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mircea_popescu: right. and i didn't say anything about this then, either. also not :)
asciilifeform: ( i won't dignify 'esata' with a mention, it is flaky in asciilifeform's experience, and not really usable on racked boxen )
diana_coman: and yes, otherwise I was thinking that a script can't be all that difficult to write for it too
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re usb1 forcing, i was thinking the proper pill might be to write a shell thing that parses output of lsusb -t and does the correct magics ; rather than modded kernel
asciilifeform: one type of existing machine where we can't afford to lose usb3 is the rockchip, it would be quite unusable without it ( main disk is solely usb3 )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'nexts' wouldn't affect the existing iron tho.
asciilifeform: ( i can't afford it on dulap, because it also doubles as reimaging station for rockchippen , but s.mg prolly can safely say goodbye to usb3 ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: on server ? can't think of any, aside from 'backups to/from external drives'
diana_coman: after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something? 2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik that's the only reliable way, usb bus numbering isn't iirc stable across boots
mircea_popescu: as in, "i checked, we don't have" or as in "we couldn't possibly have something this fucking stupid o oops there it is how the hell did it sneak in"
diana_coman: ah, that might explain why I haven't yet noticed it
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get as I recalled this "[63939.499700] pl2303 ttyUSB0: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32" but I don't see the others, hmm
diana_coman: mod6, I'd say don't worry about it; as a rule though productive people do stuff, not as if they need to "say" productively things
mod6: it never fails. answering the door just doesn't work out too well for ole mod6
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I certainly say the last line, don't recall the first 2 but I might have missed them
Mocky: whoa, haven't seen that trilema.com header before
asciilifeform: so far can't think of a third.
diana_coman: but a. WHY don't I have same trouble on any of the machines here b. WHY does it hang anyway c. wtf do I do
diana_coman: anyways, dd hangs *sometimes*, harder to pin down ; ftr I DID go and read the dd code too but I can't say I'm any wiser as to why/how it is more resilient
douchebag: Well, it wasn't neccesarily a critical vulnerability - it was just rather unique. The hall of Fame's just help for my resume
douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame ☟︎☟︎☟︎
douchebag: ben_vulpes: I understand we disagree on that, however I'm trying to make money - I don't see how hosting rockchips that are overpriced is going to generate revenue in the long term.
douchebag: Alright fellows, I know I hadn't really been contributing to the republic.
mircea_popescu: AMONG THEMSELVES, they didn't feel all that ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i'll bet you whatever you want that much like the #lisp morons failiong to realise what candi_lustt is ; so #linux-whjatever will fail to realise why #trilema doesn't have a problem, and what a voice model is, and what EXACTLY it means to be the intellectual inferior.
mod6: The one that mircea_popescu rented for douchebag doesn't expire until the 19th iirc. I'll update you on that one. Unless mircea_popescu says to nuke it ahead of time.
asciilifeform wouldn't consider , say, 1btc , for a ~sane~ scope, to be unreasonable
mircea_popescu: those don't use linux.
diana_coman: and I can't really reset that
diana_coman: sadly I don't know of any replacement to suggest, no
diana_coman: and other than the weird fact that read simply blocks randomly, I don't know
diana_coman: a bit of reading on this famous pl2303 does suggest all sorts of "hanging" issues but I haven't found anything clearly applicable so far
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I doubt it's the cables really but can't hurt to rule that out
diana_coman: at any rate, updates so far are relatively few: can't reproduce it on different machine (though I still have a few to test...); it IS easily reproduced even with dd on smg test server
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?
asciilifeform: ( naturally the imbecile kernel doesn't actually test whether something is riding on the tty prior to opening, 'why would we' )
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ahaha dadatroll; but now I see why it didn't even ring a bell at all as I probably missed the comments section there/didn't follow it
mircea_popescu: that's more of an absence, see. generally psychiatrists don't attempt to work with what the diseased mind fails to produce, but instead focus on the positive malfunctions, the productive sort. "tell me more about the little gremlins"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the astonishing bit isn't even that system5 unix had this nonsense, but that the linux derps faithfully re-created it.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system << Let me know if you want a pair of hands.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall it but sounds apt (as dr. a does wherever I read him)
phf: mircea_popescu: to be honest i didn't read into it past the roleplaying humor, but upon immediate reflection, your objection makes equally obvious sense
mircea_popescu: phf my problem is this : on one hand i'm trying, in jules' words REALLY REALLY HARD, to not be the fatass in http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-30#938314 snuffing the life out of everything ; on the other i just can't manage to distinguish the proposed "x without y" from the broad scheme that ruined western civilisation, "have wife without beating her". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: aren't i glad we tested all this.
diana_coman: basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system
phf: diana_coman: haven't had problems with usb reads, i've struggled with getting octets across ffi boundary before, which is probably what you're remembering re my work
diana_coman: anyway, let's see: you suggest I take out the init, just open and read; set it up outside and then try; can't hurt giving it a try at least
diana_coman: so far it's been driving me crazy on that particular box, haven't had it/tried it somewhere else yet
asciilifeform: diana_coman: start by making sure you don't have multiple instances reading
diana_coman: hm, now the reading of octets from FG via EuCrypt randomly gets totally stuck and I can't even quite understand *where* ; wtf; I seem to recall someone else had some similar problem but I can't seem to find it atm; ave1 ? phf ? asciilifeform ?
BingoBoingo: And I take it you don't have need for a single purpose dishwasher.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in palliation.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 14:53 asciilifeform: 'we can't get kerosene, let's use diesel' even
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838183 << and then you wanna talk about "halfway up tree". these are the people with "we can't get penis, let's use bit of plastic" right. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i for one am amused by his easy slide from "why do you like" to "why do you need". obviously i don't fucking need a waitress, yes i can have my own sluts do it for me, and on (rare!) occasion i do just that. but why the fuck would i trade slavegirl time for minwage time, for one, and why the fuck would i have to ~like~ having to do it.
asciilifeform: i dun see contradiction -- they're already with you in restaurant, neh, it isn't as if wrapping bottle will subtract from the spywork
asciilifeform: ( iirc there was a trilema where 'restaurant waiter is a kind of ersatz servant for those who can't afford own, like that jacket they keep for the occasional d00d who wanders in without jacket' )
mircea_popescu: and people who will stop traffic to pull your car out from the mud because you stopped to take pics. and in general, you don't want to fuck your neighbour specifically, the little you fuck (and it IS little, boyish fantasies notwithstanding, one competent, well trained woman can exhaust and keep exhausted a dozen or more men) can very well be imported.
mircea_popescu: intellectual sophistication to cut it as a slavegirl in my harem. i said before, "There's not who'd compete and there's not how to compete with her, it's a laughable proposition, like a samurai at a kindergarten." and yes that is after training. but all the training in the world can't help the instant kindergartner.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838175 << this is absolutely not true. after months during which i had my girls scour the place (and seeing how the population isn't all that much, i do believe they touched personally every single individual female that could perhaps be worth my consideration) the net result was epsilon. most of the bootcamp population is imported here, and for very fundamental reasons : it takes ~a lot~ of ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this isn't somalia 1-dollar-a-day level of starvation poor. costa rica is relatively economically developed, about on par with say ohio.
asciilifeform: 'we can't get kerosene, let's use diesel' even ☟︎
phf: can't burn trash and flotsam in a primus
mircea_popescu: obvious she "goes to friends for advice". what fucking friends ? what fucking "advice" ? the world hasn't worked that way in two centuries, if i want a shirt i want 1 in 1000 shirt shops, if i want a woman i talk to candidates selected through three to five passes with two to three degrees of magnitude lossage each...
BingoBoingo: Well, can't have beef with the moocows
fromloper: Anyway, didn't mean to bother you. I will go back to interacting with a more crystalized form of your mind. Adios.
fromloper: I won't mess with alternative archs like you are...at least not now
fromloper: Really I mean I wanted to make sure you weren't a guy I've got beef with on /r/lisp, because I would have to appologize.
asciilifeform: 'The term pirate radio broadcasting means the transmission of communications on spectrum frequencies between 535 to 1705 kHz or 87.7 to 108 MHz without a license issued by the Federal Communications Commission' << very peculiarly doesn't mention the rest of the spectrum
a111: Logged on 2018-07-28 16:43 mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing in particular, i'd say erryone who hasn't read http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ should prolly do that now.
mircea_popescu: poor marx, you know, and his delusions of "man liberated from the necessity of labour and then from the fetishism of market will finallty be an artist!!!". nigga say wut, take the cow's milk and hide, it goes back to being a baby, it doesn't become a philosopher.
mircea_popescu: and that it hasn't merely failed happenstantially, but that it has failed necessarily and substantially : there can not be such a thing as a herd pov of human experience, simply because herd perspectives are falsifying, and in THAT of being of the many, therefore they are false.
mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing in particular, i'd say erryone who hasn't read http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ should prolly do that now. ☟︎
asciilifeform: naively one could imagine that there's a market niche for a lappy that isn't a piece of shit. but evidently..
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 19:22 phf: hmm, cp101pa hardware is really flaky, or perhaps i got a dud unit, because the "random shutdowns" "can't wake up" "stuck in a turn on/turn off mode" issues persist
mod6: diana_coman: I was just getting to your question, I didn't miss it :]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-27 06:44 diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
mod6: Once you raised your objection, I haven't sent in the !!v yet.
mod6: I haven't even invoiced you yet.
trinque: there are a finite amount of "the interface slipped thousands of funnybux between auction and invoice" that I will eat, and I will proably eat more of them than other customers that don't know you as well
trinque: mod6: I understand there are challenges; I'm also trying to be a model customer for you, and while I generally trust you to do sensible things, $invoiceDate = rand() isn't be great for your business either.
mod6: The fact is, until we have a steady stream of usd coming in, I hesitate to put a date on it -- can only say at this time, "will do best to have them out as soon as we can after the auction". It's my fault that I didn't start invoicing right away. I mearly did not, because I thought that these were sent at the end of the month.
mod6: But who is to say that I don't get hit by a bus on AUgust 4th, and then it's not complete in time.
mircea_popescu: trinque he doesn't know when lobbes has the auction ready lol.
trinque: mod6: what auction doesn't have an end date?
mircea_popescu: wasn't discussing the instant thing, but the broader problem of wtf we do.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 01:59 mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
mircea_popescu: so don't do that. instead, see diana_coman 's theoretical work on managing this (ie http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ ) and take for instance Mocky 's very effectual style ( http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-22.log.html#t13:56:10 / http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t19:48:59 etc ). doodn's managed 27 builds of a mining bot NONE OF WHICH WORK to date and i'm
mircea_popescu: so saturday we'll be having the same discussion in the same terms, "why have you [implicitly] promised something you didn't deliver", which is just not a good way to go about things.
diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip? ☟︎
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837860 << no, I know. I can only offer the "dayjob for food steals most of my productive hours in the day" excuse here. That being said, the importance of getting this thing up isn't lost on me. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, rather changes the model from "What foundation got" to "what foundation did". i really don't see that's such a loss.
ben_vulpes: sacrifices the public verifiability of "all foundation funds in addrx" but i don't know that's so valuable; foundation addr could just be the proverbial tip hat with some change in it and the curious are directed to read statements
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you can't just you know, use the account. if you're worried about mixage have #hashtags in the invoice, then you see them in the ledger, this invoice is #foundation and whatrever.
phf: system. slime/swank doesn't do anything smarter than overriding them with own handlers, so you should be able to manually give yourself as much visibility as slime will give you.
mircea_popescu: seems to me pretty plain & evident which case is run my "i'm ugly but don't see why this means i get no voice" "#metoo" and which is not.
asciilifeform: 'You clearly perceive immutability as Bitcoin's most important aspect, but others feel that decentralisation is the more important quality ... I don't know how you expect to maintain a decentralised system when the only participants are the limited number of fruitcakes running the 0.5.4 client' << gold.
mod6: I didn't say it made sense, just that's what was done before.