asciilifeform: but facts such as 'no one is making more Actual Computer nor is anyone likely to in next century' add up to this picture imho.

asciilifeform: i don't, my oracular ball broke, i dropped it on cement.

asciilifeform: (~sane~ camelsmanship.)

asciilifeform: camel instead of mercedes.

asciilifeform: quite likely. but i dare say, they will for the most part be sane in a non-btc-directed way.

asciilifeform: 3mn hbomb owners when ?

asciilifeform: then from whence 'growth' ?

asciilifeform: i see btc as 'strategic' machine, closer to tonnes-of-au, or hydrogen bomb, or icbm sub, than to something 'to buy coffee with'.

asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu picture a planet3 with 3mn gold vaults (not pirate chest, either, but the kind with xray rig, defensive turrets, tank division) ?

asciilifeform: today, or 100y ago

asciilifeform: there are not 3mn gold vaults.

asciilifeform: nobody's making moar bitcoinatronic comps.

asciilifeform: as for 'growth', i have extreme difficulty picturing the number of users of bitcoin who have by any conceivable stretch of the imagination ~actual business using it~ going up, rather than down

asciilifeform: even earth-mars is a serious stretch, for this reason.

asciilifeform: so we will not have this problem.

asciilifeform: lamportian problems with clock.

asciilifeform: bitcoin as known today won't work on galactic scale, tho

asciilifeform: wanna pay in pennies? pay moar.

asciilifeform: consider mircea_popescu's piece where 'most folx outside of usa will make you pay extra for not paying in benjie-usd'

asciilifeform: and likewise incentivize defrag.

asciilifeform: make'em pay.

asciilifeform: presently fraggers do not pay the cost of fragging, it is strictly 'ecological', and externalized to future users.

asciilifeform: (as in the node-miner conflict, described by mircea_popescu , for instance)

asciilifeform: frag-entropy, like other systemic problems with traditional bitcoin, is simply a result of misaligned incentives.

asciilifeform: think 'earth can hold an atmosphere, but asteroid cannot'. same idea.

asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608577 << here's one crackpot method: implement 'gravitation'. analogously to physical one. i.e. an agglomeration of coin is worth ~more~ than selfsame coin in fragged form. quantifiably, in some straightforward way. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and i didn't even crib this maxim from BingoBoingo's links. it seems elementary. )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608962 << dun fuck anything you can't lift, aha ☝︎

asciilifeform: tcp over dead monkey?

asciilifeform: first time i ~ever~ see a .zw

asciilifeform: lol zimbabwe

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in barbaric times, folx often used fixed tables where expandable data structure would go today.

asciilifeform: (or perhaps let's call it PL/Ism. 'you may have 250 functions. and recurse 7 deep.' etc)

asciilifeform: not moar.

asciilifeform: less fortranism plox.

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: apparently max depth was... 3?

asciilifeform: ftr ~already~ i cannot 'reply to' ben_vulpes's last comment.

asciilifeform: but yes, check out what gets printed under nasa banner, be amazed.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: it is nao.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he cut the rockets'n'probes nasa, but fattened the warmist one

asciilifeform: nasa when.

asciilifeform: or is that still coming up

asciilifeform: did they throw the warmists from strawberry trees yet ?

asciilifeform: die, of boredom.

asciilifeform: other types of people -- they burn, there, quickly.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately meatware research ~selects~ for 'follow the motion' types. 'tis why i got out.

asciilifeform: and ~occasionally~ poison a rat.

asciilifeform: in my hole, statistize was ~all ~anybody did.

asciilifeform: maybe over in the 'social sciences' hole, this was.

asciilifeform: ~0 usa-born anybody.

asciilifeform: eh these were foreign folx, they learned to arithmetize in school, beaten with bamboo.

asciilifeform: it was in fact what i did there, fill in this strange hole .

asciilifeform: right in front of my eyes, yes, every day.

asciilifeform: this was monumentally true.

asciilifeform: 'lab nigger' (per al schwartz)

asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer') ☟︎

asciilifeform: never been one of ~those~, no.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i worked in the most abject imaginable usg pits, no one gave half a shit re 401k. maybe if mega-brass.

asciilifeform: or how i pay 3x per square metre vs. 'mortgaged' folx

asciilifeform: for instance, as chronicled here, asciilifeform's sweat to find new flat

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is however quite true that there are very real costs to rejecting the gargle.

asciilifeform: designated expendables.

asciilifeform: rats, at the very least, ~have~ sappers.

asciilifeform: the last time i 'worked with' mice, i was quite convinced that they ~knew~ what is a mousetrap. and had 'sappers'.

asciilifeform: mice are astonishingly adept at 'free' cheese-getting.

asciilifeform: even if you only ever kept a mousetrap, you will learn this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: burroughs!

asciilifeform: (is there engl. idiom version of that?)

asciilifeform: cocacyanide!1111 'совместить приятное с полезным'

asciilifeform: i'll go with the classic cyanide&wagner, tyvm

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'Colt'45 Retirement Savings Co.' ftw.

asciilifeform: but you are not a fish.

asciilifeform: accepts hook worm.

asciilifeform: fish -- yes, has brain the size of your little finger nail,

asciilifeform: but why would you accept it

asciilifeform: i dun see this 'must'.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'must bite hook, to get the free worm' ?

asciilifeform: or if obummer personally fellates you every time you put a hundy in

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it remains every bit as chumpatronic even if employer matches 1000%

asciilifeform: for it to fill.

asciilifeform: chumps still gotta drop in moneys, neh

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i read the linked piece, did not see 'free' ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: comment answrd.

asciilifeform: aramaic trilema is spiffy, recommended to all.

asciilifeform: sometimes.

asciilifeform: fwiw i frequently curl up in bed with the thing. and read. until fall asleep.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposing they ~read~ it, and not merely ~read enough to overcome the regrind barrier~

asciilifeform: it is ultimately an act of will.

asciilifeform: however it is not automatically given that by forcing folx to regrind, you make them attentively read

asciilifeform can see mircea_popescu's picture

asciilifeform: but sure.

asciilifeform: there is ~some~ win from ~some~ coupling, on account of the longest-chain/regrind thing

asciilifeform: tru.

asciilifeform: and i take off my hat, for this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he certainly spared asciilifeform from the chore of maintaining full vtron

asciilifeform: so that no one can later say 'oh so sad, reactor melted, but i had nfi, asciilifeform never barfed.'

asciilifeform: but forum exists partly to put on record, when we barf, why.

asciilifeform: i should hope that no one is discouraged from writing patch just because i barfed.