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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they walk around hard 24/7 until they meet a girl, after which they discover teenaged female needs 5-6 of them.
mircea_popescu: erection is hard and difficult and lasts but a trifle.
mircea_popescu: except on specially arranged sets catering to this particular fantasy, there's one guy in a car buying and a buncha chicks queuing.
phf: i personally know girls that charge the entire range from about 200 to 1500, they list on high end escort services, because they can pull it off, but they also list on various adultfinder variations, because that's a quick buck. i don't know what's the lowest they went for, i should ask, but this definitely doesn't work like "market forces"
asciilifeform: this is still a mega-puzzler
asciilifeform: for there being a queue 25km long, vs the fiddybux whore's 1km ?
mircea_popescu: think for a moment. she does 4 an hour.
mircea_popescu: i do not think whoring is extempt from market mechanisms. i KNOW that what you misrepresent as "market mechanisms" is pure usg ideology and has not ever SEEN a market.
mircea_popescu: fine, i'll buy you a steak.
mod6: sure, put in a bid. see if some takers. always a solid bet.
mod6: i guess i can see how a high-class georgetown hooker might charge like 1k per night or someshit, but you can just drive down to baltimore and get laid 3x for 60, and keep the change for the crack.
asciilifeform: naturalist cannot afford to treat every blade of grass as a particular!
mod6: hey, think of it this way, you can shag every work day for half a days labor + a taco
mod6: bang you for $20 + a taco
mircea_popescu: the last time a woman made 1k+ to fuck some guy, he was some engineer with a love/hate relationship with usg.
mod6: yeah, i know a walmart where you can $12 bjs behind the store
asciilifeform: unless you want to use a blindfold
phf: yes actually! it was a thing for a bit on craigslist and such. you could invite over a "chef", they cook for free, and eat with you, but you buy the groceries
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:07 phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button.
asciilifeform goes ~100km on a typical day
mircea_popescu: this because 99% of people who currently own cars shouldn't own as much as a pocket knife.
mats: the simple matter is that car ownership is, to me, a -ev prospect
mircea_popescu: mats don't ever get married ; it's like buying a cunt that sits unlubricated 99% of the time!
mats: if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle that sits unpowered 95% of the time
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 can you be persuaded to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
phf: so they have a linux kernel manage the processes, and then they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
ben_vulpes: the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows that also does all of the linux syscalls
phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year, that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just to render a button. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not a bad strategy either, it got ustards off cars.
asciilifeform: and iirc 'wayland' is one of those infuriating idiocies where 'want remote proggy? here's a DESKTOP, in a 1024x768 box' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
mircea_popescu: shinohai he has a point ; there's no other way than practice.
mircea_popescu: srsly tho, do a search for linux gaming one day, you'll fall over.
phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in the post itself he says " when searching for answers to questions that weren’t made quite clear in the documentation, often people that had the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK ☟︎
asciilifeform: instead of buying a symbolics console for the cost of a 'toyota'
asciilifeform: this was so that buyer could use, e.g., a 'sun', as a console
asciilifeform: symbolics co. sold quite a few boxes ~the only~ UI to which was x11 over the lan. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'If you want to compare MGR to the X Window System, you might consider the MGR server as something like a combination of an X server + window manager + xterm, but with xterm's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation and its DEC VT100 emulation in the same window.' << looks to me like it is of archaeological interest solely
phf: asciilifeform: http://www.hack.org/mc/mgr/ a very unixy x11 alternative, the windowing protocol is essentially escape codes back and forth
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854&cpage=1#comment-2720 << if you recall, someone did. a humorless german dude, and as a result italy gets to fraudulently claim it's a "nation" and "part of europe", rather than the arab brothel sicily was leading it towards throughout the middle ages (which, there, last until 1960 and after)
asciilifeform: they are perfectly ok with the thing being a permanent 'trading sardine' even as thieves rip out the copper pipes.
mircea_popescu: it\s a joke, this "enforcing" mechanism. consists of nothing more than me presenting a signed check to a company i own
asciilifeform: and a natural outgrowth of 'NO cheap houses, EVER'
mircea_popescu: see, if ~I~ were running the socialist state, there'd be a tax penalty and a 6 mo administrative (ie, no judge involved) jail sentence for keeping property empty a full quarter.
asciilifeform: who ever heard of a vermin thinking 'i'ma only make 8 bux but do 10,000 worth of damage, i'd better not' ?
ben_vulpes: portland is about as squatter unfriendly as i've ever seen a city.
ben_vulpes: http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
ben_vulpes: there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: often there is not a known owner
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's been 'for sale' for at least half a year actually.
ben_vulpes: or it's 2010 and someone walked on a mortgage.
ben_vulpes: or the place is a condemned dump.
ben_vulpes: turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
ben_vulpes: > house stood empty for a few months
asciilifeform: ^ house stood empty for a few months, and copper thieves stole the heat exchanger coil
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/XWDvs
shinohai sheds a tear for Yuri.
phf: i haven't but i'll add it at some point soon. didn't have a bandwidth to hack on anything non-trivial
asciilifeform: it reminds me of a dream i had once, where i was in charge of some kindergarten thing, and a ragged bum knocks on the door, outside - storms, rains, - 'quick, quick, i need to fry in your electric chair!' he gasps. i reply 'sorry, we only have a child-sized one here!' but he persists, squeezes himself in
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf didja ever make a bookmarkable log url thing ?
mircea_popescu: o, recall the guy that made a passport pic of chetty ?
asciilifeform: rname (previously unknown to the attacker) and a new password. ' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: 'Then they came to Namecheap where I have a couple of VPS servers, this account also had 2factor SMS authentication required for login. However the hacker opened up a live chat with Namecheap and requested a password reset for the SolusVM VPS panel, at which point, in a massive breach of their security protocols, they sent a plain text email to the comprised address containing both the VPS panel use
punkman: oic, guess there's a lot of different ones called curry leaves
mircea_popescu: this is just a bushy plant, helichrysum italicum
punkman: it's a full on tree iirc
mircea_popescu: yeah it's a sort of daisy apparently.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i planted something that was supposed to be "curry", which i had nfi is even a plant wtf, isn't that a spice mix ?
phf: but none is the answer to why cmucl, and i don't think there's one. mostly why not? it's a question of discipline for me, can i move slow and not freak out against deficiencies. i think that "looking for silver bullet" is just a waste of time, and there's no way that i can possibly explore entire cmucl solution space, until a whole new set of base capabilities is required
phf: there are some arguments now (and some successful projects) that solve gb/s with threads, but this whole idea that threads are a solution to gb/s ~in the compotent circles~ is a novel thing. schedulers are getting better, some patterns emerging, tooling is better etc. people coming out with "perhaps doing it with async is not best option anymore". but for years gb/s was achieved with async, reactor pattern, fork/exec
mircea_popescu: ahh this has been a pleasant convo
phf: tcp had non-blocking mode for a very long time
mircea_popescu: i thought lisp exiosts so you don't "Get a hang somewhere"
asciilifeform: lack of threads is a sure boat anchor when you get a hang somewhere.
mircea_popescu: rare to see in lispen battle, a deployment of THAT tank division.
asciilifeform: (if a lang runs on unix box and can't pthread it is a toy)
asciilifeform: cmucl won't invoke pthread and as such is not a finished product in my view.
mircea_popescu: security more a concern than disk really.
asciilifeform: save a few kb of disk !111111
asciilifeform: you can always run a tree shaker and throw out the src you never intend to use.
phf: mircea_popescu: von neumann machines are a lot more similar than dissimilar. difference between x86 and arm is a very thin layer
mircea_popescu: mk let's rephrase. if i used a non-x86 box i'd want the thing to be native for that box not an addon to x86.
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced multibox support is a good idea. if i am going to run on non-x86, i sure as fuck don't wantall the x86 stuff in there.
asciilifeform: i consider a general-purpose language without these, WORTHLESS
asciilifeform: it always struck me as a kind of 'bsd 4' - yes, 'hackable', yes, 'small', but the ~wrong kind of small~, the kind that will balloon into the same megalith as sbcl if you were to add all of the missing but necessary pieces. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 14:46 phf: by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so)
mircea_popescu: "there's this open source project which is also a game and they're really into doing a partnership with a cs dept and would you wanna talk to them ?" works neh ?
phf: by day to day i mean non-lisp stuff, but yeah, even taking that thing live revealed a lot of annoyances in cmucl (asciilifeform will say told you so) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf word. goes back to my comment re lisp and rl that nearly started a crusade :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in a meeting, bbs
phf: it gives me an opportunity to exhaustively explore technical questions, so ironically it's a more sophisticated piece of engineering than what i write for day to day
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
phf: which reminds, ben_vulpes you still need me to give you wotpaste urls? i could probably produce a daily structured dump or somesuch
phf: it is live (i.e. it's a WAL), but if someone needs to read this data at frequency, talk to me to work something out
phf: i'll shuffle things around at some point so that the folder contains pre-t-a stuff too
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
trinque: yup, I've seen a couple of those
phf: a weird deedbot crash, which seems to indicate sporadic packet delivery somehow
mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty! ☟︎☟︎
shinohai: What's he going to do, open up a fireworks trailer in Alabama?