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asciilifeform: i end up rebinding keys in hardware when possible
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:04:05; phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:02:08; phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process) ☟︎
danielpbarron: it'd using it now, you hadn't made that formal list at the time i did it
danielpbarron: is mine one of the two? The box I'm using to test trb had already been a sane gentootron
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:27:49; phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:25:18; phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
koinplug: I have been looking at mpex and I think I'm misunderstanding something
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/FAY63Ar.jpg?1
phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now ☟︎
phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed ☟︎
mod6: And beyond that, as you were saying, it didn't get oomkill'd, just kept right along going. i think you're right, we should throw a fatal exception in the event of oom.
mod6: asciilifeform: about that error I saw, thanks for your insight. I looked the other system logs to see if that was the issue, but didn't see the OOMKILL like I have before. So I was thinking it wasn't related to that somehow. Anyway, good to know.
mod6: hanbot: hmm, ok that makes some sense as far as the philosophical components. i wonder if simply an index with pointers to indexed topic wouldn't just be something worthwhile. i.e. "Discussion around MP's change requirements and keccak hash family => [LOG_URL_1] [LOG_URL_N] [...]"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was being facetious, sorry for omitted quotes.
thestringpuller: but then again I'm only connected to ascii's node right now to receive blocks
thestringpuller: i honestly don't know if I can run as true full node
thestringpuller: ah. yea. I'm running on debian jessie a core 2 duo machine (older but not super old). but everytime thing gets "up to date" it stops asking for blocks
trinque: the reason I ask is that my "stuck node" problems vanished when I left AWS.
thestringpuller: fuck. i guess I'll just add watchdog and if logs don't have `ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED` in the last 60 minutes `kill -9 <pid>; ./startrb.sh`
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 14:50:34; asciilifeform: updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about.
asciilifeform: i could even see a suspend-on-oom
asciilifeform: i still marvel at the idiocy of the existence of oom-without-oomkill
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 18:27:01; mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do.
asciilifeform: in related nyooz, i discovered that one of my test trb boxen has been wedged, without any meaningful log noise whatsoever, for ~2wks
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 17:19:23; mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt
assbot: I can't beleaf it, all for me! - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1nXI7By )
mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do. ☟︎
hanbot: so mod6 & anyone else interested in that shortlogs idea (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434765): i've been trying out two versions of shortening; one trimmed of off-topic and nontechnical commentary, the other with any relevant line/argument summarized. a possibly substantial problem i see with either of these is that the accompanying philosophical discourse, esp from mircea_popescu, is probably mandatory for comprehension, ev ☝︎
thestringpuller: asciilifeform 's stuck node phenomenon I suppose
mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt ☟︎
asciilifeform: updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yeah 'jew' means ashkenazim, the other kinds may as well be eskimos as far as i'm concerned
asciilifeform: i once met the rarest animal on planet3
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 14:32:50; mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish.
asciilifeform: i dont fuck countries..
phf: apropos, one thing that i couldn't quite grok moving to u.s., how the children of odessa expats (read isaac babel for example about jewish gangsters of odessa) turned into sniveling woody allen clones
mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish. ☟︎☟︎
phf: i'm waiting for western ashkenazim to start embracing persecution as a status symbol, kind of like how affirmative action devalued blacks in workforce, this is the opposite. was a bit of a thing in su, in some professions (anything related to mil for example) if you were known to be of jewish descent (you wouldn't be on paper, but "people talk") it was also kind of assumed that you were whicked smart to get in
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asciilifeform: now i'm curious how many actually came from it to begin with.
mircea_popescu: i hope it has the appropriate trigger warnings.
mircea_popescu: btw, apropos of nothing in particular : Nonelementary Problems in an Elementary Exposition, A & I Yaglom.
asciilifeform: l0l i think this is a record
asciilifeform: i have nfi where they go, perhaps specially designated leprosoria
mircea_popescu: perhaps i don't do enough renaissance faires / biker conventions / camping / whatever
mircea_popescu: i do not recall a single instance of a nude or nude-tolerant place where fat people voluntarily attempted to participate.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did these beached whales survive pre wikitwittereddit i'll never know.
mircea_popescu: it's seriously worth seeing just to see what i think of us "upper crust".
mircea_popescu: i surmise that would be fair.
mircea_popescu: in other news i just watched the most ridiculous idiocy ever. i'm talking "robot king kong from outer space" level here.
mircea_popescu: i guess huh.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You gotta remember at one point I was able to appreciate the sports stuff that didn't suck for a while. Now I just drink tears as it tears itself appart.
joecool: i read parts of the logs from time to time
joecool: how is everyone? been a while since i frequented here
mircea_popescu: gotta say i admire your patience with the gawker stuff.
joecool: BingoBoingo: thanks but i *could* do that if i had much to say at the moment
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/TBBvO3.jpg
asciilifeform: i ~would~ like to actually discover what the equivalence classes are.
asciilifeform: well, i originally wanted to turn it into a prime and embed as exponent !
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436289 << originally when i wrote this down some months ago on paper i had a very 'cheap fortuneteller', 4 bits ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:29:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436219 << not at all, i think it's a step in the right direction. i think it also needs more thinking/discussion, but anyway.
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 21:24:35; mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ?
asciilifeform: i change his oil and polish gears every day !
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 19:34:15; asciilifeform: in particular, i believe that satoshi's turd is an abomination and is barely fit for any use at all, and ought to be discarded as soon as a politically reliable alternative exists - but there is no way to infer this from what patches i have signed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1436219 << not at all, i think it's a step in the right direction. i think it also needs more thinking/discussion, but anyway. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: "The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch. This is a Bad Thing" << the thing with this asciilifeform is that on the surface i feel very moved by the notion ; but upon examination it seems to devolve into a sort of enumerating badness ? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:11:44; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
mircea_popescu: i already am feeling the blessings of engineeringshnu upon my humble abode.
mircea_popescu: i've just finished rewiring this set of xmas lights to work in parallel
asciilifeform: understand, i was looking for ~the~ decomposition of the hypothetical vector.
asciilifeform: in particular, i believe that satoshi's turd is an abomination and is barely fit for any use at all, and ought to be discarded as soon as a politically reliable alternative exists - but there is no way to infer this from what patches i have signed. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the problem i was trying to solve is that it remains painfully underspecified exactly ~what is communicated by the act of sealing~
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:56:27; PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings?
PeterL: how would v resolve patches with both "trust" signature by one party and "distrust" from another party? I suppose that would be another knob to turn in v settings? ☟︎
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated) ☝︎☟︎☟︎
phf: seems like we just need different signing modes, one of them being, "usenet text" or somesuch, ignores repeat whitespace, only recognizes alphanum and top row symbols, signature in the form, "in the year of our republic such and such i honorable citizen with these two primes which are my identity and my blood indicate the validity of the above text, [primes] [signature ciphertext]"
asciilifeform: i thought this was known to all?
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm lucky to be in an engineering-internet. were i in a scholarly-internet it'd be all "mp, potato comes from new world therefore everything is invalid!"
mircea_popescu: i think they were gilding things with potatoes
mircea_popescu: i had but apparently lost a degree of magnitude on the way.
mircea_popescu: actually speaking of dc motors, i wonder if you could get a hamster to wheel-power a pogo.
mircea_popescu: but i had no idea that things could pop if you use parallel! or that you could possibly need a breaker! or things.
asciilifeform: i have nfi re eu.
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: lol. I SEE WHAT WAS IMPORTANT!!1
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it upregulates to 3a i might fall over.
mircea_popescu: win. and if i add a third, what happens to the current ?
asciilifeform: i have no wordz.
mircea_popescu: you might be, i guess.
mircea_popescu: uncharitably i might also observe that other than "i say so!" "it's how it's done" "reddit would agree", relatively little actual arguments were brought, which is why the task of poking fun was so easy/the experience so frustrating.
mircea_popescu: I'm not necessarily against taking mp's lines and looking in all the folds carefully ; but it's a little silly to do this run off with what i think an angle might have been, damn everything else.
mircea_popescu: llel of how mp said "^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly." and you spent two days going on about 0 value bitcoin, then the interval hence being butthurt that there's no 0 value bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> PeterL: he suggested (i still can't tell if seriously!) to plug them in ~series~ << no dude. he said "see if your isp is willing to give you a c block / upgrade your connection. buy a coupla bridges of 32 or 64, make a high voltage rectifier thingee, and power a bunch of boxes" then you went all crazy about how series omaygerd! and i spent the rest of the interval poking fun at it. this is an exact para
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform i think his plan to fight some derps doing black magic is not to squarely ignore them, but to DO THINGS to anti-magic their magic. << Oh it's not a plan. It's noise
jurov: asciilifeform: still talked in hypotheticals, i have no indication that actually happened
BingoBoingo: <jurov> was a while to get used to it. i wonder how was BingoBoingo keeping track of his nickname when it was different every time << nicknames attach to bars. If bar isn't frequented enough "hey you" workz