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mircea_popescu: filling that thing 4 u at a time will take like a dozen fucking trips lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so you're thinking like 100 is your limit ?
asciilifeform: nor is there even the slimmest chance of getting naked bag of naked rockchips in qty approaching 300, through customs. they have to move assembled into 1us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: baggage holds 4u of machine; there is no practical way to get >24 units of rockchip into a 1u , per my reckoning
ben_vulpes: this is the "when do you start trading?" thread all over again; i'm going to have to review both in depth i think i'm thick as it didn't stick the first time.
mircea_popescu: if bitcoin starts dropping again people will be begging to buy into you, logically. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: besides, you can afford it, shockingly enough. 300 x 100 is what, 3.x btc. not the end of the world. if he actually gets it through the blocade you have an item arguably worth twice that. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you however -- you're a wolf rider not a cyclops, if you ever played heroes 3. gotta run there and hit something.
mircea_popescu: this is in general re -- the very conservative approach with expenditure seen in every other bitcoin corp is due to their having immense balance sheets and tiny forced expenditures. minigame can fucking afford to go slow on nearly ten thousand btc.
ben_vulpes: ah, is this in re the refinancing for plant buildout?
mircea_popescu: was in re "building the plant".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the logic being that you're being eaten away at the rate of what, 5% each month ? you can either wait a year and a half to die or sally forth and meet the enemy.
ben_vulpes: what are you talking about, more than any pantsuit 'big tent', you can make yourself into the kind of person who belongs here.
quadsar: i was watching l0de radio for the first time i dont really belong here
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 14:23 ascii_lander: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#336946 << ben_vulpes, imho this is starvation-level lowball. your figures do not factor in the cost of ~building out~ the plant, i.e. building new rockchiptrons.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:25 mircea_popescu: understand, if you lease these even as low as 30/mo, your occupancy jumps to... 15%, while your revenue goes to 200%.
ben_vulpes: i have seen this, and it was a mistake to not follow suit.
mircea_popescu: minigame has a similar item, whereby the fact that players bought ECu does not immediately translate to a gain for minigame. there's >100 btc's worth sloshing around in there.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350177 << well i checked it twice, changed something and then failed to check it again is what happened. so, must rework and restate.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-04 23:45 mircea_popescu: prolly should look into the concept of "unearned income". technically money you were paid for services you've not yet rendered belongs to the customers' equity line.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350180 << aah, this makes sense. a liability, effectively. so i'll hafta rework this whole thing.
lobbes: Tickerbot will also live there, once it is built. But it is great. I was up and running in no time! I dare anyone to find individualized customer on the level of Pizarro. Try it yourself and you will see immediately what I mean. They offer month-to-month if you just want to try, with discounts for quarterly payments once you feel comfortable << see? sales pitch
lobbes: So far so good. Going to slowly migrate all of my vps shit onto it.
lobbes: Anyways, I guess I'm saying I wouldn't mind trying to sell a product I actually -believe is good-
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not trying to discourage you here.
lobbes: "Ask this old lady if she wants a credit card!!" "Ugh.. I'm sure she does not need any moar credit"
lobbes: So I quit; went back to (then) stacking fruit at supermarket
lobbes: I was told I was "good at selling myself, so I should do the same for their "products"". Difference was I thought all their 'products' were useless and not needed (this was a retail bank teller job)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with giving it a try ; who knows, you discover a talent -- often people don't know they're great at X thing because of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806663 problem, all "practicians" in the field are boecks. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: first time for everything, rite.
lobbes: I would definitely be interested >> (+asciilifeform) ben_vulpes, mod6 : if lobbes is interested in selling on commission, i would like him to begin asap , with your approval
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, other than catalogue sifting, write the words for the eventual kicass page.
asciilifeform: ( afaik their world begins and ends with shitazon/vpn/etc market )
asciilifeform: sadly the tulpapeople are ultra-costsensitive crowd..
mircea_popescu: ironically, the tor tulpas should be all over this :D
asciilifeform: ( still the highest-margin product , if anybody can be persuaded to buy it..)
asciilifeform: aside from the shared hostings.
mircea_popescu: and you don't really want to turn away the first leads ; they're usually the best in that they reproduce.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you have this problem though whereby you don't actually have WHAT to sell as it stands.
asciilifeform: these things dun deliver themselves.
mircea_popescu: because nobody else can get them through customs etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly i'd start planning for the next trip. understand the simple fact of the matter : if you manage to get pizarro 300 rockchips racked, you've produced at least a coupla bitcoin's value for it.
asciilifeform: ( limited to catalogue shifting and paper design, no expenditure until board approves )
asciilifeform: ditto danielpbarron or anybody else whose hands grow from correct organ and wants to step up to this mission
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 : if lobbes is interested in selling on commission, i would like him to begin asap , with your approval
lobbes: Nice price point, plus the "host anything you want" angle
lobbes: I don't know sales, but I know heathens; I wager those rockchips will be a way easier sell than the shared hosting, for e.g.
asciilifeform: i spammed a buncha academitards, with the predictable silence as the output
mircea_popescu: nor tried to any sort of standard.
asciilifeform: so far nobody's managed to provoke any interest among heathens in fg, rented or bought or etc. , afaik
mircea_popescu: understand, if you lease these even as low as 30/mo, your occupancy jumps to... 15%, while your revenue goes to 200%.
asciilifeform: answer seems to be 29 , of last (feb) count, but 4 now installed
asciilifeform: let's see ben_vulpes's tables:
asciilifeform: this will have to be fixed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trouble is that presently nobody seems to know anything about how to sell anything whatsoever to heathens.
mircea_popescu: at least now you have a driver. you want a plan, web support, and sales people to push this. you know what you're pushing at least.
mircea_popescu: alright then.
asciilifeform: those -- look enuff like 'bag for sale to orcs in the sunday market' to trigger the light show.
asciilifeform: possibly this would extend to 2u or whatver else fits in case. the allergen is specifically 'pile of naked pcb'
asciilifeform: i.e. same mass as s.mg server. but the mounts, power supplies, internal gb ethernet switches, would have to also come.
asciilifeform: ( i had to put on a quite vigorous juggling show just to get my 6 unmolested in )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they weigh 50 grams, but would absolutely have to be carried mounted inside their mount, or customs will behead
asciilifeform: it takes usb3-anythings
asciilifeform: not inclusive of the power supply
mircea_popescu: im sorry, the what did it have, disk ? aha.
asciilifeform: selling to l1 was comparatively simple
mircea_popescu: what's a rockchip actually cost i forget ? like 30 bux + the ssd ?
asciilifeform: the heaviest question hanging so far , i think, is the heathen question
mircea_popescu: have you ever sold anything before ? the situation here isn't "no one seems to even want the last one". the situatio nis "we sold most of them"
asciilifeform: so far nobody even seems to want unit-6
mircea_popescu: if you rent them out you're made.
asciilifeform: and ~quickly~. ( asciilifeform in fact drilled, tapped the holes, the night before flight , and assembled in hotel )
mircea_popescu: if i were you folk i would very seriously be looking at geting refinanced, taking ~300 rockchips there and filling a dozen us with them. ☟︎
asciilifeform: pilot plant was built to answer the -- until then, entirely open -- q of whether anyone even wants any.
mircea_popescu: how dense can you conceivably get it to be ?
mircea_popescu: how tight were the 6 rockchips packaged ? 2 u ? 1 ?
asciilifeform: i am looking for the exact cost
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is less, this includes 2 FG
asciilifeform: well sounds ok until realize that we gotta make a qualitative breakthrough somehow in heathendom; i suspect that l1 is tapped out
asciilifeform: still digging for the mo. cost of the s.mg unit
mircea_popescu: anyway, so the story here is that you have ~12% occupancy and ~20-30% revenue ?
asciilifeform: i gotta fix this
asciilifeform: s.mg rents rather than owns box, and pays for this
asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure my figure is slightly moar pessimistic than the reality
mircea_popescu: then the 1.1k figure can't be right. 4 x 140 + how many fgs are rented out, at least 4 ? + s.mg box + rockchips hm... seems your true recurrent revenue is more like 2k
asciilifeform: again i will let ben_vulpes confirm the accuracy of my count.
asciilifeform: s.mg, s.nsa, mod6, trinque
mircea_popescu: you have more than 2 ?
asciilifeform: i mean, total # of colo subscribers existing presently
mircea_popescu: then there's the s.nsa box which is just 1 colo
mircea_popescu: box only has 2 fgs ; 1 colo spot ; box rental itself is the rest.
asciilifeform: i counted 4 colo people in ben_vulpes first table
mircea_popescu: well, eg the s.mg box, like your largest income driver, isn't in there ?
asciilifeform: ( if one sets middle col to all 0 )
asciilifeform: but it seems to match his outputs in the degenerate cases.
mircea_popescu: so basically this is the recurring revenue table ?
asciilifeform: derived from ben_vulpes table
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: feel free to copy this item onto piz www if you think it merits.
asciilifeform: the param 'target' and the params in leftmost and center columns, are editable, will trigger recalc of equation