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mircea_popescu: i basically hope we keep losing it. seems the more indermeddling, the stronger the republic. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know, last time we relocated phuctor there were significant gains. this time, even more significant.
asciilifeform: it is in the conveyor, along with 'where from?' stat in 'factor/123' page (e.g. 'debian collection', 'cisco', etc) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe time to add "factors of a single modulus" stat to stat page ?
asciilifeform: good q tho. i was waiting for somebody to ask.
mircea_popescu: right you are ; i was missing that particular edge of braindamage from my mental model.
asciilifeform: ( as to how we break a modulus without it sharing any factors with other known moduli: see logs re debianization )
asciilifeform: and are not reported under 'Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli' stat.
asciilifeform: most of them however are factors of only 1 modulus.
mircea_popescu: and so the status page is way behind ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there in fact are currently 5182 known factors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't take my meaning. there can't be at the same time the case that a) "the cardinal of the set of factors is 259" and b) "419 in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 denotes the 419th factor". because if you have a 419th factor, howsoever serialized, the cardinal of the set of factors must be at least 419.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 00:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point
asciilifeform: difference is, now it does not grind to a halt, from this treatment, O(n log n) fetches.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 07:25 mircea_popescu: (in other lulz, google fully indexes it, like say https://www.google.com/search?q=185.68.228.74 or w/e random ip from the reported list).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810407 << it indexes it in ~realtime , it plus a whole buncha crawlers that have namestrings that dun correspond to anything findable publicly, i suspect the usual suspects, when ipbanned they come back ~immediately from somewhere else ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 06:56 mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two.
asciilifeform: i'ma need to put this in faq, really
asciilifeform: 2) if mod / oneknownfactor is prime, we get the other kind, also a just-that-modulus factor
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 07:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810406 << there are two types of factor that are factors of ~solely one~ modulus: 1) debianistic ( and other 'special collection' ones, i'ma make it mark them in the factor page soon) , and, ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is when 50%+1 of all energy production goes to mining ; there's absolutely no space for "alternate" coins other than an expensive luxury early on.
fromdeedbot: most "tokenized" use cases are not interested in building their own chain
fromdeedbot: yeah too many forks not enough steak
mircea_popescu: except with handpuppets and blockchains. but otherwise, same thing.
mircea_popescu: "bch". that thing where some busker in san francisco declared himself "emperor of america".
mircea_popescu: so then you know nobody took the bitcoin crash lulz seriously.
fromdeedbot: I started reding the logs here in NOV.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if your internet access is primarily via web, the channel's logged ; the logs are more reliable than your ad-hoc wwwapp will be. see http://btcbase.org/log http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today
fromdeedbot: what do you guys think of apps being built on BCH?
fromdeedbot: I'll google that
fromdeedbot: copy that
mircea_popescu: mkay. don't do the join/part thing, it pisses people off.
fromdeedbot: hey guys so I did register my RSA key to deedbot as "fromdeedbot" but i got it working. I'm learning a lot of things are new to me right now so please xcuse me ahead of time if i do something in bad from, it's not on purpose
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz, google fully indexes it, like say https://www.google.com/search?q=185.68.228.74 or w/e random ip from the reported list). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/380 << this incidentally is a great addition.
mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 2.5 haitis to the btc sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin's natural value is somewhere in between 150% and 300% or so of the M3. so yes, i see bitcoin price exceeding the aggregate cash value of most countries.
mircea_popescu: mother[m], but they'd get very superficial samples neh ?
mother[m]: With Nadex, you're trading binary options and it's at market-set prices. Which is more than what I can say for quotes from Deribit for example. I agree on that about the bitcoin price signal. Do you see BTC trading to or past its highs this year?
ben_vulpes: what's the sampler-system design, i mean
ben_vulpes: what does the sample-taking equipment look like?
mother[m]: mircea_popsecu definitely not ultrasound machinery. Two ways. One is you have drones on surveillance flights. What it does provide you is a lot of high-res overlapping imagery you can generate aerial footage and 3d models of. You can combine this with other seismic and geotech surveys taken. Another way is that you have drones able to retrieve samples on-site, leaving a surveyors role more on analysis. The cost reductions
asciilifeform: ssl crapola scan is useful also to distinguish the brokenssh boxes from one another ( as i did since the orig scan, e.g. mikrotik )
mircea_popescu: anyway, re hunt, i can't imagine why one'd just do either ssl or ssh. gotta do both really at the same time, why not.
asciilifeform: plz go ahead, i muchly enjoyed the last coupla phuctortrilemas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, ima try an' write this up after the two weeks. unless you want to ?
mircea_popescu: let's leave some crumbs for the archival : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i suppose the fact of the matter is, as keys get added the likeliness of broken moduli staying secret drops... which may account for the seeming density increase.
asciilifeform: takes a day or 2 to grab a snapshot of sks. another day to cut it. then swallows in 1-2d
mircea_popescu: exciting times.
mircea_popescu: factors 236 << check that out! it practically doubled it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you mean a fresh sks dump ? are we running a server or how did that go ?
mircea_popescu: funny how the "journalists" with "interests" are all covering the various broken ssh keys in the wild.
asciilifeform: then time for new Framedragger-style hunt. or ssl hunt.
mircea_popescu: aha. so this is covered for what, about 2 weeks (tm) ?
mircea_popescu: ie, the factors set changed significantly enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, i suppose after the jurov set is also fed a new fermatting is in order ? considering there's a lot of new numbers to play with.
asciilifeform: takes about 70GB of ram to run.
mircea_popescu: apparently the republic has nsa hardware!!1
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that between 4th of may and 6th of may it churned ~2mn moduli and cracked 76 is, in the terms, context and for the mind of us limp dick "researchers" nothing short of staggering.
asciilifeform: whoknows what's in there.
mircea_popescu: is this coincidental ?
mircea_popescu: much more productive in terms of new-factors density, huh.
mircea_popescu: tis what i thought.
ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i thought you were discreetly suggesting not to try.
mircea_popescu: aaand in "readers meet trilema, an ancient story" retrospective lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/#comment-119601
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was asking him not speaking to my own knowledge
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 23:03 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/wife-initiated-pantsuit-code-of-conduct-hypocrisy-leads-to-llvm-developer-departure/ << Qntra - Wife Initiated Pantsuit Code Of Conduct Hypocrisy Leads To LLVM Developer Departure
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810322 << this is goodforbitcoin (tm)(r) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 22:01 ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810312 << the pilot plant rockchips will sync up to, idk, late 2014, then the 128G disk will fill. ben_vulpes oughta know this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:52 mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
asciilifeform: today it would prolly not be worth cost of transport, even if one found it at a junkyard
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:48 mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810283 << thinking about this again, i suspect that the age of '1kw miner in half a rack' ended some time in 2013-14 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 17:00 mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810275 << it often bothers asciilifeform that we ~use~ the magic numbers erry time we trade usd etc. but i've nothing to propose to replace this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 16:47 mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 13:44 mother[m]: Going forward I wanted to pivot to Keybase Teams.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810259 << holy fuq, i had nfi that particular scamola were still going strong ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( 1000000/shots/key fermat took ~3day and found nuffin new )
mod6: lobbes: great job on getting trb going, and on tying up all the ends so if anyone hits that same problem again!
mircea_popescu: apparently usg came to terms with llvm failing in its strategic goals being unavoidable by now.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/wife-initiated-pantsuit-code-of-conduct-hypocrisy-leads-to-llvm-developer-departure/ << Qntra - Wife Initiated Pantsuit Code Of Conduct Hypocrisy Leads To LLVM Developer Departure ☟︎
lobbes: hdd only, but I got the aggressive patch applied, so will see if it can hack it
lobbes: 25 bezzlebucks a month. Some dc in Kansas or something to that effect
ben_vulpes: gotcha; what are their rates?
lobbes: I will soon blog this into a proper post.. but mysql on heathen vps shit the bed. Posts to resume once migration to rockchip box complete
lobbes: in other news, I have a trb node up now and eating blocks (thanks to mod6 for all his troubleshooting efforts, and asciilifeform for confirmation of suspicions)
mircea_popescu: "For as long as there is even one, all the others have died in vain. And once there's not a single one left, they had never existed altogether in the first place."
mircea_popescu: cuz it's never dark, from inside. the amusing situation of classical eschatology is that lucifer simply forked the chain, and as best can tell is a very credible and not at all falen angel. ☟︎
lobbes: 't see the dark age from inside
lobbes: "nothing else outside of the empire's walls. this is it", so can do "anything" within that reality, which reduces to "nothing of import". But still, can
mircea_popescu: "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" aka http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ aka "pantsuit is only sovereign"