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wywialm: i'm familiar in general on his views on not having a liquid market available, but cannot recall the quote
wywialm: i haven't yet got the hang of deedbot voicing
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448483 << I said the same thing in the other chan a few hours earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2016#1443837 ☝︎☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i get basic auth request too
mats: upon arrival at http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-auction-a-winrar-is-znort987 i am greeted with auth dialog and 'The server says: Fuck you..'
ben_vulpes: mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy. ☟︎
phf: i've been getting a lot of not founds to those urls, so hopefully some of the bots are now going to be satisfied
mthreat: jeez i take a little trip and there's a revolution
mod6: i understand that he realized many cipher text messages were signed with "HH" at the end.
mircea_popescu: but i imagine davout has been taking notes on how to do this ; and for sure a good question in any future receiver selection will be "what have you learned from bitbet liquidation process"
mod6: i mean, did that happen?
danielpbarron: i'm not convinced putting so much signed material out there was even the right way to have done that..
mod6: maybe i was smoking crack. got him a bit confused with pascal and the war, and the accounting bit
mod6: ah yeah, i read about all of this recently because of our discussions lately.
asciilifeform: (which i always for some reason picture as something like a guillotine!11 but it was a calculator.)
BingoBoingo: davout: Now it should be fixed, but I do not see anything wrong with hyperlink extending to trailing space.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I am tentatively adding the t as per davout's announcement
davout: mircea_popescu: lemme check all that tomorrow when i'm fully woken up :D
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, that's weird, i guess i goes by both ?
davout: BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/sWmXWPr.png
BingoBoingo: davout: I am not seeing extra spaces in there
mircea_popescu: davout to try and get a final settlement here, i owe you 199.45006789, add to which 13.37 ; you owe me 86 for to be distributed to the shareholders, add to which 4.83378422 from the hotwallet, add to which 3.35043347 (335.04334737×.01), comes to 118.63585027 altogether. that sound right ? winner pay you yet ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: davout: fxd'd I think?
mod6: mircea_popescu: ooh. huh. no wonder i didn't see it.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448228 <<< sorry! i have to admit i was slightly disappointed to see you didn't take bb home ☝︎
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448250 <<< i just did, ty! ☝︎
pete_dushenski: not like i wasn't planning how i'd overcome this retardation if i was going to be handling >100 txen per mo, but hey, someone else's problem now i guess
mod6: pete_dushenski: hey I did get your message about the weird balance thing. i've seen that myself too.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes i can see why you like that shelbyllet : it's aircraft meets muscle car. and wouldja check out that inboard/pushrod suspension! mega-nifty. largely unseen on street cars outside lambo aventador ($500k) and, of course, pagani ($1mn+++)
mod6: i want math machine
hanbot: didn't i see some pic or other of moscow's main freeway, >15 lanes, absolutely gridlocked?
asciilifeform: and when i get small voltage dip and call repair truck, it shows up in 40 min.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you say this, but i've never seen fireballs emerging from the asphalt.
BingoBoingo: So, I drove by well over a million dollars in ruined construction equipment this morning.
hanbot: i thought it's some sort of leave yer shit in our kiosk and we'll sell it sorta deal
asciilifeform: right here they are, i imagine, holding up reagan
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i'm in awe of what ustardia can do to people. << PUBLISHING!!!
asciilifeform: it is a lulzy reversal, actually, normally it is i who 'none of these apparent X are true X'
mircea_popescu: a similar cognitive process would be to say : a) i don't fuck bricks ; b) another exists ; c) therefore, another fucks bricks.
asciilifeform: ah i see what mircea_popescu meant re gold etc.
asciilifeform: i suspect even my arse has owner, somewhere in a filing cabinet some parasite has title to it.
asciilifeform: every sidewalk tile i step on has owner.
asciilifeform: which is why i fundamentally cannot hate rms, say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know the history of how it ended up in. i'm just saying, it really is pretty stupid, useless and wtf already.
mircea_popescu: i'm in awe of what ustardia can do to people.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated but omfg i can't believe this - cascadia dwelling derpy mother of slavegirl that wants to think of self as "fiber artist" but otherwise crochets like any old woman since time immemorial, landed what to her appears as a very good deal. she sells her stuff in a senior citizen center gift shop. for a 15% comission. to understand each other : she provides the merchandise. she provides the sales workforce. sh
asciilifeform: i dug out the 1-bit cpu because i have a weakness for exotic archs that might be amenable to optical or otherwise 'this handful of switching elements' incarnation.
mircea_popescu: i'm unpersuaded. yes the breadbox is neither arbitrary nor undefined in the bug discussion. here however, no such benefit. there is no "size".
asciilifeform: (personally i favour the... trit)
asciilifeform: i turned one up !
phf: so i don't read hackernews or reddit, they are mentioned here a lot though, so i decided to check if a sale of bitcoin company for 86BTC (damn) is going to get mentioned anywhere. nope. nada.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43090
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43091
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/#comment-43089
pete_dushenski: heh fr.anco.is shows pingbacks in 'recent comments'. i'll take the free advertising.
pete_dushenski: ^updated. realised i'd left the calculated p/e in months rather than the standard years.
deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] That time I let outright ownership of BitBet slip through my fingers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/07/that-time-i-let-outright-ownership-of-bitbet-slip-through-my-fingers/
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell davout don't scare-excite me like that next time! (wait, what next time?) also, i wanted to show up here, but couldn't quite meditate and irc atst ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, re earlier discussion, i guess it'd be worth belabouring the point that nothing therein contained is an argument against using ada. it's still a great technical solution, for bounds checking, for other reasons, it's still a great practical solution, for native linkability with c object code, for other reasons. same stands for scheme, still best option for a scripting language for bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: lol i guess you're gonna buy a new car with the btc thus saved ?
mircea_popescu: i'd expect today/tomorrow.
idioter: hello. i made a withdrawal on coinbr.com from mpex about 4 days ago. i have been told i need to talk to mircea popescu about it.
asciilifeform: program that behaves sanely for all time so long as the iron holds up, is a reality. i write'em.
phf: about 2 minutes round time, yeah that's what i'm getting just doing an aggressive reconnect. note that there's possibly a lack of log visibility few seconds before it "quit"
phf: i feel like i have some code laying around to do comparison, but won't have wandwidth for a bit
mircea_popescu: btw phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447752 is actuallyt trivially checked, i have the logs of when it dc'd. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i am left without a solid basis to protest the use of magic numbers in code ;/
phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is, i think, how mircea_popescu uses bitcoin, for instance.
phf: (that's one of the reasons i thought one of the more effective ways of organizing computer human interaction is have an equivalent of dune mentat backed by a computer, i.e. an advisor to decision makers who performs computation and analysis. something like that existed at the height of apl, and i know a handful of now old apl-ers who sat on boards and were responsible almost exclusively for "running the numbers")
mircea_popescu: when i say "therefore - we should all eat an onion" you can bring that obhection
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that i am proposing no action.
mircea_popescu: so yea, i would say this is very much equivalent. we CAN'T actually make computer systems. and every time we try to make a larger one, we're stuck re-calculating a sort of "pi"
mircea_popescu: i agree the crisis may only be in my head, but in point of fact i'm getting a whole paradigm reallignment thing, slightly queasy atm.
mircea_popescu: let's work a simple example. suppose the case is that your machine is required to behave coherently with the rule that " among even numbers 2 - 8 is as much of a range as 1-4 is among natural numbers". the MOMENT your solution to this was "simple, just take $i*2", you have in fact c'd it.
jurov: btw, i doubt continuum can be grokked by humas, either
mircea_popescu: it's well established for ~3 centuries now, i kinda feel like leibniz already.
phf: i don't understand why the point mircea_popescu would be so controversial among compscis here, it's sort of the whole point of numerical analysis
asciilifeform: from where comes this imaginary problem, i dun see it
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand.
mircea_popescu: but in the end, i say this : the difference between 20999999.9769 and 21000000.0000 is the unpayable change. point of fact remains that we can't escape this situation where we draw one thing, and the machine pops up another thing.
asciilifeform: where i can specify EXACTLY how the bits lay down
mircea_popescu: i picked it as a point because of the "abstract number" thing, ie, redefine 4.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear what is 'fundamentally c'
mircea_popescu: so yes, i can understand WHY you'd like it, think you need it, see it as best or better.
asciilifeform: point being that i can define, e.g., a 48-bit mantissa and 11-bit exponent, and USE THIS and ada will behave sanely.
asciilifeform: what i'm saying is that operating on machine integers when you really mean something quite else, is braindamaged
asciilifeform: <+mircea_popescu> so this is what i mean by "it's a c" : whatever the
asciilifeform: and i am NOT interested in further hacking on cpp turd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja grok what i'm talking about ?
mircea_popescu: so this is what i mean by "it's a c" : whatever the fuck you do, it's still going to be an ugly hack where you "can't define this" but nevertheless define THAT, which is just as broken.
phf: asciilifeform: recall that i spent probably most time here on tinyscheme going as far as writing swank integration and unreleased bignums, i'm saying that you go through phases of "this is how we solve bitcoin". i grok the value of ada, and i grok the value of scheme, but neither are alternative-less. in fact with the amount of skill available, simply hacking on btc consistently we would've been further along
asciilifeform: i just don't see ANY practical alternative to it
asciilifeform: phf: actually i don't much enjoy ada
mircea_popescu: mk, we have to [re]do that discussion in depth, i guess.
mircea_popescu: so i don't have to point out to you that yes it is, "even" "mod" etc.
mircea_popescu: wouldja let go of that and look where i'm saying!
jurov: i had to mark almost *everything* by "yes compute this now, not leave it to later"
asciilifeform: jurov: unlimited memory, instantaneous movement of data, magical i/o...
PeterL: firefox used to be the best, now it just feels slow and clunky when I try to use it