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BingoBoingo: Parents these days http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/08/skool-nerse-time.html
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BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin
asciilifeform: http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/procrustean-rashomon << mega-lol re: ferguson affair
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contrapumpkin: thanks :)
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd watch or at least read recaps of that show.
BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a1912bf8cef45942af86faaf0bd9ffc9/tumblr_n85bixmkxt1t5fphqo2_500.gif
ThickAsThieves: <+kakobrekla> anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg /// the streaking? i assumed it's a laser printer, you may have an expired head, or rollers/head are dirty. If you mean that most of the print is missing on the new one, well it could be a major malfunction, bad head. If you mean the dusting on the white area, you may have toner in your
ThickAsThieves: parts and the inside of the printer needs to be cleaned. That's off the top of my head.
BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/87dbddb8a655fdcaa8603cbc22728b9d/tumblr_n85bixmkxt1t5fphqo3_500.gif
ThickAsThieves: nice
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves both prints should be all black
ThickAsThieves: have you tried a different head?
ThickAsThieves: if it's new it shouldn't need one...
kakobrekla: i have done 50 prints on it or so
kakobrekla: but i cant change the head even if i change the toner
ThickAsThieves: can you change the distance of the paper?
ThickAsThieves: all the dusting is also a problem
ThickAsThieves: probably just busted
kakobrekla: i guess so, doesnt seem to be a common problem
ThickAsThieves: is it the same paper?
kakobrekla: yup
kakobrekla: tried 3 different ones really.
ThickAsThieves: did you clean it at all?
BingoBoingo: http://38.media.tumblr.com/d3e13bd3eac0877f24791fc4ab95f890/tumblr_n5v7qqjeVF1rc7zl1o2_400.gif
ThickAsThieves: they are electrostatic, so if you use the wrong stuff on rollers or such itll fuck up shit
kakobrekla: electrostatic what?
BingoBoingo: http://33.media.tumblr.com/d3c2c22073f3fe29ca40f1814ea2877f/tumblr_n4glz0IOR51qax99wo2_500.jpg
ThickAsThieves: the paper has a coating that accepts charge, the head delivers it in the print pattern, the paper is run over toner and it sticks, then it is melted on, if any full-contact parts were cleaned and have residue, they will disrupt the process
ThickAsThieves: though a hard stop like you show would be a separate problem probably
BingoBoingo: I refuse to consider them proper "laser" printers until they work because the laser burns its message
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
ThickAsThieves: i used to work on cart sized ESTATS, they were like industrial machine verisons of xerox uses for dye sublimation transfer plotting
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BingoBoingo: http://media.tumblr.com/a10a1980b62673f60ed27f88ccbebed6/tumblr_inline_mku619sgkc1qz4rgp.gif << Baby Polar bear being tickled
ThickAsThieves: needed to be calibrated and cleaned multiple times per day
ThickAsThieves: theyd break once a month
ThickAsThieves: laser printers are mostly shit in that regard
BingoBoingo: http://lexi-the-corgi.tumblr.com/image/81452424299
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BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
BingoBoingo: Hello
youtubetard: Says I have been voiced for 30 minutes? Still learning here.
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: Yeah
BingoBoingo: if you need more time just pm someone
BingoBoingo: as long as you act like a human being generally people are happy to voice you until you establish youself in the WoT and can voice yourself
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: So what is it you do?
youtubetard: ahh ok ok. Makes sense. I am reading up more so I don't come off as a troll lol
youtubetard: reading up more on WoT that is.
youtubetard: I work with Bitcoin and enjoy working with technology. I've done mostly consulting which is more or less just educating certain individuals and businesses on BTC, what it is, how it works, and why they should get some
youtubetard: What about yourself?
BingoBoingo: Well, I read a lot and sometime people ask me to do things.
BingoBoingo: I guess sometimes I "consult"
BingoBoingo: I also blag
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/18/regulation-of-magic/
assbot: Regulation of Magic | Bingo Blog
youtubetard: haha good answer.
BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that.
youtubetard: haha very nice. Bitcoin has opened a whole new world to basically anyone will to learn/understand it
youtubetard: which is amazing if you really think about it
BingoBoingo: Indeed, so when did you get started?
youtubetard: I built and fiddled with various electronics when I was very little...leading to me building a computer. Came to a better understanding of real money and stable currencies, discovered bitcoin in 2010. and have pursued it ever since
youtubetard: with continued education of course
The20YearIRCloud: tada
The20YearIRCloud: I think we (Rentalstarter) will be having another webinar type thing September the 1st
BingoBoingo: Ah, even though ~2010 was when I first started reading on it, fucking library school. Wasn't until very late 2012 I started playing with it more seriously and 2013 that I started seeking introductions.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: What sort of webinar?
youtubetard: ah, it does take time...BTC was deff sketch at first, but that's more so if you're used to seeing things from a consumer/comercial stand point
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: going over company financials, forecasting, where the company is headed in the short term
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ah
BingoBoingo: youtubetard: See my mistake was I imagined myself poor when I could have seized upon something powerful at the time... But instead dreams of librarian jobs danced in my head.
BingoBoingo: And I've always wanted to be an Emperor, or at least a lesser Lord of the Manor much more than I've wanted to be a librarian.
BingoBoingo: Alea Icta Est.
The20YearIRCloud: maybe some day you can start your own empire in a 3rd world country
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Why not in the remains of a "superpower"
The20YearIRCloud: i think that'd be too expensive
BingoBoingo: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/50e856c99a5ffd1de17fb854d7a3c0fc/tumblr_ms2czuAu8e1rstnrzo1_500.jpg
youtubetard: ^prices fluctuate. Just gotta position yourself...becoming a religious leader helps
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Maybe if you plan to camp out there through all the intermediate steps
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
The20YearIRCloud: Eh, gdp between 2nd world and 3rd world is huge, much easier to pay some PMCs and take over a african despot than say kazachstan
BingoBoingo: GDP is a lie
The20YearIRCloud: Then let's say manpower * arms in inventory
youtubetard: There are a lot of factors involved.
BingoBoingo: Right, you could be the motherfucker who has the bomb and an acute shortage of lithium citrate syrup USP
youtubetard: lol very true
youtubetard: but, micro-states are on the rise no doubt.
youtubetard: especially with the use of crypto tech such as btc and being able to generate more free flowing economies
The20YearIRCloud: There are some pretty good candidate areas for micro countries if yo ucould break away effectively
BingoBoingo: Florisant Missouri being a prime example
BingoBoingo: The olds might forgive his neglect, but the youth are always going to think Obama's an Uncle Tom
youtubetard: lol
youtubetard: yea...Quebec will hopefully demonstrate a peaceful and constructive seccesion
youtubetard: although with the rate of bankrupt nations...it shouldn't be too difficult
The20YearIRCloud: is quebec gonna cede again?
The20YearIRCloud: along with scotland , NI and flanders?
youtubetard: one can only hope.
youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success
BingoBoingo: The weird thing is an independent Flanders is probably going to be more capable of keeping ISIS at bay than the combined efforts of the US and UK ever could
youtubetard: oh yea, I agree. If anything ISIS has seen the success of the TaliBann in creating a "Day the Mouse roared" scenario. The US continues to bleed and become bankrupt whilst attempting to maintain "stability" in a non-stabile enviorment
xmj: hm
xmj: gentlemen, I need your opinion on something.
youtubetard: shoot
xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey?
youtubetard: great question. I don't see europe being safe honestly. While Monaco and other principalities are entering their golden age...the time to be there is now...not in 5 years +
youtubetard: but that's my opinion. Prices are high there, so I can't see a benefit financially
BingoBoingo: xmj: What about Serbia?
xmj: define 'safe'
BingoBoingo: xmj: Or Transndstria?
xmj: BingoBoingo: nah. Ukraine
BingoBoingo: Fuck that.
xmj: and yes, if Russia doesn't invade Ukraine is another option on the table.
The20YearIRCloud: I like singapore
xmj: BingoBoingo: You haven't been there. You haven't seen Ukrainian women on the streets.
xmj: ...or have you?
The20YearIRCloud: Poland is making alot of good choices
BingoBoingo: Ukraine is going to suffer full Russian invasion or not
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: Poland also has a catholic population, which is fucking annoying.
youtubetard: Russia is a good buy imo
xmj: Twenty-somethings going to church _every sunday_.
The20YearIRCloud: I'd be more worried about making the right decisions as a state than religious preferences
youtubetard: it will have cheep prices compared
The20YearIRCloud: uruguay seems to be a really good choice if they continue on
BingoBoingo: Russian is... interesting
xmj: meh
xmj: let's assume I want to something in the West. Which is either Anglo-Saxon, or Germanic.
BingoBoingo: But what if you love her ? What if you love what she’s doing to you, not necessarily for what it is but for it being her doing ? Maybe you even hate it for what it is, on some level, but because she’s doing it you love it anyway. Years later I read in a learned article that that’s exactly how women love, not for the thing but for its meaning, and I was enlightened. That’s what they mean by the meaning of things, do they ?
BingoBoingo: Well shit.
xmj: with low taxes.
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
The20YearIRCloud: If the US ever de-federalized, many would be in for a treat
xmj: de-federalized? you mean, proper central state, not just a fake one?
xmj: fake - in all but law
The20YearIRCloud: Meaning the federal goverment went back to the original role of only planning national defense and nothing else
The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess
BingoBoingo: This latest trilema MP put out is quite the read
youtubetard: lol very true...the fed is just spiraling into the darkness
xmj: ah
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: of course
xmj: I thought you meant the other way round
The20YearIRCloud: But state budgets, control, state/house makup, they're run well
xmj: well, they have no one to bail them out (cf Californian default)
The20YearIRCloud: Ohio is a prime example, in the past 10 years we've finally got a group in the house that knows what they're doing and are repealing a bunch of dumb laws
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Ohio might suffer the most from reduced Federal dependence...
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: the funny thing is:
The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode
BingoBoingo: Oh, Illinois would split
xmj: US-american libertarians think they can fix the flaws of the Constitution by reverting to it.
BingoBoingo: Where, is to be determined
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , they'd cut cook county off :D
BingoBoingo: Oh, most of the stuff sround there too.
youtubetard: still...smaller limited govmints where authority tends to be inhereted to the local inhabitants tends to be more stable....at least history tells us so
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, but cook county would be a start
youtubetard: lololol constitution caused most of all the issues we have today
BingoBoingo: Split could run as far south as I-64 and I'd be happy
The20YearIRCloud: The problem wasn't the constitution, it was that people thought things weren't clear and decided they could deviate
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xmj: youtubetard: you cannot credibly limit a government's authority
youtubetard: Russia I think will offer some great opportunities soon enough.
youtubetard: Correct. I fully agree
xmj: read Rousseau's Contract Social
The20YearIRCloud: i think russia could be quite interesting, but i also worry there's an equal chance they'll decided to go back to soviet era stupidity
BingoBoingo: Missouri would go back to the good old days of Quantrill and burn everything Kansas loves
youtubetard: but I also don't think humans will abandon goverments nor fiat anytime soon...think about human nature...only technology can really better the opportunities
youtubetard: yea...Putin seems to be very fond of the ole days
BingoBoingo: The US, India, Russia, and China all seem to have size related hazards
youtubetard: size as in geo+ population
youtubetard: ?
The20YearIRCloud: what do you mean with size related hazzard?
youtubetard: anyone familiar with Satoshis law?
xmj: what's worse about russia is, they don't seem to go back to russian era but to Tsarist era
xmj: just without any Romanov on top of the state.
The20YearIRCloud: that's where china is
xmj: china doesn't have a Tsar ?
The20YearIRCloud: essentially a somewhat less corrupt version of nationalist china, minus warlords too
BingoBoingo: Size as in population + walk to the next border
youtubetard: hmmm
youtubetard: I think they'll end up fracturing quite a bit
mircea_popescu: ahh juicy logs!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: juicy Trilema
mircea_popescu: i try.
BingoBoingo: !up youtubetard
youtubetard: all hail the assbot
youtubetard: brb
BingoBoingo exercises restraint this time, waits to do a sober read through before publishing piece on NYDFS extending their orders for the quaranteen of New York
mircea_popescu: mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log! << yeah srsly.
BingoBoingo: After that post where I buried any point I was trying to make under three really fucking chewey sentences
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this ebola ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which thing?
mircea_popescu: quarantine
BingoBoingo: No, I'm talking about Bitcoin simply writing off New York
mircea_popescu: oh.
BingoBoingo: Sure New Yorkers will Bitcoin, some might do it well, but... They won't do it under the Grand Wizard McNerdalot of the NYDFS's rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson << gotta love the ambiguity in a functioning market.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood, so some guy in new york likes to write bitcoin fanfic. so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: whatever floats anyone's boat.
BingoBoingo: Fanfic is fanfic until Disney buys out Lucasfilm and they promise a feature film every year.
mircea_popescu: in this particular case, fanfic stays fanific. there's no disney to buy, no lucasfilm to buy and nothing to buy it with.
mircea_popescu: jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot << dots are hard.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me! << welcome
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22i768/raiffeisen_bank_international_internal_memo/ << lolz.
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mircea_popescu: teh lines do get drawn. for their safety.
BingoBoingo: lol, I can't believe I'm still snacking on Dates. Why the fuck did I buy so many dates?
mircea_popescu: dates rock.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, go great with Gin and Tonics
BingoBoingo: %p
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber) << yes.
mircea_popescu: also the extant memoirs of the various valide sultanas over the years.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is <<< ahahah good one.
mircea_popescu: total asshole, that guy, isn't he.
mircea_popescu: punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish << i'd definitely mow him down. fucking biking hipsters.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow << are the chicks mensturating and defecating on some sort of holy black flag ?
mircea_popescu: %d
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mircea_popescu: look at that, maybe it'll live.
mircea_popescu: !up bats_cd03
mircea_popescu: why'd you evolve from mats to bats anyway ?
bats_cd03: ya isis flag
mircea_popescu: !up abathingape
abathingape: hmmm
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 not bad. pity they didn't have bitcoin addy on tits.
bats_cd03: all i want is to fit in with da cool kids
mircea_popescu: me too!
bats_cd03: whats great is you can tell they've seen some shit, and those weapons ain't for show
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abathingape: oops wrong chat durp
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Basically ever since 2004 when I bought a computer I've been waiting for an opportunity to use GPG and... Bitcoin afforded that. << a happy fate.
bats_cd03: some hajjis r gonna be mad when they find out there are women cumming to kill them and take their virgins
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 and take THEM as virgins
mircea_popescu: which they are, right ? back there ?
mircea_popescu: abathingape and on what chan was that supposed to belong ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know right
bats_cd03: (some hajjis believe you can't ascend to heaven if a woman kills you)
mircea_popescu: ;;google la petite mort
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abathingape: #bitcointraders of course
bats_cd03: yeah definitely. young male virgins looove war.
bats_cd03: no holds barred? work for free.
mircea_popescu: youtubetard: more complexity is the nature of all things in the long term. So the rise of many many many micro states is very likely. People see Liechtenstein's success << this is actually a solid point, as unexpected and tenuous as it may seem.
mircea_popescu: from a macro perspective the average state size is so heavily upper bound and so set to drastically decline...
mircea_popescu: xmj: What would make for a better home base in 2015 or 2016: Luxembourg, Monaco or Jersey/Guernsey? << awful, all of them.
BingoBoingo: %p
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mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.7 * 10 ** 6 * 2 * 7
gribble: 23800000
mircea_popescu: lol look at that, X-Rob is practically at even within a week.
mircea_popescu: i suck at mining futures.
mircea_popescu: !up Wexel
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: Most US states are run pretty well, but when you add the federal goverment into it, it becomes a huge mess << this isn't actually true. most of the rent seeking gunk is currently sucking out of washington because that's where the teats are, and so this gives the convincing but ultimately false impression individual states are better run.
mircea_popescu: should the teasts move, within a year and a half tops the local states'd be in such a mess you wouldn't believe your eyes.
mircea_popescu: dynamic equilibriums. always a bitch.
BingoBoingo: Missouri goes back to lead mining, Illinois mines coal, Ohio mines butthurt
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: left to their own devices, California, Illinois, new york and maryland would implode << exactly. they're also the only three examples where a trickle of leeching happens even with the federal govt (ie, it's where corrupt politicians try to build a career state-level)
mircea_popescu: (maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for. without washington it'd look like detroit five weeks after everyone grew wings)
The20YearIRCloud: I'm basing my statement on individual states based on balanced books and economic outlook, i realize that states suck the government teat, however if you look at total federal aid and who it goes to ,the big thing is military aid
mircea_popescu: not what i mean.
mircea_popescu: what i mean is, the porkbarrel leeches that curently push and deform washington
mircea_popescu: would just move over to ohio state capitol.
The20YearIRCloud: You also have to realize those politcians getting the pork are not the ones who run the state
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: A lot of military pork is spent in Ohio
The20YearIRCloud: Sure it is
The20YearIRCloud: The lima tank plant is prolly the best example of pork military spending out there
mircea_popescu: the entire "federal funds" thing has nothing to do with anything. they're not "federal" funds in any sense.
mircea_popescu: people made it.
BingoBoingo: And it being spent there eases the jobs of the state level comrades
The20YearIRCloud: The difference in most states is that you elect senators on a state-wide level, so it's very easy to stack votes in areas (And I blame it on fraud) leading to very centrist/leftist politicians in washington
mircea_popescu: sure. but if there were no feds, the same money would still be available.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud trust me, new gerrymandering would be invented.
mircea_popescu: the current system didn't exist before it was needed either.
The20YearIRCloud: For state senators, it's based on geographic districts, and the heavily urban areas have limited voting abilities, so here in ohio, 70% of state senators/house members are right/non-left
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as there's a public treasury somewhere, there's going to be a troop of people forcing it open.
mircea_popescu: wherever you houise it, washington or akron, they'll take a bus
mircea_popescu: they'll swim if they have to.
The20YearIRCloud: Sure, but if you look at each state, some states have essentially become mini-washingtons, and others are not
mircea_popescu: only because some states have stuff to be leached and some don't.
The20YearIRCloud: Not every state is constantly growing the size of government or increasing efficientcy
mircea_popescu: illinois is bigger and richer than ohio. so is california. so is ny. that is all.
The20YearIRCloud: Texas has plenty to be leached and they continue to have a balanced budget and generally more efficient finances
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of size not quality. once the pig is ripe, it gets sliced.
mircea_popescu: granted, texas is a decent-ish counterexample
The20YearIRCloud: Ohio is 7th largest in GDP
The20YearIRCloud: Florida is also leaps and bounds better than the liberal states, and they're large as well
mircea_popescu: i will call this variance.
mircea_popescu: by and large, it won't make a difference.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: If we go truly paleo Illinois has so much more to sell in... Biodiesel...
The20YearIRCloud: take out chicago and illinois isn't bad
The20YearIRCloud: just like upstate NY and most (geographically) of california
The20YearIRCloud: it all comes down to dense urban areas vs everyone else
The20YearIRCloud: urban areas want to control everything, rural areas typically don't
mircea_popescu: just because rural folk are slow doesn't mean they're immune from falling.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: But without Chiraq where do you harvest easy lipids for rendering?
The20YearIRCloud: people
BingoBoingo: ANd where are they?
The20YearIRCloud: People are in cities
BingoBoingo: Like... SHitcago?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, and detroit, saint louis, atlanta, chicago, ect
The20YearIRCloud: I'm curious what would happen to cities if they do what some counties have done here in Ohio and effectively end police service
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud you're like, a proud ohio citizen or something, are ya ?
The20YearIRCloud: half of my county has no police service, some counties have one officer who works half a day
The20YearIRCloud: I enjoy the state severely, lots of business, but I can also own a machine gun or drive a tank down the highway
The20YearIRCloud: It's kind of like texas, but we have snow
mircea_popescu: well, never knew one before.
BingoBoingo: I mean I like parts of illinois, but Missouri is the way to go.
The20YearIRCloud: my wife's family is from missouri, i wouldn't mind living out there at all
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but i suspect he likes it in the way of pick up a rifle and form a picket.
The20YearIRCloud: but the state is severely offset by the idocy in st louis :D
The20YearIRCloud: her family is about 2hrs south-west of springfield
The20YearIRCloud: in the middle of literally nowhere
The20YearIRCloud: which is what makes it even better
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: So Fallout already happened there http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/18/a-crude-map-of-missouri-because-where-is-ferguson-anyway/
assbot: A Crude Map of Missouri, because where is Ferguson anyway? | Bingo Blog
The20YearIRCloud: you're just referencing the riots?
The20YearIRCloud: BingoBoingo: are you in IL or MO?
The20YearIRCloud: or are you in west st louis?
The20YearIRCloud: *east st louis
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: ATM I'm happily in undifferentiated IL
BingoBoingo: Where you can't really tell the difference from Benton to Pekin
The20YearIRCloud: Not too bad i guess, although you get to enjoy the legal blessings of chicago
The20YearIRCloud: I've been by effingham
BingoBoingo: No, I wander the "Big Jail" because allegedly people can dump their fucking High School drama on my shit. Also Political speech seems to totally not be legal in IL.
The20YearIRCloud: yaeh
The20YearIRCloud: i guess monett is only a hour outside springfield
decimation: re: maryland :: it's pretty much nonsensical sprawl, decay, overpopulation in a swamp
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708261.0
assbot: Coinurl scum
BingoBoingo likes ben_vulpes lack of serious competition
decimation: as Mr. Yarvin says, perhaps one day the mighty Patomack will once again flow unvexed into the Chesapeake
BingoBoingo: Not as Yarvin says, as poor Jimmy from Fallout 3 says
mircea_popescu: ^
BingoBoingo: DC wil be worthless, you will have to pick through the boats anchored in the harbor to find refuge
BingoBoingo: Or an overbuilt monument
decimation: if that day comes I claim FDR's head
BingoBoingo: You see outside of the pits that were Tactics and the playstation first person shooter, but Fallout 3 as the worst of the rest of the games had plenty of redeeming lulz in its chosen setting
asciilifeform: lol i step out for a few hours and we have fdr's head
asciilifeform: why i always miss the goodstoff
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably the same reason which gives you meatspace colleagues worth refering here
decimation: that monument was the most pointless waste of real estate on the mall
decimation: somehow a phallus was good enough for washington, fdr needs to have sprawling 'teaching moment'
BingoBoingo remembers the "Mall" as a place full of the Jaundiced and Juiced
decimation: ascii when the day comes I'll help you dissolve the rock around FDR's neck :)
decimation: from lol scholarship: http://mercatus.org/expert_commentary/does-status-quo-us-federalism-advantage-progressives
assbot: Does Status Quo U.S. Federalism Advantage Progressives? | Mercatus
decimation: "Virtually every strongly conservative state has more liberal policies than predicted, and so does virtually every liberal state. " no shit
BingoBoingo: From what I can tell the only demographic group >500 people that benefited from the Obama regime so far were the gays
decimation: bezzle finance did pretty well
BingoBoingo: I mean if the situation for the blacks improved... would there be a Ferguson?
BingoBoingo: bezzel finance is small
asciilifeform: deck chairs / titanic.
asciilifeform liked mircea_popescu's mafia story and should like to hear more one day.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ << How did I miss this earlier
assbot: In sprijinul eugeniei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: BingoBoingo: did the gays really benefit? now they pay extra tax like regular folk
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Or avoid tax on their approved bezzels, but they get good feels. They are IN the fold nao.
decimation: extend and coopt, it's how the power game is played
BingoBoingo: But why the gays and not the young black men, a group he was once a member of.
decimation: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void
kuzetsa: I lived in mississippi for a few years, and there were totally black republicans there
BingoBoingo: And Homos don't?
kuzetsa: the black vote wasn't anywhere near 99% democrats
decimation: bored housewives care about gays
BingoBoingo: Oh, they totally do. It's all they can watch on Bravo anymoar
decimation: kuzetsa: http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/23/a-closer-look-at-the-parties-in-2012/, sorry it's closer to 88% nationally
assbot: Nothing found for 2012 08 23 A Closer Look At The Parties In 2012 ,
kuzetsa: decimation: in mississippi, it was even less though, since basically everyone there is republican
decimation: In certain areas it is higher: http://www.amren.com/features/2012/11/race-and-the-2012-election/ Blacks, who accounted for 28 percent of voters and gave him 97 percent of their vote, handed Mr. Obama the state with a resounding 62 percent majority.
assbot: Race and the 2012 Election | American Renaissance
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/#identifier_0_47409
assbot: Fire in Alabama, let’s make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: !up RebeccaBitcoin
RebeccaBitcoin: awesome, thanks bingo
RebeccaBitcoin: didn't even have to deal with gribble
BingoBoingo: decimation: This isn't about all blacks though
RebeccaBitcoin: Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool
BingoBoingo: This is about the young ones, the ones still being shat on
BingoBoingo: RebeccaBitcoin: When you get remembered that becomes an issue
RebeccaBitcoin: ;p
BingoBoingo: Observe what a JD and asbestos litigation job does to a young revolutionary's twitter feed https://twitter.com/CourtneyRLogan/with_replies
assbot: Courtney R. Logan (CourtneyRLogan) auf Twitter
BingoBoingo: Dude pumps a self published book and tweets abotu #Ferguson once
BingoBoingo: This isn't a value judgment, this is an observation. People who have, or imagine they have something to lose lose the revolutionary edge.
BingoBoingo: People with nothing to lose have no reason not to burn the world.
BingoBoingo: Any particular Micheal Brown need not figure into it at all.
BingoBoingo: Other than as a spark that warms the tinder.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> if that day comes I claim FDR's head << good thing to claim.
mircea_popescu: if i cared more i'd prolly try for the same.
BingoBoingo: Both Americans who caught Ebola walked out of the hospital this week thanks to some expensive ass monoclonal antibodies. That Liberians can't can them means what? Sure it was an experimental drug, but as far as experimental drugs do they don't get much safer.
BingoBoingo: *go
BingoBoingo: Sure, the US could work on Ebola eradication if they hadn't spent so much on tilling the ground for ISIS. The Grad students and persons incrediby deserving the title of Herr Doktor could be on parade.
BingoBoingo: Butt...
BingoBoingo: Apparently RUF wasn't sufficiently for the people...
BingoBoingo: And the Queen wouldn't seceed Scotland in the name of Amin's good health
BingoBoingo: !up alex_c
BingoBoingo: Hello alex_c
alex_c: hello :)
BingoBoingo: What's up alex_c
BingoBoingo: I have to wonder if part of the current downturn is hanbot not acting as MPOE-PR and being the Nystatin that keeps mold from ruining the Da Vinci http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_2_46944
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying/#identifier_2_47130
assbot: People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#footnote_0_46944
assbot: Of mice and men, revisited pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
decimation: http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << nice rambling on Nixon. made me reconsider my views on the man, given that he looks like a complete genius compared to Obama (re: foreign policy)
assbot: 28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I know you don't like temp voice, but... How is Doge doing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39262 @ 0.00063396 = 24.8905 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: his theory is that Nixon was going to actually try to throw out all the fdr-era holdovers in the civil service and replace them with 'his people', and the civil service conspired with the press to destroy his presidency
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not impossible at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24188 @ 0.00063321 = 15.3161 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up [KS]
BingoBoingo: [KS]: Do you know if I have a warrant out for being cool yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00063805 = 6.8909 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: !up Suchwow
SuchWow: may i please have perm voice?
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot SuchWow
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never
SuchWow: ok lol
SuchWow: wut i have to do
fluffypony: you have to get into assbot's L2
SuchWow: eli retard plz
fluffypony: ok you need to be rated by one of these people: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT
assbot: Rating Details for User 'assbot'
fluffypony: here's some reading on it: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
SuchWow: i have no desire to go to that site lol
fluffypony: well then you can't have perm voice.
SuchWow: who is kakobrekla
fluffypony: what do you mean who is he?
fluffypony: he's a person
SuchWow: that person could fix this is all i'm saying
fluffypony: fix it how?
fluffypony: none of us are on the chanserv access list
fluffypony: we are all in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group
SuchWow: he/she is +F
SuchWow: they most certainly can give me +v
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@coreteam.monero.cc. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
fluffypony: see
SuchWow: [03:05:38] *ChanServ* 1 kakobrekla +AFRfiorstv [modified 2 years, 19 weeks, 1 day, 11:49:32 ago]
fluffypony: SuchWow: he will not give you chanserv flags, so don't even dream
SuchWow: why not?
fluffypony: there's a way things are done here, I've explained that way and linked you to the relevant resources
fluffypony: if you choose not to read up on it there's not much I can do about htat
SuchWow: that is fine
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, what do you do in BTC/Crypto?
SuchWow: i've also explained why i am annoyed by the constant temp upping for sev months nows
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, if people knew your schtick you could get perm voice
SuchWow: BingoBoingo: nothing. I've been quite clear that i have nothing to say in this chan, and once i do, i will gladly speak up
SuchWow: however, i've literally been temp upped 30 times
SuchWow: and it's annoying
SuchWow: hence i humbly ask for the third time to just perm up me, or leave it alone please
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well, have you tried an IRC bouncer with good connectivity to limit your join/parts?
SuchWow: i am on avg connected for 3-5 days at a time
SuchWow: w/o bouncer
SuchWow: it just seems to me
SuchWow: that if you all feel comfortable enough
SuchWow: to constantly temp up me
SuchWow: for months
BingoBoingo: It seems like that, but on day 4 you join/part 10 times in a row, so I temp up you
SuchWow: that you should feel comfortable enough to +V me
SuchWow: that is all
SuchWow: i have never join/part 10 times in one day
SuchWow: now way
SuchWow: *no
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well to lend to trust to perm +V... We'd have to have an idea of what you do. If you liek to lurk that''s fine
SuchWow: i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10
SuchWow: i'm in 60+ freenode chans since then
SuchWow: not sure what else you want lol
BingoBoingo: But even people who can offer voice to themselves here get temp upped
SuchWow: I've never once been kicked from any chan
BingoBoingo: ask peterl
kdomanski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nPQQlGCrO4
assbot: Fantastic Capote et Wonder Capote - YouTube
SuchWow: i don't want the ability to voice others
BingoBoingo: or copumpkin
SuchWow: i just want to not be pinged everytime my connection resets and i rejoin this chan
fluffypony: SuchWow that still won't work
fluffypony: you have to explicitly ask assbot to !up you when you reconnect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063809 = 7.8804 BTC [+]
fluffypony: it's not automatic
Vexual: !up SuchWow
Vexual: good dog
SuchWow: whatever, i ask kakobrekla to please make an exception, because i have 9 months track record of perfect behavior, and there is no reason not to
BingoBoingo: <SuchWow> i'm an op of #dogecoin since Dec 10 << This and not getting kicked ever just doesn't say much on what you do
SuchWow: i do nothing
SuchWow: i'm just here to obserrve
mircea_popescu: <decimation> bezzle finance did pretty well << insanely well.
BingoBoingo: Everyone one does something
SuchWow: and people continually up me
SuchWow: for months
SuchWow: every time i join
SuchWow: i've literally never once had anything to say
BingoBoingo: People up me when I join and haven't log caught up and can't speak informedly yet
BingoBoingo: Hazard of the channel
SuchWow: well i'm just saying
SuchWow: there's like 50 ppl here with voice
SuchWow: and most of them don't say anything either
Vexual: literally?
BingoBoingo: In -otc doe you worry when people check ;;ident or ;;gettrust?
SuchWow: so could we just please add me, and i'll continue to not say anything ever?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust SuchWow
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user SuchWow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=SuchWow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SuchWow | Rated since: never
fluffypony: SuchWow: if you're just here to observe why do you need voice?
SuchWow: and maybe one day, if i get to your level, i'll say something
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure you have plenty to say.
fluffypony: all of those people with voice - every single one of them - is in assbot's L1 or L2 trust group
fluffypony: if you don't bother to understand the rules why should anyone make an exception for you?
fluffypony: !down SuchWow
fluffypony: such caps.
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Even if you could self voice... No one gets voice on joining except the bots
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
SuchWow: [03:16:02] <SuchWow> IF I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING I WILL PM YOU
SuchWow: that's all
mircea_popescu: <decimation> because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true.
SuchWow: just leave me alone and let me be lol
BingoBoingo: Now I'm just going to up you to be a dick, at times you least expect it
SuchWow: lol
BingoBoingo: !down SuchWow
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
SuchWow: ooo who's the troll with voice now
BingoBoingo: !s SuchWow
assbot: 29 results for 'SuchWow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SuchWow
SuchWow: not me lol
SuchWow: sorry if that's what it takes
SuchWow: to get voice lol
BingoBoingo: Trolling is healthy
SuchWow: indeed
BingoBoingo: Keeps people honest
SuchWow: but that is not what this chan is about
SuchWow: at all
SuchWow: but enjoy your perma voice
SuchWow: troll
BingoBoingo: Well, keeping people honest is a large part of what this chan is about
SuchWow: totally unrelated topic
BingoBoingo: and I don't have permavoice
mircea_popescu: <RebeccaBitcoin> Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool Although I could be an imposter, so thats not cool << impostor of... whom ? some chick on the interwebs ?
BingoBoingo: I have to auth with gribble and pm assbot as everyone else does
SuchWow: i have no desire to trade
SuchWow: so why should i auth with gribble
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: SO your words have weight of identity
SuchWow: i've stood by my words for 9 months
SuchWow: in the 9 chans i op
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/
assbot: Of men and mice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
SuchWow: i just come here to learn
BingoBoingo: Why care about OP
SuchWow: and ppl up me like i have something to say
SuchWow: i don't
fluffypony: SuchWow: you register with gribble because it's a web of TRUST, not a web of TRADES
SuchWow: i don't understand the topics here enough to comment on them
BingoBoingo: How can we know you have nothing to say?
SuchWow: but i understand they are important
SuchWow: so like i said 4 weeks ago
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I mean you OP 9 channels
BingoBoingo: Surely you see shit we miss
SuchWow: either give me +V or just stop upping me please
SuchWow: not at all, you're being ridiculous BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: <SuchWow> i have no desire to go to that site lol <fluffypony> well then you can't have perm voice. << i like how neatly this works. army-like almost.
SuchWow: then cool
SuchWow: so again i nicely ask
SuchWow: as i've asked for weeks now
SuchWow: could you please not up me unless i ask for it
SuchWow: that's ALL i've ever asked
SuchWow: is only because you keep doing so
SuchWow: that this convo is taking place
fluffypony: too late, I've already written a script to randomly up you every 1-4 days
mircea_popescu: SuchWow you know i haven't did :)
BingoBoingo: I drink a lot which lets me forget these things
fluffypony: I can make it more frequent if you'd prefer, every 12-24 hours?
SuchWow: i don't WANT voice - i just want to stop GETTING voiced for no reason, which pings me at start, and again 30 min later
RagnarDanneskjol: better to do random time intervals
mircea_popescu: he has a point tho.
SuchWow: hence why I just say 'make me perma voice' lol
SuchWow: so i don't have to even notice
mpmcsweeney: hey all
mircea_popescu: SuchWow i guess one way to go about it is ignore assbot.
BingoBoingo: Perma voice doesn't exist here
BingoBoingo: hey mpmcsweeney
mircea_popescu: hello mpmcsweeney
SuchWow: i joined irc in 92
mpmcsweeney: I heard about this IRC through a colleague
SuchWow: i've never once used the /ignore command
SuchWow: i don't intend to start today
mircea_popescu: now that's an accomplishment.
mpmcsweeney: whats the purpose of this chat?
fluffypony: mpmcsweeney: to irritate SuchWow, apparently
SuchWow: mpmcsweeney: see /topic
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Write 1750 words of commentary on this post http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/ and I'll lend you a +1 to self up
assbot: Of men and mice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
SuchWow: it is to talk about bitcoin based commodities, like stocks and stuff
mpmcsweeney: ooh so this is a market place
mpmcsweeney: thats cool
RagnarDanneskjol: bdsm, high brow vulgarity
SuchWow: but where you can buy shares using cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how difficult would it be to have yet another assbot list and a command. if someone goes !novoice then assbot never 30min voices them again
mpmcsweeney: interesting
mpmcsweeney: what kind of volume?
mircea_popescu: but instead says "sorry, this person has nothing to say"
mpmcsweeney: (if its possible to ask)
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: see, you get me lol. and yes, i remember you being here the last time we had this conversation and so i thank you :)
SuchWow: a simple solution would be
SuchWow: don't voice someone who hasn't asked for it :)
Vexual: ignore
SuchWow: *simpler
mircea_popescu: SuchWow often there are noobs here.
SuchWow: because maybe one day i do want voice
mircea_popescu: and i don't just mean people who don't know irc. i mean people who barely grok computers.
SuchWow: oh i understand that entirely
mircea_popescu: like that miss florida girl or w/e she was
SuchWow: if it is newbs you wish to cater to
SuchWow: than may i recommend
mpmcsweeney: SuchWow you have a presence in #dogecoin no?
BingoBoingo: The thing is many people get pinged for things they couldn't care less about.
mircea_popescu: not wish. but sometimes people need to be here that are noobs.
SuchWow: you utilize a standard irc hierarchy
BingoBoingo: But that doesn't make it spam
mircea_popescu: like, journos, sec comissioners and so on.
mircea_popescu: willy nilly bitcoin forces a lot of fiat know nothings into here.
BingoBoingo: !s reutersemily
assbot: 233 results for 'reutersemily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=reutersemily
Vexual: ill train you to use ignore, it's pretty a standard doge trick
SuchWow: BingoBoingo: I've been temp-upped 20+ times. I've never had one single thing to say.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fairness emily was quite adept, netiquette et all.
SuchWow: i refuse to use ignore. it's juvenile and immature imo
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed she was
mircea_popescu: well apparently sometimes it's just functional.
SuchWow: i just boycotted this chan for weeks
BingoBoingo: Prolly one of the best
SuchWow: and this week i come back, and here we are again
mircea_popescu: SuchWow you could just read the logs on the webpage i guess
Vexual: well expect to get pinged
mircea_popescu: if you dun wanna be here.
SuchWow: i do
BingoBoingo: until assbot goes down an leaves holes
SuchWow: i just have nothing to say
SuchWow: yet
SuchWow: if i do
SuchWow: i will let you know
SuchWow: and ask for an up or whatever
RagnarDanneskjol: seems like you're quite the chatterbox to me
mircea_popescu: only when he has nothing to say :D
BingoBoingo wonders what sort of alert SuchWow has set for IRC pings
SuchWow: i've said nothing relevant to this chan
SuchWow: whatever, troll me all you want
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: You've said so much though in little time tonight though
SuchWow: i am untrollable lol
BingoBoingo: I'm serious
SuchWow: ok then
mircea_popescu: i am guess this whole shebang is quite revolutionary. it doesn't sit well with irc traditionz at all.
SuchWow: it's just a simple popup box that flashes
Vexual: many theme
BingoBoingo: You are highlighting parts of the infrastructure that work well
SuchWow: andthe chan is a diff color
SuchWow: that's all my alert is
SuchWow: but with 70 chans
SuchWow: ya know?
BingoBoingo imagined 1200 watts of sound or something
SuchWow: whatever it's cool
SuchWow: y'all have your own weird way of doing things
SuchWow: and that;s cool
mpmcsweeney: the great IRC stream
SuchWow: just stop upping me unless i ask for it
BingoBoingo: It will prolly only get weirder
SuchWow: the people upping me know who i am
SuchWow: that's why i'm asking
mircea_popescu: SuchWow amusingly enough : even if you were added to assbot l2 : you probably would not up yoruself every time you joined
SuchWow: if i really have something to say
BingoBoingo: Well, no. You could be a nicksquatter
SuchWow: i will ask
mircea_popescu: and so people would STILL up you
BingoBoingo: ;;ident SuchWow
gribble: Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified.
SuchWow: clearly i am identified
SuchWow: and not a squatter
SuchWow: you are now super clearly a troll
SuchWow: enjoy your perma voice lol
mircea_popescu: there's a special gribble ident assbot uses
mircea_popescu: not the nickserv one.
mircea_popescu: this is gpg-based.
SuchWow: yes i know that
SuchWow: i don't use -otc
BingoBoingo: gribble> Nick 'SuchWow', with hostmask 'SuchWow!~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow', is not identified. << WHat part of not identified is challenging?
SuchWow: ok someone tell me the command i need to use to id with gribble
SuchWow: and i will type that
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth and ;;everify.
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
SuchWow: if that is what needs to be done
SuchWow: ;;eauth
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
decimation: I guess I started all this. One way of remaining silent in the face of being upped - is to remain silent
mircea_popescu: no i was just explaining that even if you did it it wouldn't help you.
SuchWow: ;;eauth SuchWow
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
BingoBoingo: So ;;eregister
SuchWow: ;;eregister SuchWow
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decimation: mircea_popescu: because blacks vote 99% democrat, therefore making their opinions on any political matter void << i dun think this is true. << what part, the 99% or the irrelevant?
mircea_popescu: SuchWow basically, the infrastructure is new, and there isn't an answer for everoyne's needs. you're a poster child for this problem.
SuchWow: it's cool i'll play the game
mircea_popescu: decimation both. they doin't vote 99% for one, and if they did, their oppinions would be relevant.
SuchWow: what is the GPG
mircea_popescu: in the sense that with a 99% block you have nothing to gain, but a lot to lose.
mircea_popescu: so you're invested in what they believe whether you like it or not.
SuchWow: i will read the wiki
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog
decimation: yeah you are right, in Maryland the actual number was 97%
mircea_popescu: decimation in ONE election.
mircea_popescu: look at bush election say.
mircea_popescu: if the democrat party puts up a 2nd generation korean dude for presidency, 99% of koreans will vote with him
mircea_popescu: doth not mean they now vote democrat.
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/on-selling-bitcoin-the-idea/
SuchWow: way too much work, and i'm too drunk.i guess just up me when you want, and should the day come that i care, i'll set all that up
SuchWow: i'll stop bitching in the meantime
SuchWow: enjoy your chan
mircea_popescu: The stories all take place in the town of Gini, Virginia, with the intro sequence showing a large sign displaying: “Welcome to Gini – Proud to be a Diverse and Vibrant Community.”
mircea_popescu: dude haus has a brilliant idea for a series.
mircea_popescu: so is he making it ?
decimation: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html << blacks went 88% for kerry in 2004, 93% for obama in 2012
assbot: CNN.com Election 2004
decimation: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president
assbot: Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
fluffypony: huh
fluffypony: mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: I'm sorry if it seemed like I was trolling. Didn't realize you were hammered too.
fluffypony: apparently I only have 4 trilema credits??
mircea_popescu: fluffypony did your cookie expire ?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Trilema restarted, put your cookie back in
fluffypony: maybe - but then shouldn't I have 0 credits?
SuchWow: it's all good
SuchWow: i get the ideal here
mircea_popescu: decimation seems you have a much stronger point than originally thought, re the 99%.
SuchWow: and it's not a bad one
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no because all new ips get 4 for free.
fluffypony: Credits: 49773. What's this ?
fluffypony: much better
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Basically the main problem here is... There's a premium set on being sure who is speaking
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Hence the hoops and the !uping passerby
decimation: note that in 2004 *registered Democrats* went to kerry at 89%, blacks went 88%. Also note that black women went Obama in 2012 at 97%
RagnarDanneskjol: http://contravex.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/
assbot: IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
decimation: nationally
decimation: registered democrats only went Obama 92% in 2012
SuchWow: BingoBoingo: i get it. and as it seems, it ensures proper conversation is taking place
SuchWow: and as far as irc is concerned, it's really not a bad tactic
mircea_popescu: decimation i never really gas about the race politics in the us, so all this is news to me.
SuchWow: i just wish someone could've explained it like that to me months ago when i first arrived :)
fluffypony: SuchWow: I linked you to a blog post about it
BingoBoingo went quiet from the time logs were introduced to the time MP started the Eve corp... pretty sure other people miss my silence
mircea_popescu: SuchWow a month ago you hadn't talked enough for us to know enough about you to know it'd be beneficial.
SuchWow: and possibly it IS explained in the topic. but whoever reads that lol
fluffypony: and you chose not to click and read
SuchWow: i've NEVER ONCE talked here lol\ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: exactly.
SuchWow: except about this lol
Vexual: many irc
mircea_popescu: it's the crying baby that gets the teat.
SuchWow: yet i was upped 20 times anyways lol
SuchWow: anyhow this is silly
SuchWow: yes it is my fault for not reading
SuchWow: partially your fault for endlessly upping me
SuchWow: it's all good
BingoBoingo: no
SuchWow: go back to your on topic convos lol
BingoBoingo: ;;google malpidity
gribble: Malpidity | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/>; The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/>; Ethics | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/category/ethics/>
mircea_popescu: ;;ud glasshole
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glasshole | A person who constantly talks to their Google Glass, ignoring the outside world. Glasshole: "Glass do this, Glass do that." Co-rider: Shut the fuck up and enjoy the  ...
mircea_popescu: they got that!
Vexual: kimdotcom's political apirations are getting bigger than his appetite for cheezeburgers after assets re-frozen
BingoBoingo: Inquiry is never wrong until your dick explores to find out if that scab was safe or not
decimation: Vexual: can you explain new zealand politics to me? it seems a cross between get-off-my-lawn and communism
Vexual: yeah that t sounds approximately true, i don't know much
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
fluffypony: SuchWow: one of my dogs just epitomised my reaction to this entire conversation - http://i.imgur.com/nQujc5S.jpg
Vexual: lol im green
SuchWow: fluffypony: yeah that's just about how i've felt both times
BingoBoingo: Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was just thinking, wow look at that, all he had to do is ask.
BingoBoingo: It is truly astounding
BingoBoingo: The SuchWow conversation was much like why I found this situation so lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ when I linked it yesterday
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
BingoBoingo: It wasn't one of the muppets doing something useless and taking it on that the foundation was forced to highlight, but Bluematt introducing an if you can mine this helps, but otherwise things are as they always have been
mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow
SuchWow: BingoBoingo: what do you mean by that?
SuchWow: because i've read both, and i don't see the comparison
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: While the "core devs" endlessly debate a utxo command... Bluemat introduced a subnet for miners that allows them some optimization that has had the potential to be there all along.
SuchWow: right i get that. what does that have to do with the conversation you all had with me earlier?
BingoBoingo: SuchWow: Well imagine yourself a "core dev" imagining anyone gets automatic +v in this chan to avoid "getting pinged"
SuchWow: i've never once suggested that just anyone should get automatic +v
SuchWow: that's ridiculous
SuchWow: all i said was
SuchWow: once you +v someone a dozen times
Vexual: anyone not veryone
SuchWow: why not go ahead and perma it?
BingoBoingo: All this time you've imagined the fault was in others curiosity about you, when the problem is joining a channel and imagining people won't be curious
SuchWow: not at all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece.
mircea_popescu: he did start with good points.
SuchWow: the people +ving me know who i am lol
BingoBoingo: I have no idea who you are.
SuchWow: you're not the one +ving me
BingoBoingo: I often am +v'ing you
Vexual: i v+d you
Vexual: you barked, i didnt understand
SuchWow: i've never 'barked' here lol
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BingoBoingo: !b 7 ✂︎
SuchWow: nor anywhere for that matter
Vexual: steele down ginny
SuchWow: anyhow, peace be with you all
SuchWow: and gl with your assets
BingoBoingo: !down SuchWow
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
Vexual: don't annoy it, it might bite
SuchWow: i won't, and i'm not an it, but thanks
SuchWow: very kind of you all
Vexual: girl or boy?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: What good ole boy hasn't read Ole Yeller?
punkman: don't go hiding under the bed now
BingoBoingo: !up ColinT2
BingoBoingo: Hello ColinT2
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker -- market all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 503.61, vol: 14868.49085206 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.93, vol: 3963.18673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.0, vol: 7492.16425724 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 536.15, vol: 10.96877017 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 498.372252, vol: 29018.17490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95437, vol: 9.2990123 | Volume-weighted last average: 500.39418439
SuchWow: wow forget you all, sorry i even spoke
Vexual pats the nice doge
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
punkman: !up RedStallion
punkman: !up random_cat_
punkman: !up phish
BingoBoingo: !up KleinDe
punkman: !up cowloon
BingoBoingo: !up zling__
BingoBoingo: !u[ pharesim
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
xmj: good morning
BingoBoingo: Morning
Vexual: hi
Vexual: can we call atc bits bones?
Vexual: ThickAsThieves?
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVSnqxXApH0
assbot: Maersk Gunhilde, South China Sea - South China Mall, China - 4K Time Lapse by Toby Smith - YouTube
Vexual: gopro or blackmagic?
punkman: blackmagic has 4k now? cool
punkman: thing needs more buttons less touch screen
decimation: punkman: careful, you might be upping people maliciously.
punkman: I was going for an animal themed name theme
mircea_popescu: punkman splendid.
punkman: !up kermit
punkman: http://hellogiggles.com/awesome-new-invention-date-rape-drug-detecting-nail-polish
assbot: Amazing New Invention: A Nail Polish That Detects Date Rape Drugs
Vexual: wake up: chipped
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large
Vexual: !up Heysteve dinosaw
HeySteve: hey
Vexual: hi
Vexual: !up RedStallion
Vexual: !up random_cat_
Vexual: !up trixisowned abathingape
Vexual: theres a `walked into a bar' joke there somewehre
Vexual: cat: ill just lick my balls
Vexual: horse: ill watch the cat
mircea_popescu: "An undergraduate team at North Carolina State University might have just revolutionized your make-up drawer. The four students are working to develop a"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00063809 = 16.1437 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not quite the same as the title.
punkman: it's not equivalent?
mircea_popescu: equivalent it is, just... nisi valent.
Vexual: dinosaur: i just got deja vu
Vexual: frog: plays piano
Vexual: best trick is, the nail polis doesn't work
Vexual: it got swapped out earlier in the evening
mircea_popescu: Vexual you saying the dorks in the photo are moles working for the international directorate of date rape ?
HeySteve: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0102772
assbot: PLOS ONE: The Science of Style: In Fashion, Colors Should Match Only Moderately
Vexual: that was my fiirst impressing
Vexual: put your fingers in the drink
Vexual: yep, you're in the wrong place
Vexual: invent pinky paint that detects pure flake, winrar
mircea_popescu: invent a condom package that detects eager sluts, save on all the rohypnol biz.
Vexual: they're going about things all wrong
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
Vexual: !up usagi monkey
Vexual: tathagata, the father buddah, said, "With out thoughts, we make thw world."
usagi: with out or with our?
Vexual: with rabbit, with
Vexual: that was a typo
usagi: It's a real shame that stuff like buddhism is regarded as esoteric
usagi: It really should have been able to merge itself a bit more into normal culture
Vexual: well...
Vexual: i aint the dalai lama
Vexual: but im pretty sure its laregly esoteric and also normal
Vexual: id wager theres more buddhists than whatever you do
usagi sips coffee
HeySteve: this looks like a clever scam: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-22/south-africa-reels-unexpected-bailout-one-bank-has-modest-proposal-give-us-your-gold
assbot: As South Africa Reels From Unexpected Bailout, One Bank Has A Modest Proposal: Give Us Your Gold | Zero Hedge
HeySteve: wonder how long before some respectable financial institution (cough) tries this with Bitcoin
usagi: "In other words, for the first time "holding" gold will pay a dividend (or in this case, interest)."
usagi: I don't even know where to begin with stuff like that
HeySteve: yeah, how can not holding it be holding it?
usagi: Almost every single word in the sentence is wrong
usagi: Well steve, there is a difference between zero value and positive zero
usagi: Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value
HeySteve: ;;gettrust usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
HeySteve: well not $1000 worth
usagi: "Investors may not hold gold in unwrought form according to South African law;" lol
chetty: <usagi> Like if I promise to give you a thousand dollars at some point in the future, that has value//only if your promise has value
usagi: actual and perceived value being completely different.. in the case of the bank the perceived value is probably very high.. The banks around here have been doing the same sort of thing for years
usagi: They allow you to invest in gold but they don't actually give you the gold.
usagi: It's actually impossible to ever redeem it. But the banks promise that they will buy back the gold you have on account with them should you want to sell it
HeySteve: on the face of it, the bank must relend the gold in order to pay the interest
chetty: <usagi> actual and perceived value being completely different..//being the root of much evil
HeySteve: so it's not just trusting the bank, but their counterparties too
HeySteve: not sure why anyone would go for this, but you always get idiots
usagi: Hmm yes and no
HeySteve: the interest rate is way too low for the risk imo
usagi: Let's say you have a reasonable amount of gold, more than a kilo say
usagi: If the wrong people find out it's in your house, they will come and get it from you (and they will, and they will get it)
usagi: Especially if you're in the wrong country at the time
usagi: So who's going to hold your gold... Normally you have to pay for such a service but here come these nice people offering to pay you money to hold it for you
HeySteve: hmm well gold does have its holding costs
HeySteve: a secret buried treasure chest is a lot more secure than a bank vault I'd say
HeySteve: it's like cold wallet... or coinbase?
punkman: private key being the gps coordinates
usagi: The only way I can imagine someone paying you to invest your gold with them is if they were selling it for an inflated price. I used to do that with TU.SILVER, I front-loaded my fee and the shipping cost into the share price
xmj: huh
usagi: But in any other case, if you give someone your gold and they pay you to hold it, the deal is that at some point in the future you won't be able to get it back
ThickAsThieves: this conversation is making me dumb
xmj: usagi: swiss banks have gold-denominated accounts
usagi: Gold is really simple to understand
usagi: You should be able to get this
punkman: lol
ThickAsThieves: not what i meant
xmj: of course it's simple.
usagi: Well what do you mean then tat?
ThickAsThieves: dont sweat it
usagi: hehehe
usagi: The value of gold expands to cover every other asset in the world including bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: ...
usagi: Aha.
ThickAsThieves: beta me to it
ThickAsThieves: beat*
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
Vexual: !up usagi
usagi: Tat if you have anything of value to add, so so.
usagi: do so* :p
Vexual: the man who shakes his head cannot see the way forward
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, how's stuff there ?
mircea_popescu: !down usagi
mircea_popescu: fucking derpage.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: btw - that Michael O. Church article got sent to me today by a friend
fluffypony: "this is such an amazing experiment, I'm going to try this when I next look for a job!"
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: well.. wish him luck.
punkman: re: derpxperiments https://experiment.com/
assbot: Experiment | Crowdfunding Platform for Scientific Research
mircea_popescu: and i dunno why zh is making such a big deal out of it. a bond anchored to gold. what's so strange about it ?
mircea_popescu: the us reneged about 50 billion worth of them under fdr.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, fluffypony, still optimistic re sa ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes
xmj: why:)
mircea_popescu: i wish i could find a way to bitbet this. "sa is going to shit in a handbasket"
fluffypony: well
xmj: shift how?
Vexual: 20 million dead and half at the border from lead poisoning
fluffypony: that's entirely possible, MP
xmj: hm
fluffypony: and we're ready to move if it happens
fluffypony: but it's also possible it won't happen
mircea_popescu: jewland too. it's just not in the cards for that continent, having civilised countries there.
Vexual: no shit
xmj: exit plans are good.
fluffypony: so we're going to sweat it out
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be a hunting reservation.
xmj: fluffypony: just make sure you have enough cash to bribe your way out, and a guy who can drive you through obstacles like borders and has been in the infantry.
mircea_popescu: they have their cat...
Vexual: drive outta za?
fluffypony: Vexual: to Bots
xmj: well you can take a Helicopter if you have one.
Vexual: 200 miles of zombies?
Vexual: *2000
xmj: I don't have a helicopter
fluffypony: lol Vexual - as opposed to NZ where all you can hope to do is swim?
fluffypony: :-P
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the timelines are also interesting - if it goes to shit we'll be out long before it gets there
fluffypony: we're both EU citizens, so bailing out is a non-issue
mircea_popescu: not unless you get boiled like teh frog.
Vexual: you'll be selling infrasructure to half of africa before you break a sweat
xmj: fluffypony: what exactly do you expect for RSA's future?
mircea_popescu: lol ok. most of the people at katyn were eu citizens too.
fluffypony: xmj: I think there will be a to-and-fro for a few more generations - whether it does a "slippery slope" on either side of the scale remains to be seen, but once its worn itself out and theres more social equilibrium it'll be stable
xmj: to-and-fro what?
xmj: nice, i have 15min more to procrastinate.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony is this predicated on the general theory that the world is by and large a friendly place and most seeds once planted reach maturity and fruition ?
fluffypony: nah - people are basically full of crpa
fluffypony: *crap
fluffypony: xmj, to-and-fro in terms of extremes
fluffypony: I mean
fluffypony: you've got a large population that was opressed
xmj: I understand
fluffypony: and, by and large, didn't have opportunities for social improvement and education
xmj: I don't know which extremese
xmj: extremes*
fluffypony: so now there are people who *didn't* grow up under Apartheid who are in power
fluffypony: but they still carry baggage
fluffypony: because they had a shit childhood as a direct or indirect result
fluffypony: in another 1 or 2 or 3 generations that excuse no longer holds water
mircea_popescu: but after the African Bank bailout, why would anyone pay up on anything they owe to a bank there ? uncollateralized i mean.
fluffypony: then you have a shit childhood because your parents are idiotic or because of circumstances, not because of something that happened in the past
mircea_popescu: the justifications lake was never drawn dry.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah it's a tough one
fluffypony: I'm oba-observing and seeing how things play out
mircea_popescu: take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.
mircea_popescu: and you don't even live there.
fluffypony: yeah the US is an interesting case
fluffypony: it's been, what, 80 years since slavery went out the window?
fluffypony: I don't keep track
mircea_popescu: got any example where the people with a good excuse generally went off the dole and built something ?
xmj: hmm
xmj: fluffypony: if your parents are idiots there's a 40%-80% chance you're an idiot yourself
fluffypony: xmj: word
mircea_popescu: i doubt intelligence even figures into all of this.
xmj: i'm currently reading my way through The Bell Curve, it's illuminating.
mircea_popescu: your average busker is pretty smart, yet it won't do much to have an islandful of buskers.
xmj: mircea_popescu: intelligence and poverty are related more often than not.
fluffypony: aight, I'm busy making stew - having people round for supper
fluffypony: http://www.my-easy-cooking.com/2010/04/13/green-bean-stew-another-south-african-classic/
assbot: Green Bean Stew - Another South African classic! - My Easy Cooking
fluffypony: bbl
mircea_popescu: only in certain sorts of systems xmj
xmj: cheers fluffypony
xmj: mircea_popescu: yes, all of them.
HeySteve: http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm <- worth a look when trying to guess the future of nations
assbot: IQandtheWealthofNations--LynnandVanhanen--datatableofnationalmeanIQstudiessummarizedbySteveSailer
mircea_popescu: no. in all of them, will and poverty are related. this is why determined but unintelligent mobsters do well everywhere all the time,
mircea_popescu: whereas pencilneck kids only do well in certain places.
xmj: HeySteve: tldr asia will domnate once they get their shit together.
HeySteve: dumb mobsters may do well for themselves, but they'll drive a nation down if they're too dominant
chetty: <mircea_popescu> take the us as a fine example. the black ~~~minority~~~ there STILL thinks it's your fault.// holder recently talked about how horrid it was when he got stopped and searched, the fail is that whites get stopped to but thats 'normal', blacks are only stopped because they are black ...
mircea_popescu: HeySteve that's a complicated argument. the scant examples for your azn theory, for instance, all come from mobsters.
mircea_popescu: the azn tigers are simply the net effect of a mob getting in power and pushing the gas to the floor.
HeySteve: well I'd say we have a kleptocracy here, and the results have been poor
mircea_popescu: where is here ?
HeySteve: south africa
mircea_popescu: o you live there too ?
HeySteve: yep!
HeySteve: not at the coast like fluffypony
xmj: HeySteve: kleptocracy is yet another name for democracy
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, i mean from where i'm sitting it looks pretty bad and with a worse outlook, then fluffy is all like happy go lucky everything will be fine.
mircea_popescu: it totally throws me.
mircea_popescu: but yes, xmj is on point. kleptocracy != a mob.
HeySteve: xmj yeah I intended it to say we have mobsters in charge here
mircea_popescu: but do you ?
HeySteve: prez up on fraud and rape charges, diverted millions to build a palace, etc.
mircea_popescu: nero isn't the fucking mob. nero is just nero.
xmj: mircea_popescu: democracy is the mob in charge
mircea_popescu: xmj i was talking the mob as in cosa nostra, not the mob as in mobile vulgus.
Vexual: not on charges
mircea_popescu: Vexual one day in charge, next day on charges, eh vex ?
HeySteve: SA is pretty unstable. very high unemployment and widespread poverty, a vocal revolutaionry marxist leader gaining support...
HeySteve: I can't say I'm optimistic
mircea_popescu: so why are you staying ?
HeySteve: looking for the right place to move to
mircea_popescu: argentina, forgetaboutit.
HeySteve: why did you choose argentina?
mircea_popescu: cause it rocks.
chetty: dollar blue 13.7
HeySteve: friends with a family from there, heard a lot of good things
mircea_popescu: chetty by now whenever i change it jumps, for crying out loud.
chetty: you move the market
Vexual: every time he paso dobles
mircea_popescu: if that's the case i should be moving it the other way lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5000 @ 0.00122538 = 6.1269 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 473 @ 0.0012 = 0.5676 BTC [-] {6}
punkman: mircea_popescu: are the convenience stores selling bitcoin already?
mircea_popescu: nah.
HeySteve: hmm will a small amount of bitcoin let me afford to live like a king in argentina yet?
punkman: no
mircea_popescu: no, but you can probably find work, seeing how 60%ish of the population works in the gray and black market.
Vexual: 256 ghanan kids in '65 scored 79iq drawing a man: 128 drew them with 3 legs
HeySteve: yeah I'd say it's between South America and Australia / New Zealand
HeySteve: mircea_popescu is English fairly widely spoken there?
mircea_popescu: nope.
HeySteve: ah that'd be the biggest challenge then, OZ / NZ is more about the money
mircea_popescu: A weary old lecher named Blott took a luscious young blond to his yacht.
mircea_popescu: Too lazy to rape her he made darts out of paper, which he leisurely tossed at her twat.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve learn a language, it won't kill ye.
Vexual: guatamala ie
fluffypony: HeySteve: Zuma is no worse than Obama signing off on what the NSA does - at least what Zuma does is blatant and obvious, and not sinister and hidden
fluffypony: besides - he's uneducated, he has a Grade 6 education
mircea_popescu: that's an unexpected defense.
mircea_popescu: that too.
fluffypony: I'll take mildly incompetent and a little greedy from having grown up poor and uneducated
mircea_popescu: does this reduce to a no malice for reason of plain stupidity plea ?
fluffypony: over sinister and devious in the name of "protection"
fluffypony: know thine enemy
HeySteve: fluffypony, it limits what he can get away with in secret, sure...
HeySteve: but it also limits my expectation of sensible forward planning
fluffypony: yeah but which country has leadership with sensible forward planning? Norway?
fluffypony: a country led by a visionary will be let down by the incompetence of those executing that vision
fluffypony: a country led by somone incompetent at least has a chance to be propped up by the few competent ones in the middle tiers of governance
HeySteve: there's a few I'd trust to ensure basic infrastructure is maintained and expanded as necessary
ThickAsThieves: i was waiting at the auto repair shop a few mos ago and an old man was writing and reading limericks to me
fluffypony: but every human system of leadership is flawed
ThickAsThieves: stuff about the dealership
ThickAsThieves: corny but fun
Vexual: im stealing that one
mircea_popescu: fluffypony personally, i'm looking for visionaries i personally know.
mircea_popescu: it's a system that always worked well for me.
fluffypony: meh - I've just written human leadership off as flawed and unworkable
fluffypony: so I'll comply with whatever I am obligated to comply with by virtue of my chosen country of residence
fluffypony: but beyond that I ignore them
mircea_popescu: heh. you need better friends. human leadership rox.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm already a benevolent dictator in my own little fish-pond, so it's not like I need to concern myself with those governmental humans that consider themselves my leaders :-P
mircea_popescu: hehe i guess that works.
Vexual: perhaps you're a communist
fluffypony: Vexual: well I did marry a German...
fluffypony: and she's from East Germany
mircea_popescu: An amazon giantess named Dunne let a midget screw her for fun.
mircea_popescu: But the poor little runt was engulfed in her cunt and re-born as the twin of his son.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: <3
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=748767.0
assbot: Some Altcoin poetry
fluffypony: I wrote a couple there
mircea_popescu: An architect fellow named Yoric could, when feeling euphoric, display for selection three kinds of erection- Corinthian, Ionic, and Doric.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony why do they hate on you so ?
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots those people, you can show them a finger, they can say what's wrong with it.
fluffypony: I guess he didn't like being corrected :-P
Vexual: thrice
mircea_popescu: fluffypony has it ever occured to you that perhaps you're picking up habits and forming expectations of the world here that'll make it difficult to fit in the rest of the internets ?
fluffypony: heh
fluffypony: I once had a girlfriend break up with me because I kept correcting her 11 year old sister's grammar (kid's gotta learn before it becomes too ingrained, yo)
fluffypony: so I guess I've always been an opinionated prick :-P
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does that work, shouldn't sisters enjoy their sibling;s torment ?
fluffypony: she was from the Overprotective R Us school of thought
chetty: nah, not sisters with some age spread, mothering instincts kick in
mircea_popescu: chetty ah good point'
mircea_popescu: fluffypony was she over 18 ?
fluffypony: yes
mircea_popescu: so you see what you did wrong there.
mircea_popescu: were she 15 you'd have been fine.
fluffypony: well I was 20 or 21 at the time
fluffypony: I was trying out someone my age
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "An old electronic designer had designs on a minor named Dinah. He couldn't carry them out for his prick was too stout, and too small was the minor's vagina."
mircea_popescu: check out what FILTH!!1 gets distributed with linux
mircea_popescu: into the unsuspecting homes of erryday goodfolk.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: arrest them!
mircea_popescu: off with their heads.
mircea_popescu: An old man at the Folies Bergere had a jock, a most wondrous affair:It snipped off a twat-curl from each new chorus girl, and he had a wig made of the hair.
Textual: http://online.wsj.com/articles/ebola-virus-firsts-suspected-case-in-ireland-1408703882
assbot: Ebola Virus: Dead Irishman Tests Negative - WSJ
[]bot: Bet created: "LTC to over $6.50 USD before Oct 5th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1031/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00063578 = 7.979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27092 @ 0.00063602 = 17.2311 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063254 = 9.6146 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://iruntheinternet.com/lulzdump/images/gifs/seal-steals-fish-fisherman-boat-1382810646V.gif
ThickAsThieves: the bird was too slow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27400001 = 0.548 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.291 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.26946933 = 8.0841 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12810 @ 0.00063668 = 8.1559 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00063699 = 7.7076 BTC [+]
chetty: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28913165
assbot: BBC News - Iceland issues Bardarbunga volcano red alert
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00107634 = 0.5672 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 535 @ 0.00105005 = 0.5618 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu pity handle turns the entire thing into such a sad pro-govt piece << no surprises here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'international directorate of date rape'
asciilifeform chokes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 6.26743460 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
kakobrekla performs heimlich maneuver on asciilifeform
asciilifeform spits out more lulz
kakobrekla: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00063836 = 5.3303 BTC [+]
TomServo: !up SuchWow
kakobrekla: lol not this again
TomServo: sorry, I couldn't resist
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maryland excepted. i have nfi idea what it's even for << it's where they keep ft. meade. (largest employer, largest consumer of mains current, per public stats.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu they also have many other similar шарашкаs here; in most cases, readily spotted with the naked eye on account of the highly-ritualized architectural style.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.) ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00063841 = 5.235 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well.
chetty: asciilifeform, got any opinion on that lovely little volcano?
asciilifeform: chetty: looks like a potential rehash of '10.
chetty: If this one actually blows its likely to be bigger, I think
danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: heya Daniel
danielpbarron: hello :D
BlueMeanie4: so how do buy options/futures?
danielpbarron: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4
assbot: Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BlueMeanie4: is there some kind of docs for this?
BlueMeanie4: my works on altchain describe how to do options/futures/bonds using a block chain
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
BlueMeanie4: ah ok
BlueMeanie4: danke
danielpbarron: you're welcome
BlueMeanie4: has anyone tried to build a more usable interface to this?
danielpbarron: I think it's come up, but I don't think it gets more usable than this.
danielpbarron: irc is a great catalyst for WoT related activities
BlueMeanie4: well you could expand the markets for these instruments
BlueMeanie4: maybe usable for you- a techie :) :) :)
danielpbarron: it is a useful barrier to entry
danielpbarron: keeps out the undesirables
BlueMeanie4: lol ok
BlueMeanie4: ok so read that WOT page- doesnt describe the instruments
danielpbarron: do you have a PGP key?
BlueMeanie4: sure
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, [eregister]
gribble: BlueMeanie4, (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)
danielpbarron: more
danielpbarron: ;;more
gribble: passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/500347361726857216
assbot: /hashtag/BTER?src=hash got hacked, hacker stole 5% of all /hashtag/NXT?src=hash. hacker sending ransom demands to BTER team using the NXT /hashtag/blockchain?src=hash: https://t.co/7mdXkp2lL4
BlueMeanie4: ok dont have time to do this right now
danielpbarron: it can also be done with a Bitcoin address
BlueMeanie4: Dbarron- you like that tweet? :)
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, [bcregister]
gribble: BlueMeanie4, (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, ya
BlueMeanie4: haha were you around when all that crap happened?
BlueMeanie4: im far too honest for the crypto world
BlueMeanie4: NXT isnt secure- theyre addressing some important ideas that have been floating around for a while- but not doing it securely or faithfully
danielpbarron: then you will get along well here
BlueMeanie4: great, I've been reading Mircea Popescu lately- enjoy his writings
BlueMeanie4: cant say how accurate they are though
BlueMeanie4: this is interesting : http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/
assbot: How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: this is precisely the issue they were having at NXT. People issuing ponzi assets, in particular jl777
BlueMeanie4: no reporting or filing standards at all.
BlueMeanie4: so I wanted to introduce them in a package called 'Virtual Corporations' which were a crypto way of having trustees over accounts and few other features
BlueMeanie4: so it looks like Mircea has the vision, just doesnt have the technology developed
danielpbarron: what are you talking about?
BlueMeanie4: not sure if these things are particularly associated with this channel...
BlueMeanie4: could be off topic
danielpbarron: nothing is off-topic as long as it's well said
BlueMeanie4: ok so what are you not following?
danielpbarron: what technology isn't developed?
BlueMeanie4: ill take a closer look at it
BlueMeanie4: we were looking at way to automate rating and a format to index securities and such
BlueMeanie4: in particular i find crypto-bond markets interesting
danielpbarron: what do you think of counterparty? (XCP)
BlueMeanie4: generally warm to it, but i think piggybacking the block chain is ultimately doomed
BlueMeanie4: also some of their metaphors for finance are irregular, weird, and possibly broken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9912 @ 0.00063842 = 6.328 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: why do you think piggybacking the blockchain is doomed? do you mean the devs will nix it?
BlueMeanie4: its a complex subject, we explored all this stuff during the color coins discussions
Apocalyptic: <BlueMeanie4> NXT isnt secure // is NXT the PoS thing ?
Apocalyptic: if so it's inherently insecure yeah, mainly because you can "mine" at any point in the chain,without committing ressources
Apocalyptic: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: obviously this isnt the place for a friendly chat- you can PM me if you want
asciilifeform: punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvqYNQ5IcAAAvB7.jpg:large << far better, https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradkelly/5998485106
assbot: Is your washroom breeding Bolsheviks? #papertowels #advertising | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising
asciilifeform: ^ first saw that one on a wall in school! (u.s. school; history class)
Apocalyptic: BlueMeanie4, why do you say that ? it is, as long as you have something interesting to say people will !up you
BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother? ☟︎
asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips.
Apocalyptic: BlueMeanie4, it's a bot
BlueMeanie4: oh is it?
BlueMeanie4: i feel better now :) lol
danielpbarron: you get 30 minutes of voice per !up
BlueMeanie4: i guess ill try to be more concise. Mirceau's blog makes me want to learn Romanian.
BlueMeanie4: the writing is spectacular :)
Apocalyptic: yeah Mircea knows how to write indeed
Apocalyptic: though truffles would argue
BlueMeanie4: ha it reminds me of yiddush literature very similar
BingoBoingo: ;;seen truffles
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
chetty: good news is he doesn't write in Romanian anymore, all English these days
BlueMeanie4: ya the way he uses english is just brilliant
asciilifeform: the other good news is that it is possible to learn languages.
asciilifeform: some folks will warn you that this requires lost ancient technology - don't believe.
BlueMeanie4: romanian is a odd one
BlueMeanie4: acsii lol
chetty: odd and hard
Apocalyptic: ascii, it is, but from a certain age it becomes exponentially difficult to master ir
Apocalyptic: *it
asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you got a point
asciilifeform: just be sure never to confess to knowing a language - or people might speak it to you, and that'll be a little like work.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any folks here living in u.s. colonies (read: nato) are welcome to comment re: whether such brutalist monstrosities blot your landscape as well. << Scattered throughout the towns on the West side of Scott Airforce base in the Metro east are low rise versions of this
BlueMeanie4: plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> Apocalyptic: This is why I use booze to keep my brain supple // how well does that work ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're traditionally 1-3 floors. make life a little harder for kgb binoculars, or whatnot.
BlueMeanie4: 1-3 floors so they dont have to have an elevator
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> plus you can pretend you dont understand their insults << This is the benefit of having at least vulgar familiarity in a 3rd language
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 100% have elevators. 'disability act' compliance.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The dominant form here are vaguely labeled or unlabeled office parks for businesses whose customers rarely visit
BlueMeanie4: BB: where is here?
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: The portion of Illinois well spaced away from Chiraq
asciilifeform once had the good fortune to visit just such a 'park.' inside: mildly refinished warehouse, with plentiful cubicles and many hanging models of satellites; on the walls, hanging mementos of the 'glorious reagan years' - 'this floppy contains our first flown firmware!' and more in that spirit.
BlueMeanie4: think: beige
asciilifeform: they even sent a stereotypical woman to prepare stereotypical coffee, and served it on a bar, lifted straight from a 1950s american tv scene.
chetty: I once worked in an office where one of the guys painted windows on the walls ...
BlueMeanie4: would you rather have one of those ultra-modern offices complete with ping pong table and espresso machine to ensure you spend every waking hour there?
asciilifeform also saw that kind.
BingoBoingo: It's just odd driving through a suburban residential neighborhood and passing the squat dentist looking office park and seeing a Northrop Grumman sign
BlueMeanie4: yes clearly these old modes of civilization in the us are decomposing fast
asciilifeform: grumman dentist needs office too. lined with cork, for the screams of the 'patients.'
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/14BQA16.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
asciilifeform: (as pictured in film 'brazil')
BlueMeanie4: spent a week wandering the polish countryside, interesting experience
asciilifeform: arbeit macht frei.
BlueMeanie4: more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"
chetty: <BlueMeanie4> more appropriate: "vodka macht frei"//+++
chetty: !up BlueMeanie4
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682 ☟︎
assbot: This is what happens when non-tech people discover web developer tools http://t.co/LGlzHGxWvh
BlueMeanie4: click the blue E
chetty: BingoBoingo, omg that gives me flashbacks when everywhere you looked was frontpage generated stuffs ....:(
BingoBoingo: Frontpage was so bad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no surprises here. << not sure what his story is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform architectural style. << this is such a lol, because yes they do it, it's almost as if trying to copy own glory moments resulting in cheap tourist shop replicas. just... why!
mircea_popescu: whole place looks like latter day rome on this account. forum this, baths that, bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: http://peaceandmarkets.com/2014/08/24/cheat-on-bitcoin-with-hyper-itll-be-your-loss/
assbot: Cheat on Bitcoin with HYPER? It’ll be Your Loss | Peace and Markets
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 700.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.28 TH/s
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 233849.46 in 1781 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.55
BingoBoingo: http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/08/21/high-school-student-arrested-for-writing-story-about-shooting-dinosaur/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.0006377 = 8.924 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=749980.0
assbot: Proof of dishonesty and lies from Gawminers.com Hashlet Ponzi Scheme Scam
BingoBoingo: https://flexhash.com/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01029999 = 0.824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00063678 = 18.2119 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure what his story is << herr handle is a u.s. army officer, now working at a not-too-hard-to-guess-which world-famous bureaucracy.
asciilifeform: (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323&cpage=1#comment-7376 << that bureau.)
mircea_popescu: bonano crime fambly ?
asciilifeform: nsano crime family
mircea_popescu: lol. in every remaining competent bureaucrat there's an intelligent person captive, struggling to get free.
mircea_popescu: at least, that's what his piece brings to mind.
mircea_popescu: an' with that, i'll be off to meet people and things. later dear chan!
asciilifeform off to cook severe coffee, for conversion into mathematics
assbot: Guevara246 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
TomServo: !up guevara246
guevara246: Hey, I have a question regarding P2SH and timelocked transactions: in a use case where a client is purchasing a good or service using a 2 of 3 multisig scheme, can a timelocked transaction be broadcast to the network and invalidated by a second transaction, signed by the same agents, sending outputs to a different address?
guevara246: the rationale being applied to chargeback and fraud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00063859 = 6.9926 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ck9mDub
assbot: The Return of Windowcat - Imgur
fluffypony: YAY!
fluffypony: Satoshi's buddy
fluffypony: I mean
fluffypony: usagi's buddy
fluffypony: SuchWow
fluffypony: I mean such typo
fluffypony: complete typo, sorry SuchWow
TomServo: Now you had better !up him, in case he should care to comment.
asciilifeform: untameable but highly useful animal.
TomServo: asciilifeform: Is that the cat that killed the defective bird?
asciilifeform: TomServo: the very same.
TomServo: Useful indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9421 @ 0.00063578 = 5.9897 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0006346 = 4.3787 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell guevara246 this is a problem I was working on. even with a single sig a timelocked transaction can be double spent if it another valid transaction is broadcasted and accepted before the timelock expires the original transaction becomes expired
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: becomes invalidated*
thestringpuller: it's weird how this issue hasn't been addressed more in use cases since there is no way to really set up a trust fund of sorts with time-delayed transactions without the risk of the beneficiary double spending
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0006354 = 3.9077 BTC [+]
TomServo: $depth mpoe
empyex: TomServo: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=6 Or use a valid MPSIC!
kakobrekla: >Providing you with financials only provides grist for your complaint mill, and gives you more to moan about. So that's not a priority.
hanbot: ;;later tell BingoBoingo Is it just me or does hanbot blog with an unstated anger and foreboding that seldom comes through in mircea_popescu posts because mircea_popescu need not give a fuck << you sayin' i give too many fucks? is that what you're sayin'? like what, like i'm an angry foreboder, here to amuse you?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: asciilifeform is windowcat watching you tinkerbate?