BingoBoingo: Fuck it bedtime. Hopefully news stops happening for long enough while I sleep for qntra to come back so I can catch up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17775 @ 0.00054066 = 9.6102 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up TheEarthVolta
jurov: !up BTCTM
jurov: BTCTM: BTC-TC coming back from the dead?
kakobrekla: wheres the connection?
jurov: i'm asking if there is any connection
kakobrekla: based on nick length?
jurov: nm, lame joke
kakobrekla: oh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00054221 = 7.5909 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: length is a good nick to have.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325506 << classic 'theft of theft'. search in ciphered text is a 1990s result.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 23:50:20; BingoBoingo: And more homomorphs http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/11/16/2129258/microsoft-to-provide-new-encryption-algorithm-for-the-healthcare-sector
asciilifeform: but now the 'innovatorz!!111111111!!11' can claim it.
asciilifeform: because divine right of fucktards (tm) or something.
mircea_popescu: "a result" that's not used is not actually a result.
asciilifeform: does it count if i used it? l0l
asciilifeform: or does it have to be on the red square, publicly, with cameras rolling and anthems playing.
mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3sy7vg/buying_100000_in_btc_with_credit_cards_fleeing/ << meanwhile the sheeple are even starting to figure it out.
assbot: Buying $100,000 in BTC with credit cards, fleeing country : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5smC3 )
asciilifeform: 'In a story by the New York Times, later removed without explanation [archive], the situation in Paris was used to reignite the encryption debate.' << l0lz
mircea_popescu: check it out alf, you were here for three years, will be left holding the abandoned pieces of a usg that even the last of the class of public highschool long leeched.
asciilifeform: perhaps i can put it in the garden as compost or something
mircea_popescu: perhaps tyou can be sold at auction to pay its debts.
asciilifeform: i think i was sold already
asciilifeform: what's csoonline anyway ?
mircea_popescu: no idea.
asciilifeform: (they use archive.is ...)
asciilifeform: qntra-style
asciilifeform: waitasec
asciilifeform: that wasn't a straight rip of qntra, was it
asciilifeform: ???
asciilifeform hasn't seen the last 2 or 3 qntras on account of ddos
mircea_popescu: "that". what ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325516 <<☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 23:53:33; BingoBoingo: And Tor is unsafer than ever http://www.csoonline.com/article/3004648/security-awareness/after-paris-isis-moves-propaganda-machine-to-darknet.html
asciilifeform: possibly the paragraph was lifted ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325547 << afaik nobody sells with creditcard except for toy amounts☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:16:02; mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3sy7vg/buying_100000_in_btc_with_credit_cards_fleeing/ << meanwhile the sheeple are even starting to figure it out.
asciilifeform: not because schmucks will run to antarctica, but - elementarily - because anyone running cc for coin gets buried under an ocean of carders and the inevitable chargebacks
mircea_popescu: if you have a cc you can do a wire.
mircea_popescu: if you can do a wire you can buy bitcoin.
asciilifeform: aha but it counts as 'cash forward' in usa
asciilifeform: the credit limit for these is typically much lower than the card's 'proper' one
mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do.
asciilifeform: normally <$1k
mircea_popescu: end of story, really.
mircea_popescu: no ifs or butts about it. the less you steal, the more is there for your neighbour to steal.
mircea_popescu: they WILL steal it.
asciilifeform: afaik the correct way to steal it is with straight cash loans (e.g. 'remortgage' etc)
mircea_popescu: exactly like last legs of soviets. every screw you didn't steal, someone else did.
asciilifeform: cards ain't it
asciilifeform: (or the monkeys would be cleaning it out)
mircea_popescu: there was no heaven and no benefit for the mass of losers that stole last.
asciilifeform: not even american monkeys, but ru carders
mircea_popescu: no, the monkeys aren't cleanning it out because mental issues. of this sort.
mircea_popescu: they are working at it.
asciilifeform: if indeed this is so, buterin must have one hell of a waterfall to keep the price three figures
mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
jurov: mircea_popescu: can i exchange you 1 btc for 1k eur next time then?
mircea_popescu: ok.
jurov: or for 10 euro, whatever
mircea_popescu: methinks you got the wrong direction.
jurov: :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: price isn't a scalar
asciilifeform: the price on the web site happens to be the one ~i would get if i sold my pittance~
asciilifeform: so for me, yes, it is the price.
asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu buying 100,000 btc for swiss franks - price is something else, yes.
mircea_popescu: price is "300 or whatever" for nickle and dime deals which are mostly predicated on "don't make it too hard for noobs / wild eyed youths to get into bitcoin".
asciilifeform: 'Mike Morell, former deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency, opened the door for more fighting about encryption by stating that a public debate was needed. "We have in a sense had a public debate. That -- that debate was defined by Edward Snowden, right, and the concern about privacy. I think we're now going to have another debate about that. It's going to be defined by what happened in Paris," he said.' <<< ahahah
asciilifeform: ahaha reichstag l0lz
asciilifeform: motherfucking corpses not even cold
asciilifeform: and we have it already.
mircea_popescu: ru carder with 10 mn is not getting 3k btc, that's for sure. nor does he want it.
mircea_popescu: nor is his purchase reflected by coinbase reporting.
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: so then your "<asciilifeform> not even american monkeys, but ru carders " line has 0 to do.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : like in 1986 su, in 2015 us if you don't steal yourself, your neighbour will.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know that the 'official' price is a fiction. but this was not the evidence for my hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: it's being slowly emptied.
asciilifeform: which was that the cards simply happen not to be the vehicle for said emptying.
mircea_popescu: and it'll get faster and faster.
asciilifeform: (at least not in the form they exist on this side of the atlantic)
mircea_popescu: errything not bolted down, really. if you can steal it, you gotta steal it.
asciilifeform: rather it'll be something like 'buy mercedes on credit in usd, sell for btc to some idiot'
asciilifeform: the separation between 'chargebackable' usd and the proper kind on cc is older than bitcoin, and originally existed to keep schmucks from paying off one card with another
asciilifeform: (which would in effect be a zero-interest loan and 'nobody wants this!!1111')
asciilifeform: and yes, anything that is not bolted down, will be stolen. and whatever ~is~ bolted down, will be sawed off
mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/3swirx/ach_payments_payee_able_to_have_last_3_payments/ << pretty lulzy stuff, at that.
assbot: ACH payments, payee able to have last 3 payments returned simply by claiming they are fraudulent? : Entrepreneur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSaNBl )
asciilifeform: 'ach' is a kind of faux 'wire' we have in usaschwitz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only way you're selling that is if you drive it across the border.
asciilifeform: aha how else
asciilifeform: and/or parts.
asciilifeform: same way other stolen cars are disposed of.
mircea_popescu: i think by 95 every russian chick under 20 with boobs bigger than her mom and standing above 1.80 naked had sucked at least one cock in a mercedes that was acquired in just this way.
asciilifeform thought that sucking ~in~ the car, literally, was a thing impoverished usians did
asciilifeform finds the politics of creditcardism interesting because it is one of the places where bezzle meets actual physical reality, and the interface between the two produces some lulzy effects
mircea_popescu: myeah. the thing's visibly cancerous.
asciilifeform: folks have built, briefly, 'arse-mouth systems' in the past:
asciilifeform: at one point, iirc, the usa mint 'sold' coins using cc
asciilifeform: so a few schmucks bought'em, then deposited, paid the cc bill, and pocketed the 1-5% 'reward points'
asciilifeform: netting a few 100k usd each.
asciilifeform: or so the story went.
asciilifeform: (the hole was closed, suggesting that there was an element of truth)
mircea_popescu: myahap we see a redefinition of "consumer credit" to "only real estates and worthless chinese crap. you can't buy a plane, or a shipment of cocoa"
asciilifeform: almost there even now.
mircea_popescu: headed that way for a whiole now, EXACTLY under the pressure of "worthless dollars"
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: back in 1985 you could open a store with the stock on credit.
mircea_popescu: today... glwt.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325619 << oh, i parsed that as "ach, my unsinkable ship got sunkened"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:37:25; asciilifeform: 'ach' is a kind of faux 'wire' we have in usaschwitz
asciilifeform: as a student i once tried to put tuition on a cc (to claim the 'reward pts' naturally) and even this caused grumbling
asciilifeform: notice how gateways which potentially convert cc-usd to benjie-usd (e.g., 'paypal', 'square', the 1,001 spampaypals) tend to have ~very~ fascist controls)
asciilifeform: e.g., month-long withdrawal delays, etc
adlai got his internet bezzle revoked
adlai: it's fine, irl plastic works like a champ. makes me feel part of the printing press itself
asciilifeform: adlai: kicked out of paypal ?
adlai: not quite kicked out, but 'not invited to return'
adlai hopes paypal doesn't negrate him too now
asciilifeform: that'd be something
asciilifeform: can't wait for hitler to join the wot, rate people...
adlai: they let me withdraw fiat to a bank account, chargeback happened, i tried topping up the account with cc because aforementioned bank account was unavailable... and once the last cc charge went through, they locked the account
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325602 << incidentally what's to stop the fella with the 10m from sybilling into a herd of 1,001 schmucks who buy at 300 ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:31:54; mircea_popescu: ru carder with 10 mn is not getting 3k btc, that's for sure. nor does he want it.
adlai sighs and reads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920116 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25272 @ 0.00053885 = 13.6178 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: if the mircea_popescu-price were so much higher than the 300 plebe-price, one would see orgies of sybilling ?
asciilifeform: what am i missing ?
adlai: << Purse CEO Andrew Lee: ‘People Will Learn to Use Bitcoin Just for Our Discounts’ >>
asciilifeform: adlai: the buggers don't like bleeding money any more than you and i
asciilifeform: you poked a hole, they plugged it.
asciilifeform: simple.
adlai: this niche has emerged... so purse get closed, then its the turn of sheep and evolution
adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00052779 / 0.00053339 / 0.00054222 (362458 shares, 193.33 BTC), 7D: 0.00048633 / 0.00053409 / 0.00057294 (4466365 shares, 2,385.45 BTC), 30D: 0.00048485 / 0.00054042 / 0.00057294 (53375217 shares, 28,845.31 BTC)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally what's to stop the fella <<< last time someone tried this (not even 1k) was last week.
mircea_popescu: you saw what happened.
mircea_popescu: the usg version of reality works fine for just as long nobody leans on it. like all cardboard.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: what i was wondering is why the leaning is as light as it is.
asciilifeform: why not same thing ~every~ week ?
kakobrekla: i just saw 1k btc buy order market price got filled
mircea_popescu: you ask me that ? i ask you that!
kakobrekla: like 1 minute ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla on mtgox ?
kakobrekla: the cans
adlai: MtWinx
mircea_popescu: point remains.
kakobrekla: for 1k nah. for 10k maybe.
adlai: except not quite market price, there
mircea_popescu: im not doing a numeric discussion.
asciilifeform: i suppose the trick would be to drink no faster than the waterfall refills
kakobrekla: adlai maybe so, but not 500.
mircea_popescu: you and the other 1k wanna-be bankers (or rather, wanna-stay bankers) trying this.
asciilifeform: aha it'd be as likely as lice coming to an agreement to drink this-much blood
asciilifeform: and no more
asciilifeform: (do lice have... quorum-sensing ?!! like bacteria?)
adlai: economies of scale don't, um, scale
mircea_popescu: the saudis pretend so
mircea_popescu: except it never worked in practice, but hey
mircea_popescu: actually, this would be useful for a change economics research. obviously lice agreement on lice-ing only works provided the largest lice is cutting his own throat. but by what factor ?
asciilifeform: iirc the game theory folks bashed their heads raw against this for half a century
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform aficionado
kakobrekla: the diff between 1k and 10k would be the diff between buying chinese crap and buying a plane, if you dont like numbers.
mircea_popescu: 1k is a cessna ; 10k is a coupla of good condition yugo jets.
asciilifeform: and 100k is the coke machine.
kakobrekla: you can get cessna on credit no?
mircea_popescu: try an' see.
asciilifeform: for some value of 'you'
kakobrekla: l0l
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: hm
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325587 << thank you☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:24:21; mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
kakobrekla: down here also
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325590 << learn to take OK for an answer!!!!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:26:33; jurov: or for 10 euro, whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0005302 = 4.5067 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's been down since the prev discussion.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15616 @ 0.00054001 = 8.4328 BTC [-]
liquidassets: Ever feel a heartbeat in your spine MP?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00054221 = 6.5336 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00054001 = 8.9642 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: liquidassets: is this an lsd thing...?
liquidassets: Aha! totally asciilifeform
liquidassets: I mean, were you always so sure of yourself?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
liquidassets: love it, ok right, because there is right and there is wrong correct?
liquidassets: asciilifeform what kind of liquid assets did you think I have?
asciilifeform: how'd i know
liquidassets: Easier than gutting the griffin I suppose
trinque: !up TheEarthVolta
trinque: your IP already connected, not much point in using a vpn... lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00054221 = 13.8264 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00054223 = 23.9395 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up TheEarthVolta
mircea_popescu: in today's tardstalk replacement, http://bluemoonroleplaying.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=24
assbot: Blue Moon Roleplaying Forums - Blue Moon Academy ... ( http://bit.ly/1SULFiH )
asciilifeform: 'Rioting. does it actually effect change? / Male Privilege and Female Stigma / Is the Justice System Failing? / Obligation to shave legs and one's choice of hoisery. / Trigger Warnings - Courtesy or Avoidance? / "Owning" E-books / Gender and Sexuality Shaming at its Worst'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu where did you unearth this zoo ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.projectwonderful.com/?tag=112582 <
assbot: Project Wonderful makes advertising awesome! ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUMS9H )
mircea_popescu: they have an entire list of ... well, stuff scraped off the bottom of the web.
asciilifeform goes back to the pressurized bathyscaph where this doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to think "oh, there's nothing special about reddit/tardstalk/whatever. they're all like that."
mircea_popescu: it's another thing to be able to verify in practice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35152 @ 0.00054143 = 19.0323 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: http://www.people.com/article/charlie-sheen-hiv-positive-could-exes-sue
assbot: Charlie Sheen HIV: Legal Experts on Possibility of His Exes Suing Him : People.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUNsnR )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00053804 = 12.913 BTC [-]
punkman: http://pseudoerasmus.com/2015/10/04/ce/
assbot: Where do pro-social institutions come from? | Pseudoerasmus ... ( http://bit.ly/1X3Ns5p )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16078 @ 0.00053741 = 8.6405 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31090 @ 0.00053623 = 16.6714 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00053266 = 29.1099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00053091 = 20.3339 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.0005302 = 17.0724 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00053261 = 19.0408 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: "One young lady informed me that I was being hurtful. That’s the new word for those who lack the intellectual resources to fight back. Hypersensitivity is the surest sign of mediocrity." >> http://epmonthly.com/article/are-you-liable-the-truth-about-apps/
assbot: Are you Liable: The Truth About APPs - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPcwf8 )
punkman: BingoBoingo: what the hell is an Advanced Practice Practicioner?
punkman: err Provider
BingoBoingo: punkman: A not doctor who does doctor work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00053013 = 5.2218 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00052986 = 10.0938 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.2checkout.com/blog/article/bitcoin-101-the-invisible-uninsurable-currency-of-the-internet-is-still-kic/
mircea_popescu: (obscure bitpay-for-paypal opines on things on matters.)
punkman: they process card and other payments themselves iirc
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.
mircea_popescu: they own a chunk of the fed, do nightly settlement or what do you mean "themselves"
punkman: like other card payment processors that are not banks?
punkman: "Social game maker Zynga has created BitPay, a Bitcoin payment processor, which is currently offered for select games such as Farmville 2 and Castleville. "
punkman: zynga made bitpay now?
mircea_popescu: so not-themselves. so "bitpay for paypal". k.
mircea_popescu: lol did they actually invest something ?
punkman: 2checkout doesn't push their card payments through paypal, so it's more like alt-paypal. people would use them because they'd allow idiots.
punkman: (and idiots from countries that paypal wouldn't take)
mircea_popescu: sounds more like the reverse. people wouldn't give out their ccv to random outfit so they "support paypal".
mircea_popescu: that way they can sell "business processing" to merchants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00053438 = 21.6424 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: 2checkout down to 2.4% +$.3 per tx huh, used to be 2-3 times that
punkman: guess they must have cranked up the "anti-fraud" machines
mircea_popescu: what's paypak rake, 2-3% iirc ?
punkman: and more
punkman: letting paypal do the currency conversion usually sucks
mircea_popescu: i guess maybe you're right, wannabe-paypal. unless this is this a case of hidden fees
punkman: lol right "A 1.5% fee applies to payments you accept from customers outside of X"
punkman: (where x any country you choose)
mircea_popescu: mmkay.
mircea_popescu: and for our Idiots Galore rubric, here's a "datacenter" : http://www.abdatacenter.com/
assbot: AB Datacenter ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSPDmJ )
mircea_popescu: apparently they got confused as to the difference between "datacenter" and "website trying to push a movie someone made in cad3d about a duke nukem modmap."
mircea_popescu: granted, an easy mistake to make in this day and age.
punkman: turkey?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: "All our servers are running on 100% renewable energy. By choosing green services you can help to prevent the climate change." << speaking of "idiot signal", here's an easy way to lose business : put that on your site.
mircea_popescu: !rated naphex
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punkman: http://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/10/24/szabo-china/
assbot: Chinese workers were cheaper than English horses | Pseudoerasmus ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVCluO )
mircea_popescu: historical fact afaik. which is how they got to their present kickass position.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.)
mircea_popescu: the principal driver of inequality between europe (not "the west", the us is not included in this discussion as it doesn't fucking matter or even exist for most of it) is the stupidity of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
mircea_popescu: in particular the chinese had sketches of the helicopter in the roman times, as opposed to da vinci's re-roman times. they had alchemy plain and proper a millenium before the euros. but hey, chinese "gentlemen" are too delicate to touch earths.
mircea_popescu: fuck, even the greeks had the steam engine and used it to make toys and party tricks. exactly like the chinese use of gunpoweder.
mircea_popescu: and even today, the only reason they're doing anything is because they're trying to copy what they perceive as superior. that's it and that's all, without europe around to direly humiliate them, china would still be pretty satisfiedly pulling carts by hand etc.
punkman: "contemplate the immortality of laziness." << relevant bit from some other comment thread on that blog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_equilibrium_trap
assbot: High-level equilibrium trap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVEoPx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13267 @ 0.00053309 = 7.0725 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah, a society that makes "balance" its goal will necessarily stagnate.
mircea_popescu: just like a society that makes "the elimination of all inconvenience, from murder to doctor telling you you're fat" its goal will negessarily get raped.
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no "high level of scientific achievement" in china as proposed by that wikipedia. because "social sciences" are not sciences.
mircea_popescu: there was a high level of pseudointellectual masturbation, sure, much like in today's us. similarly then, mit educated chitlins could not light a lightbulb, but could pseudointelligently discuss "the types" of feminism as if that were a thing, somehow.
davout: guten tag assets
kakobrekla: moaning
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: another path into this issue would be the concept of "adversarial individuality". hola davout. to support a large empire (large defined in the sense of, stretched at the seams of communication abilities, to the point it struggles to maintain itself, a la romans) you require a certain mentality in the subjects. let's call it, in modern terminology, "inclusive", "cooperative" and whatnot other "good" feelers.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00053584 = 1.7415 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://metrocosm.com/the-global-extremes-of-population-density/
assbot: The Global Extremes of Population Density | Metrocosm ... ( http://bit.ly/1N905gh )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0005361 = 8.7384 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUA1BxiW4AALdQV.jpg:large waterproofing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N91fs9 )
mircea_popescu: anyway gotta say that was a pretty good blog earlier punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00053238 = 14.4275 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: I thought so, but I get information overload trying to read some of those posts. maybe footnotes would make it flow better.
mircea_popescu: never thought i'd live to see the day people miss the footnotes.
mircea_popescu: STRUCTURED TEXT!!! ftw.
adlai hands mircea_popescu a copy of Infinite Jest
punkman: as long as we don't end up with cargo-cult footnoting
adlai: and footy notes have footer footer notes...
mircea_popescu: wait, wallace died ?!
funkenstein_: mornin' y'all. Some food for trolls here, they detect zero days that's nice but not using green energy: https://www.zemana.com/AntiLogger
assbot: Zemana AntiLogger - Identity Theft Prevention at its Best ... ( http://bit.ly/1N92QOC )
mircea_popescu: killed himself even. had no idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00053613 = 3.2168 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: while trying to finish a book about IRS workers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00052955 = 12.365 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7569 @ 0.00053613 = 4.058 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: pretty dead here
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325802 << al schwartz understood this very well, and had some riotously hilarious essays on subj☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:58:55; mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00053001 = 8.7717 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/a-most-convenient-massacre.html << mega-orlol
assbot: ClubOrlov: A Most Convenient Massacre ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4LOAm )
asciilifeform: 'Note that after the Russian jet crashed in the Sinai there weren't all that many Facebook avatars with the Russian flag pasted over them, and hardly any candlelight vigils or piles of wreaths and flowers in various Western capitals. I even detected a whiff of smug satisfaction that the Russians got their comeuppance for stepping out of line in Syria. Why the difference in reaction? Simple: you were told to grieve for the Fren
asciilifeform: ch, so you did. You were not told to grieve for the Russians, and so you didn't. Don't feel bad; you are just following orders. The reasoning behind these orders is transparent: the French, along with the rest of the EU, are Washington's willing puppets; therefore, they are innocent, and when they get killed, it's a tragedy. But the Russians are not Washington's willing puppet, and are not innocent, and so when they get killed
asciilifeform: by terrorists, it's punishment.'
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: which is why the good or bad will of the army of meat carries no particular value one way or the other
shinohai: gm #b-a
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00052932 = 3.5464 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 335.5, Best ask: 335.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 335.5, 24 hour volume: 37744.99071556, 24 hour low: 322.52, 24 hour high: 342.5, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: asciilifeform: even most russians i know have facebook french flags atm...
punkman: heh
jurov: accordign to arlov and alf, no one even farts without orders from washington
jurov: *orlov
jurov: dunno why he did not get any explicit orders, then
punkman: plane going down is closer to "act of god" and less scary, compared to a person that hates you and will shoot you in the face while you are having coffee at starbucks
jurov: oh he actually got an order to stay put and don't leave, i get it now
punkman: plus derps ain't got money to fly foo!
jurov: well, there's also the killing in beirut (and others) no one ordered people to grieve on
mircea_popescu: social media grieving stands with grief about in the same relationship instagram pictures stand with food.
mircea_popescu: "salt, and blowing up the whites."
shinohai: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-news/32882-third-wi-fi-mesh-router-launches <<< 2 useless products for the price of one! :D
assbot: Third Wi-Fi Mesh Router Launches - SmallNetBuilder ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lk6oWH )
BingoBoingo: http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/critical-environment/data-center-fire-kills-internet-in-azerbaijan/95227.article
assbot: Data center fire kills Internet in Azerbaijan | News | DatacenterDynamics ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTNM4V )
liquidassets: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
liquidassets: hmm? not for me
mircea_popescu: you're not worthy!
liquidassets: fuck me in the fuck, cmon I've been here for awhile...
liquidassets: I got like at least 8000 MP credits left
BingoBoingo: !up whaack
whaack: http://i.imgur.com/nYokdoN.png << Circle went from $100 in "BTC" to MIT students to $5 in fiat
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAGfby )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325859 << there are miscreants who fart without written authorization from hitler! me, for instance. while mircea_popescu takes entire shits without so much as oral permission from His Reptilian Majesty...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 17:18:47; jurov: accordign to arlov and alf, no one even farts without orders from washington
jurov: yes, cuz you have other directions
trinque: whaack: what's this; they built the sign such that she doesn't even have to hold it?!
whaack: http://i.imgur.com/ux7czO0.png << Old Circle interface on top, new one on the bottom.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAHt6P )
ascii_field: jurov: aha, i'm under standing orders to loaf around and look maximally ridiculous
jurov: and to never ever move out of the US
ascii_field: naturally
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325868 << l0l what's this, the mcaffee shitbox revived ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 17:51:45; shinohai: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-news/32882-third-wi-fi-mesh-router-launches <<< 2 useless products for the price of one! :D
ascii_field: or a rerun of 'fon' ?
ascii_field: or the usgization of mircea_popescu's esp8266 thing
whaack: trinque: Yeah they have some stick in their back, there's another huge rectangular one that looks even funnier.
ascii_field: (speaking of which, i have a crate of esp8266 here gathering dust)
punkman: if she's not even gonna hold the sign, maybe sign should end in buttplug
trinque: can't even have the amusing humiliation of the bored sign-flipping with this setup
BingoBoingo: http://www.insidesources.com/new-york-times-article-blaming-encryption-paris-attacks/
assbot: Times Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Terror Attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAIhbH )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: see last night's thread re: same
whaack: http://i.imgur.com/sVjVgOW.png << Rectangular one
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SAIqfs )
ascii_field: 'The Times later posted a second article citing an anonymous “European counterterrorism official” who was quoted saying authorities’ “working assumption is that these guys were very security aware,” but clarified officials “offered no evidence.”'
ascii_field: '“’The most difficult communication between these terrorists is via PlayStation 4,’ the minister said, three days before the terrorist attacks in Paris. ‘It’s very, very difficult for our services — not only Belgian services but international services — to decrypt the communication that is done via PlayStation 4.'”'
ascii_field: ^^ wat?!
trinque: so they knew something was up, but they didn't because of encryption.
ascii_field: on playstation.
trinque lets the dissonance flow through him
punkman: maybe they were exchanging messages by digging holes in minecraft
ascii_field: or via farts between adjacent public toilet stalls
ascii_field: time for mandatory butt plugz with fart escrow backdoors ??
ascii_field: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
trinque: clearly math itself must be banned
punkman: I bet there's some USG agent going "undercover" on middle-eastern minecraft servers
ascii_field: punkman: this was actually leaked at one point
ascii_field: (though iirc it was 'warcraft')
trinque: pretty great scam for whoever the "agent" was
trinque: myeah, haven't found anyone yet boss, but don't worry, I'm levelin!
punkman: ascii_field: hmm that does ring a bell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00052932 = 6.3783 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: speaking of buttplug signage, i'm kind-of surprised inside-of-bra advertising hasn't caught off.
mircea_popescu: whenever you peel garments off a bosomy beauty it's 50-50 you'll see some sort of textile pattern embedded in the tender flesh.
mircea_popescu: how come not "nike!"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought this was already a thing?
ascii_field: iirc the ancient greeks had whore ads in sandal soles
mircea_popescu: aha.
ascii_field: (the tracks would bring you straight to the 'porneion'
ascii_field: )
mircea_popescu: any pimp worth his salt tattoos relevant phone #s in ho's soles. you never know when she goes viral.
mircea_popescu: poon intended.
punkman: http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzEwLzI4LzMxL3BsdWdzY3VscHR1Ljg4YWM0LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/149878d5/a25/plugsculpture1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SANn7T )
punkman: po-mo christmas tree
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00052932 = 22.3902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00053036 = 17.4754 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13224 @ 0.00052916 = 6.9976 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUCXMj4VEAAv7IH.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9BdoA )
punkman: http://nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-1511/msg00050.html
assbot: <nettime> Hidden Hands ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9BwzF )
mircea_popescu: in other new york times news, http://nypost.com/2015/11/17/newlyweds-accused-of-killing-her-rapist-eating-his-genitals/
assbot: Groom discovers bride isn't a virgin, eats genitals of her rapist | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9BBDC )
davout: nothing like some fried g
davout: enitals to cure a heartache
mircea_popescu: i wonder how you cook rival penis
hanbot: shishkacock, naturally
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: If next month with nuts roasting over an open fire
shinohai: http://news.yahoo.com/nigerian-professor-claims-to-have-solved-150444442.html?orly
assbot: Nigerian Professor Claims To Have Solved 156-Year-Old Maths Problem, Which Carries $1Million Prize - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9DXCm )
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Does this professor need your banking information to safely get the prize money out of Nigeria?
shinohai: Most likely BingoBoingo
shinohai: "Please wire 1.2 million so I can afford to publish proofs plox"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.0005312 = 5.3386 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-county-man-gets-probation-for-looting-kmart-during/article_eb7b05f5-ec62-56e9-957d-64ea048eebd7.html
assbot: St. Louis County man gets probation for looting Kmart during Ferguson riots : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1X5CIDz )
phf: "at least you weren't raping"
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: From the other side http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/taser-barb-fired-by-st-louis-county-officer-damaged-attack/article_a58a5c20-903f-5349-8bc9-87607fa7762b.html
assbot: Taser barb fired by St. Louis County officer damaged attack victim's eye, suit says : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1X5CWuh )
jurov: lmao got a spam with following URL: https://www.bitstamp.net/s/email_images/moro-web-bitcoin-2015-04.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQBGtQ )
jurov: strings+can now allow uploading of arbitrary content?
jurov: or it's genuine?
BingoBoingo: Fuck me that looks like legit cans and string
shinohai: Sure to be a hit at my Festivus party: http://boingboing.net/2015/11/13/menorah-bong-makes-hanukkah-a.html?fk_bb
assbot: Menorah bong makes Hanukkah a "high holiday" / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQDkeU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00053144 = 17.5641 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: http://ajbasweb.com/old/ajbas/2012/March/279-282.pdf <-- O.o Enoch's Riemann work Australian Journal of Basic and Applied Sciences, 6(3): 279-282, 2012
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQEya3 )
funkenstein_: the O.o in this case being the name not the moticon :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17677 @ 0.00052882 = 9.348 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Followup to a drama that started yesterday https://archive.is/BByaP
assbot: Deleted Last Post. Need Legal Advice : steroids ... ( http://bit.ly/1QKS68L )
mircea_popescu: jurov the me saying "bitstamp is spamming " / bystander going on about how it's just someone else dialogue has been going on for what, ayear now ? two ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00052855 = 9.8839 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "PGP is not as important as people think. As long as both parties use an encrypted email (and connect with a VPN, TOR, TAILS, whatever) you're fine. This is because if they get access to the webmail all information is decrypted either using automatic PGP decryption (eg: Countermail) or locally on their computer (somewhere this information is going to be stored)."
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: why are usians dumb ?
mircea_popescu: serious question.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from lead pipes..?
ascii_field: or was that elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: i dunno
ascii_field: l0l 'tails'
ascii_field: (is a specially crafter derplinux pre-impregnated with tor, faux pgp, etc)
ascii_field: *crafted
mircea_popescu: but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things"
ascii_field: only now?!
mircea_popescu: myeah
trinque: the pervasiveness of marketing and its effect on language, the myth of equality and "my voice matters" politically and also as a consumer, >3 generations of "what's a book?", the retarding effect of believing you are already special and noteworthy by virtue of simply being here...
trinque gags before adding to his list
mircea_popescu: sigh.
trinque: it's a toxic blend one might want to believe was concocted by some evil force
trinque: just morons talking to each other.
punkman: assbot: Groom discovers bride isn't a virgin, eats genitals of her rapist << I imagine guy's last thoughts were "who are these people, and why is he stabbing me"
trinque: perhaps as with individual animals, societies have a suicide mechanism which kicks on when things have gone wrong.
mircea_popescu: as personified in "too easy to get food"
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033671 << see also☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 21:15:51; ascii_field: http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php << obligatory
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325988 <<< preferred os of reddit space cadets☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 22:38:39; ascii_field: (is a specially crafter derplinux pre-impregnated with tor, faux pgp, etc)
punkman: also qubes
punkman: tails is for "plug-n-play" silkroading
ascii_field: plug'n'prey
adlai: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plugging
assbot: Urban Dictionary: plugging ... ( http://bit.ly/1QtbA2x )
adlai: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no because it doesn't matter anyway because reasons.
mircea_popescu: jesus it annoys me.
mircea_popescu: overgrown fucking five year olds.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325817 << "disruption" is mean and not allowed in shartuplandia any longer.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 14:12:38; mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
mircea_popescu: "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. " ha!
adlai: ascii_field: you pointed me earlier to a discussion of locktimes... i assume you meant BIP65, not 64? the latter being mike hearn's utxo shenanigans
ascii_field: adlai: i forget where
ascii_field: will look when i get home, right now boiling in a cauldron
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325266 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 18:54:11; ascii_field: adlai: see also thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920116
adlai: good thing you're not a frog!