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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://betabeat.com/2014/03/newsweek-reporter-bashes-fanatical-bitcoiners-on-facebook/
ozbot: Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook | Betabeat
Duffer1: in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine
Duffer1: MNKY*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0063834 = 0.3383 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5}
turbo_ac100: The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.
dub: wat
dub: oh mp discovered that google suck?
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nubbins`: ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list!
nubbins`: ;;rated toffoo
gribble: You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.
nubbins`: ooh lightbox too
Duffer1: oh snap Deprived is back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7940 @ 0.000152 = 1.2069 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.073 = 0.511 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC trading statement has been mailed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00591839 = 0.7102 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?
asciilifeform: decimation: which one?
decimation: http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.pdf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.0059186 = 3.1369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [+]
decimation: I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise
decimation: except you just have to trust apple
decimation: of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter
francis_wolke: http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/
ozbot: Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - Americ
asciilifeform: i see nothing remarkable in this document.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
decimation: I wish they would release the firmware code
decimation: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-solar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html
ozbot: New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning
decimation: The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-judge-dismisses-charges-in-Devyani-Khobragade-case/articleshow/31913140.cms
BingoBoingo: Slow news day, but for the bored: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/invertebrates-inject-a-bit-of-romance-during-sexby-stabbing-each-other/
benkay`: "discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school"
benkay`: i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.
asciilifeform: note the role of the famous preet bharara - the roland freisler of our day.
decimation: no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure
decimation: why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?
MisterE: http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1
benkay`: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/03/in-turkey-renewed-anti-government-protests/100698/
ozbot: In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic
benkay`: ignore those neo-nazis in crimea
benkay`: who's paying for all of these banners? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/turkey031314/s_t07_78148535.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00014989 = 0.1363 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: Communists?
benkay`: is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?
MisterE: Koch
BingoBoingo: Gambling and the regulation thereof http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/13/3107196/no-dice-amended-gambling-bill.html
benkay`: "concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"
benkay`: that being the government's business, of course.
BingoBoingo: Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint
MisterE: and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government
MisterE: hahah
MisterE: I bet those jobs are monimum wage too
MisterE: minimum*
BingoBoingo: Oh, it is an "employee owned casino"
MisterE: while the execs and shareholders clean up
MisterE: oh
BingoBoingo: Whatever that can mean
MisterE: yea
BingoBoingo: I imagine it is like a reverse Berkshire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-]
MisterE: man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME
MisterE: I should get over there
benkay`: what kinds of mischief would you get up to?
MisterE: Hmm maybe protest porn?
benkay`: naked ladies at the protest?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0036 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+]
chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/chinese-authorities-halt-virtual-credit-card-payments-tencent-yahoo-crashing
ozbot: Chinese Authorities Halt Virtual Credit Card Payments; Tencent, Yahoo Crashing | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+]
Duffer1: http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
ozbot: Twitch
Duffer1: heroes of the storm
MisterE: who Duffer1 ?
Duffer1: new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing
BingoBoingo: Kinda related to my writeup on basketball
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/theres-no-basketball-crowd-like-one-close-to-free-big-1543241447
ozbot: There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1845 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.5056% in 11d 11h 7m 10s
benkay`: chetty: why'd they do that?
MisterE: War with Russia will be good for the economy
MisterE: benkay`: Chinese hate things they can not control
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Prolly for the BTC ecomony and the remibi. Shit for the others though
BingoBoingo: cablepair is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66851.msg778189#msg778189
VanCleef: that's why china likes america
benkay`: http://thenitai.com/2014/03/12/why-you-might-not-want-to-incorporate-in-the-usa/
ozbot: Why you might not want to incorporate in the USA | The Nitai (there can only be one)
benkay`: yuuuuuup.
benkay`: all forces are arrayed against starting a company here.
benkay`: we picked up a contractor from an associate's shop that had folded, and immediately (despite not hiring the man), got a fat packet of mail from the state about this gentleman's employment status asking us all sorts of inane questions.
benkay`: i don't even wat
Mats_cd03: http://imgur.com/a/EOghf
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07799118 = 0.234 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/
ozbot: An Overview of Betable Sports Part 2: Basketball | Bingo Blog
benkay: davout i need more cello :(
chetty: http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/12/the-jailbird-crimes-on-twitter-have-soared-by-390-per-cent-4548653/
ozbot: The jailbird: Crimes on Twitter have soared by 390 per cent | Metro News
BingoBoingo: Let's get ready for some transaction spam https://twitter.com/supertyler/status/444225344644857857
MisterE: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/13/xapo-raises-20-million-to-bury-your-bitcoin-underground/
ozbot: Xapo Raises $20 Million To Bury Your Bitcoin Underground | TechCrunch
lnovy: transaction reversibility, oh boy...
benkay: "It is not clear exactly what part social media played in the crimes.
benkay: But Kent police, which investigated 3,528 crimes involving Facebook and 191 related to Twitter last year, gave one example where two women posted pictures online of themselves with stolen hubcaps."
benkay: so - poor people are flocking to social media and bringing their poor habits with them i gather.
benkay: among them, theft.
BingoBoingo: Seems like it
chetty: people are people
MisterE: seems like it
BingoBoingo: Is anyone else here developing a visceral dislike of medium.com blogs?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: fucking js cruft everywhere
BingoBoingo: Great story, shit layout http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/3/12/5496096/james-scott-jailhouse-boxer-profile
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine
BingoBoingo: HTML for content, CSS for layout and formating, JS for optional dohickeys
MisterE: what is not a bad read mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism
ozbot: Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,
MisterE: ty
mircea_popescu: dexx jesus the butthurt with that woman is phenomenal. what happened to "i've been a stupid cunt and all it took you folks was five minutes to make it obvious. you're awesome thank you so much for taking the time!"
mircea_popescu: i guess they don't teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh.
BingoBoingo: I find amazing that in spite of a decade and a half of shitfits related to "extremist groups" whose membership never exceeds the hundreds, actual instability still comes from nation-states whose membership numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions
mircea_popescu: not rly in spite.
mircea_popescu: if your wife suddenly throws a jealousy fit out of the blue, you know she's just been cheating.
mircea_popescu: even braindead bitcointalk scammers know enough of the world to be screaming thief while stealing.
BingoBoingo: Or she cut out the implanon in her shoulder that was there to ward off the scammzor babies
mircea_popescu: Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you << so they can join in ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, I still think people aren't all assholes ;)
mircea_popescu: repressive society tho. completely different environment.
Azelphur: yea, guess so
BingoBoingo: Actual anti-rape device http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/74629
mircea_popescu: this notion that a woman is a person is very novel and very strange, and rather limited geographically. notwithstanding what western progressives would like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: in most of the world, woman chiefly still means head of cattle.
lnovy: I'll just leave it here... http://youtu.be/D1XPS-j-O24
mircea_popescu: the only way that's changing is once it becomes more productive economically to work than to procreate, which is probably an euphemism for never
Azelphur: lnovy: haha
BingoBoingo: Depends a great deal on the woman
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo less than you'd think. humans are programmable, and women eminently so.
BingoBoingo: Anti-gang rape device, suitable for buses http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm
mircea_popescu: a gun ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, for some circumstances.
BingoBoingo: I assume the women who would use it would be untrainable
mircea_popescu: think full metal jacket. you see a bunch of women in there with gunnery sargeant gomer pyle ?
BingoBoingo: Might be more valuable operating the missiles, or as officers commanding the mine grunts
mircea_popescu: it takes six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50.
mircea_popescu: and that's old 1970s data. by now... i'd be surprised if one kid out of ten ever becomes a useful soldier.
BingoBoingo: You see mor women killing with less hesitation in 2009 than you really had before since Joan of arc
BingoBoingo: And more the killing happens less in useful soldier applications
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: this on tv or irl ?
BingoBoingo: IRL, I've got lots of antidotes, but nothing I can feed a stats machine
BingoBoingo: Male acquaitance killed a lot of goats and no people on a deployment, because everyone else was shooting
mircea_popescu: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092
ozbot: Men, women, and murder: gender-specific differences... [J Trauma. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI
BingoBoingo: Female acquaintance killed a lot of people because they were unfuckable
lnovy: Are those really comparable? It's bit different to kill and to kill as a soldier, no?
mircea_popescu: A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval.
mircea_popescu: lnovy yes, in the sense that it's much easier as a solider.
mircea_popescu: basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don't kill mooks, we just off each other"
lnovy: I don't share that view... homicides are not always coldblooded killing...
lnovy: uncontrolable soldier is mostly useless
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mircea_popescu: lnovy it's about a degree of magnitude easier for me to get some dood to shoot at "the enemy" than it'd be to get some woman to shoot at her would-be attacker.
mircea_popescu: and as far as guns are concerned, they're for killing not for displaying.
BingoBoingo: Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn't kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don't want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo those women also admit to having serious trouble ever dating.
lnovy: interesting
mircea_popescu: by the time yo uget her where she can defend herself at gunpoint, you also got her to where she's slipping herself roofies
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sometimes, but the blowjobs are above par
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, let's talk something interesting like business
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: SO you get the ATC fund's status.
mircea_popescu: the way i'm thinking, if you pick a sport you like and you actually know enough about to make a line, you can then make that line, and promote it like any bookie
mircea_popescu: this should be vig-profitable, whatever it's supposed to make, 8% or what was it.
BingoBoingo: Eh, but getting people, especially in BTC to bite on a line... is a challenge
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a promoter that had it easy.
BingoBoingo: They never do.
mircea_popescu: that's why the promoter makes dough. if it were easy it'd be every kid and his app situation
BingoBoingo: Right
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i never actually run gambling. but i'm vaguely aware it's a living, so
BingoBoingo: Apparently it is less of a living than it used to be.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, totally, community is everything. except they have no idea what that word means.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo unlike what ?
mircea_popescu: fucking lawyering is less of a living than it used to be
BingoBoingo: The replacement level poker player is skilling up.
mircea_popescu: singer-songwriter is MUCH less of a living than it used to be
mircea_popescu: even cocksucking, if you believe the casino cocksuckers, is much less than it used to be
BingoBoingo: lawyering and s/sing are going down because the replacement level for each sucks more.
mircea_popescu: mebbe. but for whatever reason... nothing makes what it used to make.
BingoBoingo: Has it ever?
mircea_popescu: kinda the point, bank clerks cca 1950 could maintain a nice beachfront house in california, a housewife and her children
mircea_popescu: bank vps can't afford the same today, with the wife working.
BingoBoingo: 1950 was around the time fiat reached its maximum leverage though.
mircea_popescu: ( http://trilema.com/2012/the-wrong-man/ point in case. guy in that movie is a fine example)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves punkman benkay it's wences' new thing. he previously made the same exact thing (lemon) which apparently got sold.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.0008004 = 2.0538 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Is Joe the new John Doe?
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/
ozbot: Me at its finest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can probably laser/gamma/magnetic resonance for the ink inside huh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much.
BingoBoingo: Works well
mircea_popescu: dub more like found a good angle to humiliated people with it.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation as far as i recall the theory behind carbon dating and especialyl the "constant decay" part has been under fire for decades.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the miners are digging into the ATC bid wall nao
joecool: literally lol'd @ that post
joecool: got worried when i saw the link and thought it was about me
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: no see \cause you're joeCOOL
mircea_popescu: these are just plain joe.
mircea_popescu: sooo... turkey going up in flames too huh.
mircea_popescu: curious if they finally turn muslim, ataturk's memory and the military can only go so far.
mircea_popescu: snotty eu refused to let them in when they had a chance, and much to their detriment, as a eu member turkey would have definitely taken the eu out of any crisis
mircea_popescu: and now...
BingoBoingo: They've been sliding more muslin for two decades now
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: it's gone, basically.
BingoBoingo: Eu needed them more
mircea_popescu: much like the crimeea. you can posutre all you want, but in the realpolitik world crimeea was gone the moment obama got raped over syria.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, kerry's idiocy sealed its fate, had he kept his stupid mouth shut...
joecool: putin keepin the pimp hand strong
BingoBoingo: At least the Black Sea doesn't seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon
mircea_popescu: and obviously, the little secret nobody wants to share in the english language propaganda machine is that currently russian jets are about two classes over anything nato can fly.
mircea_popescu: not even counting the pilots, just the machines.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Crimea was sealed in the NATO Libya intervention when the French Raphaels outperformed the new US aircraft
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: and the raphs suck.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that the raphs suck
mircea_popescu: turns out it's not enough to be really firmly convinced you're cool. gotta also do homework.
BingoBoingo: Russia wins on fast planes
mircea_popescu: and on radar
BingoBoingo: US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren't approved for flight because pilots need oxygen
mircea_popescu: and on countermissile and on a ton of other shit
BingoBoingo: The US pretty much only seems to have the solid win on strategic bombers... and if those are needed the war's been lost
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the latest su can actually outfly sidewinders
mircea_popescu: well the problem is... strategic bombers are useless in this context. the russians can airplane-intercept tomahawks as it is.
mircea_popescu: what's a bomber to do ?
BingoBoingo: Well, according to the Hollywood liason office SU just sells knock off plans to china.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there's the B-2... ANd that's about it.
mircea_popescu: su = sukhoi
BingoBoingo: B-2 can fly from western Missouri to western Missouri
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US only really advertised the MIGs as potention OPFOR... Prolly for morale reasons
mircea_popescu: not if it gets a fuelbomb dropped on its head
chetty: but the US planes were all designed and built according to standards - and union rules and all, they must be the best
mircea_popescu: chetty no doubt about it, they're the best union builds :D
chetty: :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. the migs, here's a funny story about the migs :
joecool: china getting any good at knockoffs?
mircea_popescu: the nato exercise in 2012 consisted of a romanian team flying migs (old migs, mind you) as "the enemy"
mircea_popescu: the romanian team downed half the us planes, and a bunch of french and dutch
mircea_popescu: it was a carnage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0008004 = 15.5678 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: AH
mircea_popescu: lesson learned ? zero.
mircea_popescu: and these are people who can barely afford the fuel to fly the damned rust buckets.
chetty: they musta cheated
mircea_popescu: (they did have the jewish elecwarfare upgrades tho, which apparently are damned good)
BingoBoingo: Well, the US killed their most capable carriet based aircraft because Iran needed spare parts...
BingoBoingo: Well on the news the USN is talking about getting more EWAR variant F/A 18's but the pentagon wants more money for vaporware F-35's because they can take off and land like a helicopter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48384 @ 0.00080062 = 38.7372 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2816 @ 0.00080198 = 2.2584 BTC [+]
joecool: BingoBoingo: and congress is old and keeps earmarking more tanks
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, we don't even know what the chinese are flying.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn't really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is
mircea_popescu: tho if we're to apply the old yurpean wisdom, considering how fucking scared the russians must be to spend so much on their sus... the chinese must be pretty bad.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I think China is selling designs to SU now
joecool: zerg rushers, etc
mircea_popescu: joecool maybe. the thing with them is that they're really good at keeping secrets.
joecool: mircea_popescu: wall builders are usually good at that
mircea_popescu: no chinese gouzenko's let alone wikileaks
mircea_popescu: and so we literally don't know wtf their jets actually are.
BingoBoingo: Who wanted to trade Rare Earths yesterday... MisterE?
mircea_popescu: but you know, when in 500ad the sarmatians started pushing west, you knew something was scaring them at the other end.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#557705 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: wow all caught up with log. iiincredible.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: I plan on falling behind in about 20 hours again
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: here's a nice outfit to celebrate.
BingoBoingo: First I need to come up with a fundraising plan for blog
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, how was your vacation?
BingoBoingo: Would there be more interest in this oil painting http://imgur.com/F6IjZAJ or years, plural of an advertising placement on the blog?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31878 @ 0.00080198 = 25.5655 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: My fundraising target for the blog is 2-8 BTC, which should be enough to keep it hosted... forever
BingoBoingo: I'm amenable to parting with both the painting of Kim Jung Il's heart attack on a train and a portion of my sidebar together.
BingoBoingo: If one of the other bloggers want to be the Patron I would be amenable to Slashdot coaching.
joecool: BingoBoingo: which blog?
BingoBoingo: joecool: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
joecool: BingoBoingo: what kind of traffic
BingoBoingo: joecool: I am skeptical that I can find sponsors atm in the 2-8 BTC range, but... the blog made slasdot twice in 2014
BingoBoingo: joecool: Traffic is erratic
B007: http://bitcoinaware.com/article/12248/xapo-raises-20-million-for-ultra-secure-bitcoin-storage/
ozbot: Bitcoin Aware | Aritcles | Xapo Raises $20 Million for Ultra-Secure Bitcoin Storage
joecool: BingoBoingo: site is abit rough on the eyes, my co is doing design for youmeandbtc in return for advertising
joecool: http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ < old
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joecool: (not done yet, but getting there)
BingoBoingo: joecool: The design aesthetic on my site is ENTIRELY intentional
BingoBoingo: I might get a softer linen background
BingoBoingo: I prefer minimal styling though.
BingoBoingo: As a moral cause
BingoBoingo: And my best viewership in one day was 34,205 viewers with javascript enabled
B007: Support BingoBlog by sending coins to: 17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95
joecool: BingoBoingo: ah, you might want to look at moving it to something like dropplets
joecool: if you're really serious about minimalism
BingoBoingo: joecool: WTFis droplets?
joecool: http://dropplets.com/ <
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joecool: doesn't even use a db
B007: BingoBoingo: what do you do irl?
BingoBoingo: B007: I am a trained librarian who does freelance work because I was fed a lie... Well a lot of lies
benkay: droplets, eh? i imagine i'll go flat flat text with bare links next.
joecool: might want to look at bootstrap too
joecool: it's a little more "traditional" looking
joecool: http://getbootstrap.com/examples/blog/ < etc
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B007: librarian? like restock shelves? or do research ?
BingoBoingo: B007: My experience in grad school was in Health Sciences librarianship, but... school is a lie
BingoBoingo: joecool: Bootstrap is not happening
BingoBoingo: Dropplet is probably not happening
B007: how is school a lie
B007: or I guess for you was
benkay: no bingo you see what you really want is something really fancy someone spent a shitload of money on designing
benkay: someone who really matters in the ux world like twitter
benkay: that's how you drive pageviews!
B007: my website has only my own pageviews
benkay: ugh yes everything must now be flat text files gpg signed
mircea_popescu: Dimsler very long
BingoBoingo: benkay: You understand. I want something ever so slightly more friendly for machine readers than human readers, and I only want rounded surfaced on my dick in sum bitch's mouth
joecool: benkay: well if you want lots of pageviews and don't really care who its from, use buzzfeed as example (or newsweek lol)
benkay: yeah you can get real far with the sv crowd chasing those lcd pageviews
benkay: anyways you guys i get to experience America this weekend!
benkay: some family is flying babydoll and i out for her sister's birthday. this includes a Hajj to Disneyland, apparently.
BingoBoingo: B007: It was a lie in the sense that the program admitted 3x more students than the market would bear and the students who got hired all sucked a meaner dick than I would
mircea_popescu: benkay you're not living in the US ?!
benkay: california is a different country man
mircea_popescu: bejeez all these foreigner terrorists getting uppity...
mircea_popescu: oic
mircea_popescu: so your gf is from topeka
joecool: benkay: i'd like to think florida is too
mircea_popescu: the shame
benkay: topeka?
BingoBoingo: Oh, benkay I would have pegged you as being from the Republic of Oregon
benkay: as in the styx?
benkay: sticks?
mircea_popescu: topeka, kansas.
mircea_popescu: in which you're not anymore, babydoll!
benkay: right right
benkay: sticks, in the vernacular
BingoBoingo: joecool: How much to kill http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ with fire?
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Topeka_1869.jpg
benkay: BingoBoingo my location's pretty trivially deductable
joecool: BingoBoingo: lol
benkay: no points
joecool: BingoBoingo: in other news, pm
BingoBoingo: ?
B007: if you donate I will luv you forever http://www.binaryspawn.com/donate/
B007: so what are some good books to learn about finance?
B007: or websites?
BingoBoingo: B007: I'd suggest Kritik der Urteilskraft
B007: ask for finance book, get philosophical book
B007: It does lool interesting though
benkay: The Rational Investor
chetty: same thing B007
benkay: wait hang on wrong title
BingoBoingo: B007: You wanted a book on subjective decision making, I offered te same
B007: yes, thanks
MisterE: great Belarus is getting involved
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Link plox?
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MisterE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26564851
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MisterE: In a sign the tension may be spreading, Belarus - a Russian ally - confirmed Moscow had deployed, at its request, extra fighter jets and military transport aircraft after Nato boosted its forces in the neighbouring Baltic countries.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if kakobrekla might want to help keep my blog alive for bit4x advertising and an oil painting?
kakobrekla: hm, perhaps i get you some adaptive css instead?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell dimsler whoa that was quick.
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mircea_popescu: "China's Li Keqiang warns investors to prepare for wave of bankruptcies"
B007: "serious challenges"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00079969 = 39.7046 BTC [-]
B007: " Beijing is copying the Japanese tactic of ramping up public infrastructure spending to replace the steep slowdown in private sector investment."
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: That might work
MisterE: China is in a world of hurt
MisterE: they just dont want the world to know it
benkay: but jets?
benkay: my money's on drone swarms.
BingoBoingo: My hope is I do this one fundraiser. Someone gets a year or decade of advertising, and the balance keeps the site alive for literally, rather than merely figuratively... forever.
benkay: wow there's an idea forever hosting
benkay: o wait blockchain
benkay: stick it in the blockchain, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: benkay: Site can't be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can.
benkay: i heard tell of...
benkay hushes voice and looks around
benkay: js embedded in the blockchain that executes in browsers
benkay: oh no!
BingoBoingo: benkay: basically the thought is if BTC keeps going up 30x a year, only a few BTC now can host a site for eternity
benkay: put up a paywall.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Too young. Need at least three years... Or a catastrophic nuclear attack on New York, DC, and LA
benkay: you're missing the point.
benkay: donations suck.
benkay: sell credits
benkay: this should be a wp plugin
benkay: someone call phpbrekla
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw
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BingoBoingo: benkay: The thing is there is yet to be solid infrastructure for credits or advertising in BTC
BingoBoingo: Aged an critical elders can sell credits
benkay: you have the price dial to turn as well
benkay: furthermore the blog credit market needs some price discovery
cads: hwy guys have you hear about that new cryptocurrency based on protein folding?
BingoBoingo: benkay: It what way can I really turn the dial though
cads wishes he wasn't just pulling your legs
benkay: well one of two directions, right?
benkay: either cheaper or more expensive
kakobrekla: meh even the non btc advertising platforms are scams
mircea_popescu: cads noobs gotta think they're smart, you know ?
kakobrekla: how can you expect anything more from btc ones
BingoBoingo: In an immature market though... The dial might not even be attached to the cam
cads: mircea_popescu: I got it. What do you call a cryptocurrency based on protein folding?
benkay: or sell access to specific pieces
cads: An amino-asset.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well, I've seen little actual promise from ads in either space
benkay: cads brilliant
Duffer1: ...............
BingoBoingo: And somehow this shit is more betable than Basketball http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-pro-attempted-suicide-after-tournamen-1542880793
mircea_popescu: hahaha
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BingoBoingo: I swear I tried to do the basketball post as honestly as I could without calling it nigger golf
benkay: bahahaha
MisterE: most pro sports are dominated by blacks
benkay: wow that kotaku article's full of lulz as well. dude crumpled some modern tin fake building and didn't die.
MisterE: heh, I'll read
cads: "The Skynet hypothesis is a boogeyman intended to scare the young and the paranoid. The real threat from AI is that it will become so good at the pointless tasks that we have given it that those pointless tasks will become a black hole of resources." I am reading an article about a concept the author calls malignant computing - computing that increases itself and hurts the market in an effort to perpetuate itself. http://radar.oreilly.
cads: com/2014/03/malignant-computation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+oreilly/radar/atom+(O'Reilly+Radar)
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Explain Hockey?
MisterE: I cant it sounds dumb
MisterE: but I've been to a hockey game and it's very cool
MisterE: its one of those that does poorly transferring to TV
MisterE: unlike basketball that seems built for tv
MisterE: and ftr I think hockey is still dominated by white barbarians
cads: Arguments like that have been raised originally against high frequency trading, and as we're familier with, against the hashchain algorithm.
cads: the author seems to hint that if a proof of work system is going to be malignant and self expandingit may as well be proof of some universally useful work
BingoBoingo: Well I'll post this again in case anyone can't scroll up http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/
benkay: what, securing the monetary base isn't universally useful?
cads: but only gives as an example Primecoin, a c-currency where the proof of work involves finding primes.
mircea_popescu: http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/truck-driver-who-wore-vampire-fangs-accused-of-keeping-sex-slaves-in-semitrailer-for-months/
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mircea_popescu: utah vampyre
mircea_popescu: cads you realise that's a whole lot of ignorant nonsense do you ?
MisterE: http://coingen.io/
MisterE: everyone can have a crypto coin
cads: can we make a computing system that grows such that it harms the market? sure, high speed trading has caused serious disasters - but we can also argue those are just growing pains and we're better off for the high speed bots.
mircea_popescu: that's besides the point. there's a certain troop of losers that have had a purely ideological problem with bitcoin mining since 2009
mircea_popescu: the idea is that bitcoin uses energy, and they don't like using energy. period.
cads: right
mircea_popescu: now, that this is hogwashed into something pompous sounding like "malignant computing" is exactly typical of the mannerisms of the particular ideological group in question.
mircea_popescu: the gargle holds no futher merit past its function as a retard magnet.
chetty: I want a time machine, send those folks back to walk streets a foot deep in horse shit
mircea_popescu: perhaps amusing an exercise would be restructuring the argument, except directed at them.
mircea_popescu: malignant pseudopolitics is this process which expands to occupy all fora available.
MisterE: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/
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mircea_popescu: sort-of what the socialists are doing in the us, or the communists did in the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: it's malignant alright, it's pointless alright, with or without all the huffpo crap the world would be exactly in the same position.
mircea_popescu: nao what ? purely ideological construct, works just as well in any random direction.
cads: mircea_popescu: lets leave aside the author's obvious retardation and focus on prime coin and the idea of doing externally useful work as a side effect of the cryptocurrency.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing shows striking similarities to the peta-and-animal-saving debacle, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: well, there are two major problems involved here.
mircea_popescu: one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won't do the work you set out to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"
cads: the author does provide me with say 30 bits of novel information (I had not known of prime coin - the paper is interesting)
mircea_popescu: im not debating whether it's interesting, it's definitely interesting. i'm just saying it;'s stupid. stupid things are usually interesting, at least as amusements
cads: first example of a scientific computing cryptocurrency (and I certainly hope we'll see more useful ones as well)
Duffer1: scientific utility of a cunningham chain discovery mechanism is debatable
mircea_popescu: no but you're math-literate, how would this work ? you compute two things with the same stone ? what's the idea here ?
cads: mircea_popescu> this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations"
cads: this would be neat to model, and may well be true in a very theormodynamic sense
cads: hmm
mircea_popescu: ok, let me offer what i believe is a homomorphism
mircea_popescu: "you can make any sha key you want, as long as every other byte is FA"
mircea_popescu: now. does this mean your key will simply have to be twice as long for equal security ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10099644 = 0.202 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: im probably restating well known and anciently established mathematical fact, but here, mp's lemma : any computation of two results can be reduced to two computations of the respective results, and the sum of the energy consumed by the latter will be at most equal to the energy consumed by the former process.
BingoBoingo: Sounds reasonable
mircea_popescu: and actually this could probably be expanded into interesting results for ppl trying to understand various higher level maths. "define a comutative algebra in which a ring can exist for which any addition also calculates a multiplication and vice-versa"
BingoBoingo: Shame Erdos and his bog bag of meth are out of the picture
mircea_popescu: something like the 2+2 = 4 2*2 = 4 sorta thing.
cads: let me offer a counter "you can solve a partial hash collision problem (something like an O(2^k) expected running time), or you can solve a np-complete problem requiring brute searching a binary tree of height k (assume similar expected chance of success)."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no we want like emmy noether for this shit
cads: Now suppose both solutions are verifiably by a third party in polynomial time. But suppose additionally that the answer for the second problem also has a value of $100 to the third party. The question is should the second process take more energy to compute?
BingoBoingo: Like he didn't have a big bag of meth either
cads: I feel the value supposition must be completely independent and coincidental to the energy requirements. You could even suppose it is pure coincidence the output of the second algorithm is structured such that it's useful to the third party.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's clearly interesting. or as the romanian expression goes, "un prostovan arunca o piatra in apa si zece filosofi se chinuie s-o scoata"
mircea_popescu: cads but if it's purely coincidental then you don't have a pow that does protein folding, you just have a pow that occasionally folds a protein
mircea_popescu: i imagine after enough btc blocks, we'll actually get shakespeare's merchant of venice in the hashes, so why not
cads: mircea_popescu: it's without question that anyone can look at the outputs of the two algorithms and verify that ~2^k energy was expended. Perhaps the problem happens when we require the second algorithm to also guarantee a useful output relative to the third party.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
BingoBoingo: The rejected hashes might already contain that play.
cads: i don't see it because regardless of the supposed usefullness, the algorithm still uses 2^k energy.
mircea_popescu: cads no but the key is your "or". turn it to "and" and see.
mircea_popescu: cause really to work as advertised or is no good
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo emmy noether was a woman
mircea_popescu: possibly the smartest woman that ever lived.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Once they hit the crystal... It's just safest to assign them the pronoun that inspires the least sexual interest.
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mircea_popescu: a bit ironic because the poor woman suffered plenty through being a woman. ended up teaching under hilbert's name because the sort of boneheads roaming about end of 19th century couldn't have a woman colleague
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Most of the really big breaks in computational theory cam from the women before the dorks realized they could make their own fantasy worlds.
cads: well lets see a better example. Problem 1 makes us solve the travelling salesman problem on random graphs. Problem 2 makes us solve travelling salesman on maps that appear indistinguishable from the first ones, but in fact encode valuable information in their solutions. For your hypothesis to be true, it should be impossible for the second problem to cost less energy than the first?
BingoBoingo: Also ironic, how pissed would the whales be if they knew we used the same word for our losers and their dicks.
BingoBoingo: cads: Define indistinguishable
mircea_popescu: cads not at all. my lemma is more general, in your proposed terms it would be :
cads: BingoBoingo: right, I'm to tired to do that rigorously or even tell if why I said even makes sense.
BingoBoingo: For most naive attempts at implementations the second set would likely be simpler and cheaper than the first
cads: BingoBoingo: right
mircea_popescu: should an algorithm exist to resolve the problem of ts on randomly distributed graphs, an application of that algorithm on a selected set of graphs with a useful application will cost more than the normal by an ammount at least equal to the cost of computing the useful application.
BingoBoingo: I mean for the first set you could probably encode information much as RSA does. I don't have enough vodka on hand to speculate if that would be a good idea. Most of Elliptic curve cryptography works on spaces that can be played with in graph theory world though.
mircea_popescu: ie, if on average your useless-pow block costs 1, the useful-pow will cost 1+ε, where ε >= the useful
cads: mircea_popescu: I don't feel it mathematically yet but I feel why we'd like this to hold, economically
BingoBoingo: In a world with Auroa coin and Mazacoin... THere is a good chance random graphs might mine better in tard efforts at implementation
mircea_popescu: to me it's quite straightforwardly obvious but im much too wasted to be able to show it.
cads: mircea_popescu: I think we should be able to test the hypothesis directly against the primecoin if we try hard enough
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Your lemma is sensical so long as it is restricted to hard POW's
mircea_popescu: cads but would we be able to trust the results
cads: mircea_popescu: I feel the same here, for the opposite side
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike proving a given set of numbers is "random"
BingoBoingo: cads: Primecoin isn't even that cool at finding useful primes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose it degenerates into some sort of banal equality otherwise
Duffer1: not even primes, just cunningham prime chains
Duffer1: Riecoin is the one for large primes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, most minds have their head splints set to promote that nowadays.
Duffer1: afaik the outcome of either cannot be guaranteed to yield a useful result beyond PoW
BingoBoingo: Interesting: Penrose's book doesn't have an index entry for "random"
mircea_popescu: random is a scam.
BingoBoingo: FOr srs
mircea_popescu: i suppose actually my lemma may end up the equivalent of quantum indeterminacy, but for maths.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you don't look it costs 1, if you look worth ε it costs 1+ε and fuck you.
cads: "Hypothesis: if an algorithm's output provides proof of 1 unit of work, and that output is also usable to provide the equivalent of epsilon units of useful work for another problem, then the energy expenditure of the algorithm must be greater or equal to 1 + epsilon units of work."
BingoBoingo: If random existed it would have an index entry on page 1095 between "quantum reality" and "relatavistic quantum angular momentum"
Duffer1: not necessarily a scam, but certainly not reliable. Prime coin has produced measurable results beyond PoW utility
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mircea_popescu: cads something like that
cads: mircea_popescu: to formalize this completely we'll have to assume something like a polynomial time algorithm that converts the output of algorithm A into a solution for problem B.
mircea_popescu: well wait, that's hiding the ε ?
cads: probably
cads: if it works out
cads: that's the only place for the e to come from, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: and importantly, this is looking forward in time.
mircea_popescu: you can in principle sift through the history and find convenient cases for any particular problem
mircea_popescu: byt the idea here is that we promise some sort of result in the future.
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mircea_popescu: "turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution and also a feather every ten revolutions" is okay, whereas
mircea_popescu: "turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution, then look if any eggs have feathers attached" is not okay
Duffer1: that's pretty much how primecoin works lol
mircea_popescu: o is it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0037 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: (i've not looked much into it at all)
cads: suppose we have algorithm A, and we have that a solution of A reduces polynomially solutions B, C, D, E, F, G...
MisterE: major LTC manipulation now
MisterE: Whale is swinging it around like a cat by its tail
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043822 = 0.4382 BTC [-] {14}
MisterE: not that I have ever done that to a cat
MisterE: ...
cads: mircea_popescu: we'll have an epsilon for each target problem, and maybe the cost of solving al the target problems starting from A must be greater than or equal to solving B, C, D... seperately.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, im wiped. we'll have to continue this tomorro
mircea_popescu: cheers all.
cads: mircea_popescu: I concur
MisterE: laterz
MisterE: interesting
Duffer1: MP read the Primecoin whitepapaer you'd like it
MisterE: do continue
Duffer1: later man
Duffer1: cads read the Reicoin whitepaper you'd like it ^.^
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cads: Duffer1: I do feel like we're arguing more from philosophical/economical principle that computation shouldn't give us two things for free - but this seems false.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07889999 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
cads: for a really weaksauce example, say I take the square of a number x. In the result I've also computed the square of the number -x, and this for 'free'.
Duffer1: primecoin has already proven that hashing can produce utility beyond PoW
MisterE: NMC does useful stuff too
cads: MP's conjecture is that it must trade off utility between Pow and the secondary function
Duffer1: ya, i must disagree with that position
cads: same here but I have to say it's intriguing
Duffer1: mistere it does, but it's still a hashcash based PoW
BingoBoingo: NMC was thought to do useful shit, but miners won't commit transactions with useful data
cads: Duffer1: I've not heard of reicoin yet (I'd merely heard of primecoin half an hour ago)
VanCleef: is it possible to have a alt coin that doesn't require any miners to verify it? once its sent its instantly confirmed?
Duffer1: riecoin's pow attempts to find prime sextuplets to generate absurdly long prime numbers
Duffer1: 500+ digit
cads: I want to see a cryptocurrency backed in automated service provider contracts
cads: whatever that means :)
cads: VanCleef: sounds like you want to set up a kind of test network?
VanCleef: i think so?
Duffer1: cads http://riecoin.org/#questions
VanCleef: its just awkward when doing a face trade with someone and they ask if they can sleep over while waiting for it to confirm
VanCleef: i sat with a guy for 8 hours at starbucks once and i ran out of things to talk about about an hour
Mats_cd03: pay a higher tx fee then scrub
cads: VanCleef: a test network holds no market value so it'll confirm quick but mean zip
VanCleef: ok, not a test network
kakobrekla: meh, blockchain buys rtbtc, everything goes to shit.
Apocalyptic: heh
Mats_cd03: whatever the tx fee in the ref client is, double it, problem solved
VanCleef: i'll remember that for next time mats
Mats_cd03: the confirmation delay is something altcoins have experimented with
moiety: mew
moiety: bb got a sec?
Mats_cd03: they mostly suck
BingoBoingo: moiety: Sure
BingoBoingo: So blockchain.info started looking really sickly really fast.
BingoBoingo: Smallpox?
MisterE: last week they were the big news on Bloomberg
MisterE: the start of this down trend
MisterE: when their news was poop
BingoBoingo: Like Blockchain.info when from being useful, cultured manure to straight up salmonella liquishits
MisterE: users leavig btce in droves
MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07889999 = 0.3945 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21439 @ 0.00079984 = 17.1478 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00080045 = 6.8438 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080388 = 5.5468 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So... Mark Shuttleworth just can't demand a display server work
BingoBoingo: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/03/13/2241232/ubuntus-mir-gets-delayed-again
ozbot: Ubuntu's Mir Gets Delayed Again - Slashdot
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davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu deposits pl0x
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.005743 = 0.402 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: hi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00080219 = 24.7877 BTC [-] {2}
dub: ;tslb
nubbins`: ;;tslc
gribble: Error: "tslc" is not a valid command.
dub: :;tslb
nubbins`: (time since last coffee)
dub: lel
dub: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 2 seconds
nubbins`: :o
dub: every time
dub: I tell you
nubbins`: so there's this escrow guy on the forums, saltyspitoon
nubbins`: great fella
nubbins`: was gonna leave him some wot ratings
nubbins`: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=saltyspitoon
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'saltyspitoon'
nubbins`: almost too perfect to ruin
dub: heh
dub: fuck you bitcoin, fuck you in the goat ass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00080312 = 24.2944 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0008034 = 22.6559 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: Damn these blocks getting scarce
Neil: <mircea_popescu> Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ? << I have, probably twice. What's the connection?
Neil: http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ << Time for the difficulty bulls to get worried?
ozbot: BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1800 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.0162% in 11d 23h 55m 0s
Neil: The last 2 weeks are the first time in a long time at least 50% of the time I open blockchain.info it shows a block over 1hr old.
Apocalyptic: too soon to tell imo
Neil: It's like a mini-inflation shock. History shows they take about 2 months to feed into the price. June 2016 with the halving is gonna be epic.
Neil: Nov 12 led to a 100x price in 1yr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2224 @ 0.00015467 = 0.344 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5904 BTC [-]
Neil: Mr Derek Dick was one heck of a lyricist.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2949 @ 0.00345037 = 10.1751 BTC [-] {30}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44689 @ 0.00080149 = 35.8178 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: Derek William Dick. What a guy.
Neil: Respect
Neil: "Singing psychedelic praises to the depths of a China bowl"
Neil: "You've got venom in your stomach, you've got poison in your head"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00080396 = 21.4657 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: He knows, you know, he knows, you know, he knows, you know, but he's got problems!"
Neil: Underrated as fck.
blackwhite: so one bitcoin could potentially be subdivided into "infinite" sub sets right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00080004 = 27.2414 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07202505 = 0.2881 BTC [-] {3}
Neil: blackwhite: One bitcoin is one bitcoin. To what extent one agrees to subdivide it is but a mere footnote. The default assumption amongst market participants, owing to history, is 100m "satoshis" are a bitcoin.
Neil: Which probably to Mr Satoshi 5 years ago seemed like a pipe-dream, but now is starting to feel like a low-ball
blackwhite: Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency, but couldn't that somehow be countered by splitting each bitcoin so we deal in satoshis instead? Asking because I can't wrap my head around that problem
blackwhite: i.e. it's not impossible to imagine large sums of bitcoin dissapear
blackwhite: then what
Neil: "Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency" uhh please explain that big underspecified jump in logic.
Neil: It *would* mean everyone else's suddenly got worth a lot more, but the end? You don't understand.
Neil: But re splitting, absolutely, you get it.
Neil: blackwhite: First thing to understand is most the shit you read in the media isn't a "problem", it's just the guy writing the article's "problem"
Neil: decide for yourself
Neil: blackwhite: If there are 100kg of gold in the world, and then 20kg disappear, then what?
Neil: Nothing, just it's cool if you own some of that 20kg that is left. That is all.
blackwhite: yeah but consider this argument for instance: "If Bitcoin matured into a complete currency, with large numbers of workers using it as their medium of account, then its inflexibility could bring economic havoc. Money-supply “shocks”, like the disappearance of Mt Gox, could set off a systemic collapse. Given a loss of faith in exchanges, users might withdraw their coins in a panic, leading to a dangerous decline in transaction volume. Such
blackwhite: hoarding could threaten Bitcoin’s status as a medium of exchange, leading to its complete demise as a currency.
blackwhite: Reputable exchanges with large institutional holdings could help stem such panics by advertising a willingness to sell their Bitcoins to meet liquidity demand. Yet because Bitcoin reserves are finite, users may not find the promise credible. By contrast, central banks with the inexhaustible resources of the printing press face no such inconvenient constraints."
blackwhite: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21599053-chronic-deflation-may-keep-bitcoin-displacing-its-fiat-rivals-money
Neil: blackwhite: I don't know where to start. Maybe start thinking for yourself and stop drinking the logical fallacies?
blackwhite: Neil oh I am
blackwhite: i am just saying thats an argument being put out there
Neil: It's Keynesian claptrap and the opposite of reality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0031105 = 0.1493 BTC [-]
Neil: Arguments don't matter though. Ownership transfer does.
blackwhite: yeah sure
Neil: Just act in your own self interest and ignore the noise
blackwhite: well to be honest I am not so much interested in bitcoin as a currency but more as a technology. I don't mine but purely trade my services for bitcoin. So its all good
blackwhite: and yeah agree on that
Neil: Good for you. That's all we need - volountary interaction.
Neil: Of course, as a speculator I believe you'd benefit by holding, but I don't begrudge you deciding what to do with your own money. Hopefully vice versa.
Neil: My belief is that bitcoin will succeed for one simple reason, whose power almost eveyrone underestimates (apart from Satoshi): people will come to realise holding bitcoin is in their own best interest. And everything else will follow, in the future as it already has, from $0.01 to $500. Nothing has changed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]
Neil: And boy do I look forward to the day I can travel the world and spend bitcoin. I think it's only 2 years away.
nubbins`: http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php?page=trades&user_id=188
blackwhite: yeah that is why I am also trying to get bit coins by doing what I do best. Interface design, product design, branding etc.
Neil: blackwhite: Good for you. Keep true to that and you will succeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00079805 = 21.0685 BTC [-] {3}
Neil: blackwhite: The world is your oyster. Whether your customer is an Iranian or a Korean. Who gives a fuck apart from those who benefit by dividing us.
blackwhite: I think John Smart said it best.
blackwhite: from his tweet
blackwhite: FedGovt dollars are *debt instruments*. #Bitcoin is first chance for little investor to say enough. Tea Party & Occupy both see it's value.
Neil: Yeah it'll take time, but it'll happen. I'm 100% sure.
blackwhite: so what are some of the models people use to make money with bit coins besides mining?
blackwhite: I saw this
blackwhite: http://www.mpex.co/
nubbins`: sell things you make for btc
blackwhite: apparently its fairly successful
blackwhite: yeah thats what I am doing
Neil: blackwhite: There's nothing wrong with just sitting on your coins. Just make sure they're safe.
nubbins`: mining/buying is for suckers
blackwhite: Neil not saying there is just interested in some of the models out there
dexx: http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide
ozbot: Developer Guide - Bitcoin
blackwhite: trying to learn as much as possible about this field
Neil: Sure. I think some of MP's businesses are interesting. Just they're trading at an insane premium IMO, because of lack of credible alternatives. Make your own decision.
Neil: And if he's run over by a bus tomorrow, what are you left holding?
Neil: Something of very unclear value IMO.
Neil: And he's clearly playing in an unclear tax / regulatory state. (Not that I blame him at all). But take it into account.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0060231 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: lack of credible alternatives is an understatement
blackwhite: In other words there is room for competition?
Neil: blackwhite: Absolutely
Neil: But I'm not claiming it'd be easy; I'm quite sure it'd be very tough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.00600179 = 0.3481 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: Neil: problem with most things on mpex is low volume
nubbins`: so it's pretty easy to swing prices
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ignoring mpoe, you're looking at ~1btc/24h across all assets
thestringpuller: speaking of popescus
mircea_popescu: you were ?
nubbins`: read the log D;
nubbins` cackles
mircea_popescu: in a minute lol
mircea_popescu: i gotta article i gotta write first
nubbins`: measles outbreak in nyc
chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/it-begins-past-week-foreigners-sell-record-amount-over-100-billion-treasurys-held-fe
nubbins`: but, y'know, don't bother vaccinating your kids
ozbot: Foreigners Sell A Record Amount, Over $100 Billion, Of Treasurys Held By The Fed In Past Week | Zero
Diablo-D3: $100 billion is about 1% of treasury bonds.
Diablo-D3: so zerohedge fails to be relevant yet again
mircea_popescu: somewhere in the middle. it's not what they make it out to be, but it is a blip
mircea_popescu: pretty much all depends on whether tomorrow is 1.x trillion or not.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00079906 = 9.309 BTC [+]
VanCleef: question is mpex a registered business?
nubbins`: Diablo-D3: they fail at html too
nubbins`: brutal layout
Diablo-D3: VanCleef: not in any nation that metters
mircea_popescu: VanCleef mpex is a bitcoin business.
VanCleef: okey, but is it incoporated?
mircea_popescu: as a bitcoin business.
VanCleef: ohokey cool,like in the country you live or is it offshored?
mircea_popescu: it does not live in any country. it. is. a. bitcoin. business.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04517499 = 0.7228 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50' << i've yet to see this confirmed for homo sapiens vs. homo americanus circa 1940s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but we were discussing homo americanus neh ?
VanCleef: hehe ok so i guess its not incoporated ina traditional sense,like google or facebook is
mircea_popescu: not any more than google or facebook are incorporated in a proper sense, such as mpex is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 695 @ 0.00015014 = 0.1043 BTC [-] {3}
VanCleef: gotcha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04481 = 0.2689 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: emmy noether was a titan. i suspect that we still haven't fully digested her output.
mircea_popescu: im not the only one catching up on logs huh
asciilifeform: what 'physicist' living today is fit even to be beheaded by noether.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beheaded may be going a little far, but la petite mort however...
asciilifeform: ;;google kaishakunin
gribble: Kaishakunin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaishakunin>; The fine art of seppuku: <http://www.win.net/ratsnest/archive-articles21/fog0000000384.html>; Kaishakunin.com - IT-Sicherheitsberatung Magdeburg - Stefan ...: <http://www.kaishakunin.com/>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15398 @ 0.00079777 = 12.2841 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: hmm
nubbins`: that's a euphemism
nubbins`: and reminds me of a website i came across years ago
nubbins`: http://www.beautifulagony.com/public/main.php
asciilifeform: haha
asciilifeform: old news
asciilifeform: it had cultural impact though:
asciilifeform: in russian sf writer viktor pelevin's epic 'SNUFF', the descendants of the americans (living in a mostly broken-down antigrav ship over what remains of russia) continue to decay,
asciilifeform: feminists raised 'age of consent' to 46
asciilifeform: so most porn that anyone would be willing to see is classified as 'child' and forbidden
asciilifeform: so the officially permitted porn consists of watching the censor's faces as they view the forbidden
mircea_popescu: i've seen some pretty hot 50yos...
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: and it becomes known as 'derivative porn' or 'Derp' for short.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
asciilifeform: viewing Derp becomes a mark of a 'cultured' man
asciilifeform: and everybody pretends to like it.
Diablo-D3: I would like to classify feminists as girls who are afraid to grow up and become women
nubbins`: i would like to sit back and have a lel as you folks define feminism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04629946 = 0.1852 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01587764 = 1.5878 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the mistaken notion that while socialism (ie, the salvation of the members of the group through recourse to the group) doesn't work, subsets of this (such as, the salvation of women by recourse to the group) do somehow magically work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0007977 = 4.7631 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because for people that were too fucking lazy and high on their own farts to pay attention in school,
mircea_popescu: proving something like x^2 > 2x is not sufficient, we then have to go individually and show that 4^2 > 8, 5^2 > 10 etc etc
mircea_popescu: "thinking", in america.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00591538 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {3}
artifexd: nubbins` Revisit your mark-karpeles link and lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <MisterE> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/ >>>> is it just me or is this whole article moot in regards to Bitcoin, being that no one uses Intel to mine and even malware was made it would have to somehow run on the ASIC system of the chosen device?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00599369 = 0.1319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: blackwhite those quotes are ridiculous
TomServo: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-14/buffett-s-board-opposes-shareholder-s-dividend-proposal.html
TomServo: Shareholder David Witt, who has a stake valued at about $8,650 based on yesterday’s closing price, proposed the measure, stating that Berkshire has “more money than it needs” and that the board should consider the investors who aren’t billionaires.
blackwhite: well that might be but thats hardly an argument :)
ThickAsThieves: indeed
blackwhite: it doesn't really matter cause even if it has a point it's not really the point.
ThickAsThieves: right
ThickAsThieves: the decimal doesnt matter
ThickAsThieves: and no economic shockwaves will happen due to it or bitcoin's eventual shift from inflationary to static supply
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00079759 = 31.5048 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: what was the source link again?
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide
ozbot: Developer Guide - Bitcoin
bounce: skipped the standard issue FUDwords artcle for the abstract of the paper. it reads like the ecdsa equivalent of the cache hit/miss sidechannel gpg key snatch. ie, don't run bitcoin transactions on shared or even virtual anything boxes. no running wallets on ec2, say.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: isn't everyone tired of cache timing attach being 'reinvented' every month and pushed as a great discovery?
asciilifeform: *attack
Apocalyptic: I for one am
asciilifeform: this almost calls for a memecat graphic or the like.
asciilifeform: 'old attack is old.'
Apocalyptic: and that applies to all these timing side channels attacks
ThickAsThieves: ah i somehow assumed they were talking about mining for some reason
ThickAsThieves: probably from reading all that primecoin pw log
ThickAsThieves: pow*
asciilifeform: yes, letting enemy run code on the box where you crypto is dumb. news at 11.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2206 @ 0.00014942 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking hard to reimplement gpg without caching
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, with fake cache hits for the lulz.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2202 @ 0.000149 = 0.3281 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: still foolish to rely on x86 'rings' for isolation of something genuinely important
thestringpuller: asciilifeform man no one talks about the rings anymore
thestringpuller: lets isolate execution!
asciilifeform: x86 reminds me of certain old soviet apartments, with toilet in the kitchen behind a curtain.
thestringpuller: hahahahaha wow...
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/
ozbot: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.â€
mircea_popescu: in which i'm incredibly fucking mean.
asciilifeform: lol tom knight
mircea_popescu: ;)
asciilifeform: those rats
asciilifeform: fellow i know from india (former physicist) confirmed the famous rat temple
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00080078 = 40.9999 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: said to me, 'i went there before any serious maths exam.'
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: yer supposed to let them nibble on your toes for a bit
mircea_popescu: i prefer less fertile mammals nibbling on my toes.
Diablo-D3: [11:52:16] <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/
Diablo-D3: unless it runs windows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1150 @ 0.00085455 = 0.9827 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: arguably that you can never fix
Diablo-D3: and its the step on the list before reinstalling windows
mircea_popescu: even if you do know what's going wrong
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah
Diablo-D3: windows is just fubar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.23928170 BTC to 3`785 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
VanCleef: sfi what a fail
pLambert: SFI is an "idea" company?
ThickAsThieves: it's an idea that funds ideas
ThickAsThieves: llegedly
ThickAsThieves: a
thestringpuller: that's an amazing idea
VanCleef: what you working on atm ThickAsThieves ?
mircea_popescu: an amazing amazing
mircea_popescu: a pair of twins.
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, I am at a fork in the road
ThickAsThieves: having trouble choosing
VanCleef: hmmmm?
ThickAsThieves: to be even less descriptive, I'm not sure what I want to do next
asciilifeform: http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/06/holy-rats-of-karni-mata.html
ozbot: The Holy Rats of Karni Mata ~ The Ark In Space
VanCleef: yeh i think i'm the same atm, bitfunder really cursed me, cant seem to make any winning moves since then
mircea_popescu: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/24/article-2545066-1AEB2EEB00000578-272_634x822.jpg
mircea_popescu: 'que es ser exitosa hoy"
mircea_popescu: i'll probably dedicate my retirement to loling my ass off over fringe repackaging of anglosaxon bs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00080337 = 7.0078 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: what's the craziest thing you'vedone in thelast 2 months mircea?
mircea_popescu: the shit i do ain't crazy, it has its own internal logic.
VanCleef: i mean the most fun
ThickAsThieves: he means, tell us a story
VanCleef: ya
ThickAsThieves: cuz yknow, trilema isnt big enough
mircea_popescu: ya totally.
nubbins`: TIL you can freeze old cheddar with impunity
VanCleef: outside of btc world :)
nubbins`: idly wondering why the fuck nobody told me this before
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most hard cheeses freeze just fine, tho the purists don't want to admit it.
ThickAsThieves: since i dont think it was linked yet http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/buffett-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog
ThickAsThieves: “Stay away from it,” he said, according to a transcript. “It’s a mirage basically.”
VanCleef: oh yeah i was reading that before, uncle buff makes some good points
nubbins`: read that earlier
ThickAsThieves: “I hope bitcoin becomes a better way of doing it,” he said, but “the idea that it has intrinsic value is a joke.”
ThickAsThieves: i think buffet ran out of good points
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have intrinsic value
mircea_popescu: it has a lot of economic goodwill, of the actual varietyt
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the accounting variety.
mircea_popescu: uncle buff should know all about it, or at least did, cca early 80s
pLambert: mircea_popescu: you seem to hate on NEOBEE much, you think they will fail?
mircea_popescu: pLambert i have a very low oppinion of their ceo is all. ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2221 @ 0.000149 = 0.3309 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: cheese sandwiches are divine
mircea_popescu: this has little to do with failure or success, you know, even a blind dog gets a duck once.
nubbins`: old cheddar, red onion, orange bell pepper, mixed greens, mayo on sourdough
nubbins`: i'd masturbate if my hands were free
VanCleef: i dont know if you guys use cryptostocks but there's like 1 guy on there running about 5 scams atm, its shitty
mircea_popescu: that sounds epic
ThickAsThieves: it took a long time to sort them, but it turns out there are some pretty good vegan cheeses being made
nubbins`: wow, really?
ThickAsThieves: many many horrible ones
mircea_popescu: VanCleef im just sitting back and enjoying deprived's predicament re cryptoscammocks,. atm
Apocalyptic: VanCleef, a well known fact cryptostocks is full of scams
ThickAsThieves: yeahm you just have to know each cheese's place
VanCleef: i'm sure there's a couple of good gems in there
nubbins`: what are they made from? soy?
VanCleef: cannabit seems alright
ThickAsThieves: they are not nearly as flexible
VanCleef: tho share price is doing badly
ThickAsThieves: if i recall, i dont like any soy cheeses
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/portugal-cove-farmer-hopes-to-grow-medical-marijuana-1.2568583
nubbins`: right on
ozbot: Portugal Cove farmer hopes to grow medical marijuana - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: that's like a 20 minute drive
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/0HT0F4g
ozbot: Whoever makes the MtGox story TV special, please get Randy from Trailer Park
nubbins`: leel
mircea_popescu: cads i doubt the square of x and -x can count as different problems in this context.
VanCleef: i was watching this report on colorado w33d vendors who had 2 problems, 1. they couldn't get business bank accounts cause banks were scared 2. they were dealing with massif loads of cash and had to hire like ex mercenary types of p33ps to move the fiat for them.
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/did-russia-just-dump-its-treasury-holdings/?mod=WSJBlog
ozbot: Did Russia Just Dump Its Treasury Holdings? - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: vancleef didnt obama tell banks to ease up on weed growers?
ThickAsThieves: dunno if that actually matters
ThickAsThieves: but i think he may have
VanCleef: i dont know i tune out whenever oh bummer talks
mircea_popescu: MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king <<< markets centralize.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00079968 = 5.553 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Neil i was curious what your estimated jtd would be, at the time of the 2nd tranche ipo of mpoe. ie, two years ago to the day.
VanCleef: in the future people will be saying "man i just got stamped"
pLambert: doesn't have the same ring as I just got Goxxed, but it makes more sense linguistically
ThickAsThieves: why not keep saying goxed
ThickAsThieves: dont let that nigga live it down
mircea_popescu: blackwhite none of those pieces of crud are arguments. they're just flaming ignorance being stubbornly presented by people who are too haughty to read trilema. all that shit's been debunked there cca 2012.
mircea_popescu: that aside, neil has it :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ahaha poor spitoon what a wot.
nubbins`: i know hey?
nubbins`: it's almost too good to leave ratings on
VanCleef: hehe tat
mircea_popescu: indeed lol
mircea_popescu: Neil the thing is, unless bitcoin gets to make the rules we're wasting our time here.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't "a currency" nor much of a "medium of exchange" at all. it's a substitute for government is what it is. in all its forms, from actual electoral validation processes to deciding where you eat today, and how much.
nubbins`: ^ it's true, bitcoin chose the cheese sandwich for me
mircea_popescu: aristotle's politics just became second rate in the field of revolutionary. nakamoto's paper easily takes the top spot
mircea_popescu: nubbins` funny but true, ye know ?
nubbins`: bit of a convoluted process, but yeah
nubbins`: hmm, sourdough starter for btc, shipped worldwide
nubbins` thinks about this
mircea_popescu: Nubbins' Dough ?
mircea_popescu: (accept no substitutes)
chetty: customs just might object nubbins'
nubbins`: the starter itself is just a wild yeast colony that lives in a home of flour and water
nubbins`: chetty, maybe -- i know lots of places in san francisco ship dried starter worldwide
nubbins`: it's the sort of thing that you could make yourself from scratch, but why do that when you can purchase an established starter that's already developed its own taste and characteristics?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` thought : whether you do this or not, do the following : make a website follow the generations.
chetty: cause catching the yeast yourself is more fun!
nubbins`: sourdough pedigree
mircea_popescu: then if you actually sell it down the road, you have a history. if you scrap the thing, whatever. a website.
nubbins`: chetty: it really is :)
nubbins`: i made mine from scratch about a year and a half ago
ThickAsThieves: Dat Dough Dough
nubbins`: there are places in san fran that have been using the same starter for >150 years
mircea_popescu: i heard that too yeah
nubbins`: pretty much a different species at that point
mircea_popescu: well, a subspecies
nubbins`: er yeah, that's what i meant ;(
mircea_popescu: tho... i don't suppose they actually are isolated you know ?
nubbins`: "it's not even yeast anymore!"
nubbins`: well, as much as possible
chetty: it does improve with age, mostly
mircea_popescu: new bugs fall in and contribute genetic material prolly all the time
nubbins`: the big no-no is feeding your starter with anything but plain white flour
nubbins`: that said, yeast is in the air all around us
mircea_popescu: BitChrista you type in the lower bar thing to talk
nubbins`: you can train your starter, too
nubbins`: get it used to different feeding schedules
mircea_popescu: that does something ?
nubbins`: some people feed 2x daily, others 1x
nubbins`: the starter adapts pretty easily
nubbins`: anyway bbl gotta install some venting
chetty: good grief, once a week is plenty
BitChrista: Thanks Mircea_Popescu
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
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mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
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BitChrista: mircea_popescu, what wuestions do you have about CoinVox?
mircea_popescu: floor just fell out of mining again, ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: BitChrista well, what is it, what does it do ?
BitChrista: We are a payment processing platform that allows politicians/ people running for office to accept donations in Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ah that!
mircea_popescu: so do you have some particular angle for that market that puts you in a better position than say bitpay ?
BitChrista: Soon they will be able to accept all cryptocurrencies. We will likely branch out to non-profits and social impact as well
ThickAsThieves: how does it differ from them accepting it directly or via coinbase/bitpay?
ThickAsThieves: do you handle AML or such?
mircea_popescu: bitbet is in crazy mode again, doing 50 btc a day and shit.
BitChrista: There are many regulations for politicians already with just accepting cash donations, It's a little trickier with Bitcoin. I also work for a web marketing company that works with candidates so we know all the regulations and compliance. So we just have the upperhand in the fact that we know how to stay in legal boundaries.
mircea_popescu: this is a us only thing is it ?
BitChrista: ThickAsThieves, I'm sure we will encounter AML at some point but haven't yet.
BitChrista: We want everything to be done legally, no laundering.
ThickAsThieves: i thought you worked with politicians?! ;)
BitChrista: Haha right
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: mp all the best bets are diff ones
ThickAsThieves: maybe a market to target
BitChrista: Even though we are non-partisan, I'm excited because we know which party has all the Bitcoin
BitChrista: muahaha
ThickAsThieves: wait you alreadt have huh
ThickAsThieves: you said something about advertising cex.io
ThickAsThieves: but the reverse might be good
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mircea_popescu: yeah the diff bets are a major part of bitbet, mostly because it's one of the few places where btc holders are well connected to the economy.
mircea_popescu: BitChrista so are you keeping a list of "Best For Bitcoin" politicos somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: like an issues-group or how you call them ?
chetty: BitChrista I doubt many bitcoiners are either party really
mircea_popescu: score all reps etc
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ThickAsThieves: i think she is implying Libertarians
ThickAsThieves: cuz Erik has all the coins
mircea_popescu: aren't the winklejesusii democrat ?
mircea_popescu: and also branson, and a number of other people who have little to nothing to do with bitcoin ?
ThickAsThieves: winkles wont hold those coins for long
mircea_popescu: the mtgoxbtc they had you mean ?
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: they'll prolly hold it undisturbed to judgement day
ThickAsThieves: possibly
ThickAsThieves: plus isnt their whole ETF to sell the coins?
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ThickAsThieves: oh yeah nubbins, i wanted to note that toffoo also had a top 5000 account on that gox trader list
BitChrista: mircea_popescu, I've been doing some research. I have a solid list, mostly of those running for congress. People are starting to come to us though which is nice
mircea_popescu: In insurance, as elsewhere, the reaction of weak managements to weak operations is often weak accounting. (“It’s difficult for an empty sack to stand upright.”)
ThickAsThieves: something like 2500+
mircea_popescu: gotta love buffy, the bezzle slayer
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mircea_popescu: BitChrista that's nice. anyway, fyi, this is the place where bitcoin finance is hatched, so, probably worth your time to lurk.
mircea_popescu: gotta meet politics with finance or else what good is it.
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves toffoo is old time, prolly pre-2013 most of it
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: an important thing to keep in mind looking at the list
ThickAsThieves: which is now gone anyway
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BitChrista: mircea_popescu thank you for introducing me to this chat room. I completely agree, once Bitcoin is in politics it'll be untouchable.
Duffer1: hehe
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mircea_popescu: there's about a billion or so worth of bitcoins represented here, and likely more reachable because the logs make popular morning newspapers for many people
mircea_popescu: so yeah.
ThickAsThieves: most likely way itll end up in politics and wall st is via greed though
mircea_popescu: ofcourse.
ThickAsThieves: good luck have worthy representatives in that case
ThickAsThieves: having*
mircea_popescu: there's more to be made serving bitcoin interest than serving ws interest today, for the young aspiring politician
mircea_popescu: he just needs enough of a clue to figure that out.
ThickAsThieves: i guess any motivation to have people with a clue going into politics is helpful
chetty: they will, politicians smell money
mircea_popescu: the situation is roughly similar with "there's more to be made financing silicon valley cca 1960 than financing banking or energy sector stocks".
ThickAsThieves: currently i
ThickAsThieves: 'm not sure why anything worth anything would choose a life in politics
mircea_popescu: it's a challenge.
Duffer1: the whore olympics
mircea_popescu: don't knock it till you rode it duffy.
mircea_popescu was a politician for most of his lyf.
ThickAsThieves: why stop?
BitChrista: mircea_popescu were you really? I feel like that would weather someone down fast
Duffer1: wow i did not see that coming MP
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i got bored.
mircea_popescu: BitChrista if you think that'd wear someone down, try being mp for a week :D
BitChrista: mircea_popescu Haha!
ThickAsThieves: i can understand that for sure
nubbins`: chetty: once a week?! your poor starter :(
Duffer1: being american i suppose i forgot there's non american politics out there..
BitChrista: Still, please show me a *happy* politician
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta appreciate, romanian politics 1990-2005 much more interesting than anything anyone's seen i nthe us.
mircea_popescu: with perhaps the exception of chicago.
nubbins`: chetty: well, to be fair, that's fine for maintenance -- i've gone as long as two months without feeding mine and successfully revived it -- but i bake every 3 or 4 days
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: saw toffoo's name there. half of -otc is on the list
nubbins`: lightbox is on there ;D
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mircea_popescu: but anyway, for self-c0k stroking purposes : i was one in the "secret circle" of romanian national liberal party, which went from making 3% in an alliance to making its own government by the time i left romania.
mircea_popescu: then i quit it in 2008, at the time it was in power. it looks like it will make... about 3% next electoral cycle.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. it was all me.
nubbins`: liberal party!
Apocalyptic: .d
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nubbins`: ain't no party like a liberal party
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in the east liberal means you know, right of conservative.
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mircea_popescu: this socialist re-defining of liberal is a purely us thing.
ThickAsThieves: like re-defining democrat
mircea_popescu: or everything else.
ThickAsThieves: ideas!
mircea_popescu: but yeah, liberal canonically means, no government, no regulation, free market etc.
nubbins`: funny how it means the opposite some places now
ThickAsThieves: i watched Atlas Shrugged Part 2 last night
mircea_popescu: in romanian parlance of the time, the opposition (ie, what the us bipartisanly does) was called.... communism.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: and you still have your eyes?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that "this is just the old pcr stuff rehashed"
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: it was tough
nubbins`: ayn rand is a pretty big lel
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ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why they are dragging it out over so many installments
nubbins`: shoulda called it "readers shrugged"
Duffer1: ask ayn rand
asciilifeform: does Ro still have a classical communist party?
Duffer1: it's all about dat paper
nubbins`: Duffer1: we can't because she died on welfare D;
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was made illegal in 1990 iirc.
Duffer1: hehe
nubbins`: canada has a communist party, can't say i know much about their operations
mircea_popescu: it might, as a private joke of some bored people somewhere
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i think that one is of the same variety as cpusa
mircea_popescu: cpusa still a thing ?
nubbins`: they might get a vote or two every federal election
asciilifeform: might be just some guy now. it was 100% moscow funded, afaik
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so was it teh putin that sold all those bonds earlier ?
asciilifeform: ask him, not me
nubbins`: about 30% of it was me exiting my position
asciilifeform: but it does smell like 'warning shot'
nubbins`: LEL I KID
mircea_popescu: it does yeah.
nubbins`: pascale agreed to do a 3-hour screenprinting class down at the textiles school today
nubbins`: poor woman
asciilifeform: rand is a kind of niche cult figure here in usa.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: for reasons i still don't quite understand
nubbins`: but hey, people were into limp bizkit
nubbins`: no accounting for taste
asciilifeform: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html
mircea_popescu: fuck this hard drive is going
nubbins`: it's not often i give up on a book partway through
nubbins`: quite infrequently after i pass the 400-page mark
nubbins`: but man oh man
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they don't sell 'raid5' boards where you live?
nubbins`: atlas shrugged... what a fuckin beat-off
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just an ancient system doing various net stuff
mircea_popescu: but the drive just clicked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: swap it for 'ssd' - but specifically, one several times larger than necessary
mircea_popescu: im never using ssd, fuck that shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'write levelling' will give you a good 5+ years of life.
mircea_popescu: i may be the only buyer left for spun drives and crt monitors in a 100 mile radius
asciilifeform: i refuse to run spun drives other than in a r5 harness of 4+
Apocalyptic: crt monitors, really ?
nubbins`: dem rays
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ayup. the magic that you know and love as my endless spam is hatched on electron excitated phosphorus coatings.
ThickAsThieves: i got rid of my last crt a couple years ago, a huge trinitron
asciilifeform: (spun drives from golden age is another matter. i have a 1985 seagate that still runs.)
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: did ya pop it?
mod6: holy shit asciilifeform
nubbins`: very satisfying
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was if memory serves a 1992 seagate.
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ThickAsThieves: no i gave to some disposal place
nubbins`: shame
ThickAsThieves: it was a 24"er
ThickAsThieves: massive
nubbins`: you have to pay $50 to leave a crt at the dump here
nubbins`: but they mostly turn a blind eye
nubbins`: given that the alternative is illegal dumping, of which there's already too much
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ThickAsThieves: we have a nonprofit that handles it
mircea_popescu: i think you actually get paid here
ThickAsThieves: makes sense, isnt there like 8lbs of lead in the big ones
asciilifeform: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/prodpics/PRODPIC-22982-1.jpg
asciilifeform: one of these.
asciilifeform: (pictured is 'maxtor', of same shape)
mircea_popescu: yeah, they mostly reuse them. as long as you give it up clean/sorted (ie, not covered in rotten meatjuices or w/e common garbage) they usually give you a few cents/kg
mircea_popescu: most people just leave the stuff outside on set dates for the dump workers to collect it (they get the respective cents themselkves, sort of like a tip)
asciilifeform: if you love crts, learn to fix them. it isn't optional
asciilifeform: afaik trinitron tube is no longer made.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/blood-donor-payments-to-be-outlawed-in-ontario-1.2572496
ozbot: Blood donor payments to be outlawed in Ontario - Health - CBC News
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or live in a country where they fix shit.
nubbins`: ^ not sure if i'm for or against
nubbins`: on one hand, great way to get people to give blood
nubbins`: on the other hand, great way to get junkies to lie about their past
mircea_popescu: im against. Blutgeld !
nubbins`: on the other other hand, they test all the blood anyway
ThickAsThieves: mp i wonder if part of your reason for needing super large text isnt your crt ;)
mircea_popescu: i don't need it! i like it! there's a difference!
mircea_popescu: and a good crt is way better than the best lcd/lft we you'll ever find.
ThickAsThieves: great for low-rez porn i guess
nubbins`: anyway these "paid donation clinics" weren't even operated by canadian blood services, nor were they collecting for transfusions
nubbins`: if CBS has a problem w/ shortages, maybe they should stop banning queers from donating blood
nubbins`: JUST A THOUGHT
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know designers/print process ppl etc mostly use crts to this day
nubbins`: pantone or nothin' baby, don't trust the screen
asciilifeform: there exists lcd that is acceptable substitute for a trinitron. $2K+.
mircea_popescu: lolk.
ThickAsThieves: not in my experience, but i could see some doing it
ThickAsThieves: i had one for very long
mircea_popescu: uh. what, srsly ?
nubbins`: srsly
mircea_popescu: nubbins` an electron cannon you can actually calibrate to work.
asciilifeform: two vendors i know of - 'eizo' and 'barco'
ThickAsThieves: but once i saw the large Apple monitors
mircea_popescu: these led things, not yet.
ThickAsThieves: i couldng go back
asciilifeform: notice apple not in the list.
ThickAsThieves: now i use the cheapo versions
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not a big deal if you can't also calibrate the client's monitor
asciilifeform: apple does not make optics
asciilifeform: they use, afaik, 'sharp' matrices.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but you're controlling the print process, what's the client to do
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: provide pantone colors ;)
mircea_popescu: lolk
asciilifeform: serious lcds (mentioned above) come with a kind of hockey puck with calibration sensors
pLambert: is there an api call that returns the number of shares of mpex stocks?
asciilifeform: it plugs into jack in the back
ThickAsThieves: yeah i used to calibrate all my shit with expensive stuff
mircea_popescu: pLambert no, the way this is done is that dividends and contracts list the share count.
ThickAsThieves: drove me crazy when i'd hunch over an employee whose monitor was outta whack
pLambert: so I have to read through the contracts and find the shares outstanding?
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: amusing how often people don't realize
ThickAsThieves: amazing really
mircea_popescu: pLambert either that or parse the div payments
nubbins`: "why is everything tinted blue?" "what do you mean?"
pLambert: how do I get the div payments?
nubbins`: then ya fix it and they say "but it's all red now"
nubbins`: facepalm
asciilifeform: the proper 'eizo' can be had used/surplus for $1k or so.
ThickAsThieves: another huge pet peeve i have is when the wife watches the non-hd tv channels
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pLambert: is there a list somewhere of api commands?
nubbins`: ^ hif took a dive
ThickAsThieves: she doesnt care at all
nubbins`: i guess i'm not the only person who noticed topace/lightbox on that gox list
nubbins`: ;p
ThickAsThieves: lol
asciilifeform: i find it strange that people would skimp on a device that they stare at for 12+ hrs/day.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: monitors and chairs
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: pLambert ^ like that
pLambert: nubbins`: HIF is still 4x my bid
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: don't forget - also, keyboards.
nubbins`: pLambert: fifty cents say no divs this quarter
pLambert: just this quarter? how bout this year?
mircea_popescu: divs are overrated anyway
mircea_popescu: a sad sympthom of a cash starved community of shoelace investors.
ThickAsThieves: HIF was always insultingly overpriced
pLambert: says the guy who has the best track record of paying divs in bitcoins?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: pLambert: fair enough
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have what, SGI crt?
mircea_popescu: pLambert well yeah, but still. what's the average dividend across nyse index, 1950 to 1970 ?
nubbins`: unforseen expenses mumble mumble growth mumble
pLambert: I have no idea?
nubbins`: say, what type of cooking oil does everyone use?
nubbins`: a bit OT, i know
ThickAsThieves: we actually had some cooking oil discussion once
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform currently a 21 inch dell thing. i used to have a splendid 24 inch sony but hey.
ThickAsThieves: mostly about burning points
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: that's why i was asking
nubbins`: i use evoo (a waste for frying, really) and it smokes too quickly
mircea_popescu: nubbins` corn or olive
ThickAsThieves: Sony always flirting with being known for quality, then always fucking it up by being weird
mircea_popescu: tho i mostly use butter. it's better for you :D
nubbins`: i may switch to canola for frying
ThickAsThieves: i use mostly olive
nubbins`: patriotic too ;p
ThickAsThieves: but i dont deep fry
ThickAsThieves: other than that 1 week
nubbins`: deep frying in the home is fuckin gross
mircea_popescu: pLambert http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/goog/dividend-history :p
ThickAsThieves: goog keeps saying theyre gonna split
ThickAsThieves: but never happens
nubbins`: i know some cast iron aficionados who only ever use bacon grease
nubbins`: but i don't really eat bacon
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D
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nubbins`: it's funny, the guy who runs javaranch.com (a friendly place for greenhorns!) turned me onto cast iron
mircea_popescu: i have a pot too. they're good for many things.
nubbins`: anyone who spent any amount of time writing java is likely familiar with the site; few realize the guy who runs it is a real simple-living guy
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: like shrimp.
nubbins`: teflon and other non-stick coatings are the biggest con
mircea_popescu: you can never get the shrimp properly cooked other than in a cast iron pot.
nubbins`: http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete bt otherwise your article suffers from a very strangely naive approach. ever heard of a dicelist ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: i was in awe the first time i saw someone cook an omelette on cast iron
nubbins`: it SLID off the fucking pan onto the plate.
mircea_popescu: yup
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/octopus-omlette/ << example.
ozbot: Octopus omlette pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: canned octopus
nubbins`: :o
tim-tams: bingoboingo
nubbins`: shamefully, it's impossible to buy a proper cast iron pan (i.e. one with a machined bottom) these days
nubbins`: you gotta do all the legwork yourself
nubbins`: or buy one on ebay from a rube who never bothered to learn how to use it
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete ah i see it's in the footnote. but yeah, the select from a page process is very dubious (natural languages don't have equally distributed words, it's actually how zipf curves were discovered in the first palce)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: "Lenin seems to have believed that the party, as organized consciousness, consciousness as a decision-making machinery, had superior reasoning power. Indeed, in time this collective body took on an aura of infallibility, which was later elevated to a dogma, and a member’s loyalty was tested, in part, by his acceptance of it. It became part of the communist confession of faith to proclaim that the party was never wron
mircea_popescu: g.... The party itself never makes mistakes."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is narrowly mirrored by the all too fashionable ideea these days that there's some sort of wisdo min the crowds.
mircea_popescu: people firmly believe that codebases magically improve just by adding to them the *possibility* that someone might have read them
mircea_popescu: open source infallibility, the notion that wikipedia is in any sense an encyclopedia, everyone's obsession with crowd-sourcing and usg...
mircea_popescu: it's really quite bolshevik, comrades.
mircea_popescu: (quote via rockwell's restatement of rothbard's rand commentary)
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mircea_popescu: "In a development eerily reminiscent of the organized hatred directed against the arch-heretic Emanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, Rand cultists were required to sign a loyalty oath to Rand; essential to the loyalty oath was a declaration that the signer would henceforth never read any future works of the apostate and arch-heretic Branden."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this shit actually hapepned, too.
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nubbins`: amazing
nubbins`: ...company
ThickAsThieves: so what's up with this NJ banning Tesla thing
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: TIL saltyspitoon was 16 when pirate left that feedback :o
ThickAsThieves: is there an angle that isnt ridiculous?
mircea_popescu: yes. they're fucking dangerous.
asciilifeform: the electromobile firm? or some other tesla
ThickAsThieves: Tesla dealerships are dangerous?
mircea_popescu: the one ton ion battery on wheels.
ThickAsThieves: to middlemen?
nubbins`: the future is dangerous to middlemen too
nubbins` calmly sharpens knives
mircea_popescu: lol
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asciilifeform: if i recall, there were fuses between the smaller cells of which the battery was built.
mircea_popescu: nj wants to extract taxes out of the deal. if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least.
mircea_popescu: seems legit.
ThickAsThieves: i thougt NJ already has a tax system for retail?
mircea_popescu: i think they were exploiting a loophole
ThickAsThieves: ahhh
ThickAsThieves: maybe these articles should lead with that
mircea_popescu: then they could charge for them
ThickAsThieves: these articles only speak of cutting out middle men and new franchise license requirements
ThickAsThieves: i see nothing of tax loopholes
ThickAsThieves: the concept of disallowing direct sales anywhere is what is boggling me
mircea_popescu: but the middle man makes some money, of which it pays some money.
ThickAsThieves: but isnt this about whats in the interest of the consumer?
mircea_popescu: "if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least."
ThickAsThieves: if it's about more opportunities to tax, why dont we have 3 layers of middle man
ThickAsThieves: the more the better!
mircea_popescu: also, afaik nj is an important lobby stronghold for importers in that market.
mircea_popescu: chris christie wants to protect his career, he can't piss off the larger players
ThickAsThieves: so people buy their Tesla in a surrounding state
ThickAsThieves: even worse
mircea_popescu: notrly, let enough do that then slap a surcharge on them
ThickAsThieves: one more reason not to live in NJ i guess
mircea_popescu: but why, they'll make an electric carbit license.
mircea_popescu: best place to be.
ThickAsThieves: meh i need to think about somthing else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.techworm.net/2014/03/mt-gox-leak-archive-tricks-people-to.html
ozbot: Mt. Gox leak Archive tricks people to install Bitcoin stealer Malware. | TechWorm
ThickAsThieves: people are really still this dumb?
Apocalyptic: yes
ThickAsThieves: hacker is distributing an .exe
asciilifeform: 'let's all boot up winblows and run this 700M exe of unknown provenance'
ThickAsThieves: open it up!
Apocalyptic: but it says tibannebackoffice !
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves someone was saying a few days ago about all the bitching that thing caused in ##mtgox
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic was it just a renamed backoriffice for maximal lulz ?
ThickAsThieves: i imagine many were saved merely cuz they downloaded it to their phones
Apocalyptic: haha, don't think so
ThickAsThieves: i cant open this file wtf!
asciilifeform: the real lul is that this trick almost never yields any detectable coin
asciilifeform: because lusers typically haven't any.
asciilifeform: reminiscent of mp's piece re: spam being largely a cargocult
ThickAsThieves: http://issuu.com/playbig/docs/ybitcoin_spring_2014_complete
ozbot: ISSUU - yBitcoin Spring 2014 by PlayBig Digital
ThickAsThieves: see the latest in whose advertising and what Erik has to say
mircea_popescu: it yields the illusion of being "part of the community"
mircea_popescu: in this case, the cool community of haxxorz.
mircea_popescu: im sure while it fails to produce much coin if at all, it produces tons of definitely very valuable "views"
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0033399 = 0.167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12511 @ 0.00080402 = 10.0591 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: which you know, is what the economy of the bankrupt world degenerated into, the economy of views. of which unit of account is one "mom look at me! mom look! mo-om!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3239 @ 0.0008029 = 2.6006 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04722996 = 1.1807 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: "Driven by their conception of rational duty, every Randian lived in – and indeed was himself – a community of spies and informers, ready to ferret out and denounce any deviations from Randian doctrine. Thus, one time a Randian, walking with a girl friend, told her that he had attended a party at which several Randians had made an impromptu tape imitating the voices of the top Randian leaders. Stricken by this dire
mircea_popescu: information and after spending a sleepless night, the girl rushed to inform the top leadership of this terrible transgression. Promptly, the leading participants were called on the carpet by their Objectivist Psychotherapist and bitterly denounced in their "therapy" sessions: "After all," said the therapist, "you wouldn’t mock God." When the owner of the tape refused the therapist’s demand to relinquish it so that
mircea_popescu: it could be inspected in detail, his doom as a member of the movement was effectively sealed."
mircea_popescu: ahaha this shit's too good. did this one actually happen ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04892665 = 0.7339 BTC [+] {10}
ThickAsThieves: if they were lucky
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0502941 = 0.855 BTC [+] {7}
TomServo: nubbins`: peanut oil has a high burn point, great for frying fish
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6189 BTC [-]
HeySteve: the first Diesel engine ran on peanut oil
HeySteve: it's good stuff
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.0008043 = 24.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06144302 = 2.642 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06669939 = 0.5336 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: TomServo: so greasy tho!
nubbins`: fish is the one thing that i dislike frying in cast iron
nubbins`: we usually buy skin-on salmon and it gums the fuck out of the pan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426987.0
ozbot: New MicroSoul coins for the masses 0.01
nubbins`: hologram misspellings now an intentional feature, it seems
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/444550285651107840
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: KRAMER: Will you look at this? ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.0033399 = 0.157 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` supposedly this is how art evolves. mistakes end up baked in by their success.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12874 @ 0.00080105 = 10.3127 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so basically in rothbard's reading, this rand character is the quintessential balabusta, a staid, obnoxious, overarching yet profoundly ignorant and puritanical fat old woman.
nubbins`: i didn't realize she was fat
mircea_popescu: me either. but from reading this i can't imagine the woman under 200ish lbs
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.0034 = 0.2414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008043 = 11.22 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=9466412
ozbot: Pinkberry co-founder Young Lee sentenced to 7 years in 2011 beating of transient | abc7.com
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00079762 = 20.3792 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: interesting how they capitalize Good Samaritans
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy shoulda started a police department instead of a frozen yogurt brand.
nubbins`: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/1458235/weak-apple-prng-threatens-ios-exploit-mitigations
ozbot: Weak Apple PRNG Threatens iOS Exploit Mitigations - Slashdot
asciilifeform: lol!
nubbins`: apparently it's worse than the old one.
asciilifeform: why a gizmo where the manufacturer controls the whole stack, silicon up, needs any prng at all, remains a mystery.
mircea_popescu: "needs".
mircea_popescu: apple aren't engineers, they're like yahoo. a media buying company.
asciilifeform: they stamp out their own 'arm' clone now
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nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6
ozbot: Apple A6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: designed by apple, stamped by samsung
asciilifeform: many famous semiconductor firms are 'fabless'
asciilifeform: e.g. the late Sun
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: and why not, really
asciilifeform: sparc was built at toshiba, if i recall.
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Hello
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/george-street-girls-topless-for-kirill-sparks-outrage-1.2572990
ozbot: George Street girls topless for Kirill sparks outrage - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: byline: "CBC has learned underage girls were among those photographed"
nubbins`: ah, my sides.
nubbins`: so much for your brand new nightclub, guys
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nubbins`: from the club: "Due to the recent uproar caused by photos taken from our opening weekend, females [sic] patrons are advise [sic] of the following rule changes: 1) females are restricted from wearing clothes that expose more then 25 percent of there [sic] body. 2) exposure of breasts is strictly prohibited 3) the dance craze known as Twerking is banned until further notice. Other forms of dancing
nubbins`: will be acceptable if deemed non sexual by nature."
nubbins`: ahahah.
mircea_popescu: but i like twerking
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially: ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://blog.brukerafmprobes.com/2011/06/scanning-capacitance-microscopy-scm
ozbot: Scanning Capacitance Microscopy – SCM » Bruker Blog
nubbins`: aha!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10488 @ 0.00080222 = 8.4137 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you have something to recommend for hardware RNGs ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: unsurprisingly, i recomment... mine.
asciilifeform: *recommend
tim-tams: BingoBoingo, you still here?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/
Apocalyptic: the Cardano ?
ozbot: BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia
mircea_popescu: jurov so how's that look, is the guy winning or what ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/baked.png
nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/the-law-page/canadian-lawsuit-to-seek-500-million-from-mt-gox-bitcoin-exchange/article17500209/?cmpid=rss1
ozbot: Canadian lawsuit to seek $500-million from Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange - The Globe and Mail
dignork: mircea_popescu, http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/, can you explain in few words why it made sence to me, I'm not from India
nubbins`: dat discovery
dignork: s/sence/sense
mircea_popescu: dignork where you from ?
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6m66tFK71re5la5o1_1280.jpg << ipo worthy ?
dignork: mircea_popescu, complicated question, but not from India :)
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dignork: mircea_popescu, let's say from USSR
mircea_popescu: well why do i speak english, im not from scotland, you know ?
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Not for too long, going out drinking soon
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Per the blog url http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
dignork: mircea_popescu, just a popular language
mircea_popescu: apparently wir sind alle aus Indien
asciilifeform: lol
nubbins`: don't panic, we're sorta germanic
tim-tams: BingoBoingo why did you want to burn youmeandbtc.com with fire? haha
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Looks too modern, also too much empty space
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mircea_popescu: (read that in a kennedy accent)
dignork: mircea_popescu, historically we might be, but it was too long ago
mircea_popescu: dignork anyway, the honest answer is that i've greatly overstated what's likely happenstance to make an otherwise valid and much more general point.
tim-tams: BingoBoingo is that sarcasm?
mircea_popescu: which is kinda how this entire expression trick goes.
tim-tams: To me I always thought the design was badish and it was way too busy
tim-tams: at least on the top
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Maybe that's the part that makes me a bit queasy
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Something about it just doesn't look right
tim-tams: BingoBoingo well, tonight that site should be gone
BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps
tim-tams: BingoBoingo: does that mean good or bad?
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dignork: BingoBoingo, regarding html lists etc: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf
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dub: I refuse to open a goddamn pdf on such a topic
nubbins`: dub: in summary it says blah blah mumble blah
dignork: dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reN5vaSADKQ
dub: flash, thats better
dub moves lawn people along
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1728785/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 6 ✂︎
dignork: dub, youtube can serve html5 video, if you believe it's better than flash
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.11950724 = 5.8559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00349362 = 0.283 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00349398 = 0.3529 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 12000 @ 0.00333023 = 39.9628 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6188999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00079827 = 11.7745 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: anyone have a mirror for BTCMSG?
thestringpuller: or is that dead?
ThickAsThieves: can you have both a gpg and bitcoin registration in the same WoT listing?
ThickAsThieves: I see the hint of instructions on how to change it, but not clear on whether it just replaces it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60602 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol WSJ has been making many typos lately "Weibo, Twitter’s China, Files for IPO in the U.S."
ThickAsThieves: " 4
ThickAsThieves: inShare
ThickAsThieves: Today, the US government gave up a major portion of its control over the day-to-day functions of the internet, as the US Department of Commerce announced it was giving up its oversight role over ICANN"
ThickAsThieves: bled dry and left for the rats
ThickAsThieves: http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/12/watch-rep-jared-polis-subject-cash-to-th
ozbot: Watch Rep. Jared Polis Subject Cash to the Bitcoin-Regulation Test - Hit & Run : Reason.com
ThickAsThieves: hosted by Kennedy from MTV, lol
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dub: dealing with support people at a chinese supplier named Judith, Englebert and Romeo
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.11950724 = 3.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00349397 = 0.1992 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.00356026 = 0.6551 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07398797 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.0036381 = 0.1164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0036797 = 0.7507 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24085 @ 0.00079933 = 19.2519 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00079708 = 7.9429 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 46 @ 0.04500191 = 2.0701 BTC [-] {3}