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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 23:34:47; mats: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713
williamdunne: phf: Objects aren't created in a very accessible manner. Simply received from an event
phf: williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed
phf: they should
phf: *it should rather
williamdunne: phf: if I just run it, it has no inputs. Or am I just entirely derping?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00058424 = 4.5571 BTC [-]
phf: williamdunne: correct (on both)
phf: this is sort of like redefining Object.toString or object.__str__
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00060522 = 19.4276 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23822 @ 0.00059266 = 14.1183 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143916358308848&w=2
assbot: 'Re: radeondrm firmware archive problem?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tiy1o8 )
phf: williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as #<FOO #x123123> or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as #<FOO (value . 1) (value2 . "hello")> i
phf: nstead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do ?
mircea_popescu: lol
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phf: ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548
gernika: phf - been following along - that's what I get
phf: gernika: does yours also fail? logs please
gernika: yes. one sec.
phf: thanks!
gernika: phf: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs.tar.gz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYbuLj )
phf: now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions
gernika: I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other
gernika: Looks like I've got gcc42 as well
phf: xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics
phf: homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!
phf: and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use
ben_vulpes: phf: i have, will again
ben_vulpes: phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'
phf: did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00062695 = 14.8274 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits ☟︎☟︎
phf: ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code
scoopbot_revived: Racists and the racist idea http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/
gernika: phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00062699 = 20.5339 BTC [+] {4}
phf: that's a correct hash
phf: btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.000627 = 5.1101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00060891 = 4.2057 BTC [-]
gernika: phf: failed: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs-1439172323.tar.gz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IS4FHk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43245 @ 0.00061194 = 26.4633 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.
asciilifeform: half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit
asciilifeform: just - in principle, possible.
asciilifeform: 'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood'
asciilifeform: 'what medical skill? it's like shitting, anyone can do it'
asciilifeform: 'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.'
asciilifeform: yes, yes they can.
asciilifeform: btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00062806 = 29.8957 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did mention it's controversial :)
mircea_popescu: !up bassguitarman
asciilifeform: aha/
mircea_popescu: i like teh approach phf
phf: a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again
asciilifeform: phf: samet!
asciilifeform: phf: never saw him in person, but we had his book.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?
asciilifeform: and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad
asciilifeform: than anything in sicp
mircea_popescu: i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.
phf: mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it
asciilifeform: and hell, 90% failure rate is ~mandatory~ in freshmen 'weeders'
asciilifeform: so there's gotta be some other part of this story.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this used to be sop
phf: asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript
mircea_popescu: the drawing lots ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no. the 90%
mircea_popescu: ah yes.
mircea_popescu: add the lots, take the power from the people.
asciilifeform: notbad.
phf: asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept
asciilifeform: in its entire history.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform blows dust off samizdat xerocopy of samet
asciilifeform blows dust off priceless original
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232560 << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)
mircea_popescu: what even is "absolute path"
asciilifeform: path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... wtf.
asciilifeform: as in, /home/schmuck/foo/bar/rotor/toolchain
asciilifeform: and yes, wtf
asciilifeform: hey, gcc doesn't expect to move.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232567 << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?
phf: there's no guy debord for u.s. universities
mircea_popescu: but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or like brezhnev's 'communism is coming in 1980'
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: 'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232677 << i lolled. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 21:19:32; jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaand....
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B5963F9EB8534A2D1D382180AF41F6EDB977FF994BBB58431DDC7E7E636E0522
mircea_popescu: lmao "Shazam" wtf.
asciilifeform: (first of new batch!)
asciilifeform: and can we mebbe get lobbesbot again ?
mircea_popescu: "2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.
asciilifeform: http://www.bmlvs.gv.at << lol
assbot: Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport - bmlvs.gv.at ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzsD7 )
phf: asciilifeform: you might enjoy reading his autobiography, Panegyric, http://debordiana.chez.com/english/panegyric.htm
assbot: Panegyric. Volume I ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzvyO )
mats: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BOX+Interactive#range=1y
assbot: BOX Interactive Stock Chart | Yahoo! Inc. Stock - Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfztqQ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00061284 = 11.4601 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: gcd==12884901891; Herbert Saurugg <herbert.saurugg@bmlv.gv.at>; Herbert Saurugg (aufgrund der Umstellung auf BMLVS - 2009) <herbert.saurugg@bmlvs.gv.at>;
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mats: 14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.
mircea_popescu: i can see it
asciilifeform: thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'
mircea_popescu: everything does benefit from being written by folks with day jobs.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however.
mircea_popescu: the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.
asciilifeform: i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.
mircea_popescu: what'd the proof look like ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25839 @ 0.00061284 = 15.8352 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers
asciilifeform: (a la steve jobs)
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~
mircea_popescu: can anything in b-a qualify ?
asciilifeform: as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp)
asciilifeform: qualify as... ?
asciilifeform: as proof ?
asciilifeform: could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do
mircea_popescu: as "sphere which..."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting
mircea_popescu: lol jesus help us, look here : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-09.log.html#t22:33:53
assbot: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-08-09 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfB2VM )
asciilifeform: but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'
asciilifeform: ^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using
asciilifeform: after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1954 @ 0.00061194 = 1.1957 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed.
asciilifeform: how?
mircea_popescu: well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.
asciilifeform: if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's very bad "fiction" : it presents us the nonsensical construct of a lone man that's part of the british empire.
mircea_popescu: for obvious ideological reasons, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: a brick falling is definitely managed.
asciilifeform: or what, i sit and write a sorter, and so i'm being managed by kerr knuth!?
asciilifeform: what honour!
asciilifeform: but i do not think this corresponds to the generally-understood meaning of the word 'management'
mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: depends generally understood by whom.
asciilifeform: conceivably. but would not be so tall without 'giant's shoulders'
mircea_popescu: !up dbit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management as generally understood say by dilbert's strip is a sort of dour nagging.
mircea_popescu: management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points ☟︎
asciilifeform: i like to think of the more positive, stalin sense
mircea_popescu: (it's the view i moistly take)
mircea_popescu: and yes, that also.
dbit: mircea_popescu, can I have a Eulora account?
mircea_popescu: !rated dbit
assbot: dbit is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: get in the wot first eh.
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
mircea_popescu: ^ see first steps article there
dbit: ok
mike_c: ;;rated dbit
gribble: You rated user dbit on Mon Jul 28 12:01:35 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: None.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... you wouldn't propose the alarm clock is a manager would you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233014 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233009 then 'management' and 'programming skill' are entirely one and the same thing in that field. ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:02:39; mircea_popescu: management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:00:47; mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
mircea_popescu: the derps may call it "A time management device", but hey.
asciilifeform: in that one creates artifacts that become foundational for future people.
mircea_popescu: dbit oh if you already have a key just need it passed to assbot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect you misnomer management as "programming skill"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i happen to regard the alarm clock as the single most destructively irritating thing in my entire existence
mircea_popescu: programming skill is necessarily "having preloaded in your head which words make bash not do this particular stupid thing"
asciilifeform: that's rather like saying that 'literary skill is good penmanship'
asciilifeform: yes, related. no, not equivalent.
mircea_popescu: there is definitely a lot of management involved in being a competent computer handler, by the nature of the thing
mircea_popescu: i guess this resolves our standing dispute re whores/programmers. turns out it was a misunderstanding.
asciilifeform: not sure if involved. at least in the usual sense. thing isn't a horse, or dog, more like a very ill-tuned piano
asciilifeform: it doesn't respond to incentives
asciilifeform: only massaging
mircea_popescu: management is not psychiatry.
mircea_popescu: you manage factories (also ill tuned pianos) not individual women on their period.
asciilifeform: but if your colleagues are insane ?
asciilifeform: then - psychiatry.
mircea_popescu: everything bleeds over a little, but still./
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaand....
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD
asciilifeform: gcd==141733920801; Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) <lbuszmicz@zimbra.itx.net>;
mircea_popescu: lol did you manage talking lobbes into letting you do these by hand ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ? ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: the ml patching guide (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html) step 0x07] Clean Source Base involves manifests which i take it are part of the guide's referenced patch tarballs. given the stator patch battery is single .patch file only, how's one to handle this step (and why does guide assume patch will come in ball?)?
asciilifeform: mod6 ?
asciilifeform had no part in writing the linked recipe
asciilifeform: and hanbot did you notice that this guide long pre-dates stator ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00063094 = 3.0285 BTC [+] {2}
hanbot: i did. is there a new&improved patching guide? i missed it if so
asciilifeform: i am unaware of it
asciilifeform: unless the automatic script created by ben_vulpes is one
asciilifeform: (i have not, unfortunately, tested the latter)
asciilifeform: and there is this, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html by mod6
assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : TestersNeeded! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )
asciilifeform: but not a patching guide, rather, patches were applied. but it tells you which, and you can obtain previous release tarball, apply them yourself, and compare the result.
hanbot: i think ben_vulpes' thingy was solely for dependencies + release, sans patching, could be wrong.
hanbot: i'll have a look at the test2 bit.
asciilifeform: hanbot: what are you trying to build ?
asciilifeform: i might be able to help
dbit: !register DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 11F125B2 / "David Cirello <dbit3434@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
hanbot: still want to build stator, "manually": release + six-patch battery required to achieve stator. verified release will run on my (32bit) ubuntu box w/ mod6. so now, patching (for which i was following said guide, all six patches sha1sum & sig verified)
dbit: !up
dbit: !up dbit
trinque: dbit: /msg assbot !up
trinque: but you already are.
dbit: mircea_popescu, ok I got registered
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36703 @ 0.00063095 = 23.1578 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10441 @ 0.00063093 = 6.5875 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: hanbot: yes, fails spectacularly to produce a bitcoin and makes the operator take over patching at that point.
mircea_popescu: ok dbit one sec
ben_vulpes: provides, however, all tools to compile bitcoin
ben_vulpes: kicking off a new run, phf
phf: ben_vulpes: one sec, i almost pushed another patch
ben_vulpes: ah shoot
ben_vulpes: and by 'kicking off' i mean 'kicked off 2 minutes ago and was distracted by lawgz'
phf: haha
ben_vulpes: anyways, hit me up when you push your patch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did eventually succeed with the rotor/stator combo
phf: a build process tool, relaytool, used in some ungodly way to produce a dynamic libraries during build. uses bash to work and is so specified in #!... configure wants to run it by explicitly providing bash /bin/bash ./bin/relaytool. somehow doesn't detect bash, so calls /bin/sh instead, which puts bash in sh emulation mode and breaks relaytool. this, and much more, in todays adventures with eulora builds!
ben_vulpes: phf: http://how-i-feel-rn.shithouse.tv/
assbot: how-i-feel-rn ... ( http://bit.ly/1TiZu95 )
phf: this is sasha grey level of whoring programmer/whore depravity
ben_vulpes: you like it
ben_vulpes: don't lie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21189 @ 0.00062635 = 13.2717 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: programmering is beyond learned helplessness
ben_vulpes: it's learned masochism
ben_vulpes off to welcome $bizpartner back from a week's vacation
mircea_popescu: dbit http://dpaste.com/2QT18RW
assbot: dpaste: 2QT18RW ... ( http://bit.ly/1TiZFRQ )
mircea_popescu: ima meet you in game in a bit give you some starter stuff.
dbit: thank you
mircea_popescu: !rate dbit 1 Eulorian
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phf: oh right 9pm on west coast
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.dbit.1:f9c0e65452e21e9f222864a8a209c03aa4eb166fdcc2e374893948aae2f71014
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for dbit with note: Eulorian
mircea_popescu: phf nuts omg.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00061622 = 6.0081 BTC [-]
phf: gernika, ben_vulpes: new patch, 7129357156859d81c987e210d26ba552fdc49350
mod6: hanbot: yeah, the guide needs to be updated. It's on the to-do list, just had my hands full lately. I can help you get patched up from v0.5.3.1 if you like. We can work on that this week.
mod6: Meanwhile, I can offer you a script that I use to patch up through maxint_locks_corrected from v0.5.3.1 -- it's not a guide, but if you read the steps, it's what needs to happen and in what order. The new (forthcoming) guide will be based on these steps: http://dpaste.com/0YVSD6Q.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gruaIF )
mod6: I'm going to be afk for the rest of the night, but I can perhaps talk about it with you tomorrow.
hanbot: mod6 awesome, ty for the script, will check it out!
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232890 << 1st from archive's point of view https://archive.is/76hSK ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
assbot: pay for your tits - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1grw8IZ )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213181 << I'd like to transition my twitter bashing of this channel to my own blog, and would like it to be hosted by that BISP thing but not directly, like rent out some space on someone else's thingy. Is this a possibility yet? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 15:35:35; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00061622 = 4.8065 BTC [-]
gernika: phf looks like cs built!
phf: woot
danielpbarron: !up coderwill
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot coderwill
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user coderwill: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=coderwill | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/coderwill/
coderwill: thanks
danielpbarron: try verifying it here
coderwill: i was switching my nick, maybe that had something to do w/ it.
gernika: phf: eulora build failed: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs-1439182301.tar.gz
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1grxp2P )
phf: final boss
coderwill: danielpbarron:
coderwill: when you said "verify" did you mean try to !up again?
coderwill: side note - saw citizenfour last night. am having trouble grasping how high school drop-out supposedly gained access to all kinds of stuff across all kinds of platforms by the age of 29. somethings seems off w/ that whole thing.
coderwill: ...not that there is anything wrong w/ dropping out of any sort of educational system.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00062224 = 19.165 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i dunno that anyone does that yet
wilbns: sorry for all that
mircea_popescu: the notion that "all kinds of stuff over all kinds of platforms" is in any sense locked down's amiss.
wilbns: danielpbarron: thanks for trying to help me
mircea_popescu: someone could also shoot a bunch of people by the time they're 29.
phf: gernika: why not relax with a new eulora build formula?
mircea_popescu wonders how many people implemented a "textual replacement lisp interpreter" in bash/perl/php just to bother their sicp prof.
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it just seemed like something was/is a bit strange about the whole ordeal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00062441 = 24.3208 BTC [+] {4}
phf: that seems like an artisan level troll
wilbns: BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do?
punkman: http://browsers.evolt.org/ ☟︎
assbot: | browsers.evolt.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISlAJS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28640 @ 0.00062466 = 17.8903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.0006306 = 13.1165 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.99, Best ask: 266.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 266.0, 24 hour volume: 16462.09261698, 24 hour low: 261.63, 24 hour high: 267.6, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34454 @ 0.00063192 = 21.7722 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <wilbns> BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do? << His body language, his carriage, when he does and doesn't express discomfort. Coincidences between Greenwald finding things out and things going to shit...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26390 @ 0.00063191 = 16.6761 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00062375 = 13.1611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20494 @ 0.00063245 = 12.9614 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9106 @ 0.00063342 = 5.7679 BTC [+]
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.95, Best ask: 264.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.96, 24 hour volume: 15841.2556001, 24 hour low: 261.63, 24 hour high: 267.6, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46647 @ 0.00061538 = 28.7056 BTC [-] {5}
shinohai: !up TRS80_
shinohai: $phuctor 2
TRS80_: shinohai: 2015-08-10T08:10:23+0000: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann <toho89@gmail.com>; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AD29DC660DB7496B01D608486E6062A27E35F35C32CFD3E2F35FC1409374187#E5D971BED516F3DAD920A90EF1FC17998F15DC52F179A95E45EA559544E77A4D> | 2015-08-10T08:10:23+0000: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda <reda.julia@googlemail.com>; ) (1 more message)
shinohai: $more
TRS80_: shinohai: <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B412BD191BF10DAB6AAB6A8779A3F08D31AC5E3FB748DDBFB1DB18CDF05B6BEF#6269187B70BE0F1B4094A0DCA78923F50E78C97F8B3999BAB3DE5974003B393F>
shinohai: ^ new ones O.o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00063342 = 10.7048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00060795 = 32.6469 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16778 @ 0.00063342 = 10.6275 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232890 #2 down under ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/zynga-continues-bleeding/
assbot: Zynga Continues Bleeding | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXrD6R )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95418 @ 0.00060257 = 57.496 BTC [-] {5}
shinohai: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/families-sa-paedophile-shannon-mccoole-sentenced-to-35-years-in-jail-for-horrific-sexual-abuse-of-children-in-care/story-fni6uo1m-1227474133348
assbot: No Cookies | The Advertiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXshkT )
shinohai: ^ Gets less time than DPR.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23542 @ 0.00063342 = 14.912 BTC [+]
cazalla: shinohai, prob the tip of the iceberg, i assume a lot of paedos work in such professions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00062827 = 6.0942 BTC [-]
punkman: everyone gets less time than DPR
shinohai: I'm just smh at the state of priorities in the "Criminal Justice System".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00062827 = 4.4293 BTC [-]
cazalla: a lot of thieving goes on in those government homes for disabled people down under too.. the clients get welfare and from that the care takers pocket chunks of it by claiming they spent more than they did ($5 lunch becomes $15 lunch type of shit)
shinohai: That was the premise for an episode of "Better Call Saul". Happens quite often here in teh US too.
punkman: it's a common scam
shinohai: Of course, I'm not a senior but was quite outraged at the cost of everyday items my last hospital stay.
shinohai: $100 for some goddamned kleenex
punkman: greece hasn't reach that level of ridiculousness yet, but all hospital supplies are way overpriced
shinohai: It's cheaper for me to hire a private nurse. I get better care and don't have to be in a filthy hospital.
punkman: they just came out with "food stamps" in the form of ATM cards reloaded monthly with 70-200eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00060978 = 27.1352 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: and apparently they've spent about 10mil euros in 11 days through the cards
shinohai: There is a whole black market (pun intended) for food stamps/drugs here.
cazalla: shinohai, a stay in hospital is pretty well subsidised here if you go public and don't mind the total lack of service, or you can go private (we don't really have pre-existing condition stuff here.. if you take out private health insurance, any pre-existing condition is covered after 12 months)
BingoBoingo: http://imagehaul.com/thehauls/f425941a9fa87cc472c38fe5418c0b2837cc6405.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISDiwP )
shinohai: LOLZ
punkman: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15899 @ 0.00060582 = 9.6319 BTC [-]
shinohai: http://40.media.tumblr.com/5c7beee60375c2c2f0557414fd61e1cc/tumblr_myzddryn2l1ritdbzo1_500.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ISDw6Z )
shinohai: Also, this shit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148679.0
assbot: DOWNLOAD: Bitcoin XT 0.11A is now released (bigger blocks support) ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdBolo )
punkman: who's the icebreaker fellow
Naphex: shinohai: roflmao :]
shinohai: I dunno, but I like his style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84350 @ 0.00063433 = 53.5057 BTC [+] {5}
cazalla: you'd think hearn and co would at least put up a few dozen extra xt nodes to fool people into thinking the mass of /r/bitcoin posts demanding xt discussion are legit
shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/ still shows only ~125
assbot: XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/leverage/
assbot: Leverage ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdIGpq )
cazalla: zzz 6am start :\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00063572 = 7.2154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00060701 = 7.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00063722 = 30.0449 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: programmers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.0006379 = 66.7243 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: Pro-Grammar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30150 @ 0.00064069 = 19.3168 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai: I'm Pro-Hammer
shinohai because hammers can fix anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72616 @ 0.00061604 = 44.7344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31558 @ 0.00060978 = 19.2434 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: http://www.businessinsider.com/berkshire-hathaway-to-buy-precision-castparts-2015-8 O.o
assbot: Berkshire Hathaway to buy Precision Castparts - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1ht6q7P )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00060285 = 12.1173 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00059743 = 35.7861 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40920 @ 0.00060678 = 24.8294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00059632 = 17.174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5837 @ 0.0005963 = 3.4806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15463 @ 0.00059384 = 9.1825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00059384 = 29.9295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50240 @ 0.00060678 = 30.4846 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39505 @ 0.00060678 = 23.9708 BTC [+]
shinohai: http://3dprint.com/87970/liberator-injunction-denied/
assbot: Cody Wilson Denied Requested Injunction in His Ongoing 3D Printed Gun Lawsuit - 3DPrint.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlhzSc )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14549 @ 0.00059905 = 8.7156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00060601 = 27.8765 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00060678 = 5.8858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00059384 = 9.2045 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: The full orchestra! :) Fedora-20-x64 ☟︎
shinohai: \o/
funkenstein_: TEST2 script took some of the fun out of it, thing has the gameplay of "progress quest"
gernika: phf: eulora built! Crashes though: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/crashdump.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZuBoE )
gernika: ;;later tell phf eulora built! Crashes though: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/crashdump.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZuBoE )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport <-- doesn't seem an obvious target of diddled crypto
funkenstein_: "the State Department’s order to remove the digital files of his 3D printable handgun from his website" <-- good strategy. Fight the enemy over their demand for time machine, keep them busy and away from live targets
funkenstein_: I think they should publish on court website exactly the number which they forbid to be published just so we all know not to publish it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00060595 = 23.8138 BTC [+] {5}
shinohai: xD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00061701 = 29.6782 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/man-shot-by-police-in-ferguson-after-he-fired-at/article_baaf86fd-2de0-53a7-b840-1941159aa5c7.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-teens-walking-near-michael-brown-memorial-wounded-in-ferguson/article_5856e193-045f-5bf7-80c9-e0a96c621baf.html
assbot: Man shot by police in Ferguson after he fired at officers, police say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MY5Yvo )
assbot: Two teens walking near Michael Brown memorial wounded in Ferguson drive-by shooting : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MY606o )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58602 @ 0.00059009 = 34.5805 BTC [-] {6}
shinohai: Ferguson burns down in 3...2..1
wilbns: BingoBoingo: thanks for following-up... yeah, some stuff did seem a little strange w/ greenwald. also, not sure if you perceived this, but from my perspective, parts of the doc seemed a little scripted or rehearsed.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233251 << congrats funkenstein_ ! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 14:35:19; funkenstein_: The full orchestra! :) Fedora-20-x64
shinohai: ascii_field: mod6 and I having an unusual bug on Ubuntu 14.04 http://dpaste.com/1PCQ44J.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZTu31 )
shinohai: !up n6
n6: ascii_field: we talked about DETERMINISTIC builds the other day would that be somehting like Distcc too on gentoo where you can build something on x86 for arm?
n6: let me rephrase, that doesn't make any sense sorry.
shinohai: Something like that, though I still can't make cross-compilation work. I'm not the wizard ascii_field is.
ascii_field: shinohai: i don't see an error
ascii_field: i see harmless -Wall barf
ascii_field: n6, shinohai: search the ml for 'pogotron'. yes, buildroot builds for arm, mips, whatever
n6: ascii_field: I want to build gentoo using a x86 but for an armv7a, using something like distcc? would that make the builds DETERMINISTIC since everything you would need would be included?
ascii_field: see above
n6: what does ml mean here?
ascii_field: i posted a working example of this months ago
shinohai: mod6 says it builds a binary but won't run. As soon as mine completes I'll confirm.
ascii_field: n6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
shinohai: I did the pogotron thing and still wound up with a x86 binary
ascii_field: prolly didn't copy the config
ascii_field: otherwise can't fathom how.
phf: !up ascii_field
phf: gernika: can you also give me a log of $(eulora_brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient > euclient-run.log 2>&1
phf: err, $(brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient > euclient-run.log 2>&1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00058836 = 14.4442 BTC [-] {2}
n6: ascii_field: why should I check both sigs here, and how?
ascii_field: n6: please do your homework
ascii_field: n6: i.e. 'why to check sigs' is a question you should be able to answer
n6: ascii_field: yea this gentoo thing has me under a lot of pressure, working on going down a more sane path today. Homework first then attack the problem, last few days tried attacking first and it hasnt worked out.
ascii_field: n6: relax.
shinohai: If you have to ask "why check sigs" then I can't even begin ....
n6: ascii_field: How do I check his key here? Only see yours.
ascii_field: download a copy of the key
ascii_field: (from sks, for example)
ascii_field: can also use gpg --recv-key [keyid]
n6: thanks thats what I was looking for.
n6: ascii_field: tried to import your key to just to test and get http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ
assbot: dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
ascii_field: use gpg 1.4
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ << lulzy
assbot: dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu waves
shinohai: kek
shinohai: !up n6
n6: ascii_field: The only way to get that for OS X is to build from source using https://www.gnupg.org/download/ ?
assbot: GnuPG - Download ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXWyM )
ascii_field: n6: or use 'ports', or 'fink'
ascii_field: or get a real computer
n6: I'm working on the real computer thing, its a long road.
mircea_popescu: nuts that it should be.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42431 @ 0.00060953 = 25.863 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: kina like when you had to build own airplane
ascii_field: where did anyone get the idea that this is 'easy' and 'friendly' ?
n6: My wings keep falling off.
punkman: n6, you could also just fix your gpg config
ascii_field: obligatory:
ascii_field: 'I'm positively _delighted_ that I can buy consumer products so cheaply and so conveniently, but -- get this -- I'm not in the business of making microwave ovens or wine glasses or books or speakers, but I _do_ expect those who _are_ to have professional tools, so I can buy consumer goods inexpensively with moderately high quality. I don't _want_ Joe Blows' Homemade Microwave Oven, OK?'
ascii_field: ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3065132899827911@naggum.no.html )
assbot: Re: Why lisp failed in the marketplace - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYmW2 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field get out. by the time oil was a central commodity to civilisation for fifty years, it was trivial to get an engine deployed to spec. TO SPEC!!!11
mircea_popescu: by the time electricity was a central commodity, idem.
ascii_field: well yes.
ascii_field: but this time was different.
mircea_popescu: fucking computation has to be special because all the fucktards wanna be important in their own heads and power range around
ascii_field: the tech did not grow up.
mircea_popescu: it was different because libertards.\
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/pVvgyly.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYxAH )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if only.
mircea_popescu: which btw, reminds me i came up with an excellent slogan to inhibit the cancer.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: also because the relevant tech simply did not mature
ascii_field: we're still at the point of the marginal steam-engine planes of 1898
ascii_field: that kind sorta lift off the ground, if no wind
mircea_popescu: whenever you run across one of these "software projects" in bootstrap/qt/whatever the fuck tell them "This is not programming, this is hogramming. Be a pro, don't be a ho."
ascii_field: and go up twenty metres and fall apart
mircea_popescu: because srsly, pros before hos.
mircea_popescu is half tempted to buy github, turn it off and just display that page everywhere.
ascii_field: ^ mega-pr0ject
n6: ascii_field: installed ports but still don't see path to gpg infact don't even see a "port" command used https://www.macports.org/install.php "OS X 10.10 Yosemite"
assbot: The MacPorts Project -- Download & Installation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZYNQa )
ascii_field: after that let's buy whitehouse and open pay toilet
mircea_popescu: whitehouse you don't buy, you take.
ascii_field head-desks
mircea_popescu: but the general plan is sound. make the place into public urinal.
ascii_field: su had this down to an art
ascii_field: there was a glorious pay toilet across the street from where i grew up
ascii_field: where a cathedral once stood
ascii_field: then the twerps took over in '90s and rebuilt cathedral, aha
gernika: phf: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/euclient-run.log
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHExCY )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
n6: ascii_field: I'm install it from the app store.. they don't even have a progress bar hope its installing.
n6: (xcode)
ascii_field: ^ !
ascii_field: for fucks sake
n6: ascii_field: anyway I can check to see if its downloading using unix tools and the command line?
mircea_popescu: appstore gpg ?!
chetty: oi vey
ascii_field: http://qntra.net/2015/08/zynga-continues-bleeding/#comment-39432 << interesting
assbot: Zynga Continues Bleeding | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHGuzg )
n6: mircea_popescu: appstore dev tools 2.6gb and no progress bar. going for 6.4 off the website hope the command line tools just installed for later version don't fuck me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00059783 = 21.761 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00062379 = 14.5343 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
phf: for the record i think a secure and verifiable path for receiving a key of person in wot is to ssl connect to freenode using explicit server key, request !shasum wot from assbot, download http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_users.sql.gz, verify its shasum, do `zgrep -oE '\([^)]+phf[^)]+\)' wot_users.sql.gz` (or whatever nick), the second number in the grep output is going to be the key fingerprint, next grep --recv-key <fingerprint>
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl3k1m )
ascii_field: http://www.codeword.xyz/2015/08/09/exploiting-android-users-for-fun-and-profit
assbot: Exploiting Android Users for Fun and Profit | The Code Word ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl3llZ )
ascii_field: 'The stuff I worked on in that job was complete horseshit. It provided absolutely zero value to anybody. It existed and was expressly optimized for the sole purpose of exploiting non-tech-savvy computer users to generate undeserved profits.'
punkman: why undeserved?
phf: *gpg --recv-key <fingerprint>
diametric: punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads.
phf: the first part of that process is dodgiest, since there's no way to ensure that it's assbot that's handing out shasums
punkman: diametric: maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42476 @ 0.00059619 = 25.3238 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: !up n6
trinque: phf: might be nice to make a deed of a big wad of public keys
trinque: someone who went to the conference and signed them, for example
n6: anyone here used flink? Do I want to build all packages locally or is using binary distribution going to work ok for gpg?
punkman: compiling your own gpg won't fix your problem
shinohai: http://redd.it/3gdad5 <<< genial
assbot: [META] On hardforking: If Bitcoin is so vulnerable to reddit posts and a man who codes in the open, that it requires censorship to stay safe, perhaps it is destined for doom after all. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl9kHI )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: shinohai: gotta love the tards - thief screams 'stop, thief'
ascii_field: mike hearn as a courageous fighter against nsa !
ascii_field: 'stand up against crippled 1mb coin!'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37918 @ 0.00062336 = 23.6366 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: pffft
shinohai: "we'll make our own bitcoin, with blackjack and hookers."
trinque: so, /r/bitcoin has an anti-XT mod?
trinque: that at least is surprising
shinohai: I am surprised that theymos is supposedly calling XT and altcoin.
trinque: interesting; fine gentlemen right here made that case what, months ago?
shinohai: http://blog.lifars.com/2015/08/10/microsoft-raises-bug-bounty-program-reward-to-100000/
assbot: Microsoft Raises Bug Bounty Program Reward to $100,000! | LIFARS ... ( http://bit.ly/1TldNdq )
shinohai: ^ Windows 10 is one big bug, pay me pl0x
trinque: heh, then they turn around and sell them to the govt at a handsome profit?
trinque: nice business microsoft has there
mats: this is a good move on microsoft's part
trinque: sure, but I have to give them shit.
Adlai: wywialm: https://quedex.net/doc/margins#liquidation "all your your open positions"
assbot: Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DD4fZE )
mats: yes, i know, everyone in #b-a is edgy
trinque: oh stahp
trinque: making fun of microsoft is edgy now?
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/41G8spw.png <<< how 2 defeat Microsoft/NSA
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DD4pjy )
trinque: but if we must have an adult conversation, Nadella at least seems like he's making changes
trinque: shinohai: now that's edgy
shinohai: ^^
mircea_popescu: phf alternatively you can just download a possibly dirty key, use it, then once you get to know the person ask them to verify it
mircea_popescu: if you find it doesn't match you got a good story for a blogpost.
mircea_popescu: punkman the entire "online ad" industry is fundamentally predicated on "we can sell bot traffic to idiots"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is bitcoin vulnerable to reddit posts ?
mircea_popescu: the twerps drinking their own splooge again ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda old & stale by now, but hey, if it's all they got... it's all they got.
wywialm: Adlai, unfortunately, yes - there is much room for improvements and we hope to add more forgiving liquidation scheme before or soon after real launch
wywialm: i thought that it is better to publish the exchange as soon as bossible to collect feedback such as yours
mircea_popescu: incidentally, no, that is the correct approach.
mircea_popescu: if you get liquidated, you get liquidated for everything you own
mircea_popescu: and, ideally, you're not allowed back in, either.
mircea_popescu: so don't get liquidated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3006 @ 0.00062128 = 1.8676 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it is not the exchange's job to manage people's capital allocation.
mircea_popescu: it IS the exchange's job to punish the incompetent wannabes.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, well, that *is* insightful - i would be very glad if speculators acknowledged this
mircea_popescu: they'll acknowledge it just as soon as they don't have an option.
wywialm: you definitely made me think twice on this issue
danielpbarron got liquidated on bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: as a matter of principle - modern finance is mostly a bunch of entitled imbeciles trying for the lowest-effort approach. ideally, if they could just open a sack and money fell in kthx.
mircea_popescu: ther problem with this is that the actual work keeps being pushed on things that can't actually do it.
mircea_popescu: it's unsanitary - to make money you gotta do something useful.
mircea_popescu: if you don't really want to do anything, go webcam.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: to make money you gotta do something useful. << orly
mircea_popescu: yes.
ascii_field: on mircea_popescu's planet, perhaps
ascii_field: on mine, big money is made, 999 times of 1000, by theft or scam.
trinque: if you gain dollars, but lose purchasing power, are you making money?
mircea_popescu: looky here : copybook headings aren't gonna change through human effort. be it positive "har har, we're so good" or negative "har har, i'm a cynicist so this works now".
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't work that way.
Adlai: wywialm: i'm not complaining about the scheme, but rather the copyediting :)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're roughly doing the equivalent to the "black supremacy" captioning you know.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics, sure.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, yes, you are right - Quedex has issues that are more urgent than making mismanagement of risk pleasant
mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics and the worst thing you can do with your head is chase local maxima.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure in some soap bubble somehwere picket fences works!!1
ascii_field: except that this is why living things even ~have~ heads
mircea_popescu: who cares ? srsly. who ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00061195 = 24.6616 BTC [-]
ascii_field: to chase maxima.
mircea_popescu: yes. so ?
mircea_popescu: difference between humans and lions is that humans chase global maxima
wywialm: Adlai, oh, i didn't even notice - thanks for that!
ascii_field: picket fence ?
mircea_popescu: lions just get shot.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the usian ideal thing.
mircea_popescu: which is not either ideal or even desirable.
ascii_field: hm
ascii_field: ideal as in it keeps the indians out ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google picket fences
ascii_field: or am i confusing fences
gribble: Picket Fences (TV Series 1992–1996) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103512/>; Picket Fences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picket_Fences>; Picket Fences - TV.com: <http://www.tv.com/shows/picket-fences/>
ascii_field: 'The series follows the lives of the residents of the small town of Rome, Wisconsin, where weird things happen, including cows' udders exploding and a spate of people turning up dead in freezers. Struggling to maintain order in the community is Sheriff Jimmy Brock...'
ascii_field: l0l
mircea_popescu: check it out they made a show
mircea_popescu: before fucking tv executives tried to turn it into money, the expression denoted the sort of crammed, unsanitary, sexually repressed housing usians lived in post ww2 and brtught up the boomers.
mircea_popescu: "suburbia", the 1960s variant.
ascii_field: ah - levittowns.
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: where "the graudate" happened.
mircea_popescu: ten thousand billion times.
ascii_field: them!
ascii_field: cult period in usa
ascii_field: like the early '80s in su, with caviar and japanese tape decks
ascii_field: mega-nostalgiatron
mircea_popescu: utter trash, too.
ascii_field: to folks growing up in shit, 'trash' is an upgrade
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: "you can take the girl out of the trash, but you can't take the trash out of the girl principally because she perceives all the alternatives are shit"
trinque: now you've got: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1168/9749/8m/media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/mcmansion-subdivision.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgYhPh )
shinohai: McMansions
trinque: I used to imagine a robot came and pressed these out of the ground one by one
wywialm: i was asked if i can give voice here - is it still true that only people in assbot L1 WoT may give voice?
ascii_field: trinque: they are made largely of, approximately, papier mache.
trinque: yup
trinque: I grew up in the Biggest and Best "master planned community" in TX
Adlai: wywialm: anybody in L2 can !up somenewbie, which gives them temporary voice; anybody in L1 can !rate somenewbie, putting them in L2 and enabling them to self-voice
trinque: !up n6
n6: ascii_field: I installed 1.4 gpg but am still getting the same error as before http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ
assbot: dpaste: 3VRBYWJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZXnVL )
wywialm: Adlai, thanks again
mircea_popescu: "So my new little desktop app, which was quickly distributed to millions of unsuspecting checkbox-ignoring users, would “borrow” their existing Google session by reading their browser cookies, then invisibly “click” that App Store install button for them on apps that were paying us for distribution."
mircea_popescu: heh.
n6: googling around it seems like I might need a cert but don't really understand what its asking for.
ascii_field: what is this nonsense with sks using ssl anyway
ascii_field: i mean, wtf
trinque: gotta link everything to openssl
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do we have a civilized keyserv yet
ascii_field: or do i have to
mircea_popescu: not afaik.
ascii_field: because this is fucking retarded
mircea_popescu: not a priority either.
mircea_popescu: eh just relax.
mircea_popescu bbl
n6: ascii_field: Not sure I understand would turning off ssl fix this?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.0006191 = 28.2619 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0006114 = 20.1456 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 5000 @ 0.00208192 = 10.4096 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 2450 @ 0.00208192 = 5.1007 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5306 @ 0.00060438 = 3.2068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34739 @ 0.00061971 = 21.5281 BTC [+] {3}
wywialm: bye
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 369298 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 1645 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.53083
trinque: !up thestringpuller
trinque: thestringpuller: good afternoon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48260 @ 0.00061681 = 29.7673 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://media.indiatimes.in/media/content/2015/Jan/capture_1421756730.jpg << vintage lulz. run moar winblowz ce !
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gtZPsU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56812 @ 0.00058826 = 33.4202 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: Think OPSEC!
trinque: lol
shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3gg5v8/i_switched_to_bitcoinxt_to_protest_today_incident/
assbot: I switched to bitcoinxt to protest today incident : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1J719iv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00062164 = 22.3169 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: which reminds me
trinque: those bastards at Just5 did not reply
shinohai: Read: It's ok if we censor debate *contrary* to XT
trinque: I suppose I am a filthy american who does not deserve fine Slovenian engineering, and Moscow design
shinohai: But don't do it to us, we'll melt down like tumblrinas
ascii_field: wai wut
ascii_field: !s just5
assbot: 2 results for 'just5' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=just5
trinque: ascii_field: pretty looking dumbphone I was considering
ascii_field: what's wrong with the chinese 'credit card phones' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00062605 = 31.8033 BTC [+] {8}
trinque: http://www.just5.com/worldwide/en/brick/brick-red
assbot: Brick Red ... ( http://bit.ly/1J71wtB )
trinque: nothing in particular; I am still in the market for a suitable dumbphone
ascii_field: huge piece of shit
ascii_field: what'd the point ?
trinque: they all are
ascii_field: no
ascii_field: e.g., http://wholesale.buysku.com/Electronics-image/2013-12/Mooc-M33-One-SIM-Quad-band-Ultra-thin-Mini-Credit-Card-sized-GSM-Cell-Phone-with-Bluetooth-MP3-FM-TF-Slot-White-6352177396313517551.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J71EJp )
trinque: oh, neat
ascii_field: a dozen makers of this. about $20, give or take, in usa
trinque: extent of the thing's responsibilites are "yes I am still alive" and "yes I will go check out that server"
trinque: considered a beeper even
ascii_field: the slovenian thing is a 'hemingwriter'
kakobrekla: fine Slovenian engineering < last phone of this sorts was 'eta 80' afaik
ascii_field: kinda like a medieval reenactment party ~complete with black death~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20640 @ 0.00060793 = 12.5477 BTC [-]
ascii_field: there is no reason for '90s bricks.
trinque: I was joking about fine slovenian engineering
kakobrekla wasnt!
trinque: thing looks like lunchbox plastic
punkman: they are just rebranded chinese phones
punkman: you can get them from the source
trinque: that credit card phone is appealing
punkman: the brick doesn't look too bad though, I don't think it's big
punkman: credit card phone comes with small battery
ascii_field: enough for a few days
ascii_field: srsly how big do you need it
punkman: oh ok http://img.artlebedev.com/everything/just5/just5-in-hand.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu2frC )
punkman: that is definitely bigger than I thought
ascii_field: astonishing turd.
punkman: the other just5 models are regular size I think
ascii_field: not like they don't all use approximately same chipset
kakobrekla: you can still get nokias that dont run android
kakobrekla: new ones
ascii_field: fuck proprietary chargers.
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u03DfcjGnQg this looks fine
assbot: Mobiset.ru: Just5 CP09 review - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu2tiA )
kakobrekla: lol chargers
kakobrekla: phone costs 20bux, standby time 30 days
kakobrekla: buy new one each time, no need to charge.
ascii_field: 30 days unless you ~use~ it...
ascii_field: (horrors)
kakobrekla doesnt use it.
ascii_field: carries it as blunt weapon ?
kakobrekla: yeah, like hammer.
ascii_field: then - perfect.
trinque: removable battery is important
trinque: buttons that aren't impossible would be nice
trinque: other than that, don't care, and would rather not be obligated to carry one
kakobrekla: buttons?
trinque: yeah I don't need no stinking touch screen
kakobrekla: you just need one.
trinque: !up n6
trinque: n6: what's up?
TheNewDeal: slightly off topic. anyone have favorite chess problem set?
trinque: !up ascii_field
n6: still working on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html but not sure about my next step.. seems like my os is holding me back, still trying to build my spaceship but it starts with having sane tools maybe debian on the laptop then i can build this on the begalbone and then build the gentoo on the desktop?
assbot: [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
trinque: n6: sounds like you are taking on too much at once.
n6: I'm not sure if debian is going to be any better then this.
trinque: you need to focus on a single linux environment and get a foothold there
kakobrekla: step 1: get your wototron in order (or not)
n6: kakobrekla: I don't know what you mean.
shinohai: Which I why I suggested earlier he get a sane linux to get started.
trinque: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
trinque: n6: ^
kakobrekla: n6 your keys are all fucked is what i mean
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00061481 = 19.4895 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: rather, http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
n6: kakobrekla: yea I lost my old key, and am trying to find my way back the right way.
kakobrekla: fuckin assbot and his unhelpful help
trinque: lol
trinque: !gettrust n6
assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/
kakobrekla: n6 that would prolly be a good step 1
trinque: gonna have to be n7 now
kakobrekla: lol
n6: I hope not.
shinohai: kek
kakobrekla: you dont have your key anymore ?
n6: nope.
kakobrekla: what else then
TheNewDeal: losr car key as well
n6: I had something in mind, but not sure anymore.
TheNewDeal: completely key less
kakobrekla: call nsa for backupz?
n6: I need to my sane sitaution in order before I can join the wot
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
assbot: Google is reorganizing under a new umbrella company called Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu4pYn )
shinohai: ^ alphabet with a few letters: nsa, fbi, etc
trinque: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11NGPES.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82879 @ 0.00062749 = 52.0057 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: snore.
ascii_field: they can rename to 'fuckyou inc.' and what difference will it make to anyone ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117800 @ 0.00058956 = 69.4502 BTC [-] {9}
n6: I still need support with Pogotron would you mind helping me some more ascii_field not sure what i'm doing and everytime the help dries up my progress stops.
trinque: n6: what's called for there is you going and doing research at the points where you get stuck
trinque: and that may take some time
trinque: even if you end up with a working pogo, if you don't understand the steps which resulted in that, you've gained very little
n6: I don't see buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch in the list of files.
n6: nvm.
wilbns: http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
assbot: Google is reorganizing under a new umbrella company called Alphabet ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu4pYn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00059582 = 5.0049 BTC [+]
trinque: wilbns: yes, that was linked not 20min ago
wilbns: ahhh i see it
wilbns: sorry about that
wilbns: shinohai: nice catch
shinohai: >.>
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143922226922228&w=2
assbot: 'Re: Repartitioning' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1J76uXe )
wilbns: i dunno how i missed that in front of my eyes
TheNewDeal: wilbns https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip ... ( http://bit.ly/1J76CWy )
wilbns: probably getting alzheimers, it's on both the paternal and maternal side of my fam #great
shinohai: The lawgs and qntra have replaced my newspaper with morning coffee.
n6: i'm getting "patch -pl < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4_0567b86c55934a8b5d1351b4ccba9306ee3406c3.patch" when running patch -p1 < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch
n6: "patch: **** strip count l is not a number" *
shinohai: (/_-)
trinque: because it's a fucking L, dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00059582 = 2.6812 BTC [+]
trinque: !up n6
trinque: go, build ye a gentoo, and read 6mos of logs
trinque: only possible route forward
punkman: it's in the logs http://i.imgur.com/WUPNca3.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu7Iib )
trinque: damn, now that's a database
shinohai: The logs are searchable yet!
punkman: barely
shinohai: Now the ethereum project will steal that pic punkman and use it on their "cloud-mining" webpage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0005862 = 7.8258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00058914 = 18.6463 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/arrested-in-ferguson-protests-downtown-state-of-emergency-declared-in/article_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html
assbot: 57 arrested in Ferguson protests downtown; state of emergency declared in county : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1J78Xkk )
trinque: yep, one shot too, at least so far
BingoBoingo: USG agitators slacking on their Purge incitement
BingoBoingo: Though the 911 salon got looted again last night
BingoBoingo: When I went to get cigarettes earlier the Proprietor was being interviewed on KMOX. Sounded very close to going full Uncle Ruckus.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48808 @ 0.00058597 = 28.6 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00062389 = 8.5473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58350 @ 0.00059787 = 34.8857 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: !up n6
shinohai: Further !ups will cost you 0.005 per until you get in wot like everyone else.
n6: Ok im going to install gentoo and get into the wot
shinohai: >.>
shinohai: I should charge you for an hour + of my time you wasted this evening at my going rate of 0.15 per
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00058516 = 10.094 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: waitwut
n6: sorry for all the wasted time, still trying to make sense of all this.
trinque: n6: just gotta pick *one* thing and make sense of *that8
trinque: and accept that it may take some time.
shinohai: Pretty simple. Read logs. Don't ask people to help you do one thing, and do another. I have neither the time nor crayons for people like that.
mircea_popescu: aww, he ran alf out ? i was kinda enjoying the spectacle.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1232854 ... got quite a kick from this ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 00:01:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs
n6: trinque: my issue is i need an ethernet bridge to install gentoo and don't know how to do that.
n6: so maybe debian is my first step
trinque: maybe so
trinque: I dunno what you mean by bridge
trinque: I know what I'd mean, but
trinque: router?
trinque: they're cheap; get one, stick it between your modem and computers
n6: yes.
trinque: then in 6-12mos we can talk about replacing the thing with OpenBSD
trinque: if you keep asking along the way, you're going to get opinions from people which you're not prepared to implement
trinque: do something dumb, iterate on it
trinque: doing something the right way while having no idea how or why you're doing it, you gain nothing
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> there is no reason for '90s bricks. << motorola made them with good enough antenna assemblages you could bash a head in. also the hi q plastics in the casing allowed one to drive mercedes over phone and then use it. ☟︎
shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere .... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if only ubuntu weren't fucktarded we could recommend it to noobs. ☟︎
shinohai: I recommended Debian because he obviously isn't quite experienced enough for Gentoo yet.
shinohai: I'm not sure if Barbie linux would run for him or not.
trinque: sorry fucking state really.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/WUPNca3.jpg << if one can find any porn more perverse than this...
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gu7Iib )
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what the Puritan Fathers would do with young women.
mircea_popescu: max hardcore seems infinitely better a choice.
punkman: more pics http://www.vintag.es/2015/08/pictures-of-fbis-colossal-fingerprint.html ☟︎
assbot: vintage everyday: Pictures of FBI’s Colossal Fingerprint Filing System During World War II ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmfp4P )
trinque: I find the building beautiful, if the purpose vulgar
punkman: heh http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nqd7Ycp3Ax0/VcDdlyA5xsI/AAAAAAABtBA/4YioUWoGNZk/s1600/Indignant%2Bwoman%252C%2BParis%252C%2B1948.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmfLIA )
trinque: reminds me of a thread on the relationship between computers and bureaucracy
trinque looks for it
mircea_popescu: ftr she's not indignant, she's in shock.
shinohai: To fight all that puritanism: https://giant.gfycat.com/FragrantColdHairstreak.webm ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7h7t9 )
punkman: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8XRT2ZpBny0/VYp33C5eBPI/AAAAAAABnOM/LRqyBTcaqHA/s1600/9.%2BShaving%2BThe%2BHair%2BOf%2BFrench%2BWomen.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7hBzk )
punkman: "After France was liberated toward the end of World War II, French citizens who had supported the invading German troops in any form were tracked down and had their heads forcefully shaved as a badge of dishonor. As many as 20,000 French citizens had their heads shaved in public, the majority of which were women."
shinohai: https://twitter.com/NelsonJeppesen/status/630872710244102145
mircea_popescu: "women that had sex with german officers and enjoyed chocolate and stuff in preference of their poor and worthless countrymen were then brutalized by the later"
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell n6 Step 1: Just run OpenBSD for now Step 2: transcribe and build "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code" Step 3: Six monthe of logs should be up, then you may Gentoo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Looks like you got your smokes just in time BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Oh, what happened nao?
shinohai: Shutting down I-70
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, The Blanchette is between St Louis and Bumfuck Missouri. I-70 Bridge between me and StL is the "Stan Span"
shinohai: Good, you're safe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19173 @ 0.00058505 = 11.2172 BTC [-]
shinohai: Until the fires start.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, I am in a very white part of Illinois.
shinohai: I live in a darker area than I'd like, but all-in-all it isn't bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32598 @ 0.00059289 = 19.327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00058423 = 89.5917 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Living in a shittier area would be more fun, but It's nice knowing that the whopping 20 blacks in town don't make this a target for DOJ purge agitation
mircea_popescu: ". In spite of Zynga's hemorrhaging wallet and shrinking userbase shares still manage to trade on Nasdaq (archived) at $2.64 per share implying a market cap of $2,072,302,357 on a earnings per share of negative 19 cents."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00058222 = 14.4682 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dude...
mircea_popescu: fucking nuts.
shinohai: I have more Hispanics around me than anything. I see ICE agents on a regular basis.
BingoBoingo: Every few years ICE will bust one of the local mexican restaurants or small businesses here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 300000 @ 0.0000299 = 8.97 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: is ice the anti-hispanic agency ?
shinohai: yup, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement
shinohai: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/07/facebook-tax-refund-scam-earns-arizona-woman-6-years-in-jail/
assbot: Facebook tax refund scam earns Arizona woman 6 years in jail | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmiOjX )
thestringpuller: anyone wanna trade btc for dr. dre's new album?
mircea_popescu: check it out, women in tech
mircea_popescu: hey dbit you there ?
mircea_popescu: "Even if you don't have any money of your own to scam, your data may well be of use to someone, and having your identity abused can mean trouble for you further down the line. So don't make it easy for the crooks - try to stick to sensible and cautious settings on your social media accounts, as far as the providers allow, and avoid sharing anything you wouldn't want the whole world to know."
mircea_popescu: how exactly does this follow ? it really is the govt's problem throughout, why should the cattle care one whit ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 500 @ 0.00208192 = 1.041 BTC
wilbns: BingoBoingo: my first job was at a car wash in Arkansas, ICE came at least one time I know of, possibly 2 and took some of the Mexicans I was working with away.
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shinohai: It does tons of good. The same people that get deported are back in < 6 months. ☟︎
trinque: Trump's gonna build the great wall o' Texas; you'll see
trinque: with laser drones
trinque: I have to say watching the guy give speeches is entertaining the shit out of me
mircea_popescu: the part where 'mainstream' media superiorly dismissed some recent speech while popularity shot up was amusing enough.
wilbns: i think the whole subject of illegal immigration and subsequent media coverage is just a big misdirection play to stop people from banding together and asking real questions.
trinque: mircea_popescu: he's clearly doing well
mircea_popescu: what's the woman's name again, i forget. sounds just like a porn star.
trinque: megyn kelly?
trinque: that was the one he implied was on her period
mircea_popescu: ah yea
trinque: he's somehow getting around the political correctness, and people seem to love it
punkman hopes "megyn" isn't a name
shinohai: Megynecologist
mircea_popescu: "somehow" = outright and pointedly ignoring it.
mircea_popescu: then derps go "o hello here is where you apologize" and the answer comes "no, this is where i'd fuck your mother, if her cunt didn't stink"
shinohai: She had no qualms about discussing penesis and such with Howard Stern, however.
trinque: haha
mircea_popescu: well, she believes penises are intrinsically superior to vulvas. she may or may not be right, but she's definitely sexist.
mircea_popescu: !up muruc
mats: lol
mats: hearing about the potus run secondhand makes me glad I don't waste cycles thinking about it
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mircea_popescu: it's third hand technically. i heard it secondhand myself.
mats: irc is a string and tin cans
wilbns: as long as the masses are rallying to the side of democrats or republicans as their party of choice each election the people who are really in control will keep on having one - and the masses will be left to pick up the tab.
trinque: I don't care much about the presidency, but listening to Trump talk about how weak we look around the world, and having no qualms about being an asshole towards the rest of the machine, that's entertainment.
shinohai: http://blog.coinspect.co/copay-wallet-emptying-vulnerability
assbot: Copay wallet emptying vulnerability | blog.coinspect ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmmFhd )
mircea_popescu: wilbns well obviously ? what's next, the lightbulbs are gonna power the generator ?
mircea_popescu: the masses are the masses. ipso definition they pick the tab and someone else writes the bill.
mircea_popescu: bwahaha shinohai
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra ?
shinohai: Run moar online wallets
mircea_popescu: "Copay is an easy-to-use multi-signature bitcoin wallet developed by BitPay to significantly decrease the risk of Bitcoin theft."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? giving it a look real quick
wilbns: mircea_popescu: yes, yet this message is never heard nor processed. it is airgapped.
trinque: wilbns: you're assuming "they" need to hear the "message"
trinque: where in fact it's your perspective on their importance that needs to change
mircea_popescu: wilbns i agree with trinque
mircea_popescu: there's really no space, no need and no benefit from "the people" getting involved in managing other people's affairs.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: someone stole another one of your ideas: http://signmytits.com/en/preview/1089
mircea_popescu: it'd be splendid if they took a more active role managing theirs.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller writing on tits can not possibly have been my idea.
mircea_popescu: i've seen it done in egiptian tombs.
wilbns: sorry, not sure i get what part of the perspective needs to change?
thestringpuller: but no writing on boobs for...bitcoin?
wilbns: the masses or tptb?
trinque: wilbns: yours.
wilbns: "their importance" - not sure who they is
trinque: and I'm speaking as someone that went to more than one Ron Paul thing in the 08 election
trinque: there is no great awakening coming; what would that even look like?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lmao what a fucking scam srsly... so he has some pictures, pngs text on it, wants to be paid serious dough for this and runs disqus to boot.
mircea_popescu: why does bitcoin attract the cream of the crop of imbecility ?
shinohai: Because without hundreds of features, how you gonna moon?
wilbns: trinque: i liked paul too. perhaps great change will come through cryptography and decentralization
trinque: people are "free" enough today that they could change anything they like
trinque: they don't. why?
trinque: you can go out into the street right now and start a riot, and the cops wont even kill that many people
mircea_popescu: for as long as it's growing they're not killing anyone.
mircea_popescu: that starts after it's gone no where for a year
mircea_popescu: as fergusson illustrates.
mircea_popescu: aka "peaceful protest is dumb - go for numerous protest instead"
trinque: yeah, there could be a tipping point where national guard operations happen
shinohai: The blacklisting begins: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23 ☟︎
assbot: Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmohr0 )
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_racism << pretty great read. wikipedia has (yet another) article on the insanity of sanity.
assbot: Laissez-faire racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmogmV )
mircea_popescu: apparently the best way to not be racist is by being racist in the currently fashionable manner, and so forth.
mircea_popescu: not giving a shit about the stupid preoccupations of the stupid is the worst crime.
mircea_popescu: and in NO CASE can people be responsible for their own lot, because hey, what scope does that live for politicianing!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are the bitcoin "business" ideas really that much more stupid than those in bezzle-land?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
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trinque: reminds me a little of that Deepak Chopra guy talking about quantum consciousness
trinque: bitcoin is weird, so you can project whatever nonsensical bullshit you want onto it
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: "holistic" essentially denotes the inclination of economically driven, socially & intellectually marginal parasites to freely mix and match.
mircea_popescu: they're the equivalent of bacteria, and thus the behaviour is unsurprising - bacteria also survive principally because they're not too careful when exchanging dna bits.
mircea_popescu: consequently, "everything's one" and last year we were lolling at idiots doing "quantum miners".
mircea_popescu: because hey.
mircea_popescu: homeopathic string theory. why the fuck not ? the aloe vera wallet.
mircea_popescu: pot coin.
mircea_popescu: you name it.
trinque: hahaha
trinque hooks his quantum miner to his mr fusion
mircea_popescu: they're not even very good at it, incidentally. the space could be trivially ennumerated and then mechanically exploited.
mircea_popescu: "astrological brainwallets"
punkman: that's a pretty good one :D
mircea_popescu: "add this magnetic strip to your miner and save 3-50% electricity by the refocusing of positron rings" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mostly a disease of "visual thinkers", as illustrated by the poor job they do at covering the actual space. ☟︎