williamdunne: phf: Objects aren't created in a very accessible manner. Simply received from an event
phf: williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed
williamdunne: phf: if I just run it, it has no inputs. Or am I just entirely derping?
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phf: williamdunne: correct (on both)
phf: this is sort of like redefining Object.toString or object.__str__
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phf: williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as #<FOO #x123123> or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as #<FOO (value . 1) (value2 . "hello")> i
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phf: ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548
gernika: phf - been following along - that's what I get
phf: gernika: does yours also fail? logs please
phf: now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions
gernika: I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other
gernika: Looks like I've got gcc42 as well
phf: xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics
phf: homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!
phf: and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use
ben_vulpes: phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'
phf: did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change
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mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
☟︎☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code
gernika: phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c
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phf: that's a correct hash
phf: btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..
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phf: a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again
mircea_popescu: phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?
mircea_popescu: i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.
phf: mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"
phf: asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript
phf: asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?
phf: there's no guy debord for u.s. universities
mircea_popescu: but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 21:19:32; jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr
mircea_popescu: "2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.
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mats: 14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek
mircea_popescu: everything does benefit from being written by folks with day jobs.
mircea_popescu: the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.
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mircea_popescu: management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed.
mircea_popescu: well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's very bad "fiction" : it presents us the nonsensical construct of a lone man that's part of the british empire.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management as generally understood say by dilbert's strip is a sort of dour nagging.
mircea_popescu: management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points
☟︎ dbit: mircea_popescu, can I have a Eulora account?
assbot: dbit is not registered in WoT.
gribble: You rated user dbit on Mon Jul 28 12:01:35 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: None.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... you wouldn't propose the alarm clock is a manager would you.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:02:39; mircea_popescu: management can also be understood as creation of proper schelling points
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:00:47; mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
mircea_popescu: the derps may call it "A time management device", but hey.
mircea_popescu: dbit oh if you already have a key just need it passed to assbot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect you misnomer management as "programming skill"
mircea_popescu: programming skill is necessarily "having preloaded in your head which words make bash not do this particular stupid thing"
mircea_popescu: there is definitely a lot of management involved in being a competent computer handler, by the nature of the thing
mircea_popescu: i guess this resolves our standing dispute re whores/programmers. turns out it was a misunderstanding.
mircea_popescu: you manage factories (also ill tuned pianos) not individual women on their period.
mircea_popescu: lol did you manage talking lobbes into letting you do these by hand ?
hanbot: the ml patching guide (
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html) step 0x07] Clean Source Base involves manifests which i take it are part of the guide's referenced patch tarballs. given the stator patch battery is single .patch file only, how's one to handle this step (and why does guide assume patch will come in ball?)?
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hanbot: i did. is there a new&improved patching guide? i missed it if so
hanbot: i think ben_vulpes' thingy was solely for dependencies + release, sans patching, could be wrong.
hanbot: i'll have a look at the test2 bit.
dbit: !register DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 11F125B2 / "David Cirello <dbit3434@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
hanbot: still want to build stator, "manually": 0.5.3.1 release + six-patch battery required to achieve stator. verified release will run on my (32bit) ubuntu box w/ mod6. so now, patching (for which i was following said guide, all six patches sha1sum & sig verified)
dbit: mircea_popescu, ok I got registered
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ben_vulpes: hanbot: yes, fails spectacularly to produce a bitcoin and makes the operator take over patching at that point.
ben_vulpes: provides, however, all tools to compile bitcoin
phf: ben_vulpes: one sec, i almost pushed another patch
ben_vulpes: and by 'kicking off' i mean 'kicked off 2 minutes ago and was distracted by lawgz'
ben_vulpes: anyways, hit me up when you push your patch
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did eventually succeed with the rotor/stator combo
phf: a build process tool, relaytool, used in some ungodly way to produce a dynamic libraries during build. uses bash to work and is so specified in #!... configure wants to run it by explicitly providing bash /bin/bash ./bin/relaytool. somehow doesn't detect bash, so calls /bin/sh instead, which puts bash in sh emulation mode and breaks relaytool. this, and much more, in todays adventures with eulora builds!
phf: this is sasha grey level of whoring programmer/whore depravity
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ben_vulpes: programmering is beyond learned helplessness
ben_vulpes off to welcome $bizpartner back from a week's vacation
mircea_popescu: ima meet you in game in a bit give you some starter stuff.
phf: oh right 9pm on west coast
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.dbit.1:f9c0e65452e21e9f222864a8a209c03aa4eb166fdcc2e374893948aae2f71014
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for dbit with note: Eulorian
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phf: gernika, ben_vulpes: new patch, 7129357156859d81c987e210d26ba552fdc49350
mod6: hanbot: yeah, the guide needs to be updated. It's on the to-do list, just had my hands full lately. I can help you get patched up from v0.5.3.1 if you like. We can work on that this week.
mod6: Meanwhile, I can offer you a script that I use to patch up through maxint_locks_corrected from v0.5.3.1 -- it's not a guide, but if you read the steps, it's what needs to happen and in what order. The new (forthcoming) guide will be based on these steps:
http://dpaste.com/0YVSD6Q.txt mod6: I'm going to be afk for the rest of the night, but I can perhaps talk about it with you tomorrow.
hanbot: mod6 awesome, ty for the script, will check it out!
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
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coderwill: i was switching my nick, maybe that had something to do w/ it.
coderwill: when you said "verify" did you mean try to !up again?
coderwill: side note - saw citizenfour last night. am having trouble grasping how high school drop-out supposedly gained access to all kinds of stuff across all kinds of platforms by the age of 29. somethings seems off w/ that whole thing.
coderwill: ...not that there is anything wrong w/ dropping out of any sort of educational system.
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mircea_popescu: the notion that "all kinds of stuff over all kinds of platforms" is in any sense locked down's amiss.
wilbns: danielpbarron: thanks for trying to help me
mircea_popescu: someone could also shoot a bunch of people by the time they're 29.
phf: gernika: why not relax with a new eulora build formula?
mircea_popescu wonders how many people implemented a "textual replacement lisp interpreter" in bash/perl/php just to bother their sicp prof.
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it just seemed like something was/is a bit strange about the whole ordeal
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phf: that seems like an artisan level troll
wilbns: BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do?
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gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 265.99, Best ask: 266.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 266.0, 24 hour volume: 16462.09261698, 24 hour low: 261.63, 24 hour high: 267.6, 24 hour vwap: None
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BingoBoingo: <wilbns> BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do? << His body language, his carriage, when he does and doesn't express discomfort. Coincidences between Greenwald finding things out and things going to shit...
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assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
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cazalla: shinohai, prob the tip of the iceberg, i assume a lot of paedos work in such professions
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punkman: everyone gets less time than DPR
shinohai: I'm just smh at the state of priorities in the "Criminal Justice System".
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cazalla: a lot of thieving goes on in those government homes for disabled people down under too.. the clients get welfare and from that the care takers pocket chunks of it by claiming they spent more than they did ($5 lunch becomes $15 lunch type of shit)
shinohai: That was the premise for an episode of "Better Call Saul". Happens quite often here in teh US too.
shinohai: Of course, I'm not a senior but was quite outraged at the cost of everyday items my last hospital stay.
shinohai: $100 for some goddamned kleenex
punkman: greece hasn't reach that level of ridiculousness yet, but all hospital supplies are way overpriced
shinohai: It's cheaper for me to hire a private nurse. I get better care and don't have to be in a filthy hospital.
punkman: they just came out with "food stamps" in the form of ATM cards reloaded monthly with 70-200eur
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punkman: and apparently they've spent about 10mil euros in 11 days through the cards
shinohai: There is a whole black market (pun intended) for food stamps/drugs here.
cazalla: shinohai, a stay in hospital is pretty well subsidised here if you go public and don't mind the total lack of service, or you can go private (we don't really have pre-existing condition stuff here.. if you take out private health insurance, any pre-existing condition is covered after 12 months)
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punkman: who's the icebreaker fellow
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cazalla: you'd think hearn and co would at least put up a few dozen extra xt nodes to fool people into thinking the mass of /r/bitcoin posts demanding xt discussion are legit
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shinohai because hammers can fix anything.
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funkenstein_: TEST2 script took some of the fun out of it, thing has the gameplay of "progress quest"
funkenstein_: Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport <-- doesn't seem an obvious target of diddled crypto
funkenstein_: "the State Department’s order to remove the digital files of his 3D printable handgun from his website" <-- good strategy. Fight the enemy over their demand for time machine, keep them busy and away from live targets
funkenstein_: I think they should publish on court website exactly the number which they forbid to be published just so we all know not to publish it
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shinohai: Ferguson burns down in 3...2..1
wilbns: BingoBoingo: thanks for following-up... yeah, some stuff did seem a little strange w/ greenwald. also, not sure if you perceived this, but from my perspective, parts of the doc seemed a little scripted or rehearsed.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 14:35:19; funkenstein_: The full orchestra! :) Fedora-20-x64
n6: ascii_field: we talked about DETERMINISTIC builds the other day would that be somehting like Distcc too on gentoo where you can build something on x86 for arm?
n6: let me rephrase, that doesn't make any sense sorry.
shinohai: Something like that, though I still can't make cross-compilation work. I'm not the wizard ascii_field is.
ascii_field: n6, shinohai: search the ml for 'pogotron'. yes, buildroot builds for arm, mips, whatever
n6: ascii_field: I want to build gentoo using a x86 but for an armv7a, using something like distcc? would that make the builds DETERMINISTIC since everything you would need would be included?
n6: what does ml mean here?
ascii_field: i posted a working example of this months ago
shinohai: mod6 says it builds a binary but won't run. As soon as mine completes I'll confirm.
shinohai: I did the pogotron thing and still wound up with a x86 binary
phf: gernika: can you also give me a log of $(eulora_brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient > euclient-run.log 2>&1
phf: err, $(brew --prefix eulora)/euclient.app/Contents/MacOS/euclient > euclient-run.log 2>&1
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n6: ascii_field: why should I check both sigs here, and how?
ascii_field: n6: i.e. 'why to check sigs' is a question you should be able to answer
n6: ascii_field: yea this gentoo thing has me under a lot of pressure, working on going down a more sane path today. Homework first then attack the problem, last few days tried attacking first and it hasnt worked out.
shinohai: If you have to ask "why check sigs" then I can't even begin ....
n6: ascii_field: How do I check his key here? Only see yours.
n6: thanks thats what I was looking for.
n6: I'm working on the real computer thing, its a long road.
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ascii_field: kina like when you had to build own airplane
ascii_field: where did anyone get the idea that this is 'easy' and 'friendly' ?
n6: My wings keep falling off.
punkman: n6, you could also just fix your gpg config
ascii_field: 'I'm positively _delighted_ that I can buy consumer products so cheaply and so conveniently, but -- get this -- I'm not in the business of making microwave ovens or wine glasses or books or speakers, but I _do_ expect those who _are_ to have professional tools, so I can buy consumer goods inexpensively with moderately high quality. I don't _want_ Joe Blows' Homemade Microwave Oven, OK?'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field get out. by the time oil was a central commodity to civilisation for fifty years, it was trivial to get an engine deployed to spec. TO SPEC!!!11
mircea_popescu: by the time electricity was a central commodity, idem.
mircea_popescu: fucking computation has to be special because all the fucktards wanna be important in their own heads and power range around
mircea_popescu: which btw, reminds me i came up with an excellent slogan to inhibit the cancer.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: also because the relevant tech simply did not mature
ascii_field: we're still at the point of the marginal steam-engine planes of 1898
ascii_field: that kind sorta lift off the ground, if no wind
mircea_popescu: whenever you run across one of these "software projects" in bootstrap/qt/whatever the fuck tell them "This is not programming, this is hogramming. Be a pro, don't be a ho."
mircea_popescu is half tempted to buy github, turn it off and just display that page everywhere.
ascii_field: after that let's buy whitehouse and open pay toilet
mircea_popescu: but the general plan is sound. make the place into public urinal.
ascii_field: there was a glorious pay toilet across the street from where i grew up
ascii_field: then the twerps took over in '90s and rebuilt cathedral, aha
n6: ascii_field: I'm install it from the app store.. they don't even have a progress bar hope its installing.
n6: ascii_field: anyway I can check to see if its downloading using unix tools and the command line?
n6: mircea_popescu: appstore dev tools 2.6gb and no progress bar. going for 6.4 off the website hope the command line tools just installed for later version don't fuck me.
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phf: for the record i think a secure and verifiable path for receiving a key of person in wot is to ssl connect to freenode using explicit server key, request !shasum wot from assbot, download
http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_users.sql.gz, verify its shasum, do `zgrep -oE '\([^)]+phf[^)]+\)' wot_users.sql.gz` (or whatever nick), the second number in the grep output is going to be the key fingerprint, next grep --recv-key <fingerprint>
ascii_field: 'The stuff I worked on in that job was complete horseshit. It provided absolutely zero value to anybody. It existed and was expressly optimized for the sole purpose of exploiting non-tech-savvy computer users to generate undeserved profits.'
phf: *gpg --recv-key <fingerprint>
diametric: punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads.
phf: the first part of that process is dodgiest, since there's no way to ensure that it's assbot that's handing out shasums
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trinque: phf: might be nice to make a deed of a big wad of public keys
trinque: someone who went to the conference and signed them, for example
n6: anyone here used flink? Do I want to build all packages locally or is using binary distribution going to work ok for gpg?
punkman: compiling your own gpg won't fix your problem
assbot: [META] On hardforking: If Bitcoin is so vulnerable to reddit posts and a man who codes in the open, that it requires censorship to stay safe, perhaps it is destined for doom after all. : Bitcoin ... (
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ascii_field: shinohai: gotta love the tards - thief screams 'stop, thief'
ascii_field: mike hearn as a courageous fighter against nsa !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37918 @ 0.00062336 = 23.6366 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: "we'll make our own bitcoin, with blackjack and hookers."
trinque: so, /r/bitcoin has an anti-XT mod?
trinque: that at least is surprising
shinohai: I am surprised that theymos is supposedly calling XT and altcoin.
trinque: interesting; fine gentlemen right here made that case what, months ago?
shinohai: ^ Windows 10 is one big bug, pay me pl0x
trinque: heh, then they turn around and sell them to the govt at a handsome profit?
trinque: nice business microsoft has there
mats: this is a good move on microsoft's part
trinque: sure, but I have to give them shit.
mats: yes, i know, everyone in #b-a is edgy
trinque: making fun of microsoft is edgy now?
trinque: but if we must have an adult conversation, Nadella at least seems like he's making changes
mircea_popescu: phf alternatively you can just download a possibly dirty key, use it, then once you get to know the person ask them to verify it
mircea_popescu: if you find it doesn't match you got a good story for a blogpost.
mircea_popescu: punkman the entire "online ad" industry is fundamentally predicated on "we can sell bot traffic to idiots"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda old & stale by now, but hey, if it's all they got... it's all they got.
wywialm: Adlai, unfortunately, yes - there is much room for improvements and we hope to add more forgiving liquidation scheme before or soon after real launch
wywialm: i thought that it is better to publish the exchange as soon as bossible to collect feedback such as yours
mircea_popescu: if you get liquidated, you get liquidated for everything you own
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3006 @ 0.00062128 = 1.8676 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it is not the exchange's job to manage people's capital allocation.
mircea_popescu: it IS the exchange's job to punish the incompetent wannabes.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, well, that *is* insightful - i would be very glad if speculators acknowledged this
mircea_popescu: they'll acknowledge it just as soon as they don't have an option.
wywialm: you definitely made me think twice on this issue
mircea_popescu: as a matter of principle - modern finance is mostly a bunch of entitled imbeciles trying for the lowest-effort approach. ideally, if they could just open a sack and money fell in kthx.
mircea_popescu: ther problem with this is that the actual work keeps being pushed on things that can't actually do it.
mircea_popescu: it's unsanitary - to make money you gotta do something useful.
ascii_field: to make money you gotta do something useful. << orly
ascii_field: on mine, big money is made, 999 times of 1000, by theft or scam.
trinque: if you gain dollars, but lose purchasing power, are you making money?
mircea_popescu: looky here : copybook headings aren't gonna change through human effort. be it positive "har har, we're so good" or negative "har har, i'm a cynicist so this works now".
Adlai: wywialm: i'm not complaining about the scheme, but rather the copyediting :)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're roughly doing the equivalent to the "black supremacy" captioning you know.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics, sure.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, yes, you are right - Quedex has issues that are more urgent than making mismanagement of risk pleasant
mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics and the worst thing you can do with your head is chase local maxima.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure in some soap bubble somehwere picket fences works!!1
ascii_field: except that this is why living things even ~have~ heads
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00061195 = 24.6616 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: difference between humans and lions is that humans chase global maxima
wywialm: Adlai, oh, i didn't even notice - thanks for that!
ascii_field: 'The series follows the lives of the residents of the small town of Rome, Wisconsin, where weird things happen, including cows' udders exploding and a spate of people turning up dead in freezers. Struggling to maintain order in the community is Sheriff Jimmy Brock...'
mircea_popescu: before fucking tv executives tried to turn it into money, the expression denoted the sort of crammed, unsanitary, sexually repressed housing usians lived in post ww2 and brtught up the boomers.
ascii_field: like the early '80s in su, with caviar and japanese tape decks
ascii_field: to folks growing up in shit, 'trash' is an upgrade
mircea_popescu: "you can take the girl out of the trash, but you can't take the trash out of the girl principally because she perceives all the alternatives are shit"
trinque: I used to imagine a robot came and pressed these out of the ground one by one
wywialm: i was asked if i can give voice here - is it still true that only people in assbot L1 WoT may give voice?
ascii_field: trinque: they are made largely of, approximately, papier mache.
trinque: I grew up in the Biggest and Best "master planned community" in TX
Adlai: wywialm: anybody in L2 can !up somenewbie, which gives them temporary voice; anybody in L1 can !rate somenewbie, putting them in L2 and enabling them to self-voice
mircea_popescu: "So my new little desktop app, which was quickly distributed to millions of unsuspecting checkbox-ignoring users, would “borrow” their existing Google session by reading their browser cookies, then invisibly “click” that App Store install button for them on apps that were paying us for distribution."
n6: googling around it seems like I might need a cert but don't really understand what its asking for.
ascii_field: what is this nonsense with sks using ssl anyway
trinque: gotta link everything to openssl
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do we have a civilized keyserv yet
n6: ascii_field: Not sure I understand would turning off ssl fix this?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45650 @ 0.0006191 = 28.2619 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0006114 = 20.1456 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 5000 @ 0.00208192 = 10.4096 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 2450 @ 0.00208192 = 5.1007 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5306 @ 0.00060438 = 3.2068 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34739 @ 0.00061971 = 21.5281 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Current Blocks: 369298 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 1645 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.53083
trinque: thestringpuller: good afternoon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48260 @ 0.00061681 = 29.7673 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56812 @ 0.00058826 = 33.4202 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00062164 = 22.3169 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: those bastards at Just5 did not reply
shinohai: Read: It's ok if we censor debate *contrary* to XT
trinque: I suppose I am a filthy american who does not deserve fine Slovenian engineering, and Moscow design
shinohai: But don't do it to us, we'll melt down like tumblrinas
trinque: ascii_field: pretty looking dumbphone I was considering
ascii_field: what's wrong with the chinese 'credit card phones' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00062605 = 31.8033 BTC [+] {8}
trinque: nothing in particular; I am still in the market for a suitable dumbphone
ascii_field: a dozen makers of this. about $20, give or take, in usa
trinque: extent of the thing's responsibilites are "yes I am still alive" and "yes I will go check out that server"
kakobrekla: fine Slovenian engineering < last phone of this sorts was 'eta 80' afaik
ascii_field: kinda like a medieval reenactment party ~complete with black death~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20640 @ 0.00060793 = 12.5477 BTC [-]
trinque: I was joking about fine slovenian engineering
trinque: thing looks like lunchbox plastic
punkman: they are just rebranded chinese phones
punkman: you can get them from the source
trinque: that credit card phone is appealing
punkman: the brick doesn't look too bad though, I don't think it's big
punkman: credit card phone comes with small battery
punkman: that is definitely bigger than I thought
punkman: the other just5 models are regular size I think
ascii_field: not like they don't all use approximately same chipset
kakobrekla: you can still get nokias that dont run android
kakobrekla: phone costs 20bux, standby time 30 days
kakobrekla: buy new one each time, no need to charge.
trinque: removable battery is important
trinque: buttons that aren't impossible would be nice
trinque: other than that, don't care, and would rather not be obligated to carry one
trinque: yeah I don't need no stinking touch screen
TheNewDeal: slightly off topic. anyone have favorite chess problem set?
n6: still working on
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html but not sure about my next step.. seems like my os is holding me back, still trying to build my spaceship but it starts with having sane tools maybe debian on the laptop then i can build this on the begalbone and then build the gentoo on the desktop?
trinque: n6: sounds like you are taking on too much at once.
n6: I'm not sure if debian is going to be any better then this.
trinque: you need to focus on a single linux environment and get a foothold there
kakobrekla: step 1: get your wototron in order (or not)
n6: kakobrekla: I don't know what you mean.
shinohai: Which I why I suggested earlier he get a sane linux to get started.
kakobrekla: n6 your keys are all fucked is what i mean
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00061481 = 19.4895 BTC [+] {3}
n6: kakobrekla: yea I lost my old key, and am trying to find my way back the right way.
n6: I had something in mind, but not sure anymore.
n6: I need to my sane sitaution in order before I can join the wot
shinohai: ^ alphabet with a few letters: nsa, fbi, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82879 @ 0.00062749 = 52.0057 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: they can rename to 'fuckyou inc.' and what difference will it make to anyone ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117800 @ 0.00058956 = 69.4502 BTC [-] {9}
n6: I still need support with Pogotron would you mind helping me some more ascii_field not sure what i'm doing and everytime the help dries up my progress stops.
trinque: n6: what's called for there is you going and doing research at the points where you get stuck
trinque: and that may take some time
trinque: even if you end up with a working pogo, if you don't understand the steps which resulted in that, you've gained very little
n6: I don't see buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch in the list of files.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00059582 = 5.0049 BTC [+]
trinque: wilbns: yes, that was linked not 20min ago
wilbns: i dunno how i missed that in front of my eyes
wilbns: probably getting alzheimers, it's on both the paternal and maternal side of my fam #great
shinohai: The lawgs and qntra have replaced my newspaper with morning coffee.
n6: i'm getting "patch -pl < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4_0567b86c55934a8b5d1351b4ccba9306ee3406c3.patch" when running patch -p1 < buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch
n6: "patch: **** strip count l is not a number" *
trinque: because it's a fucking L, dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00059582 = 2.6812 BTC [+]
trinque: go, build ye a gentoo, and read 6mos of logs
trinque: only possible route forward
trinque: damn, now that's a database
shinohai: Now the ethereum project will steal that pic punkman and use it on their "cloud-mining" webpage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0005862 = 7.8258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00058914 = 18.6463 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: yep, one shot too, at least so far
BingoBoingo: USG agitators slacking on their Purge incitement
BingoBoingo: Though the 911 salon got looted again last night
BingoBoingo: When I went to get cigarettes earlier the Proprietor was being interviewed on KMOX. Sounded very close to going full Uncle Ruckus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48808 @ 0.00058597 = 28.6 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00062389 = 8.5473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58350 @ 0.00059787 = 34.8857 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: Further !ups will cost you 0.005 per until you get in wot like everyone else.
n6: Ok im going to install gentoo and get into the wot
shinohai: I should charge you for an hour + of my time you wasted this evening at my going rate of 0.15 per
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 1000 @ 0.00208192 = 2.0819 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00058516 = 10.094 BTC [-] {3}
n6: sorry for all the wasted time, still trying to make sense of all this.
trinque: n6: just gotta pick *one* thing and make sense of *that8
trinque: and accept that it may take some time.
shinohai: Pretty simple. Read logs. Don't ask people to help you do one thing, and do another. I have neither the time nor crayons for people like that.
mircea_popescu: aww, he ran alf out ? i was kinda enjoying the spectacle.
n6: trinque: my issue is i need an ethernet bridge to install gentoo and don't know how to do that.
n6: so maybe debian is my first step
trinque: I dunno what you mean by bridge
trinque: they're cheap; get one, stick it between your modem and computers
trinque: then in 6-12mos we can talk about replacing the thing with OpenBSD
trinque: if you keep asking along the way, you're going to get opinions from people which you're not prepared to implement
trinque: do something dumb, iterate on it
trinque: doing something the right way while having no idea how or why you're doing it, you gain nothing
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> there is no reason for '90s bricks. << motorola made them with good enough antenna assemblages you could bash a head in. also the hi q plastics in the casing allowed one to drive mercedes over phone and then use it.
☟︎ shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere ....
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if only ubuntu weren't fucktarded we could recommend it to noobs.
☟︎ shinohai: I recommended Debian because he obviously isn't quite experienced enough for Gentoo yet.
shinohai: I'm not sure if Barbie linux would run for him or not.
trinque: sorry fucking state really.
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's what the Puritan Fathers would do with young women.
trinque: I find the building beautiful, if the purpose vulgar
trinque: reminds me of a thread on the relationship between computers and bureaucracy
punkman: "After France was liberated toward the end of World War II, French citizens who had supported the invading German troops in any form were tracked down and had their heads forcefully shaved as a badge of dishonor. As many as 20,000 French citizens had their heads shaved in public, the majority of which were women."
mircea_popescu: "women that had sex with german officers and enjoyed chocolate and stuff in preference of their poor and worthless countrymen were then brutalized by the later"
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell n6 Step 1: Just run OpenBSD for now Step 2: transcribe and build "Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code" Step 3: Six monthe of logs should be up, then you may Gentoo
shinohai: Looks like you got your smokes just in time BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, The Blanchette is between St Louis and Bumfuck Missouri. I-70 Bridge between me and StL is the "Stan Span"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19173 @ 0.00058505 = 11.2172 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, I am in a very white part of Illinois.
shinohai: I live in a darker area than I'd like, but all-in-all it isn't bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32598 @ 0.00059289 = 19.327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153350 @ 0.00058423 = 89.5917 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Living in a shittier area would be more fun, but It's nice knowing that the whopping 20 blacks in town don't make this a target for DOJ purge agitation
mircea_popescu: ". In spite of Zynga's hemorrhaging wallet and shrinking userbase shares still manage to trade on Nasdaq (archived) at $2.64 per share implying a market cap of $2,072,302,357 on a earnings per share of negative 19 cents."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00058222 = 14.4682 BTC [-]
shinohai: I have more Hispanics around me than anything. I see ICE agents on a regular basis.
BingoBoingo: Every few years ICE will bust one of the local mexican restaurants or small businesses here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 300000 @ 0.0000299 = 8.97 BTC [-] {6}
shinohai: yup, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement
mircea_popescu: "Even if you don't have any money of your own to scam, your data may well be of use to someone, and having your identity abused can mean trouble for you further down the line. So don't make it easy for the crooks - try to stick to sensible and cautious settings on your social media accounts, as far as the providers allow, and avoid sharing anything you wouldn't want the whole world to know."
mircea_popescu: how exactly does this follow ? it really is the govt's problem throughout, why should the cattle care one whit ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 500 @ 0.00208192 = 1.041 BTC
wilbns: BingoBoingo: my first job was at a car wash in Arkansas, ICE came at least one time I know of, possibly 2 and took some of the Mexicans I was working with away.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00060422 = 7.1902 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: It does tons of good. The same people that get deported are back in < 6 months.
☟︎ trinque: Trump's gonna build the great wall o' Texas; you'll see
trinque: I have to say watching the guy give speeches is entertaining the shit out of me
mircea_popescu: the part where 'mainstream' media superiorly dismissed some recent speech while popularity shot up was amusing enough.
wilbns: i think the whole subject of illegal immigration and subsequent media coverage is just a big misdirection play to stop people from banding together and asking real questions.
trinque: mircea_popescu: he's clearly doing well
mircea_popescu: what's the woman's name again, i forget. sounds just like a porn star.
trinque: that was the one he implied was on her period
trinque: he's somehow getting around the political correctness, and people seem to love it
mircea_popescu: then derps go "o hello here is where you apologize" and the answer comes "no, this is where i'd fuck your mother, if her cunt didn't stink"
shinohai: She had no qualms about discussing penesis and such with Howard Stern, however.
mircea_popescu: well, she believes penises are intrinsically superior to vulvas. she may or may not be right, but she's definitely sexist.
mats: hearing about the potus run secondhand makes me glad I don't waste cycles thinking about it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00059925 = 4.0407 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's third hand technically. i heard it secondhand myself.
mats: irc is a string and tin cans
wilbns: as long as the masses are rallying to the side of democrats or republicans as their party of choice each election the people who are really in control will keep on having one - and the masses will be left to pick up the tab.
trinque: I don't care much about the presidency, but listening to Trump talk about how weak we look around the world, and having no qualms about being an asshole towards the rest of the machine, that's entertainment.
mircea_popescu: wilbns well obviously ? what's next, the lightbulbs are gonna power the generator ?
mircea_popescu: the masses are the masses. ipso definition they pick the tab and someone else writes the bill.
mircea_popescu: "Copay is an easy-to-use multi-signature bitcoin wallet developed by BitPay to significantly decrease the risk of Bitcoin theft."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? giving it a look real quick
wilbns: mircea_popescu: yes, yet this message is never heard nor processed. it is airgapped.
trinque: wilbns: you're assuming "they" need to hear the "message"
trinque: where in fact it's your perspective on their importance that needs to change
mircea_popescu: there's really no space, no need and no benefit from "the people" getting involved in managing other people's affairs.
mircea_popescu: it'd be splendid if they took a more active role managing theirs.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller writing on tits can not possibly have been my idea.
wilbns: sorry, not sure i get what part of the perspective needs to change?
wilbns: "their importance" - not sure who they is
trinque: and I'm speaking as someone that went to more than one Ron Paul thing in the 08 election
trinque: there is no great awakening coming; what would that even look like?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lmao what a fucking scam srsly... so he has some pictures, pngs text on it, wants to be paid serious dough for this and runs disqus to boot.
mircea_popescu: why does bitcoin attract the cream of the crop of imbecility ?
shinohai: Because without hundreds of features, how you gonna moon?
wilbns: trinque: i liked paul too. perhaps great change will come through cryptography and decentralization
trinque: people are "free" enough today that they could change anything they like
trinque: you can go out into the street right now and start a riot, and the cops wont even kill that many people
mircea_popescu: for as long as it's growing they're not killing anyone.
mircea_popescu: aka "peaceful protest is dumb - go for numerous protest instead"
trinque: yeah, there could be a tipping point where national guard operations happen
mircea_popescu: apparently the best way to not be racist is by being racist in the currently fashionable manner, and so forth.
mircea_popescu: not giving a shit about the stupid preoccupations of the stupid is the worst crime.
mircea_popescu: and in NO CASE can people be responsible for their own lot, because hey, what scope does that live for politicianing!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are the bitcoin "business" ideas really that much more stupid than those in bezzle-land?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00060422 = 3.2326 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: reminds me a little of that Deepak Chopra guy talking about quantum consciousness
trinque: bitcoin is weird, so you can project whatever nonsensical bullshit you want onto it
mircea_popescu: "holistic" essentially denotes the inclination of economically driven, socially & intellectually marginal parasites to freely mix and match.
mircea_popescu: they're the equivalent of bacteria, and thus the behaviour is unsurprising - bacteria also survive principally because they're not too careful when exchanging dna bits.
mircea_popescu: consequently, "everything's one" and last year we were lolling at idiots doing "quantum miners".
mircea_popescu: homeopathic string theory. why the fuck not ? the aloe vera wallet.
trinque hooks his quantum miner to his mr fusion
mircea_popescu: they're not even very good at it, incidentally. the space could be trivially ennumerated and then mechanically exploited.
punkman: that's a pretty good one :D
mircea_popescu: "add this magnetic strip to your miner and save 3-50% electricity by the refocusing of positron rings"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mostly a disease of "visual thinkers", as illustrated by the poor job they do at covering the actual space.
☟︎