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jurov: these slides are useless
ben_vulpes: go on, jurov
ben_vulpes: maybe to *you*
jurov: nope. my eyes hurt
ben_vulpes: but i don't actually know how modern virtualization even works, so...decent content.
ben_vulpes: diddle the stylesheet yourself! sheesh.
BingoBoingo: I'm with jurov, I don't see no slides at all.
trinque: yer js is off
asciilifeform: just when no one imagined slide could be more of a torment...
asciilifeform: 2d slide decks.
trinque: lol teh kvetching
jurov: you really can't find anything that does't need 20 times clicking throught "But really?"
ben_vulpes: clicking?
ben_vulpes: are your arrow keys broken?
BingoBoingo: jonvaage: Not much at all.
asciilifeform: also we did 'rump kernel' here
asciilifeform: !s rump kernel
assbot: 0 results for 'rump kernel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rump+kernel
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/jonathanvaage << jonvaage is this you?
assbot: Jonathan Vaage (@JonathanVaage) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW2xRd )
asciilifeform: scam
asciilifeform: it doesn't 'remove os' but replaces linux with a bizarre academiturd
jurov: i never used arrow keys in a browser
asciilifeform: and 'virtualized drivers' are just passing the real os buck to the virtualizer
asciilifeform: which somehow 'doesn't count' aha
asciilifeform: what a crock'o'shit
asciilifeform: this is a prime example of mircea_popescu's 'death by meta'
jonvaage: Yessir
asciilifeform: the extra insult is in the fact that the thing that these derps pretend to do, in fact direly needs doing
asciilifeform: and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
ben_vulpes: that thing being running without an os?
jurov: can't learn to chroot stuff properly, instead keep throwing virtualized turds around
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: academiturd << would be?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: more broadly, the removal of complexity layers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://rumpkernel.org << see for yourself.
assbot: Rump Kernels ... ( http://bit.ly/1KKD3ah )
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> academiturd << would be? << Minix 3 et al
BingoBoingo: Plan9, etc
jonvaage: ben_vulpes: My question homogeneity is not a feigned slight at any particular culture but a question on the inherent virtue of homogeneity alone.
asciilifeform: the whole 'microkernel' thing is a '80s u.s. academitardation that never seems to go to rest in its grave
asciilifeform: one of 1,001 flavours of lipstick folks attempted to make the unix pig fuckable with.
ben_vulpes: jonvaage: you'd not eat salt for dinner, would you?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you hold this attitude about rump as well?
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: aw, did the twitter guy leave?
ben_vulpes: i gather the friendly micro-dos is back
asciilifeform: it'd have some appeal if the net result was something like 1) 100x fewer lines of code 2) written by wot man in good standing
BingoBoingo: homogentity is great when you are talking about a fleet of taxis, poor if you are talking about your food supply post nuclear war
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seems to be a member of the poor connections party
asciilifeform: but what i see is the complexity buck being passed
asciilifeform: to 'xen' etc.
asciilifeform: this - needs to die, in a fire.
asciilifeform: the pretentious derps, just think of it.
asciilifeform: imagine themselves 'os devs'
ben_vulpes: something like that.
ben_vulpes off to tequila with birthday staff
BingoBoingo starting to consider potential replacement laptops, bitcoind having outgrown being a feasible background process fulltime on this machine.
jurov: give it extra hdd
jurov: er..i mean, its own
mod6: lol. im like o.0
mod6: <+asciilifeform> 2d slide decks. << that
mod6: heheh, "what 5 slides??"
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's the CPU's ability to shed heat that's the limiting factor.
trinque: mod6: I question the geometry of this cube my head's apparently in
trinque: reminds me of the shitty desktop switchers that everyone had an orgasm over when compiz became a thing
mod6: heheh
asciilifeform: the 2d slide deck is like a retarded kid, who others have learned to ignore, and somewhere he found a loudspeaker 'so they can't ignore any longer1111!!!11'
asciilifeform: this needs to be burned out, with hot irons.
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo: I'm either going to to have to move this machines fan replacement schedule from every ~18 months to 6, stop taking this machine out in the garage to smoke with me, rent a machine to use as an electrum server, or find a beefier machine
jurov: *BingoBoingo descends to a damsel in distress
williamdunne: Electrum server is probably a good option
williamdunne: You can stick it up on some cheap VPS
williamdunne: Not like they can steal your keys
BingoBoingo: jurov: Not distress, just vexation since I've had to resort to supplementing with an external fan way too early in this machine's lifecycle
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: but they can steal knowledge of which keys are mine
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Also I worked so hard to chop together a kind of Bitcoin that works on OpenBSD
jurov: or you can sprinkle sleep(1) calls in the ecdsa code
mircea_popescu: fixed sleep doesnt help so much.
jurov: oh, you tried?
BingoBoingo: It throttles down alright, just baseline sync'd Bitcoin cpu consumption on this machine is higher than it is for 720p video
BingoBoingo: Then again that could just be good video drivers
scoopbot_revived: News! Ripple Labs Fined for Violating Bank Secrecy Act URL: http://qntra.net/2015/05/ripple-labs-fined-for-violating-bank-secrecy-act/
BingoBoingo comparing the comparative merits of the thinkpad X201s and X220
mircea_popescu: jurov not something that is established experimentally, either
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mircea_popescu: so wait, the violation of "bank secrecy act" consists of having kept banking secrets ?
mircea_popescu: gotta love minitruth :D
mircea_popescu: but whatever, horowitz can pay. they can push back and forth the same million in qe, taxes, fines, donations, govt contracting and whatever until they fall over. every 1000 times they do it, the "gdp" goes up by 0.0001% or w/e
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1121763 << how much does structural integrity help if the plane's headed to its crash site ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 23:58:52; jonvaage: How much good does homogeneity help if the predominant culture is fucked?
mircea_popescu: depends. if you regain control, a lot. if you don't, itdoesn't make a difference anyway. a bagful of dandelion fluff is never going to make an airplane anyway
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121797 << i've never seen worthy folks as easily discouraged as these imaginary ones of yours. what's next, dildos discourage men from fucking women, because they behold them rubbing on the dongs and get all flaccid ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 00:04:04; asciilifeform: and the idiotic scam helps to discourage the few folks who might yet do it.
mircea_popescu: in a functioning sexconomy, bad surogates on display are arousing not depressing.
thestringpuller: /wind 7
thestringpuller: :(
williamdunne doesn't understand how homegenity of any particular racial group can be useful, when most cultural traits are specific to individuals regardless of racial group.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121821 << shuttup you hater you. i drive cabs around ba all the time! and i also cooked a steak and made myself coffee today.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 00:09:48; asciilifeform: the pretentious derps, just think of it.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne less time wasted identifying the idiots, which need to be oppressed ?
williamdunne: How can you do that with a racial group though? I think this group testifies to that as we're from all over
williamdunne: The only real common trait is male
mircea_popescu: that's kinda what happens with racial stereotypes. if you grow up among white people, you immediately recognize white trash. black people don't register properly in this scheme, so your mental heuristic (correctly) just assigns the trash bit to all of them.
mircea_popescu: and if they don't like it, let them look more like upstanding white folk.
mircea_popescu: obviously all this is pointless once we have internets and wots and so on. but for a long time before now...
mircea_popescu: it was the only way.
williamdunne: So, just to be clear. The difference is you can tell who shitty white people are, but you can't tell who shitty black people are?
mircea_popescu: well, the "you" of the example.
mircea_popescu: heck, most monocultural folk can't even DISTINGUISH people of other races.
williamdunne: Can't say I've really experienced that personally
mircea_popescu: where you from ?
williamdunne: South West of England, its like 99% white
mircea_popescu: well, maybe you're more perceptive than most.
williamdunne: The biggest city here is 96.2% white
williamdunne: Lol
williamdunne: Maybe, I know at secondary school I wasn't the only one without the issue
williamdunne: Well, as far as I could tell
williamdunne: Occasional racist jokes but the couple of Asian kids and couple of black kids were just viewed as other kids
mircea_popescu: so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
williamdunne: Maybe the whole school was more perceptive, I had heard of a few racist-type events at the non-selective schools
williamdunne: Probably not in a mugging
williamdunne: Quite quick
williamdunne: Couldn't do that with white people
mircea_popescu: maybe your polarities are reversed :D
williamdunne: But sure, introduce me to them over an evening, and outside of usual struggles with names I'll do fine
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's common, tho obviously not universal.
williamdunne: I'm an elderly Korean woman at heart
mircea_popescu: what do you mean by "cultural traits" by the way ?
williamdunne: Pretty broad, so interests, attitudes, emotional stuff
williamdunne: Stuff they like
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: because obviously the most commonly held lowest denominator of culture (ie, language) is pretty race-related.
mircea_popescu: not that many white people speaking sino-tibetan languages, not that many black people speaking indo-european languages, not that many yellow people speaking semitic languages etc.
williamdunne: Seems more geographic, with race being the likelihood of being in whatever geography
williamdunne: Lots of English speaking yellow people who don't know any asian languages in the UK
mircea_popescu: more or less.
mircea_popescu: obviously a kid can learn any language it hears growing up.
williamdunne: "France Restricts the Movement of Gold, Cash, & Crypto-Currencies"
williamdunne: This should be a hilarious read
mircea_popescu: they probably lied about their age to some woman.
williamdunne: Mm can't find much info about the actual regs
williamdunne: Just a "The control of crypto-currencies like Bitcoin are set to be tightened drastically" appended to the end
williamdunne: Useless article
mircea_popescu: but france is the most socialist country and it attacks people with money!
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williamdunne throws money *at* mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "five elephants decided to figure out what man is. according to their unanimous testimony, man is essentially flat."
mircea_popescu: damn this entire fetlife fraudulent dmca business has been one of the best things. i really love these new servers i got.
williamdunne: Yeah whats come of that so far?
mircea_popescu: Server uptime: 26 days 20 hours 41 minutes 14 seconds
mircea_popescu: Total accesses: 40274915 - Total Traffic: 360 GB
mircea_popescu: CPU Usage: u.23 s.14 cu28.82 cs0 - .0492% CPU load
mircea_popescu: 13.64 requests/sec - 127.5 kB/second - 9.3 kB/request
mircea_popescu: 20 requests currently being processed, 28 idle workers
mircea_popescu: how not to love it. 0.05% load srsly.
williamdunne: DaFuq are the stats on that?
williamdunne: *specs
williamdunne: Although I've normally found that most web-frameworks fuckup at 10-15% load
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mircea_popescu: e5-26whatever
mircea_popescu: btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors
mircea_popescu: and the only thing that even offers 4ghz sucks even worse.
williamdunne: Shouldn't that depend on usage, and the specific CPUs?
mircea_popescu: there's bunches of them
williamdunne: I mean overclocking for example on consumer is verifiably improving performance.
williamdunne: *on consumer hardware
mircea_popescu: this is server high end stuff.
mircea_popescu: a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything
mircea_popescu: o, yeah, that eightcore fx thing. but it's a middling offering at best.
williamdunne: I definitely saw something they were meant to be great for
williamdunne: Their 24 core opteron things
mircea_popescu: still very good value for money, but anyway
williamdunne: Think it was a messagequeue of some-sort
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BingoBoingo: AMD seems to be still doing ok on the server if you are going to shard the physical machine into a fuckton of vms
mircea_popescu: in random wtf today : minecraft server runs on one core only o.O
BingoBoingo: Yeah
williamdunne: Mmm, its a bunch of PoS java code
BingoBoingo needs to see if minecraft client will work on OpenBSD for him
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Yeah, think I would be correct in saying its used a bunch in video-rendering stuff
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> btw, some funny shit : from what i hear from people who'd know, 2.x ghz processors actually solidly outperform 3.x ghz processors << less work per tick, aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup
asciilifeform: the 'cores' derpage poured fuel in this already-hot fire, by giving incentive for underperforming serially to keep thermal manageable
mircea_popescu: not so sure cores was available.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> this is server high end stuff... a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything << afaik this is the -only- market they haven't entirely lost
asciilifeform: $maxint opterons
thestringpuller: http://gavinandresen.ninja/does-more-transactions-necessarily-mean-more-centralized << pete_dushenski gaving must have not seen your comments on your blog from yester-month
mircea_popescu: how to improve on 1024 chickens ? upgrade to 1024 turducken
asciilifeform: plus the '08-prior sommelier market
asciilifeform: (which will not keep them alive, no)
BingoBoingo wonders what sort of mangling would let a Bitcoin unload the ECDSA on opencl so gpu could fuck with it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the very expensive opterons nobody buys
asciilifeform buys
mircea_popescu: the only shit they're still selling is stuff like the fx gaming processors, mostly to nvidia fanbase.
asciilifeform: but no argument, amd is not long for this world
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: unless intel pulls a microshit-apple and keeps it on life support as token competitor
mircea_popescu: sadly. i loved them for like a decade.
asciilifeform: but yes, it has been decided, the intel rootkittronic turd is to be in all x86 boxen.
asciilifeform: (the amd variant has vastly insufficient scope - and uptake - and so.)
mircea_popescu: im really hoping the chinese come out with an actual chip alternative.
mircea_popescu: that's what i'd do if i were their emperor.
asciilifeform: they did try
mircea_popescu: blatantly steal all the intel stuff, throw out the garbage, let anyone who wants to complain talk to their hand.
asciilifeform: 'dragon' (used in, iirc, loongson)
asciilifeform: except the only reason they'd steal x86 is to run winblows
asciilifeform: as ru did with 'elbrus'
mircea_popescu: i don't mean one that sucxks. i don't even mean one that doesn't suck. i mean one that's about (amd/intel in 1995)**3
asciilifeform: straight to 'elbrus' then
mircea_popescu: they can run golang for all i care.
asciilifeform: the interesting part is that chinese mips (see above) are in production, but entirely unobtainable in the west.
asciilifeform: they are not concerned with export.
mircea_popescu: i suspect dry run.
asciilifeform: plenty in ru, interestingly
asciilifeform: quite too many for dry run
asciilifeform: just that they are hand-exported.
mircea_popescu: they aren't nor shoudl; they be. lemme tell you something : the largest bank in the world (icbc) trades in the states on pink sheets
mircea_popescu: this lol was in the log last year.
asciilifeform: l0l wut
mircea_popescu: it is not their job to care. retardo-us may imagine all it wants that icbc only exists if they say it does, and gs is best whatever because so sayz washington post.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile...
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu find a loongson in that electronics hotdog stand next to $hotel ?
asciilifeform had this item on checklist, did not get to it
mircea_popescu: you know, contrary to your high regard of them, argentines are retarded.
mircea_popescu: for all their pretenses, they do not qualify as a town, they're goat herders at best.
asciilifeform: hey it's 3 or 4 notches above the retardation here in east gringolandia
mircea_popescu: sure. but still retards.
asciilifeform: goatfuckers with chinese imports by the gigatonne. hence question.
mircea_popescu: the sort of retards with good food and all, but still. don't be surprised they don't know the difference between a tool and another tool. as long as it's not for farmin' or cookin', they dunno.
mircea_popescu: the chinese export what you wish to import, they don't care.
asciilifeform: precisely the situation in ru. folks end up with mips lappy, and end up pissing on it because 'not only won't run counterstrike, but mozilla is slow'
mircea_popescu: thus, argentina gets tons of costume jewelry.
asciilifeform: this is precisely why i suspect it exists in b-a
asciilifeform: because cheapolade
mircea_popescu: who plays counterstrike on a laptop for crying out loud.
asciilifeform: i did dive into an electronics shop when walking with ben_vulpes, now that i think of it. saw nothing like loongson.
mircea_popescu: why not on a comode
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not my notion. direct quote from some godforsaken ru forum
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm merely trying to divine whether they export these buggers after all, or - as i suspect - the examples turning up in ru were hand-carried to the street market
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure they export anything you want. but ~you gotta want it~.
asciilifeform: (i will point out that rms, famously, was not able to obtain a replacement for his loongson - which was stolen by bag-snatchers in b-a)
mircea_popescu: whereas ustards expect to be pushed, and are so used with the pushing they simply can't find the lake
mircea_popescu: unless it tornadoes at them
asciilifeform: gotta want 100,000 examples of it.
mircea_popescu: yes. it's what importing is.
asciilifeform: interestingly, there are 'disposable' laptops sold at u.s. crap stores
asciilifeform: (as in, < 100 usd)
mircea_popescu: you will notice it was definitely not the us' fault that you couldn't find jeans in moscow cca 1985.
asciilifeform: they feature 'intel atom'
asciilifeform: because national turdphactory.
asciilifeform: it is how they dump inventory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did they ever come out wiht the elbrus 8s ?
mircea_popescu: not sure why you, or i, or anyone would give a shit about some closed turd.
mircea_popescu: (obviously ru bureaucracy needs something for import substitution, but other than that...)
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly out. and, iirc it's a pedantically documented sparc, rather than closed turd
asciilifeform: (though i am not aware of masks, etc. having been published)
asciilifeform attempts to find the docs, turns up nothing but marketing crud
asciilifeform: i must note that the firm has a lengthy history of chumpatronic shenanigans
asciilifeform: dating back prior to fall of su
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mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: i expect to purchase a 'fluxbabbitt' before i ever so much as touch an 'elbrus.'
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121888 <<< asians all look the same to me sorta thing?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 01:00:04; mircea_popescu: so if you get mugged by a korean guy you can confidently pick him up out of a line-up of six other korean guys, same age same height ?
asciilifeform: http://www.idm-plus.ru/tf16a.html << ru forth micro.
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asciilifeform: (made on cotract in cn)
asciilifeform: *contract
decimation: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2338 < baltimore man writes about what he saw
assbot: JL: ‘A Time for Men’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVm43 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A6%D0%A1%D0%A2-R1000 << mega-l0l. claimed to be employed in ru missile & crypto gear. sparc v9 clone. manufactured 'in small parties of a few tens of examples per month.'
assbot: МЦСТ-R1000 — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLVkJr )
asciilifeform: decimation: interesting
asciilifeform: but not entirely surprising
decimation: "2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding municipalities were concentrated in three zones, leaving over 95% of Baltimore City and Baltimore County without police protection."
danielpbarron: 4. Lone white women away from home were targeted for gang rape by gangs of black men immediately across the city and county.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I am too race blind. A few years ago an acquaintance robbed a bank and seeing the CCTV pic in the paper I'm like who is that fat korean? Turns out it was a fat white guy I went to college with.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on chinese 640x480 turdcams, we can all be fat koreans.
cazalla: 1fps!
decimation: asciilifeform: actually there's a new 'technology' for hd cameras
decimation: instead of shitty ip cams, they are making hd cameras that can propagate full picture at 'baseband'
decimation: http://www.hkvstar.com/technology-news/hd-tvi-cameras-new-technology-for-analog-hd-solution.html
assbot: HD-TVI cameras - new technology for analog HD solution | Technology News ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLW01i )
asciilifeform: to $maxint base station, aha
decimation: unfortunately there only seem to be dvrs available now, no computer capture cards
decimation: yeah, that will come soon
decimation: the cameras are pretty cheap though
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On black and white turdcams I look more like a chubby somali than a korean, but yes. I am surprised he did not mount aggressive defense on the camera quality.
decimation: really this is gonna sweep the market, because of the vast infrastructure of deployed coax for cameras
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decimation: or something like it
asciilifeform: and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened
asciilifeform still has enormous spool of 'thin-net'
decimation: heh I had some of those back in the day, 10-base-2
decimation: as well as token ring
asciilifeform: and a bag of 'tees'
BingoBoingo loving triclopyr, seriously that shit is a gardeners best friend
decimation: actually coax can generally work at much higher frequency than twisted pair, but I guess it is more expensive
asciilifeform: moar copper, moar cost.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, pull the weeds out with your hands.. it's what i was doing this morning.. fucking wind has caned my brussel sprouts too :\
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asciilifeform: (prior to invention of optical fiber, long-haul telecom was 100% coax)
decimation: plus multiple pairs are naturally bidirectional
decimation: I went snorkeling in hawaii once, saw a massive undersea cable that was one of the first international lines
decimation: they demolished a reef to do so
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Ah, been doing that too, but there is a point where one needs to not merely kill weeds of limited size, but trees. Meter and a half tall toxichondendron specimine annihilated by triclopyr
BingoBoingo not always the most attentive gardener
asciilifeform: decimation: afaik all of those remain under the sea. and, by and large, still work (if one were to plug them in)
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanauma_Bay#/media/File:Hanauma_Bay.JPG
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asciilifeform: (the very first oceanic cable, famously, burned out)
decimation: yeah I used the cable and the cut through the reef to swim out into the bay
cazalla: i'm quite attentive.. only wish i had more land to grow.. need to add a green house, bees an an orchard, hopefully keel over and die in such a place one day
BingoBoingo likes to tell self he is saving attention for better place to garden
cazalla: first year getting fruit from my meyer lemon too which are nice
BingoBoingo: I'm too far north for citrus
cazalla: too cold? meyer's do ok here in melb considering the cold (although no snowy winter obv)
BingoBoingo: past couple years I surrendered the northwest quadrant of the yard to growing as native woodland, but... squirrels plant hickory in the worst places
decimation: asciilifeform: http://atlantic-cable.com//Cables/1957HAW1/ < "The polythene-insulated coaxial type cable is designed to provide the same number of telephone channels, namely, 36, as the first transatlantic telephone cables, the greater part of which were also produced by Submarine Cables Limited."
assbot: History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - 1957 HAW-1 California-Hawaii Cable ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLXoB7 )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: two winters ago stayed well below 0F for most of January and kept two feet of snow on the ground
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decimation: as I recall the outer jacket had been torn and the structural cables were visible
BingoBoingo: from different Zeus rages
asciilifeform: 'President Hoover signed a permit to lay cable in the territorial waters of the United States on June 17, 1930. The Cuban-American Telephone and Telegraph Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, accepted responsibility for the work under this permit and filed it with the State Department in Washington D.C. The Division Attorney applied for a War Department Permit on August 9, 1930. The application inc
asciilifeform: luded nautical charts and drawings showing the route to be followed in laying the cable. The War Department issued its permit Number 2845 on September 8, 1930. Thereafter, United States Customs advised that inspections of the cable tank buildings, additional permits and the payment of duties were required in addition to a warehouse bond for the importation and storage of surplus cable.'
asciilifeform: ( http://atlantic-cable.com//CableCos/KeyWest/index2.htm )
assbot: History of the Atlantic Cable & Submarine Telegraphy - Key West ... ( http://bit.ly/1dLYahs )
asciilifeform: usg-4, as we can see, was nearly in full bloom already.
decimation: asciilifeform: absolutely. the whole thing was merely embiggened by wwii
decimation: asciilifeform: and I agree with moldbug - it is long in the tooth
asciilifeform: anybody ever 'bbv' bitcoind ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/bbv-manual.html )
assbot: Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1dM08hZ )
asciilifeform: or even gprof
asciilifeform: or wtf, anything at all
asciilifeform: how about dhat ? ( http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/dh-manual.html )
assbot: Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YNbA )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ ?
decimation: asciilifeform: interesting I've never used bbv, only mem profile
asciilifeform: many interesting gadgets, which, apparently, nobody uses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because everyone knows the way to make silicon is by the dozen
mircea_popescu: craftmansheep!
mircea_popescu: <decimation> "2. All police assets from Baltimore City and surrounding <<< the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity. it is not the police's job to protect you. you don't get to sue either the police generally or individual police officers for having failed to assist - even in places where you can sue ordinary citizens for same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and of course ethernet over coax somehow never happened << how not ? it's how i got broadband for a decade. "catv"
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: police < yeah I buy that, but it's often the case that the democratic police like to confuse the voters into thinking that they work for them
mircea_popescu: heh. was example earlier in the log about how "police work for them". was re three strikes ballot in ca.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how i got broadband for a decade << same
asciilifeform was poking phun at the imbecility of the camera thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh, so far nobody even compiles glibc. go away with your exotic temptations, fair lady.
asciilifeform: nobody - to a first approximation - wants to do fucking anything at all...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the point of the king's police is to maintain the king's claims to sovereignity << this was no mystery of any kind to the folks who first witnessed this marvellous invention.
decimation: asciilifeform: in theory, ip cameras could work as well as dumb analog-over-coax, but in practice the firmware sucks
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the king has no further good claims on sovereignity, and as such must now surrender the police.
decimation: yarvin thought that urban police depts. would make good rulers
decimation: given how they have to deal with reality as-is
asciilifeform: why not beggars then ?
asciilifeform: or rats, from sewers.
mircea_popescu: "7. Over 200 businesses, including at least 13 pharmacies, and up to a third of liquor stores, have been wiped from the face of the earth, many of them minority businesses which are uninsured and will not recover. This places the drug gangs in a position to expand the illegal economy in areas where businesses will not return—as they did not return after the 1968 riots—which offsets losses of territory recently suff
mircea_popescu: ered at the hands of Johns Hopkins Hospital and University buying up drug territory."
decimation: how many beggars in the us couldn't have a warm bed and meals - if willin to submit to charity
mircea_popescu: this guy has a pretty decent understanding of how this shit works.
decimation: I've been to johns hopkins in baltimore, it's in hell-hole ghetto land
asciilifeform: surrounded, today, by (discreet) guard booths
mircea_popescu: but the police shows up.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: mega-posh campus, incidentally
decimation: johns hopkins is actually the largest employer in maryland
asciilifeform: makes the lawns of d.c. capitol, etc. look shabby.
mircea_popescu: "10. All whites I have spoken to have noted that blacks they normally come into contact with have been behaving with increased—or not before present—hostility. This has been noted by the author as well, with hard eye-contact and aggressive posturing evidenced by most black males I now encounter, where before that was a minority expression of about a third of such men."
decimation: all the other industry is long-gone
asciilifeform: decimation: last i checked it was nsa
mircea_popescu: this gonna be a warm summer.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, could be
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decimation: http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-rg-mdbusiness21-story.html < although I bet johns hopkins university + medical is pretty close
assbot: Top Maryland employers - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAixT )
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/?f=site << me looks and smiles. ah, youth...
assbot: Baltimore's Violence Guy ... ( http://bit.ly/1DRAjlt )
decimation: mircea_popescu: the problem this guy (the blog author) has is that if he is too public about his point of view, the king's police will make an example of him
mircea_popescu: someone invite him over.
asciilifeform: 206451
asciilifeform: re: police irregularities: i'm still betting on the hypothesis that local police will be pissed on in propagandatron endlessly until finally entirely replaced (as planned) with centralized gendarmerie
asciilifeform: which will, naturally, follow 'federal equal opportunity employment' etc.
decimation: I'm not sure about such a coordinated plot, but it certainly is the case that urban police departments are independent power centers upon which usg frowns
mircea_popescu: yes, because you have this strange fetishistic attractor in your mental prognosticator.
decimation: we already have 'federal equal opportunity employment'
asciilifeform: and, the absolutely key soviet part, gendarme will be posted far from his home town
mircea_popescu: but no. baltimore/maryland is currently under an aliance of the underworld. they WILL drive out any and all statal enforcement, because that is what happens when the underworld decides to .
mircea_popescu: it's not accidental that my path to breaking 1984 was as i described it at the time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mega-posh campus + medical school seems to thrive on medicaid like kudzu, local entity of that flavor is "BJC healthcare"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, baltimore may well be the hole the night crawls through.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what does it mean to 'drive out statal enforcement' in a place that is run 100% on usg largesse ?
mircea_popescu: if detroit next copies them...
asciilifeform: and why was l.a. not the hole the night walks in through ?
decimation: "In the city, the entitlement pressure continues to ramp up, with the Whole Foods grocery store coming under fire for feeding national guardsmen that prevented their store from being looted. The ghettoites claim that the grocer should have been feeding the black students who lost their free school lunch on Tuesday, rather than the guardsmen who were protecting the grocer from these same juvenile delinquents. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no such thing as "government largesse".
asciilifeform: l.a. had proper street war.
mircea_popescu: the government is that derpy kid in school. it doesn't give anything, the kids just take.
asciilifeform: (mega-recommend: watch the extant films from it. good quality shootouts, etc)
mircea_popescu: because la is too fragmented, apparently.
BingoBoingo: l.a. had the problem of firstness
decimation: mircea_popescu: but that approach fails when men with guns are willing to stand
mircea_popescu: also, perhaps.
mircea_popescu: decimation what men ?
decimation: there are few
mircea_popescu: why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?!
decimation: that's the problem the men with guns have, isn't it
mircea_popescu: dea guys are just in it for the columbian whore parties / stolen goodies from evidence room.
mircea_popescu: it's not a problem, no.
decimation: 'the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> why would you, or anyone stand for the usg ?! << i can think of one reason - if alternative is surrender to orcs
asciilifeform: aka south africa
mircea_popescu: south africa HAS a government.
mircea_popescu: of usg's hand picking, no less.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: so no, south africa is not a possible result.
decimation: yeah, government of & by the orcs
asciilifeform: usa will also have a government.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that sec will oversee mpex.
asciilifeform: or rather, pieces of usa
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: they can draw mpex on a piece of paper and oversee it till they fall over.
decimation: actually I think the mega-trend here is that the us is sorting itself out geographically
decimation: men who don't want to put up with baltimore's shit, stop
decimation: can move to portland or whereever
mircea_popescu: orly. lol.
decimation: sure, that's what gives the us its black and white checkerboard demographic map
mircea_popescu: men who don't like the earthquake in kyoto can go have the earthquake in osaka.
mircea_popescu: provided they move fast enough.
decimation: earthquakes are unpredictable
decimation: it's not like noone could have predicted racial freak-out in baltimore
asciilifeform: orc flare-ups are similarly unpredictable (other than, possibly, to instigators)
mircea_popescu: decimation why didn't you predict it then!
asciilifeform: in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O
decimation: well, I did leave the md/dc area
BingoBoingo: A contemporary USian problem is that for every DEA Carl Mark Force IV is a freelance Carl Mark Force IV who also robs Drug dealers bu while doing so is younger, darker, and more effective
decimation: not many orc flare-ups in dubuque iowa, or bismark nd
mircea_popescu: a, you did ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Purely chance
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo one, or ten.
decimation: BingoBoingo: Town&Country also under threat?
BingoBoingo: ;;google shadynavy north county cowboys
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Not yet, Ferguson shit didn't even make it to clayton, but did annoy StL city proper
decimation: even in the wash dc area, people pay really good money to be physically separated from orcs
asciilifeform: they pay up to 100% of income, yes.
asciilifeform: it mostly works.
asciilifeform: in fact, the baltimore thing etc. is a kind of 'floor demo'
BingoBoingo: I'm just glad stl avoided its inevitable orc vs. high-orc flare up for some time
asciilifeform: 'here is why you were smart not to move to where house exactly like yours costs 1/7th what you paid'
decimation: even though rich jews live less than a few miles from the hell-hole, they might as well be a world away
BingoBoingo: And the Black vs. Bosnia conflict was silenced by the old bosnians
mircea_popescu: you know, this is so bizarre to me.
asciilifeform: this is one reason why the uprisings are permitted (hell, organized) by usg
decimation: (north baltimore is famously highly jewish)
mircea_popescu: my main complaint here in argentina is that well... there's no "orcs" as you call them, in sight.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you people can even live in a 100% pencilneck atmosphere.
asciilifeform: if not this, there'd be pinkertons, machine-gunning at foot level
mircea_popescu: doesn't it get depressing like the fucking sahara ?
asciilifeform: depressing?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: (and we have plenty of orc of whatever kind.)
decimation: most normal folk just avert their eyes and speed through on their commutes
BingoBoingo: Oh, no, it gets entertaining. More so than saturday's boxing screwjob.
mircea_popescu: such idiocy.
asciilifeform for example lives in 90+% south american street
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decimation: northeast dc is now nearly all salvadoran/guatamalan
asciilifeform: what kind of orc does mircea_popescu lack in b-a ?
asciilifeform: the kind that sets fire to grocer because his usg-sponsored lunch skipped a day?
mircea_popescu: The professional gun-armed black criminals were staging home invasions, drug stash-house raids, and stealthy break-ins of high value targets under cover of darkness <
asciilifeform: or the kind that lights parked cars on fire ?
asciilifeform: no robbers in b-a ?
mircea_popescu: no COMPETENT ones.
BingoBoingo seeing baltimore riot tape first thought black mardi gras
asciilifeform: competent robbers go where there is something to steal ?
asciilifeform: what ought they to steal in b-a ? the icecream ?
mircea_popescu: even the fucking italians are more like a hand puppet, hanging around with their retarded blazers
mircea_popescu: nobody popping a cap in their fat ass because a) it's not fat anymore, and b) the guns are all chocolate.
BingoBoingo: !b 2
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asciilifeform: ^ except for that rusty old luger at the flea market, l0l
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you feel if you had to live in a place where nobody used words longer than 4 letters ?
asciilifeform: i sorta live there now.
asciilifeform: my 5+ letters come in over the fiber.
asciilifeform: everywhere else <=4.
mircea_popescu: well, i feel the same way. retards everywhere.
mircea_popescu: if i had a pick of 2-30 men from my youth, i could take over this country in six months. make any random whore of your choosing president.
BingoBoingo: So lol US orcs vs. ents http://forums.bullnettlenews.com/26-wildlife-habitat/47873-help-killing-kudzu-smallish-pines-2.html
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asciilifeform recalls reading tales of daring heists and bloody shootouts from ar '01-03 default years
mircea_popescu: but there aren't 30. nor 20. nor 2. in fact, there hasn't been one in decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reports were exagerated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... there hasn't been one in decades << all dead ?
mircea_popescu: no, all stupid.
mircea_popescu: here's a deep dark secret : the us would produce fine young men too, even white ones, if their IDIOTIC MOTHERS were beaten more often,
mircea_popescu: and the grandmothers kept in the outhouse.
mircea_popescu: argentina, much more than the us, is an old-woman-oriented society.
mircea_popescu: it's disgusting.
asciilifeform: the (not argentinian but pertinent) garcia marquez painted a very frightening picture of this, in his tales
mircea_popescu: it's the case. the jews have it ridiculously bad but not this bad. the arabs have it almost as bad, but not nearly.
mircea_popescu: this country is maybe the casebook study on "what happens if you don't beat the women".
mircea_popescu: yes, the icecream is excellent. meanwhile i'm hatching a major depression.
asciilifeform: perhaps ar could benefit from a steamer full of arabs et al
decimation: this guy could have predicted (baltimore) http://unamusementpark.com/2011/07/blacks-ruin-fourth-of-july-in-baltimore-media-censor-race/
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mircea_popescu: if i cared more i'd try to import ukraina here.
asciilifeform: decimation: is that the bloke who was beaten to death in a za police clink ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Also describes "Taste of Chicago"
decimation: asciilifeform: hadn't heard of that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: import ukraina l0l
asciilifeform: which half
mircea_popescu: i don't care. but the women preferably.
mircea_popescu: This kind of elevation of young men normally only occurs on battlefields or on sports teams—not in sissy, civilized, shop keeping society. The leaders and academics of our sick corrupt society have labored for nearly two centuries to emasculate our young men from the cradle to the grave.
mircea_popescu: I now observe, through what of my primal man’s eye I have been able to salvage from this systematic assault on my humanity, that all it takes is a few urban savages to rip the mask away from the slave mistress that owns us to expose her for the impotent squabbling bitch that she is, and open the door for men to be men once again, as the lie that encases our souls crumbles to dust with every fumbling falsehood that fa
mircea_popescu: lls flat beneath the reality of naked force. The hooting black heathens that have hunted me in the streets of Baltimore for over 30 years might be my enemies, but they at least acknowledge my manhood as they probe for my every weakness, and have struck a resounding blow against the slave mistress society that seeks with its every apparatus to render me weak to the point of meek.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which!
mircea_popescu: check this out, this dude gets shit.
asciilifeform: eh reads like 'mansphere' sop.
asciilifeform: i have (had?) bookmark pit with 1,001 of these.
mircea_popescu: well he's a mfa/boxer coach, whadda ya want.
decimation: yeah, but my point from above: why bother trying to 'save' baltimore? move to bismark?
mircea_popescu: decimation either love or hatred.
mircea_popescu: from experience, hatred is usually more effectual.
BingoBoingo: decimation: The weather
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2341&pr=0 << check it out.
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mircea_popescu: dja folks have ANY IDEA how rare it is for me to be able to read like three paragraphs into something on the web without throwing a fit ?
mircea_popescu: thinking about it you prolly do.
decimation: apparently the lightly braindamaged pugilist from baltimore charms you :)
mircea_popescu: "A facet of the slave girl is her inability to acquire wisdom and enlightenment when not in a post orgasmic state. " << bs.
mircea_popescu: he just doesn't know how to connect.
mircea_popescu: decimation i am charmed.
decimation: BingoBoingo: I think asciilifeform can attest that the weather in maryland is shit
BingoBoingo still pissed over saturday's fight. Mayweather spent the whole time retreating.
decimation: freezing wet winters, hot as balls in summer
asciilifeform: decimation: and the nearer to d.c. swamp, the more so, yes
asciilifeform: if i had to design a climate for penal colony planet, i'd base it on this.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Weather being shit is a universal part of USian living, just varies regionally
decimation: ^ one 'stealth' reason for silicon valley's 'success'
BingoBoingo researching "tropical" places cooler and less humid in peak summer than stl region
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone missed the memo on why california has been attractive since cca 1849
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asciilifeform: the only thing missing in this penal colony are those giant wasps that can sautee a man full of eggs in minutes
asciilifeform: or perhaps even these, we have somewhere.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: California always attractive because mediteranian climate substitute and mountain runoff water
mircea_popescu: yup
decimation: http://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2012/07/deadly-asian-giant-hornet-spotted-in-arlington-heights-not-cicada-killer-wasp/
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asciilifeform: it is attractive, properly speaking, in contrast to -the rest of usa-
mircea_popescu: sort of like a slightly more retarded liguria,
mircea_popescu: but bigger.
asciilifeform has definitely met this wasp
mircea_popescu: (for the record, liguria was never prime european real estate. home to 3rd best venice)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm telling you Illinois has been perfect this year wasp wise so far now that I got my bee posse together
BingoBoingo might be interested in these giant hornets
BingoBoingo: though the carpenter bees seem to handle yellowjackets admirably
mircea_popescu: left the dude a comment. curious if he shows up.
decimation: I thought carpenter bees just drilled holes in various wood pieces
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still puzzled as to how importing female ua would replenish the missing supply of (somehow) necessary orcs
asciilifeform was also under the impression that mircea_popescu already flies in females as necessary for terraforming martian colony
BingoBoingo: decimation: They mostly do. They also love the columbine in the front garden, will love the Hollyhock later in the year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Capenter bees here in the past decade went the miraculous transformation from pest to desirable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why ? << same reason flew in pogotrons - local supplies did not cut it
asciilifeform conjectured.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nono, i mean, why do you not see ua etc.
mircea_popescu: as to fly in, i have better shit to do with my girls than lift argentina from the shithole. maybe if i cared more, or maybe if it pissed me off more. but as it is... whatever.
asciilifeform: because was under the impression that mircea_popescu lacked for desperadoes, good shootouts, etc. in b-a rather than gurlz
mircea_popescu: even the owner of a cleaning company does not order the forest cleanned randomly.
mircea_popescu: girls make excellent desperadoes.
mircea_popescu: boys are usually 2nd rate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might consider sharing his martian tech with rest of planet 3
BingoBoingo: For reference growing up these were primarily and exclusively the wasp genera of concern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_dauber
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asciilifeform: perhaps then girls will also make best os demungers, cosmonauts, etc
asciilifeform: but basic point stands - cleaner does not clean the forest. not unless the badgers, mushrooms, snakes - pay.
asciilifeform: cash on barrelhead.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122307 <<< always bet on black :P☝︎
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asciilifeform bets on red
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I always try to play chess as black, why should I oppress myself by favoring that colour further
decimation: BingoBoingo: what's wrong with mud dauber wasps?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The sting
decimation: generally my experience is that wasps leave you alone if you leave them alone. hornets, not so much
BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been stung by honeybees many times without atypical problems but never been stung by a mud dauber without needing some limited necrosis debrided later
cazalla: asciilifeform, red? communism lingers that bad eh?
cazalla: or was that the joke..
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_hawk#/media/File:Wasp_with_Orange-kneed_tarantula.JPG < supposedly the most painful sting in the us
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asciilifeform: cazalla: was to be a complicated l0l re: 'red' indians
asciilifeform: who will rise again, or the like.
BingoBoingo: wasp/hornet is a hard distinction to make in north America. Most things we'd refer to in NA as hornets look more like European wasps than North American wasps
decimation: if you are wondering the southwest and find a gigantic blue wasp dragging around a freshly-paralyzed tarantula, leave it alone
decimation: ^would put in penal planet
BingoBoingo: <decimation> if you are wondering the southwest and find a gigantic blue wasp dragging around a freshly-paralyzed tarantula, leave it alone << Fuck. No tarantulas here, but that coloration is new this year among some of the assorted wasps I've ignored as variations on the paper wasps. Will have nore concern for
asciilifeform: giant wasps always bring me brain back to an ancient sf tome from childhood, where a couplea blokes submitted to do a prison planet term -in advance-
asciilifeform: (idea was that scarcely anyone survived, and so would-be miscreants were tempted with reduced terms with proviso that if they return, they get to kill somebody)
decimation: asciilifeform: as in they 'gain citizenship' or whatever?
asciilifeform: they get sentenced to time served.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I can't certainly recall and exact match on the body color in those photos, but those wings... I sprayed one with glyphosate clearing a ditch
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is professional gardener now ?!
decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently they do range up to washington state
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not professionally. Last couple years I mowed lawns for cash. This year branching out. Gardens are more paper for less long term commitment.
BingoBoingo: decimation: In southern Illinois
BingoBoingo: This part of Illinois though tends to have sightings of all kinds of animals the USDA supposes could never naturalize here (armadillos, carious reptiles and amphibians)
BingoBoingo: *various
BingoBoingo bets on green
BingoBoingo would also not doubt that some sort of climate shift is happening in north america, but doubts atmospheric carbon as the case when compared to local change in Albedo wrought by soy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gardening surprisingly easy. Mostly you abort the unwanted allowing conditions favorable to the desirables
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: I seriously though wonder how a person could win a competition in a combat sport while retreating as often as Mayweather did
BingoBoingo wonders how one can inspire призывник with such cowardice
cazalla: BingoBoingo, pays well either way
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe? I remember though when boxing payperviews mean ears being bitten and brain damage occuring. Mayweather's style of retreating and punching pacman in the kidneys during midfight hugs was... different and probably deviant
cazalla: BingoBoingo, well they don't get coked up for fights like tyson did for his so this is the resultl
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No, this is a serious decline in American national character.
BingoBoingo: The fucking welterweight champion is known more for "defense" than leaving welts?
cazalla: they were charging $60 AUD for that fight.. almost $50 USD
cazalla: anyway pacman got some good punches in which isn't bad considering he fought against a turtle
BingoBoingo: Here it was $100 US
BingoBoingo: And fucking Justin Beiber was part of Mayweather's posse walking out
cazalla: heh, i saw that
cazalla: just to restate.. http://agar.io/ is the shit.. this is like a better ver of mike_c's WoL, would be fun to place a wager and winner takes all in 5 or 10m rounds
assbot: Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ifj05s )
cazalla: steam ver otw too http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=436491794
assbot: Steam Greenlight :: Agar.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ifj5WO )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> perhaps then girls will also make best os demungers << nah
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> This year branching out. Gardens are more paper for less long term commitment. << basically bingo's become a mexican.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta learn a better language some way
mircea_popescu: but from the plants ?!
mircea_popescu: and re marywether dude, isn't he like 52 ?
BingoBoingo: mayweather is like 40
BingoBoingo: Nah, you learn the language from the dudes who sell the plants
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cazalla: http://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/doing-more-on-diversity.html
assbot: Official Google Blog: Doing more on diversity ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpTtnr )
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mircea_popescu: cazalla somehow that shit manages to be pretty offensive.
mircea_popescu: "Hire diverse Googlers: In the past, our university-focused hiring programs have relied heavily on a relatively small number of schools. But, we know those schools aren't always the most diverse. For example, while 14% of Hispanic college enrollment is at 4-year schools, Hispanics make up just 7% at the 200 most selective schools. In the past two years, we've doubled the number of schools where we recruit, to promote s
mircea_popescu: tudent diversity."
mircea_popescu: fuck you, be good instead. who the fuck cares how "diverse" good is.
cazalla: you'd think they'd want the best man or woman for the job as it relates to their skills
cazalla: reminds me of another article i read yesterday.. some chick will graduate fireman school despite failing because that's who you want to turn up in case of a fire.. someone unable to put it out
cazalla: http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/woman-to-become-ny-firefighter-despite-failing-crucial-fitness-test/
assbot: Woman to become NY firefighter despite failing crucial fitness test | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zLMMw1 )
cazalla: next you'll have firemen in mobility scooters.. BYO fire truck
mircea_popescu: maybe she only goes to fires with no grades.
mats: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/05/lawyers-threaten-researcher-over-key-cloning-bug-in-high-security-lock
assbot: Lawyers threaten researcher over key-cloning bug in high-security lock | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GYBcxf )
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'll fix it
mats: can find these vulns with an ubertooth which is apparently sophisticated lab equipment that the public can't buy nao
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mircea_popescu: the problem with systems that don't have anyone in charge is that this sort of nonsense flourishes.
mircea_popescu: MMA is the place where all of those bodies are landing. It might not be boxing, but boxing is there. And the grappling and kicking coaches want your help. Believe me, comparing notes with a ground fighter in 2013 is far better than arguing with the wannabe martial arts movie stars of the 1970s about their bizarre array of secret animal punches and their ability to levitate out of your way as they stole your life force
mircea_popescu: and used it to cheat gravity.
mircea_popescu: When I was the same age as the MMA athletes you are training all we had was silk-lined fantasy. Now there is a real sweaty reality in a cage near you, and you just might be able to help some hard working young wrestler who actually knows how to make weight, box, if only in spots. Even so, it’s still boxing, and it’s a fact, that most of the hands being taped today are being taped cage-side. You might-as-well wield
mircea_popescu: the scissors.
mircea_popescu: ah this guy.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, boxing is pretty much dead. sorry BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2344&pr=1 <<< ahahaha what the shit
assbot: JL: Emerald Eyes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPAupK )
mircea_popescu: the man got a purple belt in prose.
mircea_popescu: !up btcdrak
btcdrak: thank you. I just found this channel by following some links in the blocksize discussion on reddit.
mircea_popescu: good for you.
btcdrak: I would be super surprised if gavin's proposal gets through. seems like there is a lot of opposition from coredevs thankfully.
mircea_popescu: either way.
mircea_popescu: "Note that every honest person in Baltimore believes these riots were the first of many, and that the media and government—attributing the riots to the death of Freddie Gray—think that throwing some cops under the proverbial city bus will assuage black rage, when in reality, every government initiative that has contributed to the racial hatred in Baltimore is still ongoing. There will be more riots in Baltimore, pe
mircea_popescu: rhaps purely-for-profit raids on retailers based around Halloween, or school events. As with the recent riots the aims will be largely racial purging and plunder, not protest."
mircea_popescu: he even has a testable hypothesis! exciting.
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mircea_popescu: "The Baltimore riots were fueled by cohesive large scale mobs exiting their criminal training ground, where they are prepared for a lifetime of illiteracy and incarceration: Baltimore City Schools. These riots only reached virulent levels during the week. The media claims that the riots calmed down after Friday because of the police indictments, but this was not so. Friday was as hot as any day of the riots other than
mircea_popescu: Monday. The first riots on the Saturday following the death of Freddie Gray were not a fraction of what came on Monday after his funeral. Recall that all parties predicted that the funeral would calm tensions, not considering that Freddie Gray’s death was just an excuse to vent long standing hatreds, and that proper mass riots could not be organized until high school was in session. When another weekend rolled around
mircea_popescu: there was no longer an ability to marshal large ghetto forces, absent their high school breeding grounds. The media coverage was a complete lie and a hoax, the rioters have been excused, and the race-purging strike teams in outlying areas ignored or covered up. During the school year attend such events in Baltimore only on the weekend. If they have a Friday night event, do not go. As this event is in August, I predict
mircea_popescu: there will be minimal problems."
mircea_popescu: fascinating.
mircea_popescu: Finally, if the event is held between the 1st [SSI distribution] and the 16th [last EBT distribution] the ghetto will be flush with government money. Any event held after the 20th will be likely to draw criminal predators, mostly teens ranging away from the nest to fill their mother’s requests, such as, “Baby, get me a new purse—a nice leather one like those white ladies carry.”
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mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2135&pr=0 << prolly guy's best article.
assbot: JL: ‘Is This the Best Time To be Alive?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfKfgk )
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davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121907 <<< the original source doesn't mention crypto at all☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 01:12:02; williamdunne: "France Restricts the Movement of Gold, Cash, & Crypto-Currencies"
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jurov: http://www.grindtv.com/wildlife/donald-trumps-hair-discovered-crawling-in-amazon/#WJH5EcblGeQxQ4jm.01
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jurov: http://pypyjs.org/ python JITed into js my ass
assbot: PyPy.js ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfC0iT )
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-do-we-play-video-games-that-simulate-work one day we will have games that simulate programming...oh wait
assbot: Why Do We Play Video Games That Feel Like Work? | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfDauE )
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mats: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/crude-rallies-again-with-price-of-wti-atop-61-2015-05-06
assbot: Crude tops $62 for first time since December - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbuJ2 )
asciilifeform: 218413.
asciilifeform: 'why do we play games that similate work' << 'we' l0l
asciilifeform: *simulate
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing-components/processors/the-end-of-an-era-as-chinese-company-mulls-plans-for-massive-amd-investment-1284519 << somehow i missed this one
assbot: The end of an era as Chinese company mulls plans for massive AMD investment | TechRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbQ25 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000090.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZcSuZ )
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (Theoretically, covers entire address space of process)
asciilifeform: ^ ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^^^^
asciilifeform: ^ on first sight, very perverse findings which appear to contradict those of ordinary 'valgrind'
asciilifeform: ... or maybe not
asciilifeform: takes some effort to read this correctly.
asciilifeform: 'and the reason i believe they fought me so hard, and is a detail thats kind of hard to get through to reporters, is that the cylinders used an OTP memory, the issues cannot be fixed without a somewhat expensive exchange' -- from the locks article
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asciilifeform: the imbeciles are phucked and their only recourse, as is now traditional, is to fud and lawyering
davout: asciilifeform: am i correct in my understanding of the thermonuke patch that it will try to reverse-sync starting from any arbitrary block it receives?
davout: or does it simply drop any block it receives and that doesn't chain on top of the current best?
asciilifeform: davout: when gets a bastard block, it 1) drops 2) requests, from current sync node, blocks prior to it
asciilifeform: recursive process.
davout: ah ok, so it doesn't reverse-sync per se, but instead tries to get better matches
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: what happens in the 'virginal' 0.5.3 is,
davout: (it doesn't reverse-sync in the sense that it doesn't keep a partial tree it tries to reconnect to the currency known best tree)
asciilifeform: 1) 500 blocks are pulled from sync node on cold boot
asciilifeform: 2) after this, when bastard block comes in, the thing walks the orphanage and finds the start of the chain, and asks for its antecedents.
asciilifeform: we don't have an orphanage any more
asciilifeform: so our antecedent is always the most recent bastard.
asciilifeform: if you can think of an algo which makes more sense than this, please write in
asciilifeform: the current item was the simplest/most-kalashnikov
davout: not sure i get "the thing walks the orphanage and finds the start of the chain"
asciilifeform: davout: GetOrphanRoot
asciilifeform: l0l, 4th google hit is my patch
asciilifeform: (the 'orphanage burner' one)
asciilifeform: as is the 5th
asciilifeform: is this their ip-based diddling
asciilifeform: or does anyone see same
asciilifeform: 3rd is jurov's viewer...
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=GetOrphanRoot
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1 identifier search: GetOrphanRoot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmzKJs )
davout: ah i see
davout: so the original behaviour was to actually reverse-sync
lobbes: or does anyone see same << heh, I see the same
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asciilifeform: http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/8353549/edward-snowden-sculpture-fort-greene-park-brooklyn-new-york << l0ltr0nic
assbot: A renegade sculptor has mounted a bust of Edward Snowden in a Brooklyn park | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmDniB )
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lobbes: 'Parks Department officials were unable to remove the bust initially, but arrived at noon to cover it with a tarpaulin'
davout: danielpbarron: looking at your pogo docs, not sure how to perform step 4.1 u-boot compilation
danielpbarron: you and me both :p
davout: hehe
davout: i've built the new kernel according to asciilifeform's instructions, including the v2 patches
mod6: <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (Theoretically, covers entire address space of process) << great work, asciilifeform. thanks for putting that together :]
davout: from what i understand i need to replace u-boot on the pogo so that it'll load this new kernel over the network by using tftp
davout: perplexed at the u-boot step, how do i actually get to asciilifeform's "(you -did- configure the u-boot to tftp by default, aha?)" ?
danielpbarron: it comes with its own uBoot, which can be configured to load a kernel over the network
mod6: I can't really check from here, but later tonight will give some updates as to how my v0.5.3.1+OrphanageBurner build is running. last I saw, it was using quite a bit of available ram. was >200`000 blocks, and still running, but that was lastnight.
mod6: (and yeah, that's on a deb6 - x86_64 env)
danielpbarron: but it does not come with the tool needed to do this, which is fw_printenv
davout: danielpbarron: oic
davout: so i found this -> http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alx70K )
davout: which is aimed at booting debian/alarm from an sdcard
mod6: oh cool, i guess my pogo will be delivered tomorrow
davout: i assume i can use the steps relevant to u-boot from there to get the correct version on the pogo and resume your instructions when that's done
davout: danielpbarron: but i'm slightly confused at this whole thing, say i manage to flash the new uboot on the pogo, and set the correct variables with the new fw_printenv command that comes with the improved u-boot, and that with the correct settings the pogo will look for a kernel on the network at boot time, what's netcat for?
davout: aah, reading the instructions once again, it starts to make sense
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danielpbarron: yeah netcat is not needed necessarily
danielpbarron: i have a more condensed guide on the b-a wiki
danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/pogo
assbot: pogo [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0CnDy )
davout: danielpbarron: so looks like i managed to get the kernel loaded and starting
danielpbarron: you used the qnology guide to get the uBoot thing working?
davout: danielpbarron: looks like it hangs at "Starting kernel ...", is any output expected afterwards ?
davout: http://dpaste.com/1D0E0EX.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0CAqg )
davout: yes, i got the u-boot working, see the output i get in netcat ^
danielpbarron: netcat stops there, you shouldn't see anything else
davout: ok good
davout: the pogo seems to have a half green half red light
danielpbarron: if you used ascii's thing, then it should have telnet built in
davout: ah i see, i tried SSH'ing into it to no avail
davout: yea, i used ascii's instructions and patches
danielpbarron: he decided that since the thing has no RNG, ssh is a waste
davout: aha, i'm the new pogo
davout: which makes sense
davout: ok that's really cool
davout: so now i guess i just need to build the bitcoind release and put it on the pogo
danielpbarron: you should be able to telnet in as root, password is probably also root or something
davout: telnet without a username got me in as root
danielpbarron: oh i think there is no password actuallly
danielpbarron: yeah, it's as insecure as could be, because telnet shouldn't be enabled on the final product anyway
davout: so now do i compile bitcoind right there? or should i somehow compile it on my local machine?
danielpbarron: local machine for sure
danielpbarron: it'll take forever on the pogo i think
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davout: ok, where would i find directions to compile it properly for the pogo?
danielpbarron: i was able to compile bitcoind for a pogo from my gentoo laptop using crossdev
davout: did you document it?
danielpbarron: but that was a some time ago
danielpbarron: that one is running on ArchLinux
danielpbarron: i don't have good documentation for that, no
davout: and since you mention the final product, what would the target procedure look like to configure a new pogo?
danielpbarron: i would guess something like flashing the memory with a ramdisk image that has all the kernel userland and bitcoind already in there
danielpbarron: pre-configured to look for a sata drive to format and mount as the datadir for bitcoind
davout: but from my understanding a stock pogo won't let you simply boot from an arbitrary usb stick
danielpbarron: it'll boot from the eeprom
danielpbarron: (it can also boot from sata drive)
davout: like out of the box?
danielpbarron: and you can boot from usb, it just has to be the USB2 port on the top of the unit
danielpbarron: i'm not sure if it can boot from sata out of the box; it's uBoot should be able to do it, but i don't know if it would need to be reconfigured
davout: ah, so ultimately the procedure would be "acquire pogo, burn image on USB stick, insert SATA drive, insert flashed USB stick, power unit on" right?
danielpbarron: not even
danielpbarron: although that might also be handy for making lots in one pass
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danielpbarron: but you should be able to ssh into a new unit, download the image and flash it
davout: i guess it really depends on whether we want to ship pre-configured units, or make an easy procedure available
danielpbarron: defo the latter
danielpbarron: maybe also the former
davout: i see
danielpbarron: the abiltity to audit the thing is one of the most important features
davout: ok, i'm off for now, i'll get on cross-compiling bitcoind and getting it running on the pogo later
davout: agreed
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122390 << 'times have changed' ?? nah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSFQrPzSAnE☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 05:09:26; BingoBoingo: The fucking welterweight champion is known more for "defense" than leaving welts?
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pete_dushenski: http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/07/usa-shocks-intel-ban-on-china-xeon-supercomputers/
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pete_dushenski: williamdunne: kakobrekla any guess why assbot isn't picking up new post titles off of scoopbot_revived ??
ben_vulpes: davout: there are buildroot scripts for the cross-compile on the mailing list
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1121956 << moar hearnesque willful ignorance.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 01:33:41; thestringpuller: http://gavinandresen.ninja/does-more-transactions-necessarily-mean-more-centralized << pete_dushenski gaving must have not seen your comments on your blog from yester-month
pete_dushenski: "i've never heard of #b-a. mp who ?"
pete_dushenski: unkosher ostriches with their heads in the sand, these guys.
danielpbarron: !up xcpep_
ben_vulpes: | | | | ->08.68% (67,108,864B) 0x470070: ThreadGetMyExternalIP(void*) (net.cpp:379) << that this is a thing cracks me up
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what does "in lockstep" mean when you talk about running bitcoind and any potential replacements "in lockstep"?
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes like processors on spacecraft
mircea_popescu: throw an exception if they disagree
mircea_popescu: cheap and effectual testing of critical stuff like this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they're at 3s. longsoon that is. ah, best laid out plans...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122488 << it does. also an explicit, painfully explicit, very very explicit, specific, nothing vague at all, nothing overlooked, specific, very explicit discussion of it would make an excellent blogpost.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 14:10:21; asciilifeform: takes some effort to read this correctly.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122491<< they are not fucked. we were always at war with eurasia. this is what they meant to do!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 14:19:10; asciilifeform: the imbeciles are phucked and their only recourse, as is now traditional, is to fud and lawyering
mircea_popescu: every fucktarded girl i ever met growing up, the sort that never got anywhere either in the bed or in the forum, their entire lives, and ended up settling down with an alcoholic bum, each and every one had, without exception, the same answer to any instance where they had fucked up :
mircea_popescu: "o no, that's what i had really meant to do!11"
mircea_popescu: it's like a std, basically, they get it around puberty through apparent spontaneous generation.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122508 << yes. because for all the pretense of "development" and "progress" and "new versions" and of course "blockchain technologees" of the #bitcoin-dev muppet orphanage, THEY.HAVE.NOT.ACTUALLY.DONE.ANYTHING.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 14:27:11; asciilifeform: l0l, 4th google hit is my patch
mircea_popescu: three years later, they have done NOTHING. nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: polished all the fucking knobs and hanged scented car trees and chinatown windchimes from various nubbins is all.
mircea_popescu: !up bluematt
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust BlueMatt
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mircea_popescu: !rate BlueMatt 1 one of the few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful.
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mircea_popescu: !rate BlueMatt 1 one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.BlueMatt.1:f5459e4032ae9be0bfb633c5038ce45be7bd62f946b5b8386a22681dca94f99e
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mircea_popescu: BlueMatt ftr, you can self voice, it's explained here : http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qn5D4s )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122569 << omfg have some mercy. you don't wanna do THAT.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 15:59:02; davout: so now do i compile bitcoind right there? or should i somehow compile it on my local machine?
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: xplicit, painfully explicit, very very explicit, specific... << imho it needs another couplea runs. i have a strong sense that something is missed
mircea_popescu: at your leisure.
ascii_field: mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122532 << are you running the original burner? or the thermonuke ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 15:16:19; mod6: I can't really check from here, but later tonight will give some updates as to how my v0.5.3.1+OrphanageBurner build is running. last I saw, it was using quite a bit of available ram. was >200`000 blocks, and still running, but that was lastnight.
mircea_popescu: and after, of course, the phuctor is started on processing gpg signs
mircea_popescu: is it ?
ascii_field: nein
mircea_popescu: man...
ascii_field currently mining some uranium
mircea_popescu: stop fucking around with valgrind and whatnot omg.
ascii_field: presently wishing to entice -other folks- to fuck around with it
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you what you're enticing. you're enticing me to can the project.
mircea_popescu: either process the queue or garbage collector gets it, tis that simple.
ascii_field: why mircea_popescu so impatient.
mircea_popescu: because god damned it there's a server sitting there.
mircea_popescu: and i had the thing sitting on your own aws or w/e specifically so you get whatever out of your system before i moive it on real metal, so you don't waste its cycles.
mircea_popescu: apparently a year wasn't enough, which means phuctor's going to hang out with the advertising site we had in short order.
ben_vulpes: don't just let the capital equipment depreciate, now...
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: want to volunteer ?
ascii_field: sks is retarded, so i gotta write a slicer that parses the gpg blobs and reassociates the email/selfsig/pubkey fragments into usable key packets
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: where does one get one of these blobs?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current
assbot: Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qn977b )
ascii_field: for instance.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you think valgrinding bitcoind is sexier than fixing phuctor or something, but a) it is not, and moreover b) doing it while the other waits is actually negative, it's not even zero. moreover c) this nonsense is exactly how the power rangers got to be power rangers.
ascii_field: not sexier, but had to be set going while i remembered wtf was going to do (was operating from notes scribbled during c3)
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
ascii_field: at any rate, we oughta be cooking with gas before i turn in for bed tonight.
mircea_popescu: that'd be splendid.
ben_vulpes: blech
mircea_popescu: i suppose "make a sane fucking export model" will be part of the ba sks server job.
ascii_field: for the record, i'd rather wash my car than run (esp. read the output of) the valgrind. but who is going to do it if i didn't, l0l
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, how's that thing going mats ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there's an order in all things!!
ascii_field: aha.
nubbins`: hi
mircea_popescu: hi nubs
nubbins`: what's the word?
mircea_popescu: logs!
nubbins`: ;/
nubbins`: stan, one of these days i'll read up on valgrind and pick sense outta your last couple ML posts
mircea_popescu: "shut up and copy the day's log in longhand" will be the new standard punishment
nubbins`: i'm still waiting on someone to do up daily summaries
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't think this is actually a possible task.
ascii_field: nubbins`: everyone with the 'one of these days.' you're gonna make mircea_popescu's head explode.
nubbins`: wunna deez days
mircea_popescu: all the people who would have the intellectual capacity to do that worth a shit, we have better stuff to do with.
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: so... this will only happen once we end up with a million kids we have to kill 100k off somehow,
mircea_popescu: and that's how it's gonna be.
nubbins`: oh hey alf, the troll moved out
nubbins`: you'll be thrilled to hear
ascii_field: just now ?
mircea_popescu: no more chef cooking for you eh
nubbins`: couple days ago
ascii_field: left on own feet, or had to be physically ejected ?
nubbins`: ascii_field i gave him walking papers, he acquiesced
nubbins`: he threw all his bedding in the trash o.O
nubbins`: i guess his new accomodations don't provide for sleep
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122595 << iirc he wants to supply customers with units. which isn't such a bad plan in any sense. tho a different thing than what we were originally doing. but no reason they can't tandem.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 16:05:45; danielpbarron: maybe also the former
nubbins`: anyway, done deal. now his old bedroom is a gloriously sun-lit paper printing studio.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/aQJWK8H
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0No7F )
mircea_popescu: check it out! looks just like a print shop
nubbins`: those hanging pages are from a 1000-business-card job that i just finished up
nubbins`: a thousand cards is a lot of cutting ;/
nubbins`: o and the telco gave us a new phone number. SEX-4-ART.
nubbins`: no joke
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122612 << it's actually a fine entry point to explain to anyone why exactly tcp/ip is so broken. because this IS NOT a trivial task. the price for ipv4 and it's undocumented, buggy, slow and haphazardously ad-hoc nat-routing model is that you can't find out by inspecting yourself. the half-assed, quarter-baked lazy slothful and aol-windowesque implementation means that yo☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 16:29:14; ben_vulpes: | | | | ->08.68% (67,108,864B) 0x470070: ThreadGetMyExternalIP(void*) (net.cpp:379) << that this is a thing cracks me up
mircea_popescu: u can't simply dig hiostname, as plenty of machines don't have one. so whatcha gonna do ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: and this is also a fine entry point for explaining to management noobs the meta point of why exactly a theoretical approach doesn't ever work. yes, you could read the tcp/ip spec and look for holes. those are the holes in the tcp/ip spec, not the holes in tcp/ip.
mircea_popescu: it's horrible not so much for what it wants to be on paper,
mircea_popescu: but for what its aspirations cause on the ground.
ascii_field: and then the holes in the implementations...
ascii_field: and the emergent crud from interplay of layers, etc
nubbins`: wait now, who's hanging wind chimes from my what?
mircea_popescu: so ima link this into the cfo/accountant discussion with Pierre_Rochard from yest.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` apparently the word is out. you and your bizarre kink.
nubbins`: matter of time, i guess
nubbins`: incidentally i used to keep a blog on this fetlife-esque website years and years ago
mircea_popescu: any good ?
nubbins`: memories have been coming back
nubbins`: yeah. lotta skin.
nubbins`: privacy on actual lockdown
mircea_popescu: (btw... fetlife scraping still ongoing. they "fixed" so many things meanwhile...)
nubbins`: saw!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know there's nothing shameful about being a slut.
nubbins` nods sagely
nubbins`: no need to tell me
nubbins`: this site, iam.bmezine.com (still alive in a frankenstein-esque parody of its former self), was actually way ahead of its time
nubbins`: you could set your profile as public or private
nubbins`: then later they added a "tracker" feature that, when enabled, would give you a list of the usernames that have visited your page
mircea_popescu: the way bmezine worked is that a large group of brown shit (random idiots mostly looking into an intersting path to killing themselves, a service boxing did for most of the 1900s, up to about the 90s) got some yellow shit interspersed. these are people who they themselves saw a little further than most.
nubbins`: THEN they let you block people who used trackers on their own pages, etc etc
mircea_popescu: to their reminescence, bmezine, ie, what they saw there then, was way ahead of its time. so would have anything else been, wherever they happened to look.
mircea_popescu: and the rest are dead.
nubbins`: whole thing was written in "powerbasic" which had the unfortunate side effect of all the URLs ending in .exe
nubbins`: like /showprofile.exe?nubbins etc
mircea_popescu: heh. powerball is a language now ? no wonder there's so many coders out there.
nubbins`: as you'd imagine, iam.bmezine.com created an insular environment that convinced a lotta fucked up people that the fucked up things they wanted to do to themselves were acceptable
mircea_popescu: obviously.
nubbins`: the better to cry discrimination, &c
nubbins`: anyway, sordid tale. large chunk of my youth. met a lotta friends and an almost-wife, lost not quite a pound of flesh but close enough to it
nubbins`: founder ended up getting the site stolen from him by an ex, it went to shit, etc
nubbins`: oh, there was this other feature.
nubbins`: you could set your account so that users who hadn't made a blog post in __ months/weeks couldn't view your page
nubbins`: all of these are just band-aids, obv
nubbins`: but what an impressive array of band-aids they were
nubbins`: and implemented in a timely manner!
nubbins`: hmm. "I've got a weak spot for great branding, your company itself is a brand and it transfers so well into the work you do."
mats: mircea_popescu: in the works, i hope to have deliverables ready by the end of this month. do you want me to rent a server to host the thing?
nubbins`: ^ email from a local
nubbins`: also, this was amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: yesterday, the canadian province of alberta (canada's texas) elected a majority NDP (the leftmost party we've got) government
nubbins`: truly bizarre
mircea_popescu: mats wow impressive.
mircea_popescu: and nah, you're getting one.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> founder ended up getting the site stolen from him by an ex, it went to shit, etc << you know the story of collarme ?
nubbins`: naw
mircea_popescu: ahaha. http://collarme.com/
assbot: Where is Collarme? | Where is Collarme? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qnf5ox )
mircea_popescu: this ex stole just the domain names. ps - if you're into "building an online business" - forget the idiots trying to push "compliance" because hey, they live off the usg dole so gotta pretend like the usg matters to even be able to get up in the morning.
nubbins`: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=5945
assbot: Shannon Larratt Leaves ModBlog/BME | Warren Ellis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qnfibe )
ben_vulpes: bizpartner's glider club is getting scammed with SEO
mircea_popescu: exes are the real threat. they sunk a lot more ~profitable~ businesses than the various usg.agency constructs.
ben_vulpes: someone's making and selling gift certificates on their behalf
ben_vulpes: dudes at the field don't know the diff
mircea_popescu: heh. this is also a lot more common than commonly known.
mircea_popescu: "gift certificates" has been the primary way to move value from business to scammer since the 90s.
mircea_popescu: not credit card fraud. this.
nubbins`: i have maybe $300 in unspent gift cards in this house
mircea_popescu: whether groupon (usg mafia) gets it or ru or cn mafia gets it... still gotten.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, only notable for the ending of the original post, "However this conflict is resolved, I now know that I cannot rely upon my former partner and dearest friend and in the following year may work to build a BDSM dating site that is run effectively, responsibly and for the benefit of its users, not as a personal kingdom."
mircea_popescu: muppets got it exactly fucking backwards.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: BME worked as a personal kingdom
nubbins`: failed as a committee-run thing
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: the us worked as a personal kingdom
mircea_popescu: failed, as a committee run thing.
ben_vulpes: most things do, if under competent kings right?
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to even hear about them otherwise. by the time you hear about amazon, or apple, or /we it's no longer on the table whether bezos is or is not competent.
mircea_popescu: o wow, "He is the writer of the graphic novel RED, adapted into the film starring Bruce Willis and Helen Mirren." << how the fuck did i miss this. you seen it nubbins` ?
nubbins`: mp that's a bio for warren ellis, not shannon larratt
nubbins`: 8)
nubbins`: haven't seen it either way
mircea_popescu: teh mironova chick definitely could do with some manhandling
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: exes were sinking kingdoms and empires since t=-inf
mircea_popescu: yup
nubbins`: https://www.facebook.com/notes/lukas-lukas-zpira/interview-with-shannon-larratt-followed-by-rachel-larratt-the-non-interview/409086949252718
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0Qjx6 )
nubbins`: ^ publicly viewable, no acct reqd
mircea_popescu: but anyway, moral being : forget about putting your time and effort into "compliance". for one thing it's stupid. for the other thing, who the fuck are they ?! and finally it's deliberately made to not be a satisfiable requirement. just there to soak up your time and resources.
mircea_popescu: outright ignore "compliance", spend the time and resources on the harem instead.
mircea_popescu: winning strat.
mircea_popescu: (and no, i am not aware you can be a successful king without a harem. your gender is not particularly relevant, your sexual preferences are not particularly relevant either. but you will have a lot of intimate relationships with a lot of other people, who are comitted to you personally.)
nubbins`: "One of the things I discovered is that if someone else has more money than you and are willing to spend it on lawyers, "right and wrong" are not very important!"
mircea_popescu: doh.
nubbins`: ah, here we go.
mircea_popescu: fetlife bitterly discovered same recently. was kinda fun to watch.
ben_vulpes: guns by any other name kill as well.
nubbins`: "BME was hugely profitable. That said, because I trusted others to manage my finances, I was under the impression that BME was barely breaking even though it really was a license to print money. I was much more interested in BME on a creative level than a business level."
nubbins`: that's the elevator version right there
mircea_popescu: yeah, the funny thing about the human condition, in its fractally-deliberate misdesign, is that the slaves are altogether more likely to be creative than the masters.
ben_vulpes: i wonder to what degree that describes burning man's finances.
ben_vulpes: harem and slave are similar concepts in this model of "leadership"?
mircea_popescu: which is a fine entry point for explaining to the naive why exactly a properly explicit master-slave relationship is the best intimate arrangement available.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes similar but not identical, and the difference is way out of scope here.
ben_vulpes: (harem member i suppose that i mean)
mircea_popescu: (as the above explanation, consider moldbug's very valid discussion of the guy with the ring that could kill. he who is secure in his authority makes excellent leadership. he who is not - horribru)
ascii_field: fnargl!
ascii_field: his bulbous majesty!
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: https://instagram.com/rachellarratt/
assbot: Rachel Larratt (@rachellarratt) • Instagram photos and videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0QQ29 )
mircea_popescu: and to do a meta point here, to go with the meta point above : this entire discussion is a fine point to explain to the managerially challenged why you can't "control the evaporation". where intelligent people lay, nubbins' lateral discussion of "bullshot nobody cares about" sparked stuff people do seem to care about.
mircea_popescu: lotta win in laterality.
nubbins`: "All I need is <username of my dog>, <my motorcycle>, and maybe a little adventure now and then."
nubbins`: suspiciously absent from list of things she needs: her daughter o.O
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is her nose big enough to qualify as a rachel ?
nubbins`: no
mircea_popescu: scam.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah him. and incidentally, this is the secular driver of the collapse in quality of life and everything else seen since the 1700s (it is a horrid collapse once you do inflation-adjustments) : back then leadership was secure, and therefore either good or motivated to improve, ever so marginally.
mircea_popescu: today most models have insecure leadership, and so "corruption", which is NEVER a problem, ends up misrepresented as one.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this was 98% of mr mold's theme
mircea_popescu: it's valid.
ascii_field: aha.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the problem with yarvin was not the broad strokes, but all the empty mcdonalds wrappers he glued to them everywhere.
ascii_field: it is obvious as daylight, to anyone who gives a damn
ascii_field: what he found in the junkyard where he grew up - he glued, yes.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's possible he's just a bodysnatcher victim, rather than outright ill intended.
mircea_popescu: but this distinction without a difference /me can scarcely be interested in.
mircea_popescu: maybe if he had nice tits and i was fucking her. maybe.
ascii_field: famine victim.
ben_vulpes: sounds familiar
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let's play a game. i quote and you guess.
ascii_field: shoot
mircea_popescu: Yes, that's very pretty. I heard a story once. In fact, I've heard a lot of stories in my time. They went along with the sound
mircea_popescu: of a tinny piano playing in the parlor downstairs."Mister, I met a man once when I was a kid," they'd always begin.
ascii_field: twain ?
mircea_popescu: hehe nope.
ascii_field: who then
mircea_popescu: a little known jew named epstein
mircea_popescu: the wachowski brothers of the 40s, julius and phillip
mircea_popescu: (it's from casablanca, bogart says it to the stupid priss w/e her name is)
ascii_field: hm how's this plug in
mircea_popescu: she was a "famine victim" too.
ascii_field: famine victims do the stupidest imaginable shit, like eating dirt and sand, drinking sea water
ascii_field: sometimes - nutritious insects in the dirt
mircea_popescu: not all of them.
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> not all of them << the remaining - starve quietly, with honour ?
mircea_popescu: the remaining never gave a shit in the first place.
ascii_field: wai wat
mircea_popescu: there's a reason nubbins` finds the mentally insane so fascinating. that reason is that he has the deep intuition that the only people worth the mention are the ones that don't actually care.
ascii_field: paging herr limonov!
ascii_field: 'nuts are the only sane folks' - oldest meme in the book - not wrong, really, either
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if it's not obvious, the tinny piano in the parlor downstairs explicitly says the woman's a whore.
ascii_field: well yes
mircea_popescu: she never actually confronts this, which is why To Have and Have Not is a much better movie than casablanca.
mircea_popescu: it's also why it had to be made (it's quite obviously a remake of casablanca, without the "girl next door" slime befouling it). that point has to be addressed.
nubbins`: so i have five bottles of neutral-pH bookbinding glue
mircea_popescu: party ?
nubbins`: cracked the seal on one today -- solid mass of rubberish white inside
nubbins`: crack the seals on the other four -- same thing.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/BwIOrA2
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0TdSB )
nubbins`: so i call the supplier
nubbins`: "yeah, we don't have any more in stock, and we're not expecting any more... we can give you a refund on thursday"
mod6: ascii_field: I'm running with this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150504/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke_2d219fdd1a0da960be38797566e9c0820df11ce6.patch
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P0Tnti )
nubbins`: and that was the moment i said to myself "fuck currys, i'm ordering from talas from now on"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mod6: aha i asked because you specified 'orphanage burner' - which was the 1st try of this
mod6: OH
mod6: my bad.
mod6: didn't mean to confuse them.
ascii_field: very different animals.
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ascii_field: the thermonuker is (very tentatively) a candidate for merge.
ascii_field: imho
mircea_popescu: should really see what itproduces as a blockchain first. at a bare minimum
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which is why i took the time to set it going.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: take a few min. to read the patch, if you have not. the behaviour should be logically equivalent to virginal 0.5.3 with an orphanage of zero
ascii_field: (or a freshly crashed and coldbooted one)
mircea_popescu: i have.
mircea_popescu: and i agree.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
ascii_field wishes to hear from other folks who have.
mod6: and as far as valgrind, I'll do some stuff with it as I get through these other things.
mod6: im through stage 1 of the gentoo stuff; but now need to document and get that published hopefully by the start of next week. then need to get it setup for cross-compiling.
mod6: I also want to focus on the testing of your patch ascii_field. If it is to be merged, we must ensure that we do not regress.
ascii_field: iirc we don't even have a uclibc build going.
ascii_field: victory is far, very far.
mod6: what needs to be done there?
ascii_field does not yet know
mod6: ah, ok.
ascii_field has all 256 shiva hands full
mod6: :]
mod6: ahh, so this is for embedded systems -- to replace a bulky/asinine glibc?
ascii_field: aha.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123119 @ 0.00022582 = 27.8027 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-four-points-of-this-morning-in-color-any-questions/ :D
assbot: The four points of this morning, in color. Any questions ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1c6FO9F )
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> iirc we don't even have a uclibc build going. <<< i was neck-deep in this before i got sidetracked by life
nubbins`: at some point i'll get back into it
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122689 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 17:14:07; ascii_field: nubbins`: everyone with the 'one of these days.' you're gonna make mircea_popescu's head explode.
mircea_popescu: !up dgenr8
mircea_popescu: !up dgenr8
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122762 << scoopy counts as logs too y'know. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122543 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 17:35:05; nubbins`: yesterday, the canadian province of alberta (canada's texas) elected a majority NDP (the leftmost party we've got) government
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 15:52:39; scoopbot_revived: News! A not-so-new era begins in Alberta politics. URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/06/a-not-so-new-era-begins-in-alberta-politics/
nubbins`: haw
pete_dushenski: also, article updated with... yet another personal connection to ndp.
pete_dushenski: i wouldn't say i'm ashamed, but my goodness does socialism run deep in my veins.
mircea_popescu: kinda what being a jew is.
pete_dushenski: the lulz then ? this is on the ukrainian orthodox side.
pete_dushenski: i'm getting hit both ways.
pete_dushenski: no way out !
mircea_popescu: basically, jews came up with the first social security system. this, cca 2000 ad.
mircea_popescu: bc*
mircea_popescu: christians then imported it
pete_dushenski: sure, taking the sabbath
mircea_popescu: nah, not just that. having kids eat at different houses each day so they could stay in school ?
mircea_popescu: have debts periodically reset ?
mircea_popescu: etc.
pete_dushenski: ah yes, jubilee
mircea_popescu: (note incidentally that the ancient superset of family life - each kid eats with his mother - is harem life - each kid eats with all the mothers)
pete_dushenski: what's the story on the kids eating around ? first i've heard of it.
mircea_popescu: this is how the jews thought best to prepare elites.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what do you think yeshiva was originally ?
mircea_popescu: this arrangement.
pete_dushenski: so seven different households, weekly rotation ?
mircea_popescu: more like 30 or w/e
mircea_popescu: that's how student = vagabond even became a hting.
pete_dushenski: aha. and this yeshivic arrangement is part of social security as well ?
mircea_popescu: well isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: "govt" gives you a meal ticket.
mircea_popescu: the boys aren't expected to SEDUCE those married women and OVERPOWER their husbands, are they ?
pete_dushenski: aha or "community" feeds
pete_dushenski: surely not.
pete_dushenski: but if they do, a man is he !
mircea_popescu: hardly. more like an inhuman force of nature that has the potential to be massively disruptive and interfacing him to the village may well cost more than it's worth.
pete_dushenski: so a rotating set of meals as a test, a benchmark, to ensure cohesion and the integrity of the social fabric.
mircea_popescu: no, just, to make taxation bearable and spending of public funds effectual.
pete_dushenski: and if boy is not worth it ? well what of him ?
mircea_popescu: this is how boy becomes the castrated sort of cvasi-intellectual jewish world always produced. the women love the style because it flatters their inferiority complex, the men tolerate it because they don't like fighting (or think they don't, because they grew up the same way)
pete_dushenski: and what of the boys who don't stay or won't be castrated ? the ones who seduce and overpower ?
mircea_popescu: like... who ?
mircea_popescu: im sure they have excellent personal histories. but, much like in the case of the messiah you hadn't heard of, the "culture" or w/e it is fails to meaningfully represent them.
mircea_popescu: (this is ITS failure, try it as it might to misrepresent it as theirs)
pete_dushenski: so spinoza, einstein, maimonides, freud, bohr aren't meaningfully represented ?
kakobrekla: http://www.iflscience.org/japan-engineers-design-robotic-bear-to-aid-in-assisted-suicide/
assbot: Japan Engineers Design Robotic Bear to aid in Assisted Suicide - IFLScience ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6hdz7 )
mircea_popescu: o.O
kakobrekla: >SeppuKuma also offers 23 very different methods one can choose to end their life, including Everlasting Sleep (lethal injection), Pillow Kisses (suffocation), Peaceful Breath (helium asphyxia) and Sleepy time Hug which is where the robotic bear strangles its partner until their pulse stops for 15 minutes.
kakobrekla: hard call
mircea_popescu: wow.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski who the hell's any of these dudes overpower ?
mircea_popescu: take einstein. he died lieing about his gfs. didja get that bit in the log ?
pete_dushenski: hm yes.
mircea_popescu: what overpower is this /
nubbins`: pillow kisses
nubbins`: nb
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu we might need to go back to the maccabees for a proper example.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no fucking to death, amazingly enough
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: "in this method, a pillow softly kisses you as your body thrashes wildly until brain death occurs"
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Mercedes-snowed-over-May-6-2015-e1430941436595.jpg << ndp wins. snow day immediately thereafter. god cackles.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrzwfX )
nubbins`: hmm, i ordered that glue in february. maybe it froze during transit.
jurov: you collectively forgot to thank Him He did not make you women
mircea_popescu: i think i'd have had a ball as a woman.
trinque: nubbins`: ndp's the one shouting about taxing the rich more?
pete_dushenski: trinque yup.
nubbins`: that'd be them
trinque: that'll work; good for them
nubbins`: ehhhh
nubbins`: i don't think it will
nubbins`: but i guess we'll see
pete_dushenski: ndp = boost corporate taxes from 10 to 12%, increase min. wage to $15/hr, 12% tax rate on income between $125,000 to $150,000; 13% on income between $150,000 to $200,000; 14% between $200,000 and $300,000 and 15% over $300,000, all up from 10% flat provincial tax
pete_dushenski: federal is still stepped, alberta WAS the only province with flat income tax.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works. when you're out of money, you find someone who has some and either steal or beg for it.
nubbins`: meanwhile here in twodogland, HST just went up 2%
pete_dushenski: nubbins` gross.
nubbins`: we found some oil and it went to our heads
nubbins`: and danny millions sold us yet another boondoggle in the form of muskrat falls
nubbins`: onward through the fog!
pete_dushenski: jurov at least the new premier is happy to be a woman.
trinque: mircea_popescu: rich people have literally infinite money
trinque: and after all they're just sitting on it
mircea_popescu: for the record, laratt as glider gets pretty thoroughly routed on http://www.metafilter.com/49480/I-Pledge-Allegiance-to-the-Confederate-States#1222181 and subsequent
assbot: I Pledge Allegiance to the Confederate States... | MetaFilter ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6iPZG )
mircea_popescu: i should hope the man's mental processes weren't as disordered in all fields as he displays here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu zentastic.com, see for yourself
nubbins`: (tldr: mostly, yup.)
scoopbot_revived: News! The four points of this morning, in color. Any questions ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-four-points-of-this-morning-in-color-any-questions/
mircea_popescu: lol wb scoopbot_revived . apparently it does catchup work now, which is great.
pete_dushenski: scoopy still doesn't talk to assbot...
pete_dushenski: for titles.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what do you mean ?
nubbins`: i had no idea how many github repositories are stuffed with copyrighted fonts
nubbins`: o.O
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu upon review of scoopbot_revived's exquisite design, which includes the titles, nothing !
mircea_popescu: "Sure, we can all agree that the assumptions made about the nature of blacks at the time was wrong, but that doesn't give us the right to condemn slave owners who didn't know any better. We don't condemn cave people for eating uncooked meat just because they hadn't discovered fire yet, do we?"
mircea_popescu: ahaha epic.
trinque: nubbins`: that's the accepted way to find fonts among designers these days
trinque: ext:ttf site:github.com derpy font
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i just had a very bloody steak. must be because i've not yet discovered how to make beef unedible.
trinque: teh googles
nubbins`: otf baby!
nubbins`: ttf is vulgar
trinque is not a designer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 204668 @ 0.00022041 = 45.1109 BTC [-] {2}
jurov recently embarked on a journey to obtain a "Garamond" which was supposed to be publicly licensed and available
jurov: nope. had to manually patch "GaramondNo8" ttf files
nubbins`: garamond is nice.
nubbins` uses adobe version ;/
jurov: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434262 gory details
assbot: Bug 434262 – media-fonts/urwvn-fonts - wrong license due to vn garamond ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6k7Up )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122989 << l0l - how about as an elephant? eagle ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 19:47:33; mircea_popescu: i think i'd have had a ball as a woman.
ascii_field: what algo one even uses to answer this hypothetical.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: I'D HAVE HAD A BALL AS AN EAGLE
nubbins`: this is prob not untrue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92400 @ 0.00022024 = 20.3502 BTC [-]
jurov: guess imma open another bugreport. i tried what's there in the urwvn-fonts versio
jurov: package.. and it's damn ugly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174600 @ 0.00021938 = 38.3037 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144306 @ 0.00022384 = 32.3015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00022384 = 18.3773 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up schmidty
trinque: re: font thread, anyone have a monospaced font with decent word shape?
trinque: I'm using terminus atm with the letter spacing cranked down a bit, works ok
fluffypony: http://www.globalpost.com/article/6537732/2015/05/04/moldova-protest-stolen-1-billion
assbot: Someone stole $1 billion from Moldova. That's an eighth of its GDP | GlobalPost ... ( http://bit.ly/1byCSCg )
fluffypony: lol
trinque: ???Our country is a poor and agrarian country,??? he told GlobalPost on Monday. ???But it???s home to decent people who want their country to flourish, to be closer to European standards, and for it to find its economic niche alongside the European Union.??? << lol europe pls halp
danielpbarron: !up schmidty
trinque: is this the only political issue in the region, whether to be eaten by the EU or Russia?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-coruptia-nu-va-putea-fi-niciodata-eliminata/ << any interest in translating this for the non-romanian-speakers like me ?
assbot: De ce coruptia nu va putea fi niciodata eliminata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDjMY )
pete_dushenski: if not, i'd be willing to take a hack at it.
trinque: and what I wonder is whether to expect a war over the partitioning of eastern europe, or whether the basic agreement on who gets what has already been made
trinque: I could easily see the latter
pete_dushenski: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/150506013759601.html << for poor bingoboingo.
assbot: Pacquiao sued by fans for concealing injury - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDqYK )
danielpbarron: !up schmidty
pete_dushenski: trinque deal already made between germany and russia ? you think ?
danielpbarron: schmidty, how did you find this place?
trinque: pete_dushenski: dunno what I think, asking the question though. I'm not well informed on eastern european politics.
trinque: my inclination is to believe all these bastards running the largest socialist states talk to each other
schmidty: saw a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and i am falling down a rabbit hole now
jurov: there were lots of such deals, most recent: http://www.globalpost.com/article/6537732/2015/05/04/moldova-protest-stolen-1-billion
assbot: Someone stole $1 billion from Moldova. That's an eighth of its GDP | GlobalPost ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDHeq )
jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
assbot: Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1byDHLh )
jurov: sry i meant this
jurov: but russia very resents and already violated it by annexing crimea
jurov: except they did not violate it, but these kiev nazis
jurov: etc.etc.
trinque: that seems to be the issue looking from far outside
trinque: after the USSR collapse, all these fragments of the USSR military left outside the border of russia
trinque: and russians that migrated outside russia
trinque: so the cynic in me says the whole nato/russia game is merely ironing out the details of the new russian borders, considering the above
ascii_field: trinque: in all cases but ua, accurate. the bulk of ua, on the other hand, was created by hruschev with a pencil
ascii_field: the russians - did not move.
ascii_field: map - moved.
jurov: and tatars were moved, too
trinque: ascii_field: ah right, land was gifted to "ukraine"
ascii_field: when demented premier moves the map - ok. when usg moves the map (independence 'referendum') - also ok. when ru moves - somehow not.
pete_dushenski: to the enemy, your power is never 'ok'
pete_dushenski: 'power isn't how the world works!'
pete_dushenski: it works my going on between two ferns with zach g.
ascii_field: stalin was a pathologically forgiving fella.
pete_dushenski: and holding seflie sticks.
ascii_field: all the folks who helped the germans do their thing - not one in ten thousand answered with his skin.
ascii_field: and now fellate usg.
pete_dushenski: hm. stalin painted as being too forgiving. that's a new one.
ascii_field: very forgiving. had temp. moratorium on death penalty after ww2, even.
ascii_field: (minus nuremberg folks & vlasov's army)
pete_dushenski: who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ?
trinque: ascii_field: does make all of it sound like russia's trying to maintain form, while nato's trying thwart this as it can
trinque: *trying to
jurov: alf some time ago explained russia needs buffer zone between itself and eu/nato. and that by any costs.
ascii_field: jurov: more basic than this - needs to not have u.s. nukes across the street (ua, pl, etc)
ascii_field: just as usa did not like them in cuba
ascii_field: how much would usa like ru tank corps 'training mission' in mexican border weekly ?
jurov: yes, only chineses allowed
jurov: and pakistani
jurov: and iran eventually
ascii_field: last time cn had major shenanigans on ru border, there was a mini-war
ascii_field: (damansk)
jurov: ascii_field: they do have stuff in nikaragua
ascii_field: ru?
jurov: yes
ascii_field: even in cuba, until late '90s, they had
ascii_field: then went broke
jurov: and why are defensive radar/anti-missile systems not ok then?
jurov: in central eu
ascii_field: ask usa why they are not ok in cuba
trinque: doesn't seem to be a question of "ok"
trinque: more like one of those ratcheting ties for a truck load
jurov: ru ever tried to ship defensive systems to cuba?
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: thing is, 'defensive' is a deceptive word here
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Athletes compete injured all the time.
ascii_field: a machine that lets you detect other fella's rockets 5sec earlier, is really as much a lethal weapon as a nuke per se
trinque: ascii_field: sure, and an anti-missile missile launcher can probably fire the other kind too, right?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo for sure. no such thing as perfect health for athletes.
trinque: "don't worry, this is only an anti-gunman gun"
trinque: oh good.
BingoBoingo: Now denying the ketorolac shot, far bigger issue
ascii_field: trinque: basic idea is that anything that potentially tips balance of thermonukefest in your favour, is an act of aggression from the other fella's pov
ascii_field: and that this is perfectly pedestrian fact, regardless of whether you like usg or putin or kim jong un or hitler
trinque: of course
trinque: also stands to reason that I can lie and say my nuke installations are all merely anti-ICBM installations
jurov: ascii_field: you know what is the only possible response to such doctrine?
jurov: trying to bleed ru out, again
ascii_field: jurov: sure
ascii_field: what other could there be.
BingoBoingo: ;;google Nike Hercules
gribble: Ed's Nike Missile Web Site: <http://ed-thelen.org/>; MIM-14 Nike Hercules - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-14_Nike_Hercules>; Project Nike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Nike>
BingoBoingo: ^ trinque Nike for anti-Bomber duty
trinque: we're an odd species
BingoBoingo: *Nuke
trinque: imagine another one came along and saw us all with nukes pointed everywhere, and it wanted the planet
ascii_field: eltsin died, ru spat out the usg cock, and is to bleed for this, yes
trinque: just fake a few nuke radar signatures and boom, planet fumigated
trinque: from an external threat perspective we're as weak as could be
trinque: let rama zip through the solar system once and then ask me how much I give a shit what the border of transnistria is
ascii_field: very easy to not give a fuck about a border that isn't through your house.
jurov: this is not only your house
ascii_field: aha it's also hitler's.
ascii_field: 'learn to share,' he will say.
jurov: i see everyone who is not you is hitler
ascii_field: obamitler
ascii_field: (next year - clitler!)
trinque: heh we could've had mitler
trinque is going to need to move back to TX during clitler; they'll be going apeshit over it
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122855 <<< sisters now☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 18:02:08; mircea_popescu: the wachowski brothers of the 40s, julius and phillip
jurov: https://dennikn.sk/124574/shooty-stalin-a-hitler/?ref=mpm heh "they like you in your country?"
assbot: Shooty: Stalin a Hitler ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFXD5z )
trinque: BingoBoingo: just read that page; sounds like yeah, can be used for either surface->air or surface->surface
trinque: the propaganda around this shit is thick.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 290850 @ 0.00021998 = 63.9812 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: so rolling from a defensive use to offensive is a matter of loading ammo, not replacing the gun
pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu key blaster is operational
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: why the fuck wouldn't russia think we eventually intend to first-strike them
BingoBoingo: trinque: But, the range of the nike is rather short. St Louis's Nikes couldn't hit Chicago and Vice Versa.
pete_dushenski: 'gbtc'*
cazalla: danielpbarron, did bravetheworld end up naming the people she references in her article?
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu a good fraction of the existing db overlaps with the first coupla-1000 of the dump
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: cazalla, nope not yet
ascii_field: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
assbot: So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )
danielpbarron: although her point #5 makes me suspect it is max keiser or something
pete_dushenski: zynga lays off 364 people, loses a penny a share, stock up 7%. farmville bringing in 1/4 what is was 2 years ago.
cazalla: danielpbarron, i think max and stacy are utter trash
danielpbarron: me too
cazalla: anyway.. i think bravetheworld was warned about the alex jones types
trinque: ascii_field: pretty cool, and thanks for providing that
danielpbarron: warned when? by who?
cazalla: i told her in here like a year ago
BingoBoingo: Ah, the Phuctor is being fed!
pete_dushenski: http://karakullake.blogspot.ca/2015/05/22-countries-great-britain-did-not.html
assbot: Tamerlane's Thoughts: 22 countries Great Britain did not invade ... ( http://bit.ly/1AG1rE2 )
trinque: pete_dushenski: heh, so many of those are "landlocked, why bother"
pete_dushenski: mebbe for the sake of completeness ? if the brits were detail-obsessed nuts, they'd leave no stone unturned.
pete_dushenski: not that they were exactly half-assed.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Keyblaster seems to have paused
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i know
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: adding error detect
BingoBoingo: k
BingoBoingo: Once the number of keys gets up there I'm writing this up as news
danielpbarron: !up schmidty i found this place when i was reading up on scams on the forums. MPOE-PR ftw!
pete_dushenski: https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37443/the-other-investors << moar garza, in case anyone's bored.
assbot: The Other investors | HashTalk - Ideas, Talk, and Hardware - Bitcoin & Scrypt Mining ... ( http://bit.ly/1AG3s2O )
pete_dushenski: "Thanks for ruining my first crypto experience everyone involved! I'll still be around like Jerry Springers audience just to ooh and ahhh and yell punch that bit**from time to time." << some poor commenter.
pete_dushenski: in other news, "Netanyahu's right-wing Likud sealed an agreement with ultranationalist Jewish Home, which advocates annexation of parts of occupied territory Palestinians seek for a state."
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ERROR: certificate common name “keys.mattrude.com” doesn’t match requested host name “keyserver.mattrude.com” << when fetching fresh sks from dulap
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: mega-ftmeade-l0l ?
pete_dushenski: !s spgnux
assbot: 0 results for 'spgnux' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spgnux
pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/06/us-china-software-idUSKBN0NQ2A220150506
assbot: Tea to tech: China's cybersecurity push sparks a 'gold rush'| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPloiw )
pete_dushenski: "Last November, the 49-year old entrepreneur, who has no technology background, strode into a Beijing ballroom to pitch his latest made-in-China product: SPGnux, a Linux-based operating system he says could replace Microsoft Corp's Windows."
pete_dushenski: today spgnux is in 1600 chinese gov offices.
jurov: pity the did not adopt and finish reactos.. would like to see utter panic at m$
jurov: *they
jurov: if there was winxp drop replacement
danielpbarron: !up xcpep-mobile hi who are you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95700 @ 0.00022135 = 21.1832 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up schmidty figure out that GPG yet?
schmidty: danielpbarron yep, getting into wot now
schmidty: !register 1CF87B48F45FECB1C31625988C3B6B1EED7494DF
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 1CF87B48F45FECB1C31625988C3B6B1EED7494DF. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key ED7494DF / "Mike Schmidt <schmidty@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
cazalla: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die (block size limit rubbish)
assbot: Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSVGTr )
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.schmidty.1:80a6966e28d66c718e893cf54cd773075f48c54a4bf99f85a378e7e3a45acdd5
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for schmidty with note: saw a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and is now falling down a rabbit hole
danielpbarron: schmidty, now you can voice yourself with /msg assbot !up
schmidty: danielpbarron appreciated. i have much reading to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126350 @ 0.0002214 = 27.9739 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: "and the file size of each block can be up to 1 megabyte." << heh. everything is a file!
mod6: asciilifeform: here's an update as to where my test of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke is at: http://dpaste.com/3J5K2JB.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1comTIp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202395 @ 0.00022329 = 45.1928 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: for comparison sake, here's what the machine looked like before and just after bitcoind with this patch was executed: http://dpaste.com/094DT78.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSY900 )
mod6: dentist numbed me up so much even my nose is numb.
danielpbarron: !up rgove hello!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 222073 @ 0.00021637 = 48.0499 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up schmidty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heya!
mircea_popescu: seems just keys/keyserver domain change heh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing's churning (largely overlap with previous shots, so werker queue is mostly empty).
mircea_popescu: grand!
asciilifeform: cannot exclude that jokers signed fictional subdomain
mircea_popescu goes to witness this splendor
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: weshould find out in no time tho.
asciilifeform: presently piping from own box
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 5072
asciilifeform: but would go substantially faster if done from dulap local
mircea_popescu: chugging along.
mircea_popescu: so do it from local
asciilifeform: aha, wanted to 'combine the pleasurable with the useful' and get fresh sks dump 1st
asciilifeform: then ran into that oddity.
mircea_popescu: it's noted, and thats good enough
asciilifeform: so we ignore the cert spew ?
mircea_popescu: if indeed "they" signed wrong domain, as opposed to matt rude being derpy, we will know down the road.
mircea_popescu: so yeah.
asciilifeform: the interesting aspect is that i get no such thing from own box.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty interesting. lemme see
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wget --wait 1 -e robots=off -p -m https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/
assbot: Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT0SXs )
mircea_popescu: !gettrust schmidty
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user schmidty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=schmidty | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/schmidty/
mircea_popescu: mike_c "The requested URL /wot/trust/ was not found on this server."
danielpbarron: oh it's because he just joined today, and that site updates every 24 hours
mircea_popescu: mike_c oh nm because it's today, soz.
mircea_popescu: right danielpbarron i forgot :p
schmidty: already causing trouble
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure"
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: on what?
mircea_popescu: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145951/cant-wget-from-github-sslv3-handshake-error << apparently known bug.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on both wget and curl.
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c
asciilifeform: but not what we get on dulap.
mircea_popescu: "Now after a lot of research, it appears that there is an incompatibility between OpenSSL < 0.9.8k and OpenSSL 1.0.1."
mircea_popescu: because why not, ssl lv3 is a standard-as-implementred thing.
asciilifeform loading locally, will push to dulap - but this is retarded and ought to be addressed
asciilifeform: will post manifest of snapshot
mircea_popescu: basically, "The version of OpenSSL on RHEL5 (and its derivatives) doesn't advertise support for TLS at all. It only does SSLv3 and SSLv2.
mircea_popescu: The version of OpenSSL on RHEL6 (and its derivatives) supports TLS all the way up to TLSv1.2. It also does SSLv3, but it wants to negotiate TLS."
asciilifeform: this still does not explain the 'keys' vs 'keyserver' thing
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform: smells verminous.
mircea_popescu: isn't this heap of dung fascinating, that whatever way you turn something oozes ? if only we were phorid flies.
asciilifeform chitters inquisitively
asciilifeform: piping locally at ~10M/s
asciilifeform: what is the profit - other than brute sabotage - in fucking with keyservs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437081 @ 0.00021384 = 93.4654 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: im persuaded it's just random breakage at this point.
asciilifeform: 'keyserver' turned into 'keys' and with different fp by chance ?
asciilifeform: lucky cosmic rays?
mircea_popescu: guy changed it for reasons, forgot to update.
asciilifeform: if he changed it, it ought to be changed for planet
asciilifeform: not dulap and (not mybox)
mircea_popescu: prolly should drop him an email. are you or should i ?
asciilifeform: try the url in browser 1st
asciilifeform: which cert you get
asciilifeform: (anyone else? plz)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: ah, yes, I added a better page for not found users, but not on the trust page. will fix.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would my browser work any better ? it also fails.
asciilifeform: mike_c: be so kind as to load https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current/ and describe the ssl cert you see
assbot: Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT239n )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, works on the boxes here
mike_c: comodo sha256 cert good through 11/15
asciilifeform: fp?
mike_c: KeyID=90 af 6a 3a 94 5a 0b d8 90 ea 12 56 73 df 43 b4 3a 28 da e7
mike_c: thumbprint: 13 d2 41 7e f3 49 a0 5c 4f 75 2a ef e6 10 c5 c4 95 70 2d df
asciilifeform: sha1
mike_c: yes
asciilifeform: what's the sha256 ?
mike_c: 6c be 5c 74 ce 25 a3 83 8c 96 8e fe a9 ec 59 1f 0a 13 8a 7e
mike_c: hm
mike_c: or maybe this? ‎00 b8 d9 04 8e 1d f6 05 6d 9e 3d fa e7 d6 16 4d f9
trinque: F2 D0 E4 FE A2 5B ED F8 DD AC 6E C7 51 30 4A 5C
trinque: B5 C2 59 25 50 BA 33 1C 05 16 B5 A9 B6 92 93 41
trinque: is what I see
trinque: meant to be one line
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: i see what trinque saw
mircea_popescu: mike_c your's too short.
mike_c: yeah..
mircea_popescu: sha256 is as long as tringque's.
mircea_popescu: ima curl out of some random boxes now just ot see
mike_c: i've got a public key
mike_c: that help?