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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that kinda reminds me of the one time i got a buncha romanian blogger's faces and symmetrized them
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/simetrie-online/
ozbot: Simetrie online pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Vexual: That kinda reminds me of winmorph 1.0
ThickAsThieves: i like this stuff
mircea_popescu: http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/sM5v5UDTc40zX8mb_uGHCA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY3MjtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02NzI-/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2013-08-13/797f86ae-ff44-4f66-b0b8-f2d44a7f4b70_Catherine-Ve-ronique.jpg
turbo_ac100_: ah cool oglaf on trilema!
mircea_popescu: freakiest chick ever.
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100_ im a huge fan.
turbo_ac100_: rightfully so!
turbo_ac100_: rightly so... f'in english!
truffles: related story, waking up one day with 10-centimeter tumor where u cant sleep ..
deadweasel: that picture hurts my brain mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: deadweasel she wants to blind date you.
mircea_popescu: you date her, you go blind.
Vexual: http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-face-wtf-morph-548820.gif
deadweasel: she's going to have to.
truffles: cuz u only date 10's?
deadweasel: as of friday, yes.
truffles: haha gl
deadweasel: any of you eastern europeans been treated with Bacteriophage?
mircea_popescu: it's quite rare deadweasel.
Vexual: the 10 got boils?
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truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzdwfwuVWUU well done id say
ozbot: Bacteriophage animation - YouTube
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truffles: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pancreatic-cancer-risk-increases-with-every-2-strips-of-bacon-you-eat-study/ oh my
ozbot: Pancreatic cancer risk increases with every 2 strips of bacon you eat: Study - CBS News
Duffer1_: nooooOOOOO :(
truffles: study 2012, conditions mightve changed
Vexual: pancreatic cancer risk increases with every two steps you take
truffles: i was just looking if there was a non scanner way to tell if uve got cancer..
Duffer1_: trained dog for certain cancers
truffles: Jack Andraka i know is working on some test strips..
truffles: but im not likely to have those he's testing ..
dub: isnt there a recent genetic breakthrough that we are the result of a monkey fucking a pig
Vexual: cancer isn't much of a problem until you're dead, then it's less of a problem
dub: we don't eat a lot of monkey, perhaps the jews are right
truffles: 0.o
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: dub i dunno but i've seen this new thanksgiving nonsense where they cut a turkey and a pigglet and put the halves together
ThickAsThieves: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html
ozbot: 'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American ge
ThickAsThieves: the male was the pig!
ThickAsThieves: not expected
mircea_popescu: what's this, lysenko ?
Vexual: divergent evolution is so 2012
truffles: pig for the white, chimp for the black, makes sense
ThickAsThieves: is this theory not testable?
ThickAsThieves: or have pigs and mokeys evolved too much
Vexual: theres not enough fossil record to reverse engineer our evolution
Vexual: and one would expect to see similar hybridisations in lower animals before putting that forward
truffles: maybe its a publish or perish kinda thing ya know
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you could use your bitcoin fortune to endow a monkey pigfucking farm
Vexual: maybe its a crackpipe kinda thing
ThickAsThieves: maybe Jeff Bezos would buy my farm
ThickAsThieves: so which side of the brain is monkey/pig?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/12/02/248089436/the-truth-about-the-left-brain-right-brain-relationship
ozbot: The Truth About The Left Brain / Right Brain Relationship : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR
Vexual: you could get some elephants and dolphins and see if you get dugongs
ThickAsThieves: It makes sense to have specialized brain regions, just as it makes sense to have divisions of labor in other areas of life. But why have specialized hemispheres?
ThickAsThieves: cuz pigs!
mircea_popescu: get hipos and dolphins
mircea_popescu: they're practically the same lineage.
ThickAsThieves: maybe apes and boars, for bigger humans
ThickAsThieves: or king kongs!
mircea_popescu: im sure pig meant boar hog.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have basna back then
Vexual: maybe start with something like a coral
ThickAsThieves: well they attribute our smooth skin to the pig
ThickAsThieves: and arent boars hairy?
truffles: dailymail though
ThickAsThieves: arent all pigs hairy?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: see mangalitsa
ThickAsThieves: no wonder it had to rape a monkey to get laid
truffles: if this theory were true would ur mind be blown
ThickAsThieves: no
Vexual: yes
ThickAsThieves: i dont care at all
truffles: u care
truffles: this is crazy stuff!
ThickAsThieves: if some pig humped some monkey ages ago?
ThickAsThieves: nah
mircea_popescu: it's patent nonsense anyway. suines and hominides aren't sexuyally compatible.
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truffles: dubs his theory the 'Monkey-F******-A-Pig hypothesis'
truffles: hmm
kakobrekla: its either monkey-pig or monkey-monkey
kakobrekla: no difference basically
kakobrekla: ok ok, pig-pig also.
truffles: if no holes in science, these theories wouldnt come to light
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deadweasel: if no holes in people. people wouldn't come about.
truffles: haha
deadweasel: https://ghostbin.com/paste/oweqm
ozbot: oweqm - Ghostbin
deadweasel: this is me trying to understand what might be a good idea.
Vexual: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=202_1232911143
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Drunk Wildlife
truffles: whats with the blockchain storage..
truffles: i hear there's child porn snips in it..
truffles: this is something the bitcoin foundation should take care of
deadweasel: truffles, please don't speak so much
truffles: :(
deadweasel: or think first, either way
truffles: well its not "technically" done but still
mircea_popescu: truffles you can add some child porn to the blockchain yourself.
truffles: im saying it should be removed..
kakobrekla: more interesting would be if we can find an algo that would decrpyt the moons surface to some CP pix or vid
kakobrekla: BAN THE MOON!
ThickAsThieves: ban the internet
ThickAsThieves: look at all the damage its done
mircea_popescu: well at least, if we're contemplating the task of censoring the blockchain, i would say the bitcoin foundation is a well chosen agent.
truffles: only extreme cases
mircea_popescu: rarely a more insurmountable task was met by a less apt entity.
Duffer1_: hehe
mircea_popescu: it's like (bfl making asics) ^ of itself
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (bfl making asics) ** (bfl making asics)
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
Vexual: youve never seen me bicycle home from the pub
asciilifeform: let's censor the digits of pi, while we're at it.
kakobrekla: only if its in CP
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a theorem : for any jpg representation of a six year old riding a tumescent pig penis,
mircea_popescu: there exists a natural number indicating the first pi decimal at which that jpg representation can be found
asciilifeform: simon plouffe proved already.
mircea_popescu: whole and unabridged
mircea_popescu: ayup.
kakobrekla: heh
asciilifeform: only problem is that said offset is typically much longer than the payload. but this may not be a problem for this use case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i vaguely recall that as long as the payload is finite, so is the offset
mircea_popescu: but i don't remember who proved that one
asciilifeform: here's the fun part
asciilifeform: not part of the proof, afaik
asciilifeform: if you can put up with lossiness, you make the search considerably easier.
mircea_popescu: a good point
asciilifeform: the offset where the digits, using some straightforward bitmap view, can be Roscharched into the pic, is probably findable.
mircea_popescu: i change to "a recognisable depiction"
asciilifeform: 'pi pr0n search service.'
asciilifeform: who needs mersenne primes!
mircea_popescu: this should be a xkcd
mircea_popescu: "what are you doing all by yourself in the dark ?!"
mircea_popescu: "scanning the pi decimals for lez prons"
mircea_popescu: btw, butthurt re the bbp : https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.math.symbolic/a3kVKVYJhgc
kakobrekla: just scan the moon with a qr gun until you get a small boy with a penis
kakobrekla: and with that line ill be leaving
kakobrekla: nite
deadweasel: nite
truffles: so much downside to drinking alcohol
truffles: this "idea" so advance..
truffles: things that are easier to keep track of are hmmm
Vexual: just 22/7 and use your imagination
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mircea_popescu: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2517058-19CA120700000578-85_970x1361.jpg
mircea_popescu: pig theory proven
asciilifeform: unrelated: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/11/the-fda-vs-personal-genetic-testing.html
dub: <ThickAsThieves> is this theory not testable?
dub: I would hope somewhere someone is trying to prove it by mating pigs and monkeys
mircea_popescu: and pandas.
dub: mate all the things
Duffer1_: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=8639.0
Duffer1_: Ciphertrade
BingoBoingo: Can an S.PigFuckingaMonkeyFuckingaPanda be far away? I might have to see if Cryptostocks will list it...
asciilifeform: notably missing is: slavecoin.
truffles: Dr McCarthy thinks "the human race is a very good thing" so he may be wrong on others
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what was the response, "fuck you, we'll sell fior bitcoin " ?
asciilifeform: '23' being a u.s. corp, the response will probably be: doggy submission. followed by death.
truffles: Primecoin sounds nice
mircea_popescu: "We have received the warning letter from the Food and Drug Administration. We recognize that we have not met the FDA’s expectations regarding timeline and communication regarding our submission. Our relationship with the FDA is extremely important to us and we are committed to fully engaging with them to address their concerns."
mircea_popescu: meh. grow some backbone, ye land of the free ppls!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Well it is run by on of the Googler's spouses so I imagine it will meet the same fate as so many google related projects...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: word is that mr. B has a new fucktoy
asciilifeform: and so 23 has lost its 'roof'.
asciilifeform: hence this turn of events.
mircea_popescu: "we have received large amounts of unsolicited mailings from various poseurs. sorting through all this crap takes time which would be better used otherwise. we are uninterested in the volunteered opinions of self-styled authorities, we intend to retain experts for answering any questions we may need answered and ingore anything else"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I would have imagined it would just get ignored into oblivion. Then again unlike actually Google products they have an actual revenue stream in the form of recurring billing to maintain access to your results.
nubbins`: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Roll-of-50-Casascius-2012-5-BTC-Blank-coins-Unfunded-Roll-your-own-/261345344416?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item3cd9657ba0&_uhb=1
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asciilifeform: in other news, u.s. corps wake up to the fact that model choppers can deliver packages: http://www.amazon.com/b?ref_=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_mx3eqp&node=8037720011
nubbins`: ^ sweet, they come with their own private keys and addresses so you don't need to worry about generating your own
asciilifeform: but hung up on red tape.
nubbins`: i'd get food delivered by drone, no sweat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the old laser-in-eye terrorism post ?
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mircea_popescu: seems that's not exactly how it works out. market favours the "meth from the sky" approach
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. down the chimney.
mircea_popescu: by the time the average city has > 100k of these in air at any given time
Vexual: im already prining the chimney qr codes
mircea_popescu: it'll be a riot to keep pumping the "nsa is doing an excellent job tracking everything!!1"
asciilifeform: of course, 'dead drop' solves the SR delivery problem, but it isn't techno-sexy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are telling me that http://assets.makers.com/maker/Anne_Wojcicki_IMG_5679_A.jpg was dsomeone's fuck toy ?!
mircea_popescu: or did you mean fuckboy
asciilifeform: was...
mircea_popescu: get out of here.
Vexual: you get a portion of the btc delivery fee when you `obtain` and maintain a mesh drone
mircea_popescu: when, before google listed ?!
asciilifeform: the choppers are easy to build, one fellow i know cobbled together a classic design that lifts several full soda cans.
asciilifeform: putters along for 1/2 hr. or so.
asciilifeform: what changed? cheap 3-axis gyros.
Vexual: from phones
BingoBoingo: Maybe someone will scale up this idea to fire paintballs at any lenses mounted on drones http://trilema.com/2013/since-you-boys-are-printing-tanks-now/
mircea_popescu: the cost per lb hour of chopper should be in the 5 to 10 cents range, once you get it mass produced.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo usg drone fighting rc planes is definitely the thing of the future.
mircea_popescu: pewpewpew
Vexual: 30 minutes, or next time it's not windy
asciilifeform: the pill for usg drones: sail right into the tailpipe.
asciilifeform: no need for bullet
mircea_popescu: (actually, i wonder what a rc plane equiped with 4 ounces of acetone and a sparker would do to a drone carrying a missile)
Vexual: take off the paint?
asciilifeform: magnet, thermite.
Vexual: im pretty sure anyone who might actually want to down a drone would have better explosives
Vexual: and an rc plane is relly just another drone
asciilifeform: the famous (u.s.) drones are very much tooled for unarmed targets that can't afford so much as a binocular.
Vexual: lot of good binoculars are going to do
asciilifeform: no defenses, to speak of, no maneuvering ability.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
asciilifeform: in the immortal words of an airplane designer: what can two machines do that no one, no matter how costly, cannot?
asciilifeform: be in two places.
asciilifeform: now try 1000 places...
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/S-100-OE-VXX.jpg
mircea_popescu: i dunno... this thing doesn;'t look like a little flame throwing would take its paint off
mircea_popescu: it looks more like the end for gracie.
asciilifeform: scale?
mircea_popescu: large unprotected air intake
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Vexual: honey! did you order something from amazBOOM!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 3m long, 100kgs
mircea_popescu: its the S-100 model modified
mircea_popescu: http://www.schiebel.net/
ozbot: Home - Schiebel
asciilifeform: death from the air would be a little scarier if they so much as managed to get gps spoofing off the table.
Vexual: u can gps upside down with lasers
asciilifeform: i'd like to see what one of these does near... an ordinary spark gap.
Vexual: do they make a cargo model?
asciilifeform: Vexual: that's nearly an adult chopper, not comparable to the miniatures at all.
Vexual: yeah, fly em outta peru
Vexual: alibaba had some long range winged drones last year
Vexual: no longer
asciilifeform: Vexual: your local toy store still has them.
Vexual: big fuckers
asciilifeform: just needs a little extra sweat.
dub: gps spoofing is wild
dub: supposed to be pretty easy
asciilifeform: dub: why perforate enemy, take him home as a pet.
dub: rf hardening would be another question
asciilifeform: dub: the notion of rf-hardening a widget that includes a large antenna is a curious one.
dub: presumably you would harden in the defensive direction (down) while leaving a channel on the harder to target side (up)
Vexual: its not actually large though is it
asciilifeform: dub: the hypothetical was: a toystore chopper limpets on to the larger one. what ought to be in the former.
mircea_popescu: acetone im telling you.
asciilifeform: one fun possibility: toy turns its rotors 90 deg., they turn into... windmill generators.
asciilifeform: for the spark gap...
dub: cheaper yet, a parachute
Vexual: a magnet and a parachute
asciilifeform: need an uncommonly solid grip, for a drogue chute.
dub: of course they can probably mitigate it when they realise telemetry is not lining up wth flight plan
asciilifeform: flight plan, from the moment of limpeting, should be 'vertical.'
dub: not if for a rotating wing
dub: it'll just limp a bit
Vexual: aluminium magnets are expensive too
asciilifeform: dub: for rotating wing, payload is: piano wire.
dub: hard to deploy right
Vexual: a long one
dub: thermite wins anyway
asciilifeform: no magnets for Al. nail gun.
Vexual: better make that 1st shot count
dub: if you're aiming a gun make it an rf gun
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, horse hair
asciilifeform: for choppers, fly two toys, trailing piano wire between.
dub: otherwise the limpet needs to aquire taret and track
mircea_popescu: give it a slow death
Vexual: the theif could trail the piano wire in its path and hope for the tangle
asciilifeform: fishing line may even work, considering what will happen when the rotor winds it up.
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: (suggested experiment: two tennis balls, fishing line, an old-style uncaged metal fan, an open field.)
mircea_popescu: usualyl in this sort of situation flexible > rigid
dub: I think you're going to need to get real lucky to tangle a cord in the prop
dub: need to attack from above basically
mircea_popescu: dub not if your fishing wire is part of a net.
Vexual: is that a little raddome on the top of tail?
asciilifeform: Vexual: sat uplink
Vexual: halfway down the tail
Vexual: or is that for shaft lube?
asciilifeform: before you know it, we're back to 1930s state of the art: barrage balloon.
Vexual: it can climb with better conmtrol than descend
asciilifeform: usg drone is built for specific work: plug unarmed man, in open field, by surprise.
asciilifeform: to expect that it will be sent to do some other job is odd.
asciilifeform: a different machine is called for, and will appear.
asciilifeform: rf is a more interesting countermeasure than pyrotechnics, because enemy machines can travel by land, sea, hell, sewer line, and not only by air.
asciilifeform: solve the general case.
Vexual: sewer drone?
asciilifeform: when the bureaucrats say 'asymmetric war' and piss their pants, they aren't specifically thinking of bedouins with ak
diametric: ah discussing the news about amazons drone delivery publicity stunt?
asciilifeform: but rather, anyone who can out-think the idiots.
mircea_popescu: where the idiots are themselves.
asciilifeform: naturally
mircea_popescu: "this war is asymetric in that the enemy chooses to not make the same exact mistakes we do"
Vexual: never heard of him
mircea_popescu: in this sense the us rebellion was asymmetric as seen from king george's palace.
asciilifeform: asymmetric: 'we are rich, they - poor, they oughta roll over and die fair and square.'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
Vexual: war? what war?
asciilifeform: Vexual: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is quite interested in you.'
Vexual: ALL the money?
Vexual: is that one of yours ascii?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: trotsky!
Vexual: never heard of him
asciilifeform: btw, at the current max range of toy drone, one could achieve very similar results with: catapult.
Vexual: or a tennis ball
asciilifeform: (for product delivery, of things that don't mind being thrown)
asciilifeform: like most SR cargo.
Vexual: or an avalon
diametric: I really doubt that will ever come to fruition. It's just publicity. There's no way their attorneys are going to sign off on something thats going to have that much liability.
asciilifeform: diametric: it will be done. by people who don't care for legalities.
diametric: The potential damage to property and lives will be way to high. Anything strong enough to carry 5 pound packages is strong enough to kill someone.
diametric: asciilifeform: yeah
diametric: I still have faint scars from when I was playing with that one larger multirotor.
asciilifeform: everybody who builds toy choppers has the characteristic scars.
diametric: Or worse, there
diametric: There have been several deaths just this last year from them
asciilifeform: 'here comes the candle, to light you to bed. here comes the chopper, to chop off your head.'
Vexual: i lost one, fled immediately
asciilifeform: in the unlikely event of the 'legit' vendors using choppers, they'll go for enclosed airscrews. 'ufo' shape.
Vexual: remeber this bit of cgi genius?
asciilifeform: a modern Diogenes will die comically, 'ipad' crate falling on his head instead of turtle.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU
ozbot: Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun - YouTube
asciilifeform: Vexual: this was widely believed, because they don't teach newton's 3rd law any more...
mike_c: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
BingoBoingo: I'm here mike_c
mike_c: glad to see the gpg section! very useful stuff.
mike_c: i have recommended it to several people
BingoBoingo: Thanks mike_c
mircea_popescu: speaking of the diogene,
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=woman+spear+piss&complete=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch
Vexual: never heard of him
KRS|gotyawallet: Gribble: magnesium in thermite too i think
diametric: KRS|gotyawallet: its used to ignite thermite
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCnGuvLax3Y
ozbot: GARNETT SILK I AM VEX - YouTube
Vexual: wrap the mag around a sparkler and flee
Vexual: factory stuff has mag and oxidised al
Vexual: and anti caking agent
asciilifeform: Vexual: and some taggants, likely, for 'smartasses'
Vexual: perhaps i was thinking of my multivitamin
nubbins`: re: drone copters
nubbins`: you can thank nintendo for cheap gyro sensors
Vexual: i thought that was pressure sensors?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you mean apple
thestringpuller: nubbins` nubbins` nubbins`
thestringpuller: nub wub nubby dubby dub nubbins`
nubbins`: consider that a wii motion plus attachment fits in a child's hand, costs $25, and can track acceleration and movement along 3 axes
nubbins`: and communicates via serial
thestringpuller: wii motion plus you mean
nubbins`: nod
Vexual: i think iphone had it b4 wiimote
nubbins`: ah, maybe
nubbins`: but wiimore is an OTS solution
nubbins`: *wiimote
nubbins`: seriously, a motionplus and an arduino sets you back maybe $50-60
nubbins`: and it's more than enough to keep a quadcopter in the air
Vexual: nintendo were the first to mass produce such accurate pressure sensores as in thw wiifit board
nubbins`: yeah, mass production is key
nubbins`: 3-axis gyros were around too
nubbins`: nintendo brought the economy of scale
Vexual: really?
Vexual: i always thought it was the other way around
nubbins`: ah, hm
nubbins`: i am kind of just making this up
Vexual: you're probably right nintendo>smartphone>gyrocopter
nubbins`: but that's what it seemed like in my head
nubbins`: anyway, there are tons of videos of people using wiimotes and nunchuks to control robots
Vexual: no, its the phone
nubbins`: you can probably just get gyro arduino shields for cheaper than a wiimote now anyway
Vexual: wiimotes must cost a bit, they dont even give you one with a u
nubbins`: that's because they give you a $250 controller with your u
nubbins`: and everyone with a u has an original wii ;D
nubbins`: altho i agree it's pretty stingy
Vexual: yeah, so return customers only
Vexual: and you cant sell your wii with no controllers
nubbins`: heh, nope
nubbins`: great if you have a wii and your buddy has a u, tho
nubbins`: 5-player games
nubbins`: some of the minigames in wii u party or w/e the bundled game is called are pretty cool
Vexual: i was looking forward to watchdogs on u sooner
Vexual: fuck the multiplayer and take my money
thestringpuller: Vexual you and everyone else in the gaming world.
Vexual: and wheres zelda?
Vexual: i want giant spiders!
nubbins`: giant spiders D:
nubbins`: would rather giant sliders
nubbins`: aka regular-sized hamburgers
Vexual: i made fist burritos and got food poisoning
Vexual: you never siad wash your knuckes
nubbins`: turns out the friction from your strikes wasn't enough to denature the proteins?
Vexual: maybe that was it
nubbins`: try soaking your fists in lemon juice first.
Vexual: and punch harder?
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: always
Vexual: id send you the log, but it's not really a log
Vexual: smarthouse my arse
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Vexual: im putting wiifit sensors under my toilets
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Vexual: check your guests for scoliosis
Vexual: and intestinal fortitude
Vexual: try that with an xbox, you'd be arrested
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPTmDWDzLw
ozbot: Eek A Mouse - Schizophrenic.MP4 - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY
ozbot: Wiley - Wearing My Rolex (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTF7T1Nw5OU
ozbot: SuperHeavy - Miracle Worker - YouTube
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Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg 7
ozbot: Maroon 5 - Moves Like Jagger ft. Christina Aguilera - YouTube
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIJmciN8mo 62
ozbot: Nicki Minaj - Starships (Explicit) - YouTube
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Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw 889
ozbot: Miley Cyrus - The Backyard Sessions - "Jolene" - YouTube
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg3799078#msg3799078
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
mircea_popescu: this is pretty funny, guy now wants to work for me, admits he couldn't do as good a job as thje girl.
mircea_popescu: fascinating capitalism
asciilifeform: prescribe: seppuku?
Vexual: let him sweep the floor with no pay
asciilifeform: seems like it was invented for such occasions.
mircea_popescu: no see, this is the main reason i like the capitalism-democracy combo : i don't have to do anything.
mircea_popescu: if you live in some sort of more or less republican tyrany it is incumbent upon you to take in all the idiots.
Vexual: thats not the most funny outcome
mircea_popescu: but if you live in the heartless-est system ever invented, you can just nod and ignore.
Vexual: gentlemen would have another bet
asciilifeform: why ignore when you can laugh.
KRS|gotyawallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdV-_FP079A
ozbot: Driicky Graham "Snapbacks & Tattoos" - YouTube
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i meant from his perspective. obviously from my perspective i'm laughing
Vexual: im sure it says somewhere breaking any rule voids any bet
Vexual: double or nothing would be at least twice as funny
mircea_popescu: yet you know, in imperial japan or soviet russia or republican rome it is not acceptable for some guy to go "i have no skills master but i would like to work" and he not be taken in, trained and worked.
mircea_popescu: in a democracy it's quite natural.
mircea_popescu: i don't know of any system where labour capital has a lesser value.
Vexual: we all must work within a framework
Vexual: if you bump your head on the scaffold of a construction site, you havent much hoipoe
mircea_popescu: hoi poloi ?
Vexual: hoi
asciilifeform: well in 'democracy' a polizei will bite you on the arse if you employ the unskilled fellow for the wage he's worth.
Vexual: i foirgot to puit ino moi doil foirm
mircea_popescu: exactly. it's actually illegal in the democracy to improve the capital value of labour.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of the whole thing is to make it so people are worthless and stay worthless.
Vexual: depends how its done mp
KRS|gotyawallet: mircea_popescu: do you have an example of that?
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah, inasmuch as it's done to exhaust the person without any benefit then it's acceptable.
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet well yes, the entire discussion started with an example.
Vexual: australia is an interesting case
KRS|gotyawallet: whre its illegal in a democracy to improve the capital value of labour? You mean pay a man more than a woman for certain types of jobs?
Vexual: apprently all our medical records were dutifully compiled into the prism database
Vexual: but theres a few unions that will dissappear a politician
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet no, i mean put them in a position where their abilities and knowledge actually improve so that they are objectively worth more.
KRS|gotyawallet: ok i see
KRS|gotyawallet: thanks i didnt understand
mircea_popescu: the process through which the antique adolescens solidified into vir, ie, a man, is the typical increase in value. it includes such experience as killing others, and being responsible for the self in new situations and so on.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but more politely, the process through which the medieval youth moved from unskilled apprentice to skilled journeyman to actual craftsman on his own is similar
mircea_popescu: these all include two things : adversative education, which is to say education done forcibly, without bothering with the consent of the educated, and political power. neither exist in a democracy, thus reducing the youth to this situation of neoteny.
Vexual: i was on my mobile phone doing deals at the back in 94
Vexual: ill shut the flip when im good and ready bitch
Vexual: were about 5-10 years off the real info revolution
KRS|gotyawallet: On one hand we are talking about value, as it applies to labour which probably applies better to the context of capitalism and on the other hand we're applying that toward a democracy which doesnt necessarily recognize value, but rather mob rule.
Vexual: shits gonna get monkeypig
mircea_popescu: you can't escape value as such. it's there whether your current viewpoint hides it or not.
Vexual: hides what?
mircea_popescu: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/12/millennial_narcissism_helicopter_parents_are_college_students_bigger_problem.html < take that as a convenient example.
ozbot: Millennial narcissism: Helicopter parents are college students’ bigger problem.
mircea_popescu: "amy" is not exactly tradeable for one random individual. she's worth less than the average of 7 billion, which is already pretty damning.
mircea_popescu: in fact she may well be worth zero. that's an achievement, for a live human.
Vexual: and a phd in some bullshit noone wants to read flags you as a kneeler
asciilifeform: nobody is worth zero, in the uranium mines of vorkuta.
KRS|gotyawallet: worth zero to the society that supports her
KRS|gotyawallet: haha asciilifeform
asciilifeform: the fellows who stuffed their gloves with detcord and blew, well, you don't need hands to tramp the dirt
asciilifeform: nobody's a zero, everyone a hero there.
KRS|gotyawallet: As is everyone who stuffs their bags with blow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjnT_bq6Rw
ozbot: angela pamela wiya launch - YouTube
mircea_popescu: but this is the very point at hand : in the republican tyrani around vorkuta she might be discovered as somewhat valuable. in her hometown @ democracy, she's exactly zero.
Vexual: tending
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet no, worth zero intrinsically.
KRS|gotyawallet: right
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual: they speak funny there.
Vexual: thats my country brother
KRS|gotyawallet: I was just having trouble understanding the worth of labour as it applies to democracy, which is more suited for a discussion about capitalism.
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual this is a serious issue
Vexual: sickness country
Vexual: they dont camp there for more than a night, let alone dig the shit up
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Vexual: labour is a free market, if you've got skills or whathaveyou, ask the price
Vexual: if you get hungry or borded or whatever, drop your price
Vexual: ask mp, he lived in communist romania, i imagine it wasnt much different
KRS|gotyawallet: i have a mexican i pay $100 for a day of labour on my property..usually twice a month..he normally makes $80 and works longer in on the farms picking vegetables.
KRS|gotyawallet: Companies pay him much less because he's an undocumented worker.
Vexual: i think capitalism is pretty hard wired into humans
Vexual: he is the company fuckwit
KRS|gotyawallet: i pay him moar because he works hard, is reliable and very trustworthy..i pay him his equivallent rate as a documented worker.
Vexual: its a one man fuckin union
KRS|gotyawallet: he CAN'T get moar wage here because he's illegally in our country.
KRS|gotyawallet: In return he works like two men when I only have to pay one.
Vexual: youre thinking manhours, where its output you want
KRS|gotyawallet: comparitavely its nothing to me, i easily drink twice as much as I pay him when I go to the strip club on the weekends to see tits.
Duffer1_: drink less
Duffer1_: pay more
KRS|gotyawallet: fuck off
KRS|gotyawallet: :P
Duffer1_: :P
Vexual: .com
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet so basically you're paying him more because he's worth it.
Vexual: id dumb it down another shade, but you know
mircea_popescu: the democratic system however ensures that he's well penalised for that.
KRS|gotyawallet: right, he does the work of two men and doesnt need to be managed
mircea_popescu: unlike amy
mircea_popescu: also unlike amy, he doesn't vote. he lives in a different system, which both explains him and makes sense to him.
KRS|gotyawallet: he lives in a VERY different system although he doesn't even live that far away from where i do
mircea_popescu: well that's basically my point. in his system, every person is valuable, and because oif that you end up with hard working people who aren't depressed.
mircea_popescu: in amy's system you end up with amy, who has no skills and no future.
Vexual: i blame amy
mircea_popescu: so to speak, you brought my example yourself :)
KRS|gotyawallet: ahh ok..yes.
mircea_popescu: now, if amy got to spend a few years on a mexican farm among mexican people who'd put her lazy ass to work rather than ask her about her feelings
mircea_popescu: she'd come back a marrigeable, useful and generally sane and adult woman.
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe pregnant too.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't happen where she lives. why not ? because nobody gives a shit.
KRS|gotyawallet: capitalism wouldnt let that happen..in her system is she given the necessities to survive even though she doesn't work?
Vexual: you might be confusing capitalism with something else
KRS|gotyawallet: how so? in a capitalist society she wouldnt be given anything, she would have to do something in order to survive ie: make herself useful
mircea_popescu: no.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNlyuWhT62w
ozbot: Catch & Cook: Nimanburr (Flying Fox) - YouTube
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mircea_popescu: the way the capitalist democracy works is that she gets the bare minimum to survive, much like a cow in one of the insalubrous farms they invented.
mircea_popescu: up to her chest in shit, fed antibiotics to control the infection. everything at the bare minimum.
Duffer1_: even then it's almost not survivable
mircea_popescu: nobody can be bothered to give her a good lashing and put her to work, because this is more skilled and valuable attention than she "deserves".
mircea_popescu: consequently, she gets 2 hours of "therapy" and social media q.s.
Vexual: oldest society in the world
asciilifeform: "We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium."
asciilifeform: who said?
mircea_popescu: and just like nobody botheres with amy i don't bother with that forum fuckwit and so the circle continues.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either lincoln or churchil
asciilifeform: 2
mircea_popescu: :D
KRS|gotyawallet: Pray to Jesus so the forum fuckwit can be saved and find salvation.
KRS|gotyawallet: LorenzoMoney heh I met him in person..cool guy.
KRS|gotyawallet: Hey there LorenzoMoney
Vexual: democratic capitalists, with violence
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual: its very strange that foxes fly in your country..but then again I think some folks there even eat Bats.
Vexual: 40000 years, same shit, its human
KRS|gotyawallet: oh
KRS|gotyawallet: my
KRS|gotyawallet: god
KRS|gotyawallet: these are just giant bats dude..disgusting
KRS|gotyawallet: Any good?
Vexual: no idea
KRS|gotyawallet: i must be too refined..
KRS|gotyawallet: I'd rather go eat some thing from McDonalds which is probably very bad for me, than eat something like this.
Vexual: ever been hungry?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw
ozbot: The Doom Generation (1995) Trailer - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: not hungry enough to go catch something like this and eat it..now boar..I'll hunt and eat the hell out of wild boar..about 20 miles from where i live, my 4x4 .45 sidepiece and 12 gauge shotgun, its on...knife, winch and hunting dogs ready to go.
KRS|gotyawallet: Pig/boar is DELICIOUS
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nubbins`: i'm digging into some sourdough, kielbasa, and cheddar right now
KRS|gotyawallet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
ozbot: A Country Boy Can Survive - YouTube
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49Pn07Hg9M
ozbot: 04 In The Bush With Malcolm Douglas S01E05 - YouTube
KRS|gotyawallet: most of Australia is undeveloped right
KRS|gotyawallet: the Aboriginal Australians are funny to me
KRS|gotyawallet: now they are eating giant lizards..i bet it tastes like chicken
Vexual: its the end of the earth
KRS|gotyawallet: yeah, nothing but water from there eh
KRS|gotyawallet: or do you mean the earth is going to end?
Vexual: and the begginning
Vexual: no i mean its the land that time forgot
KRS|gotyawallet: right
KRS|gotyawallet: thats how i see it
KRS|gotyawallet: unspoiled
KRS|gotyawallet: any moar trilema/dtng?
KRS|gotyawallet: need pix
KRS|gotyawallet: one thing i have found is that there are A LOT of local rap artists with A LOT of talent and good songs
Vexual: talent everewheres
KRS|gotyawallet: i love that about the internetz..otherwise wouldnt have been noticed.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--vxPnqJdgo
ozbot: Black Grape - Words - YouTube
mike_c: hm, interesting. a week ago the btc/usd 7 day volatility was the highest its been since August 2011
mike_c: i know, that is interesting!
mike_c: thanks, i thought so too.
nubbins`: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
mike_c: somebody caught on to the trick. dump a bunch of money in early and kill the late guys. a good move.
mike_c: oh wait, "somebody" :) http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/
chsados: mike_c: what is he doing exactly?
mike_c: you get a bunch of money in early, at a high weight.
mike_c: when more money comes in late, at a low weight, you make money.
chsados: it seems like he is betting heavy on both sides though - how does that become profitable
mike_c: if a lot of money comes in both sides it works out. if it goes heavily slanted one way the whole time, not so much.
mike_c: or if there just isn't any action, then you'll lose out on the fees.
mike_c: so it's basically a wager on "this bet will be popular"
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pankkake: "Through fixing this outstanding issue with BitFunder/WeExchange it will be a good thing for Neo & Bee and the Bitcoin community as a whole." :|
jurov`: yes, lesson for everyone
davout: hi
kakobrekla: heya
jurov`: ohai
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ThickAsThieves: lol i'm reading a local article about city gov not paying its "futures" to the electric co
ThickAsThieves: all the "fancy words" are in quotes like that
pankkake: it's words from the evil faceless finance word
pankkake: world
ThickAsThieves: they even have "impact fees" in quotes, something this rag discusses often
dexX7: mixing visualized: http://thinkdifferent.ly/stuff/sheep-bitcoin/ + http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2013/12/theres-%C2%A360m-bitcoin-heist-going-down-right-now-and-you-can-watch-real-time
truffles: http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/kalief-browder-prison-guards-starved-me/529d1ac2fe34441ee5000416 TAT when looking like some1 else goes extremely bad
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pankkake: was looking like someone "being black"?
pankkake: fuck, 16 year old
pankkake: nice childhood
ThickAsThieves: they arrested him for looking like Urkel
truffles: yea trying to watch the video
truffles: firefox will not allow!
ThickAsThieves: http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111903302604579234163250372446.html
ozbot: PayPal Could Embrace Bitcoin - Barrons.com
ThickAsThieves: nvm this is just some analyst
ThickAsThieves: thought it was actual news
ThickAsThieves: tldr 'I bought bitcoins, here's some PayPal hype"
mircea_popescu: somewhat related,
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-art-of-making-friends-and-influencing-people-versus-stockholm-syndrome/
ozbot: The art of making friends and influencing people versus Stockholm Syndrome pe Trilema - Un blog de M
Diablo-D3: you klnow
Diablo-D3: its kinda funny
Diablo-D3: Im richer than MP
truffles: orly
Diablo-D3: he says he has thousands and thousands and thousands of bitcoins
Diablo-D3: I dont actually believe him
Diablo-D3: so going on what he makes on mpex, which is very little because no one uses it
truffles: u want to prove ur wallet is bigger than his wallet lol
Diablo-D3: I am, in fact, richer than mp
truffles: i wouldnt know about the traffic
Diablo-D3: truffles: bitcoin wallet only?
truffles: oh i c
Diablo-D3: because he probably has more bitcoins than me atm
Diablo-D3: I cashed out quite a few into dollars
truffles: why do u have to prove u have more?
Diablo-D3: I dont
Diablo-D3: Im just tired of hearing him talk
truffles: oh
Diablo-D3: Seriously, nobody cares how many slave women he has
truffles: he is kinda polorizing maybe
Diablo-D3: (hint: he actually has zero, he says he has like three)
Diablo-D3: what the fuck would you even NEED 3 slave women for
Diablo-D3: the man only has one penis
mircea_popescu: jesus who the fuck do i still have on ignore
truffles: u sure, Rominia looks kinda poor
mircea_popescu: i thought i cleared it
truffles: Diablo-D3
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: me, you jackass
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: maybe next year.
Diablo-D3: lol.
truffles: haha
Diablo-D3: truffles: and this is why no one likes mircea_popescu
truffles: rly, seems like he has bunch of fans in here
Diablo-D3: I wouldnt call them fans
Diablo-D3: more like people who tolerate him and also want slave women
TomServo: Hearing about his slaves is a LOT more interesting that your paleo diet. Just sayin'.
truffles: well the fact that they have to be slaves is kinda not cool imo
pankkake: I like both paleo and slave women. which side do I chose?
Diablo-D3: pankkake: mmm bbqed slaves
truffles: unless he's just saying theyre slaves..
Diablo-D3: truffles: they're not actually slaves
Diablo-D3: they're slaves in the bdsm sense
truffles: ohh
Diablo-D3: seriously?
Diablo-D3: you didnt get that?
pankkake: lol
truffles: i think of human trafficing when its mentioned *blush*
Diablo-D3: dear God, no
Diablo-D3: he just has (well, says he has) a collection of women that like to be used and abused
truffles: well then thats what theyre into..
mircea_popescu: truffles whoi has to be a slave ?
Diablo-D3: whips, being tied up, getting brutally fucked, being kept in a cage when not in use, that sort of thing
truffles: mp u bdsm women
truffles: ur*
ThickAsThieves: mp you could solve your ignore problem by adding truffles too
truffles: kinda dont have sympathy for ppl who chose it though
ThickAsThieves: since he's the only one taking D3 seriously
truffles: its what they want
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: wtf man
mircea_popescu: this is true... but i got the spirit of xmas earlier ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: lol
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: so what, you actually think he actually bought slave women?
truffles: TAT ure so mean
ThickAsThieves: D3 it is absolutely inconsequential to me what MP does for his personal life
Diablo-D3: I mean, if he actually HAS bought slaves, I know a guy at interpol
ThickAsThieves: i'm feeling grinchy...
truffles: TAT what is your problem with me and Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: anyway, nobody has to be a slave. it's a voluntary arrangement, and it has its advantages. chief among which that you're about 10x as quick to learn as a slave.
ThickAsThieves: I think that was the first "mean" accusation for me, have I really made it?
Diablo-D3: he doesnt like fine chocolates or evil incarnate
truffles: TAT snarky > mean
mircea_popescu: pls spell it "snarky", like "futures"
ThickAsThieves: i remember being in grade school having to write little page about Christmas,
ThickAsThieves: I put Santa Claus in quotes like that
truffles: Diablo-D3 what have u done to make u evil?
ThickAsThieves: and the teacher marked it up, and said it might imply that i dont think Santa is real
ThickAsThieves: well...
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: wow
Diablo-D3: you could have been rich
Diablo-D3: you could have sued the school for forcing religious doctrine on you
ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: i was also going to Catechism at that age
pankkake: which religion is santa?
pankkake: capitalism?
ThickAsThieves: so kinda stupid to make religion accusations
ThickAsThieves: CocaColaism
truffles: so ure atheist as an adult
jurov`: I don't believe in Santa Claus. We had Ded Moroz from Siberia instead.
ThickAsThieves: atheism is too narrow a term
truffles: agnostic?
ThickAsThieves: the wonders of the universe remain unexplained
Diablo-D3: I believe God is a scientist.
Diablo-D3: Im that kind of guy
truffles: after some years the science changes..
pankkake: I believe I am God, you're just part of my imagination
ThickAsThieves: "the more I study science, the more I believe in God"
ThickAsThieves: who said that
truffles: i only know teh "I think, therefore I am."
ThickAsThieves: Einstein
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: Einstein was a very smart man, hes very underappreciated
truffles: overappreciated imo
ThickAsThieves: probly one of my "if you could have lunch with anyone" targets
truffles: did he steal some of his discoveries?...
truffles: id pick Tesla
ThickAsThieves: "Good artists borrow, great artists steal"
ThickAsThieves: who said that
asciilifeform: herr jobs
ThickAsThieves: Picasso, baby
truffles: oh thought it was Neal Caffrey
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: "Neoteny is not necessarily limited to physical features however. Currently, a large minority with perhaps a view of soon becoming majority of English speaking adults exhibit psychological neoteny, the sad state wherein their body has long reached maturity while their mind is still continuing adolescence"
ThickAsThieves: i assumed this to be majority prevelent for quite some time
ThickAsThieves: like Amy sorta
ThickAsThieves: people just frozen in grade/high school
ThickAsThieves: mentally
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: but thats because high school is broken
Diablo-D3: its psychological damage inflicted by the state to make good workers
Diablo-D3: problem is, we dont need workers
Diablo-D3: we need free thinkers
Diablo-D3: as many as possible
ThickAsThieves: oh god no
ThickAsThieves: have you seen all the free thinkers on reddit?
pankkake: aren't they all in school?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I said free thinkers, not faggots with too much karma
ThickAsThieves: 35 and in school, probly
Diablo-D3: reddit is pure faggotry, I dont know how people stand it
truffles: u hate gays too
truffles: dam
Diablo-D3: truffles: I neither hate nor like gays
Diablo-D3: I find their taste in men to be strange.
truffles: Diablo-D3 then id like to know what u consider normal
Diablo-D3: truffles: boobs and a vagina.
Diablo-D3: truffles: btw, you were supposed to say "whats wrong with their taste in men"
truffles: whats wrong with it
Diablo-D3: they have one
truffles: i try not to judge
truffles: the former christian in me :)
Diablo-D3: truffles: if you want to participate in the comedy, you need to learn when someone is trying to setup a joke
Diablo-D3: heh, the christian in me is fine with people being gay
ThickAsThieves: question, why does nethash measurement vary so greatly among measurers?
Diablo-D3: as long as they treat their partner with a respect and be part of the community and, well, not have AIDS
Diablo-D3: Im totally okay with it
pankkake: reddit common beliefs: 1) we are a nice community 2) academia teaches you everything you need 3) fedoras are cool
Diablo-D3: just please, no bearded men kissing
pankkake: what measurers?
Diablo-D3: just dont do it
Diablo-D3: pankkake: 3 is true, btw
Diablo-D3: fedoras arent cool
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/ http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ and gribble
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
Diablo-D3: fezzes are.
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves look at the age breakdown : http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age_graph_1.gif
mircea_popescu: if you exclude under 15 say, it's quite hard for the thin sliver at the bottom to outnumber the fat peak
pankkake: bitcoinwisdow says "last 504 blocks", don't know for others
ThickAsThieves: why dont they all at least note an estimate based on blocks solved since last diff?
pankkake: well that's not really *current* nethash then
mircea_popescu: pankkake fedoras are kinda cool tho
ThickAsThieves: well certainly relevant no?
ThickAsThieves: yes i also like more recent estimating
ThickAsThieves: but yknow
ThickAsThieves: http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate
pankkake: it depends on what you want to know
ThickAsThieves: is that gribble's source?
pankkake: I think gribble uses blockchain.info, because when they're broken he's broken
pankkake: at least for tslb
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883217070.437 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suspect they don't include that because it's so easy to calculate on your own
mircea_popescu: a nm, it actually is included
pankkake: hats are often a tool of imposters
ThickAsThieves: so why is this one so off?
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
mircea_popescu: that's copied off sipa's site. why is it off ?
ThickAsThieves: Difficulty707,408,283
ThickAsThieves: Next Difficulty
ThickAsThieves: in 1316 blocks
ThickAsThieves: 782,843,943
ThickAsThieves: Network Hashrate
ThickAsThieves: Terahashs/s
ThickAsThieves: 5603.82
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272860 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1315 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.91406
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883652397.234 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 == 883652397.234 based on data since last change
mircea_popescu: and obviously nethash != difficulty.
ThickAsThieves: Gribble nethash: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: btc charts nethash: 5603.82
mircea_popescu: the 5.6k was at the time of last change
mircea_popescu: so it's the avg for past 2 weeks ending 13 days ago
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt 5.6
ThickAsThieves: it was like 5
mircea_popescu: maybe it's rolling window past 2 weeks ?
ThickAsThieves: it must be an arbitray sample time
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: arbitrary*
mircea_popescu: anyway, the chances to find the actual nethash within an arbitrary precision are a function of that precision.
ThickAsThieves: either way, I'd appreciate it if miners kept it to less than 1PH added in the next 3 weeks :)
mircea_popescu: o wow shiot look at that, 25%
mircea_popescu: dude you're toast.
ThickAsThieves: i accepted that risk at the time
ThickAsThieves: havent given up hope though
ThickAsThieves: 1PH is a lot to add
mircea_popescu: well yeah it's far from cut and dried yet
ThickAsThieves: hoping this was a burst
mircea_popescu: tbh it looked unlikely.
ThickAsThieves: I guess I might have to forgo that new Buick
ThickAsThieves: hehe
dexX7: you're dumping your gpus and started to buy asics?
ThickAsThieves: me? no way
ThickAsThieves: mining sux
kakobrekla: not it blows
kakobrekla: hot air
dexX7: hehe
ThickAsThieves: there is no blowing without sucking
ThickAsThieves: other than maybe those Dyson fans
dexX7: i bought some gpus, but i somehow feel like a sucker, because now is probably the best time to resell that stuff.. maybe i'll even do likewise before it arrives. a 7950 on ebay is worth 250-300+ eur here :D
kakobrekla: O_o
mircea_popescu: 300 euros ?! wtf.
mircea_popescu: it's an old card.
kakobrekla: apparently euro is not worth anything any more
dexX7: older, yes, but hash/watt efficient
dexX7: hehe
pankkake: and they're not made anymore
mircea_popescu: but i mean... wait, they;re not being bought to be used as gamingdevices ?
mircea_popescu: people still buythem to mine ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.35074922 = 2.806 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: yes
pankkake: right now probably, given that the R9 generation doesn't look much more costly…
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
pankkake: litecoin mining diff finally went up after months of ups and downs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00195 = 0.1092 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so basically if asics had never happened, bitcoin diff would be 10k
pankkake: yeah. and dead
mircea_popescu: is anyone fpga-ing litecoin yet ?
dexX7: afaik it's not very efficient
dexX7: compared to gpus
mircea_popescu: cause nobody wrote a proper chip yet ?
mircea_popescu: a, the ram issue.
dexX7: you want to have a lot of fast accessible memory
dexX7: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5053 @ 0.00080601 = 4.0728 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Neither of those search requests return any results for me.
mircea_popescu: now that's odd
TomServo: I thought so too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa. me either,.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com epifania
gribble: http://trilema.com/2013/the-ocr-lol-of-today/ http://trilema.com/2013 ...: <http://trilema.com/wp_db_sitemap.php>
ozbot: The OCR lol of today pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: THAT however shows me the article topmost.
mircea_popescu: http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrilema.com+epifania&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1 << and on a proxy too.
ozbot: site:trilema.com epifania - Google Search [Anonymoused]
mircea_popescu: i guess we don't quite fathom the extent to which google is manipulating results.
ThickAsThieves: i have a google killer idea i dont have the means to implement
TomServo: Huh. Evidently. First among 51 results when searching via proxy for me.
ThickAsThieves: i debated writing it all up and doing a kickstarter, but i truly wnat nothing to do with running a search co
ThickAsThieves: maybe wtite it up and slel it to Yahoo
ThickAsThieves: and hire a copy editor too
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: TomServo i suppose if you're going to censor, this is actually the correct approach : block specific searches, but index the material.
mircea_popescu: this way actual researchers can still do their work, and it remains accessible to those deemed "legitimate" of the public,
mircea_popescu: not so unlike how universities worked since abour 1200
ThickAsThieves: "That feature has lead to an inflationary bubble in bitcoin-to-dollar trading, with prices fluctuating largely from one day to the next. As fewer bitcoins become available through mining, new entrants in the market may be limited, making it more difficult for the currency to increase its overall float."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves : http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
ThickAsThieves: "The increasing cost of relaying transactions may end up making the currency too expensive to manage outside of a small group of users. "
mircea_popescu: teh ppl be figuring it out a year later, and after the fact.
ThickAsThieves: quotes from http://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlouis/2013/12/02/bitcoin-at-crossroad/
ThickAsThieves: dammit my trilema cookie died again
mircea_popescu: must keep teh cookies fresh!
ThickAsThieves: ah ive read this article more than once
mircea_popescu: tristan louis brumhilda von forbes has not :D
ThickAsThieves: "One of them is that consumers yield and submit, Bitcoin goes to somewhere in the thousand dollars per range and there’s a rush to move society away from the dysfunctional standard. Banks start taking Bitcoin deposits, Bitcoin hedge funds pop up everywhere..."
ThickAsThieves: i hate you for being so damn right sometimes
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: i disclaim all liability.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00206073 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: still waiting for the Feds to kiss your ring tho
ThickAsThieves: “This is the environment where Bitcoin could go to $1m. There is no qualitative reason, but it is trending. If I could own Bitcoin, I would. If I own 3D printing, it is just the same thing”
ThickAsThieves: http://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/news/2310184/hendry-i-would-buy-bitcoin-if-i-could
ozbot: Hendry: I would buy Bitcoin if I could
ThickAsThieves: Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter at a time when policy is misaligned, emphasising instead the ‘feedback loops’ created by US quantitative easing.
ThickAsThieves: more decent words in there too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001952 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00205658 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00206538 = 0.1136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34001002 = 1.36 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/knc-sells-8-million-in-miners-2013-11
ozbot: KnC Sells $8 Million In Miners - Business Insider
ThickAsThieves: "Lawn also claims KnC customers already create 70% of the bitcoins mined in a day. We can't verify that claim."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.0020666 = 0.3637 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1491455/plain
kakobrekla: dafuq is dis shit
kakobrekla: also link dont work.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00207739 = 0.2389 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: •Users will have the opportunity to list their real companies on Seventh Continent Market starting III.Q.2014.
kakobrekla: what is this glbse #5
kakobrekla: ininininception
nubbins`: morning
kakobrekla: heya
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.33713866 = 1.3486 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=7C ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: IPOz!
nubbins`: i don't get it
nubbins`: is it like farmville for walmart products?
ThickAsThieves: hrm i need to decipher this
nubbins`: certainly can't do so via their "info" website :(
nubbins`: i thought there already were seven continents, anyway?
ThickAsThieves: best i can tell,
ThickAsThieves: it's Second Life
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine, a skill based market place where players accumulate fame and fortune stands a chance of being a real success.
nubbins`: ah, so farmville with leaderboards
ThickAsThieves: "When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine"
ThickAsThieves: priceless
nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends
ThickAsThieves: would be nice to have a gameplay vid or more cogent explanation of what it is
nubbins`: yeah, brutal document
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00081374 = 5.8182 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: offering is 250000 @ .0077
ThickAsThieves: no info on what each share represents
ll: ;;calc 0.0077*250000
gribble: 1925
nubbins`: $2mn
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 1925*1130
gribble: 2175250
ThickAsThieves: any guesses on what % of the co that represents?
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna say 25%
ThickAsThieves: oh i found more info
ThickAsThieves: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=43
ThickAsThieves: heh,
ThickAsThieves: the 250k shares represent 8.25% of the co
ThickAsThieves: 23,100btc valuation
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 23100*1130
gribble: 26103000
ThickAsThieves: fuck me
ThickAsThieves: they call it a IPFO
ThickAsThieves: no one wants to use my IPVO term :(
kakobrekla: i dunno why you all feel the need to stick extra letters inthere
kakobrekla: its silly.
ThickAsThieves: its a legal thing
mike_c: see, the extra letter will protect you from the authorities
kakobrekla: yes, V makes it all legal.
ThickAsThieves: cuz idiots may claim they thought it would be a real wall st IPO or such
kakobrekla: lulz
mike_c: they will be like, "ohhhh, it was *virtual*"
ThickAsThieves: well no
mike_c: i can't figure out what the F stands for
kakobrekla: V stands for Vendatta
ThickAsThieves: the V is for virtual currency
kakobrekla: Vendetta
kakobrekla: or whatever
ThickAsThieves: Fund
ThickAsThieves: cmon
mike_c: ah
ThickAsThieves: Havelock calls everything a Fund
mike_c: of course, it's a fund, not a company. perfect sense.
kakobrekla: initial public vendetta offering
kakobrekla: completley legal.
mike_c: havelock has strange meanings for a lot of terms
ThickAsThieves: there are real names and headshots in the PDF
ThickAsThieves: and linkedin links
kakobrekla: oh that changes everything, headshots.
mike_c: one of them has a suit and tie on. i'm sold.
kakobrekla: run if you see beard
ThickAsThieves: no beards
ThickAsThieves: but one guy has two first names AND a suit
nubbins`: michael scott?
kakobrekla: the whole thing is silly.
mike_c: the ceo spent 14 years as a lecturer. no tenure for him!
kakobrekla: more letters more coolness
kakobrekla: same as with share count.
chaang-noi: hi all
nubbins`: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2013-0-5-BTC-Brass-Casascius-Physical-Bitcoin-REDEEMED-/331076143888?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d15ad0b10&_uhb=1
ozbot: 2013 0 5 BTC Brass Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed | eBay
nubbins`: hi goat
ThickAsThieves: so it's just a piece of imprinted brass?
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: yes
ThickAsThieves: lel indeed
ThickAsThieves: good for you though!
nubbins`: good for the guy who was buying redeemed coins hand-over-fist on the forums a few months back
ThickAsThieves: better than if he bought real btc?
ThickAsThieves: i'm skeptical
ThickAsThieves: but possible i guess
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i can't imagine he paid more than $10-20 per
nubbins`: and they seem to be selling on ebay for $140+, regardless of denomination
ThickAsThieves: scam ammo is what they are
ThickAsThieves: scammo
dexX7: not cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34999988 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
chaang-noi: i have like 10 of these...
nubbins`: at first i thought it was just idiots not realizing they were unfunded
chaang-noi: if i get some time ill list that stuff on ebay lol
nubbins`: but i mean, i put REDEEMED in the title
chaang-noi: redeemed is a tricky word
nubbins`: and one third of the item description is in big red letters saying "NO HOLOGRAM, NO BITCOINS"
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty explicit in the description
chaang-noi: yeah, that is hard to miss, lol
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: honestly, i think it's people that fully understand what they're buying
nubbins`: and we're just underestimating the demand for them within the general public
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 284 @ 0.00328249 = 0.9322 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5031 @ 0.00010127 = 0.5095 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02654311 = 0.8494 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00009617 = 0.1346 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: well it says "physical bitcoin ... containing no bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: bitfunder.com is replaced with text update
ThickAsThieves: Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience.
ThickAsThieves: The website will be back online after all changes have been completed and checked on or by Dec 4th for viewing and records.
ThickAsThieves: of course i have pending xfers i cant verify...
ThickAsThieves: (migrations)
nubbins`: dexX7: wasn't sure what else to call them, also, you'd need to be full retard to assume it contains value
nubbins`: gotta draw the line somewhere, otherwise you end up having your description read "DO NOT heat this coin with a blowtorch for a half hour and lay it on the tip of your penis" etc
dexX7: well i rather think the buy just has no clue
dexX7: "it's a bitcoin, i want it"
nubbins`: shrug, there's only so much i can do
nubbins`: i'm just trying to serve the legitimate brass token collector market
dexX7: huh?
dexX7: are you the seller?
mike_c: have you sold any yet? get any bad feedback?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: yes, that's my auction
dexX7: you're mean
nubbins`: haven't sold any yet, i was only foolish enough to peel the holo off one
nubbins`: dexX7: i am not!
dexX7: also selling overpriced preorder items :p
nubbins`: read the description
mike_c: you'll know what they are thinking by whether they flame you on ebay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3214 @ 0.00009518 = 0.3059 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: a full one-third of the three-line description is in bright red
dexX7: haha no, it's fine. as you said, you are filling the demand.
nubbins`: i tried to retard-proof it as best i could
nubbins`: and i have, in fact, had a few people cancel their bids
dexX7: the only misleading line is "physical bitcoin" imo
dexX7: though people tried similar stuff earlier.. like selling "iphone box without iphone inside" and got burned
nubbins`: ah, i see what you're saying
nubbins`: not sure how better to describe it tho
nubbins`: 2013 0.5 btc brass casascius round that has a bitcoin logo on it - REDEEMED
dexX7: lol
nubbins`: know what i mean?
dexX7: yea
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Souvenir?
dexX7: collectors item
dexX7: instead of souvenir
ThickAsThieves: Great way to scam noobs! Buy now!
nubbins`: heh
dexX7: hmm.. casascius calls them physical bitcoins, too
nubbins`: dexX7: :)
nubbins`: even though some of them are only physical half-bitcoins!
ThickAsThieves: you can go to the ghetto and sell them as "stolen bitcoins"
ThickAsThieves: real cheap!
nubbins`: heh
dexX7: "Good condition, was only recently redeemed." ... as if the redemption date is linked to the condition :p
nubbins`: dexX7: i ran out of things to say ;(
dexX7: i think this was intentional
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the real money would be in coating steel slugs in gold leaf and calling them "unfunded gold coins"
dexX7: what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00311741 = 0.1902 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: dexX7: i'd invite him to read the item description
nubbins`: and if he feels he's been wronged, to open a dispute claim
dexX7: woah lol http://www.ebay.ca/sch/Other-/257/i.html is full of x-coins
nubbins`: not much else i can do :)
nubbins`: oh wow, it really is, hey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34998998 = 0.7 BTC [-]
dexX7: time for a new category like "digital coins"
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter << he has a point, if perhaps sorely misstated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00311122 = 0.1276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <dexX7> what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue? <<< point him to bitbet faq ?
dexX7: haha yea
dexX7: i was thinking about you when i raised the q :D
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=9ua7hcm438d8vbnfn5b7ocdp84&topic=271711.msg3793984#msg3793984
nubbins`: http://www.vice.com/read/romania-pungeti-anti-fracking-protests-chevron
ozbot: Romanian Villagers Managed to Keep Fracking Out of Their Backyard | VICE United States
ThickAsThieves: For reference, the final Bitfunder.com shareholder list (unofficial) https://btct.co/history-bitfunder/2013-12-03-05%3A30-bitfunder-assetlist.html
ThickAsThieves: just in case anyone needs it
Diablo-D3: bintfunder is finally shut down?
mircea_popescu: tghe final unofficial list ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3401002 = 1.0203 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wait. on btctco ?!
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: burnsy kept tabs
Apocalyptic: "Honey, even Namecoin is "worth something" these days." // can't be believe she actually thinks Namecoin is worse than XRP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.34006363 = 3.7407 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i only saved my own list for my own securities
ThickAsThieves: btct.co only backed up every 30min
ThickAsThieves: so it's possible the list is a lil wrong
ThickAsThieves: if someone did any share xfers in the last 30m
ThickAsThieves: and of course it's unofficial, so thats another consideration
nubbins`: y'know, the shitty thing about being a business that accepts bitcoin is that none of my suppliers accept it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11489999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which is the real achievement reddites should be going for
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: she ?! what female are we discussing ?
ThickAsThieves: so tired of "I convinced my aunt to accept btc for her maid services!"
ThickAsThieves: support her and buy some!
nubbins`: i mean, good for me if i print things for btc; bad for me when i have to immediately cash out btc income in order to pay for inks and paper
ThickAsThieves: so try
nubbins`: your logic has no place here!
nubbins`: ;p
nubbins`: i don't know of any wholesale suppliers that accept btc
nubbins`: in any industry
mircea_popescu: but if they did accept btc ... it'd be still at the fiat equiv
nubbins`: well yeah, you're just moving it up a level
mircea_popescu: the idea is to be fiat rich and just take the losses.
thestringpuller: fiat rich is so 1800's
nubbins`: now they're immediately cashing out for fiat too, because the cotton farms don't accept btc
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you can always store profits in btc
ThickAsThieves: yes but if you get vendors accepting, you start creating a closed loop
nubbins`: too true, and in fact we do
ThickAsThieves: and that coin maybe never becomes fiat
nubbins`: tat, too true, it's a hard sell tho
thestringpuller: yea so if you store your profits in coin, and liquidate coins to pay expenses no payable directly by btc what does it really matter?
ThickAsThieves: a useful service would be one that auto bought ccoins you spent i guess
ThickAsThieves: but that feels like a band-aid
thestringpuller: ;;calc (120 - 50) / 120
gribble: 0.583333333333
pankkake: what kind of industries could be "in a bitcoin loop" the easiest?
thestringpuller: ;;calc (110 - 50) / 110
gribble: 0.545454545455
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
nubbins`: ah, not really sure
thestringpuller: $avg
mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
thestringpuller: >:(
nubbins`: the problem is that in any industry, at some point up the chain, you find a business who simply is not willing to take the risk of accepting btc
nubbins`: fine for small businesses
nubbins`: large corps have shareholders to answer to
nubbins`: if they lose their shirts because of a price fluctuation, people lose their jobs
nubbins`: few people in the corporate world are willing to risk that
ThickAsThieves: yet they hold fiat!
ThickAsThieves: :)
mircea_popescu: since we're doing irrelevant sites : http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/
nubbins`: oh, hey, we have an alliance now?
nubbins`: brutal color scheme, looks like a video game forum
ThickAsThieves: "merchant outreach"
mircea_popescu: that's because it IS a videogame forum
mircea_popescu: bitcoin = videogame gold, online political organisation = forum
ThickAsThieves: nub ask them wherefor the Vendor Outreach
zboralski: who played EVE Online here?
mircea_popescu: zboralski http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoins-eve-corporation/
mircea_popescu: we're billionaires, you kiddin' ?
zboralski: mircea_popescu: that's cool
ThickAsThieves: hey look, an excuse to visit Canadia http://www.bitcoinalliance.ca/_in_cryptography_we_trust_canada_s_first_bitcoin_expo_coming_in_2014
ThickAsThieves: nub are you East or West?
zboralski: mircea_popescu: you should advertise on my forums.
mircea_popescu: sure.
zboralski: mircea_popescu: I'll give you resident access so you can post.
zboralski: https://www.kugutsumen.com
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tyhe best part is the dorklist oops i mean leadership
mircea_popescu: zboralski where do advertisements go ?
zboralski: just register and tell me your username... Once you have resident access you can post in the recruitment forum https://www.kugutsumen.com/forumdisplay.php?31-Recruitment-Forum
zboralski: are you familiar with Kugutsumen?
ThickAsThieves: "A technical expert with management skills, Pakosh is a serial entrepreneur with a 30-year record of identifying trends"
ThickAsThieves: "Holmes is the Business Development Manager at CaVirtex, the leading Canadian Bitcoin exchange. "
mircea_popescu: "The leadership of the Bitcoin Alliance of Canada consists of 6 board members, each being selected by an independent election committee of Bitcoin enthusiasts from across Canada."
mircea_popescu: zboralski not at all.
zboralski: I was banned from EVE Online in 2007
ThickAsThieves: how can they get consensus without asking nubbins?
zboralski: Slashdot: "Should MMOG 'Play' Be Confined?"
zboralski: Slashdot: "CCP Speaks on Allegations of Misconduct in Eve"
zboralski: Slashdot: "EVE Devs Admit To Misconduct"
mircea_popescu: so substantively, what was the controversy/misconduct/we ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they asked their resident delusionist.
mircea_popescu: there are two types of kings in the world : those who have a collection of various mages, and those who have a delusionist.
pankkake: you can get banned from a video game?
zboralski: one of the directors of Band of Brothers was a dev and was cheating by printing tech 2 BPOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00010963 = 0.9867 BTC [+] {5}
zboralski: pankkake: in that video game... you can have some russian guy come to your house to cut the power and kill you inside the game :D http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475
mircea_popescu: zboralski o you're the guy that broke the bob / eve thing ?
pankkake: haha, awesome
zboralski: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: nice.
mircea_popescu: the power cutting business did happen, and the ships in question are hardly worth 10 btc.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: as east as you can get
TomServo: Heh: Detroit eligible for bankruptcy protection: US judge
ThickAsThieves: cool, i enjoyed my last trip there, but it was a looong time ago, as a touring punk
ThickAsThieves: i intend to go back
nubbins`: montreal is where the party is
mircea_popescu: TomServo why not lol. it
mircea_popescu: s a sovereign corporation. best of both worlds.
zboralski: reading your 1BTC post, fun concept...
TomServo: Ha. I guess why not would be when the rest are pissed they don't get the chance.
zboralski: definately post it on k.com
mircea_popescu: anyway, ten ton hammer etc keep sucking eve's cock, i'm curious what will they say once eulora is out.
mircea_popescu: TomServo but it encourages the rest to simply move to mpex and give the fiat world the finger.
diametric: ohh eve players.
diametric: its been a while since I played.
zboralski: diametric: who did you play with?
mircea_popescu: zboralski so you still playing ?
diametric: TEST at it's height
diametric: was a lot of fun, I also played in Goons as well with a few accounts.
diametric: I think at my most addictive moment I had almost a dozen accounts going...
zboralski: nah, I tried at one point but it is not fun if people recognize me I get banned again.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Since when do you give anything in the US that much credit? :)
mircea_popescu: TomServo well, they do have the chance :)
zboralski: I was in Pandemic Legion... My alt was the executor.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly so years later when they're butthurt all over the interwebs i can link them to old pages and lol
diametric: zboralski: oh cool, flew a lot with PL when the HBC was formed
diametric: fun guys
zboralski: diametric: do you have an account on kugu?
diametric: nah i never posted much, was entertaining to read though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 317 @ 0.00206049 = 0.6532 BTC [+] {4}
diametric: I do miss being in fleets and having a massive blob
diametric: but I hear TEST has gone to FW after the moon redistribution or whatever.. I haven't played for over a year now.
zboralski: the last time I played I hijacked a dev account and couldn't figure out how to get out of that Jove system which didn't have any gates.
diametric: haha
nubbins`: all this is beyond me
nubbins`: i'm not bad at mario kart tho D:
diametric: mircea_popescu: i hear you also play (or played?) some eve.
zboralski: a lot of people on k.com don't play anymore.
zboralski: the discussions are fun.
diametric: the most fun I had was scamming people
KRS|gotyawallet: hehe
mircea_popescu: diametric well i run the bitcoin corp thingee. i don't play so much, mostly market stuff.
diametric: TEST space rental scams. Fountain had some really good ratting and people would pay top dollar to "rent" from me
zboralski: corp robbery with a freighter was fun too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206031 = 0.3976 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: I have a friend like that, I don't think he's been in space except to move between hubs and manage his orders.
mircea_popescu: i'm often in a shuttle
mircea_popescu: but w/e, i occasionally fly a mk1 ferrox, just, been kinda busy these motnhs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00206489 = 0.3572 BTC [+] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: so i hear
mircea_popescu: the game is notoriously boring, as far as the actual gameplay goes.
mircea_popescu: wtf, it's barely at the level of a 1990 atari game.
mircea_popescu: roughly elite, if you've played that.
diametric: its the meta games that are fun
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/have-you-played-elite-back-in-the-80s/
ozbot: Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: they totally should bring back manual docking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206479 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ud docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: docking
nubbins`: agreed
mircea_popescu: ew.
nubbins`: hahaha
benkay: they'd have to implement proper orbital dynamics first
mircea_popescu: no dude, attaching your ship to the spacestation.
thestringpuller: nubbins` come on dude
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: benkay it's funny that the game requires the playerbase to use a lot of math, which the developers themselves can't apply.
TomServo: No, not that one!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if you want something that realistic you should play kerbal space program
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1371 @ 0.00207752 = 2.8483 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: elite had it!
benkay: ksp is brutal.
thestringpuller: kerbal space program has manual docking :P
diametric: thestringpuller: KSP is amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
diametric: KSP has manual everything.
thestringpuller: lol true dat
mircea_popescu: mgs ?
mircea_popescu: does it have MGS!!1
nubbins`: manual anything is great
nubbins`: fuck computers
nubbins`: seriously, have you ever taken pictures with a holga?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` good luck with your tomograph.
mircea_popescu: and no, i had a smecma.
nubbins`: ah, no, i don't get sick
nubbins`: judging by past perfmance, i'll never need one
nubbins`: ;|
thestringpuller: ;;google mgs
gribble: METAL GEAR SOLID: <http://metalgearsolid.com/>; Metal Gear Solid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid>; MGS: Stainless steel Eco-friendly Faucets for the Kitchen, Bath and ...: <http://www.mgstaps.com/>
thestringpuller: that's what mgs means to me
thestringpuller: and most people :P
mircea_popescu: mgs = manual genital stimulation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00212179 = 0.2589 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?complete=0&q=smena << and this is the smena.
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: it has mgs AND docking?!
nubbins`: s/manual/mutual
mircea_popescu: even winding is separated from shutter cocking!
nubbins`: yah, same w/ holga
nubbins`: take a triple exposure, advance a half-frame, take a double, etc
nubbins`: such fun
nubbins`: you could load 35mm and expose images over the sprocket holes
mircea_popescu: you could actually use cinematic 35mm film too,
mircea_popescu: or you could make your own
benkay: man
benkay: you guys actually like fucking around with atoms
benkay: i don't get it
benkay: the only atoms i want to fuck with are warm and concave
kakobrekla: the pussy element?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey was that chick in fifth element somalian too ?
benkay: Va
mircea_popescu: mila jovovich
kakobrekla: from the south
kakobrekla: im like fucking north to them!
mircea_popescu: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0021249 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: She considers herself both Russian and Montenegrin
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it be montenegrette ?
kakobrekla: :))
kakobrekla: yep
mircea_popescu: she could sing non, je ne regrete rien
mircea_popescu: pas meme etre montenegrette...
KRS|gotyawallet: that bitch from 5th element was fawking hawt
kakobrekla: baked only once though
KRS|gotyawallet: any more dting?
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet only while pubescent. luc besson got obsessed with her, cast her as joan of arc and she sucked balls.
KRS|gotyawallet: rly
KRS|gotyawallet: they all go to hell after that period i guess
KRS|gotyawallet: almost
KRS|gotyawallet: did she ever do pron
pankkake: like Natalie Portman?
mircea_popescu: nothing public.
KRS|gotyawallet: natalie portman had that submissive thing going
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting back on topic for just a moment, from what i'm seeing the internet metal bugs are actually beginning to move to crypto.
mircea_popescu: their butthurt at their idol's failure having just about healed past denial
pankkake: I've been infiltrating a private silverbug forum
Apocalyptic: pankkake, let us know how it goes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.002125 = 0.4526 BTC [+]
benkay: i want there to be at least 3 btc-related jewelry providers
benkay: that way i can split a wallet across 3 items of decorate
benkay: drape each on a babe
benkay: and ball bitcoin
KRS|gotyawallet: http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/natalie-portman-bent-over-nude
ozbot: Natalie Portman Bent Over Nude
KRS|gotyawallet: you can almost smell it
pankkake: lol no
pankkake: natalie portman doesn't do much for me - except in Léon
kleeck: Oh, when she's 12?
kleeck: That's telling.
KRS|gotyawallet: haha
KRS|gotyawallet: she was hawt during star wars
pankkake: I am pretty sure she was in the wet dreams of many boys at that time
pankkake: she was boring in star wars
pankkake: and that scene in the fields… wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.002125 = 0.2656 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet that's not her, get outta here.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i dunno, that little boy look...
pankkake: I don't remember her like that
pankkake: http://superiorpics.com/movie_pictures/mp/1994_Leon_the_Professional/L_Natalie_Portman_076.jpg
pankkake: she even has a collar!
mircea_popescu: it s a choker lol
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i guess i must have confused it with some other movie
kleeck: Yeah. I'm not arroused by that image.
pankkake: yeah choker. well, still, I like chokers :)
pankkake: me neither. it's a sentimal thing
mircea_popescu: chokers are cool.
mircea_popescu: chokers, corsets, garters an' heels.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel welcome.
pankkake: garters is the only thing I don't like
pankkake: they look stupid
pankkake: ands give me an "old" feeling
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11199999 BTC [-]
benkay: stephengandel: just lurking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1135 = 0.227 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272883 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 868573144.388 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.78244
mircea_popescu: benkay he's probably not found the bottom bar to type in yet
mircea_popescu: give the man time :D
benkay: the internet is for user interfaces
benkay: /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/images/xnatalie_portman_facial.jpg.pagespeed.ic.c--jPUhJTe.jpg
stephengandel: You are right. Got it now. Hello.
stephengandel: rereading FAQ before I ask question
mircea_popescu: stephengandel don't sweat it, the internet is for
mircea_popescu: trying shit out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00212498 = 0.2486 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: I collect actual scientific evidence like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6267901/Chemical-in-sperm-may-slow-ageing-process.html
mircea_popescu: actual science from telegraph.co ?
mircea_popescu: got a lot of daily mail in your treasure chest ?
stephengandel: Is the fee to open an account still 30 BTCs?
mircea_popescu: yes.
pankkake: how about MIT?! http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N5/undress.html
benkay: there are brokers, though stephengandel
mircea_popescu: pankkake this is why you keep a bottle of nice cognac or tuica or w/e on hand.
stephengandel: So, $30,000? Can you short bitcoins through a broker?
thestringpuller: .................
thestringpuller: *palm to face*
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: coinbr.com
pankkake: options are available through the broker
kleeck: "But, as with many things in life, you have to just suck it up and do it, which is why I’m here to make a case for swallowing spooge."
benkay: yup. MPOE prices options on bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel depends of what your idea of shorting bitcoins is like. but you can buy puts through a broker, yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002125 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: jurov may let you short on margin
benkay: stephengandel: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.P185T for example. but note that the option is on lots of .1 btc
mircea_popescu: i think namworld was doing it at some point at least.
benkay: stephengandel: to clarify thestringpuller's comment, jurov runs http://coinbr.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0008116 = 20.29 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: $avg
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: !ticker
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: jesus the whole system is breaking down.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1137.20838, Best ask: 1137.99994, Bid-ask spread: 0.79156, Last trade: 1137.99994, 24 hour volume: 23590.84962476, 24 hour low: 1046.99999, 24 hour high: 1185.77338, 24 hour vwap: 1115.72103
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00212899 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell smickles hey, tactm changed bitcoincharts api json url cause he could. gotta use http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000575 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1221.600000000000 USD = 1.05419399379 BTC
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you know, you write a lot. i thought the job of the senior editor is more along the lines of throwing out the hard work of all the junior editors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 666 @ 0.0021362 = 1.4227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 524 @ 0.00214775 = 1.1254 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1942 @ 0.00228754 = 4.4424 BTC [+] {4}
stephengandel: should be. Sorry just got a call from an unhappy Wall Street PR guy.
stephengandel: reading again now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 894 @ 0.00244619 = 2.1869 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.0024743 = 0.5666 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56443 @ 0.00081489 = 45.9948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00081642 = 3.7204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00247999 = 0.434 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:12f6abe25d7cb14f088f737e75749f27e97964533753251ca2eb4ee3
assbot: 123!
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: 796
assbot: 123!
nubbins`: amazing 796
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: 123!
mircea_popescu: omg leave britney alone.
nubbins`: lel
jborkl: Where is the amazing company?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Quote: http://dpaste.com/1491666/plain/
nubbins`: !quote 2
nubbins`: ah, oh well
mircea_popescu: bah these forum digests are indigest.
mircea_popescu: you know i think the drama engine is getting old.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe swap out the motor with one from a dump truck? Might make the drama more fun to drive.
mircea_popescu: it strikes me that maybe not many years later we will look upon the early days with nostalgia, drowned in a sea of banal crap.
mircea_popescu: and like the proverbial soviet geezers we'll go "do you remember how great it was back when it was horribly bad ?"
jborkl: I can sum it up for you 1. I can't get my blade to hash 2. I lost ma bitcoin 3. I have a amazing company (give me bitcoin)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: jborkl pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the redditization of bitcoin drama
pankkake: 2. I lost my bitcoin PLEASE DONATE
jborkl: ^
jborkl: legal fund PLEASE DONATE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00247999 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, i should prolly have pr make a trhead, MPOE BONDS LOST 3K LAST MONTH~!11 plz donate.
pankkake: who's crazy enough to fund these?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i think some of the older people with actual wallets send a little just out of sheer trollery
mircea_popescu: say a bitcent or w/e
jborkl: Mechs is trying to sell his just-dice acct, the investor balance is -478 ~
kakobrekla: lolwat
Apocalyptic: sounds legit
mircea_popescu: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 8816 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 315.35 mio bets, 4.55 mio BTC wagered
jborkl: yeah, so the first 478 of profit is non commision
mircea_popescu: ah ah
mircea_popescu: so the value there is 1% of 478 btc minus whatever discount ?
mircea_popescu: this is more than the average car.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00247999 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
jborkl: 10% i think is the commision rate
mircea_popescu: o they hiked it ?
mircea_popescu: then it's definitely more than the average car.
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago
jborkl: so ~48 btc
mircea_popescu: wait. it stands at ~9k profit with 10% fees?!
mircea_popescu: o wait nm, the 10% out of the 1% huh.
jborkl: yes
jborkl: so, it would require a large investment to make it worth buying for any amount
jborkl: so, not a bad deal for that scenario
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 507 @ 0.00247999 = 1.2574 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: is it safe to login to the forums again?
kakobrekla: it was prolly never safe
mircea_popescu: well... as safe as it's ever been...
kakobrekla: first.
mircea_popescu: dammit
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491676/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 6 ✂︎
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.03732936 = 37.3294 BTC [-]
pankkake: not safe for your brain. yet again we have a guy who thinks btc "inaccessible" and thus wants altcoins. and another guy who wants to buy a miner. both never had any bitcoin
pankkake: can we just switch to mbtc?
benkay: satoshis.
kakobrekla: a handfulls
mircea_popescu: that was fast.
benkay: the limit of the process is inevitable.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, let's switch to mSatoshis and have the media talk about how much Bitcoin crashed
mircea_popescu: pankkake looky. some people think mpex is inaccesible and so go flock on btctctetc
mircea_popescu: this isn;'t a bad thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1850 @ 0.03662533 = 67.7569 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: not the same at all. you don't need one bitcoin
pankkake: but you need one mpex
mircea_popescu: who doesn't need a bitcoin ?
jborkl: it is funny how people still bitch about the way MPEX looks
mircea_popescu: is this going to be some sort of "all you need is love" thing ?
mike_c: is mechs trustworthy? no wot with that name.
pankkake: :/
jborkl: flying rainbow unicorn
mircea_popescu: jborkl can you imagine how the nyse would look if they'd get a call in the matter ?
mircea_popescu: obamacare v2.
jborkl: yeah, no shit
jborkl: gotta make the graphics look good, oh wat it doesnt work- amazing graphics
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: http://culthub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/amazon-first-gateway-page.jpg
mike_c: "no reserve" != "starting bid is 4btc"
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1278 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.7106% in 6d 18h 25m 42s
mircea_popescu: mike_c they do this thing where they announce a "starting bid" but it's not the actual starting bid
mircea_popescu: i've seen this.
jborkl: Mike, it does not matter if he is trustworthy- just have dooglus hold the escrow
mircea_popescu: in this parallel universe you can have an auction with a "starting bid" of 1 and a "reserve" of 10 which means that unless it reaches 10 the item doesn't sell.
mike_c: ok, thanks
pankkake: well, that's the ebay universe
mike_c: mircea_popescu: sometimes they take the reserve off if it isn't met
pankkake: secret reserves are so annoying
mike_c: so there can be value in bidding under the reserve
mircea_popescu: mike_c should be a crime if you ask me.
mike_c: yeah, its dumb
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was once with this chick who actually lived off going to no name auctions
mircea_popescu: and buying crap she resold in her shop and online
mircea_popescu: i nearly fell over laughing, all the housewives being all business-serious and bidding a hundred on some lamp
mircea_popescu: more like a tupperware party than an auction, but anyway.
pankkake: well, she provides some convenience for buyers, it's valuable
pankkake: once I bought a full pc, I accidentaly broke the motherboard, sold off the parts, got more money :|
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake the people filling captchas by hand also provide some convenience for some buyers.
mike_c: pc arbitrage, nice.
kakobrekla: you should break more stuff
mircea_popescu: i'll beat that story : a major romanian retailer bought ~100 laptops off a competitor, which the competitor was selling discounted,
mircea_popescu: to return on their own (more permissive) return policy.
pankkake: but it's also how you sell it. if you're a trusted seller, have nice pics, description, it gets higher
mircea_popescu: this was done by the actual owner packing the laptops in his own personal car.
mircea_popescu: i think the total loot for this grand scheme was around 5k or so.
pankkake: haha. that's why retailers usually put max orders and only allow individuals
mircea_popescu: myeah. HP could simply not believe the story.
mircea_popescu: "nigga, they did what ?!"
mircea_popescu: anywya. there's definitely a living to be earned doing this sort of hussling.
mircea_popescu: a lot of busywork it is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00248 = 0.3968 BTC [+]
benkay: true of most real-world arbitrage
dexX7: hmmm https://www.bitrated.com/
mircea_popescu: benkay depends. consider the famous case of the ltcm
stephengandel: OK. So if I am going to short one bitcoin, or a fraction of a bitcoin, it makes more sense for me to go through a broker than do it with MPeX. Is that right?
kleeck: http://www.nzweek.com/world/china/china-exclusive-china-detains-bitcoin-fraud-suspects-102598/
ozbot: China Exclusive: China detains Bitcoin fraud suspects - NZweek
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel if your budged is in the bitcoin range, and your technical sophistication low you are best served by a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: think of mpex as the nyse, which is what it is. for most purposes you won't acquire a seat in the pit.
mike_c: *served by a broker
mircea_popescu: mike_c oops right.
stephengandel: gotcha
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Yup. Coinbr, the broker does their opions on MPEx. As Mircea says though just holding the bitcoin may be the wiser course of action.
mircea_popescu: "A 29-year-old suspect surnamed Liu allegedly began operating GBL trading platform on May 27 of this year, according to police in Dongyang City in east China’s Zhejiang Province."
mircea_popescu: kleeck kickass.
kleeck: :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if he expects a drop then holding the bitcoin isn't particularly wise.
kleeck: Hope to soon have a similar article involving Armandi and Tatti. :D
stephengandel: gotcha. Will give it a try and let you know how it goes.
stephengandel: Do you think bitcoins will drop?
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you can also review the mpex monthly reports to see about how option trading has fared historically. a count of sold/bought contracts by the bot is provided in each
dexX7: they were quite fast. shut down oct 26, not even 2 months later some results
mircea_popescu: stephengandel someone sold a lot of calls short yesterday, right before the drop.
benkay: stephengandel: this is a channel of people who expect bitcoin to be the world reserve currency.
mircea_popescu: it proved do be only temporary, they may end up with a loss.
mircea_popescu: it's a very volatile market.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 if the chinese also shoot them, i'll be very impressed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. In daytrading adventures though I was burned in february waiting for a crash or Flashcrash that never happened. Nao I hedge and bet to hedge, but largely hold things.
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
jcpham: http://fuckbitcoin.com/
ozbot: fuck.bitcoin. | Damn this magic internet money
jcpham: work in progress
BingoBoingo: What is happening nao reminds me of when we passed silver dangling just below that target. Except now there isn't an Usagi swearing it won't happen.
mircea_popescu: yay. did you make it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43500627.jpg
kakobrekla: dude
kakobrekla: i bought one for 5
kakobrekla: or was it 3
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just remembered that the usagi fellow was all over the many evil people who i was payying to contradict him.
jcpham: share your story
kakobrekla: dis shit is not funny to me!
mircea_popescu: i should have the girl dig that up
jcpham: once the contact page works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
stephengandel: Sorry to be stupid about this: where can I see that someone sold calls? where are the monthly mpex reports? Which one of the contracts on your site should I be looking at?
jcpham: this has only been a thing for about an hour now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.1619935 = 1.134 BTC [+]
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177747.msg2409842#msg2409842 thankfully I never went further. but I remember the response "you are beginning to get a picture of how much financial damage Deprived has caused me"
ozbot: [BitFunder] TU.SILVER -- News & Reports
pankkake: so he's not blaming MP!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was one of my first long thread reads on Bitcointalk.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you're not being stupid by not knowing ; reports are in http://trilema.com/category/mpex/
stephengandel: thanks.
mircea_popescu: you can see someone sold calls if you look either in the log of this chan (ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com) or else on the site.
mircea_popescu: the yellow bar on the small graph next to O.USD.C050T
stephengandel: MPOE November statement. Is that where I should be looking?
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's for november.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.1619999 = 2.106 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: they go all the way to iirc february 2012
mike_c: stephengandel: 7,443 of these calls traded this month from mpex.co http://imgur.com/YnwH7PW
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Planning anything big for March 2015 when MPEx becomes more than half as old as the Bitcoin network?
mircea_popescu: why isn;t the trudy chick suing me ;/
mircea_popescu: fucking artists with their complicated shoes. impossible to get a hold of. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hadn't thought of it...
mircea_popescu: is it legal for bitcoin ventures to plan one year in advance even ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I don't see why not? The only authority in Bitcoin is signed contracts.
mircea_popescu: i was just being sarcastic.
mircea_popescu: "I have alot of respect for you man. I may want to pick your brain
mircea_popescu: throughout my adventure. If you have any openings or any available tasks I
mircea_popescu: might be able to help you with that will help me gain some valuable
mircea_popescu: experience, please do let me know."
mircea_popescu: i need to start doing something where people can help ;/
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZeOUI2zEbo
ozbot: The Crimson Permanent Assurance - Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life" - YouTube
kakobrekla: worth rewatching.
mike_c: have him fix the html encoding on the trilema footnotes
mircea_popescu: they're broklen !?
mike_c: like, forever
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPN3KTtrnZM
mircea_popescu: mike_c i only do that sorta shit with womenz.
kakobrekla: mhm :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33601001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bsMGsBjWc << this is actually what i should be doing
ozbot: Monty Python Silly Job Interview Sketch - YouTube
kakobrekla: dat first link is mpex invading nyse
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00247 = 0.3285 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: complete with whips and everything huh
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: mhm
mircea_popescu: so here's a random thought : about a year and a half ago i bought a pair of bitcoin engraved cufflinks from a guy that did a custom cufflink run
mircea_popescu: they're nothing special, brass, kinda nice.
mircea_popescu: they cost, i find reviewing my records, 3 btc and 25 cents.
kakobrekla: yep
mircea_popescu: this brass has cost me about 2 grams of gold per gram.
mircea_popescu: by BingoBoingo's 2015 megaparty they'd better be diamond studded and made out of frozen panda tears.
kakobrekla: and i drive half a mio usd car.
mircea_popescu: well at least it has injection.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine by 2022 on the 10th anniversary of MPEx the diamonds would be synthesized from the panda tears.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, wait until bentley figures out that there's these dudes who routinely pay 500k for a car and don't even expect it to fly.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've always preferred the 500 usd cars. It's hard to feel guilty when you make them fly.
mircea_popescu: actually... we should probably count our blessings. once the rest of the world figures out there's billionaires hanging out on irc kakobrekla will be spending his days doing nothing but banning salesmen in here.
kakobrekla: double lol.
mircea_popescu: a 500 btc carpal tunnel!
pankkake: I'm sure there are automated ways to catch salesman
nubbins`: i've smoked things that would now be worth 6 grams of gold per gram
nubbins`: feels great
mircea_popescu: someone should ipo a Topless Salesman Catching Brigade.
mircea_popescu: like gaddafi's ukrainian nurses,
mircea_popescu: except for butts.
thestringpuller: are we all laughing at 7C yet?
thestringpuller: or should i come back?
nubbins`: we did briefly earlier today
mircea_popescu: come back, 1 year!
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2013#403225 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
thestringpuller: lololol
pankkake: I haven't understood what 7C is yet
nubbins`: nobody has
pankkake: but I don't think I want to anymore
BingoBoingo: So 7C is basically if farmville was Euloria, but with USD revenue and Facebook?
mircea_popescu: it's like 1btc, i thought, except havelock listed it for some reason.
pankkake: havelock clearly hasn't done their job
pankkake: well, they want the monies
nubbins`: ^
ll: ;;calc 373.52591376/400000
gribble: 0.0009338147844
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34933745 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
jborkl: nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends < awesome
jborkl: isn't that just -otc and the forum
nubbins`: i have brief moments of lucidity
nubbins`: jborkl: it's a lot of things.
jborkl: ah only a 23,000 btc valuation
nubbins`: yeah, total lowball
nubbins`: considering buying entire company with spare change, etc
pankkake: I have this http://i.imgur.com/Wo2nK6q.png to console me but it doesn't really work
BingoBoingo: Honestly more than million dollar bitcoin, I'm waiting for the republic of Bitcoin to annex Cuba where despite taking an opposite ideological stance to Fidel's regime this island remains opposed to the USG's incompetence.
mircea_popescu: <jborkl> ah only a 23,000 btc valuation << wehat!
mircea_popescu: dude where's that delusionist cartoon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0024752 = 0.4752 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: well, if havelock is worth 50k, why not 23k for 7c?
mircea_popescu: i guess i better start saving my nail clippings.
pankkake: so, now saying "paragon of retardation" is grounds for getting a post deleted. mods=fags
jborkl: well 7c should IPO for 12,400 bitcoins in super nerd BTC
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't have said paragon.
pankkake: I expected the joke to come up. perhaps I should have proved my expectation by putting it in the blockchain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00245 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://fuckbitcoin.com/fuuuuuck/
mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.0
mike_c: you really pissed this guy off!
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
jurov`: Just got email from @fortune.com. Dude can't figure out mpoe options and asking for help :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00081614 = 1.2242 BTC [-]
benkay: that'd be stephengandel, no?
jurov`: Yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.00248 = 0.5654 BTC [+]
jurov`: Seems completely lost, not sure where i should begin.
mike_c: he was looking to short btc. just tell him to buy an atm put.
jurov`: Mhm ok.
mircea_popescu: lol self mod
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3811647#msg3811647 the girl sends her regards.
mircea_popescu: jurov` yeah i dunno what's going on there, but don't end up railroading some noob into buying complex financial instruments he doesn't understand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 722 @ 0.00248 = 1.7906 BTC [+]
mike_c: senior editor at fortune is financial noob?
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying in general
benkay: the bitbet irc channel?
benkay: this boggles.
mircea_popescu: benkay ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: the btctalk thread you linked has people talking about the bitbet irc channel and linking the -assets log
mircea_popescu: o o, older stuff. yeah.
mircea_popescu: pankkake if that nonsense doesn't wake up forum mods to the insanity that selfmod threads are, i dunno what will. maybe bitch at them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 249 @ 0.00248999 = 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00248999 = 0.3959 BTC [+]
jurov`: I just railroaded them into funding voinbr account and laid out their options
mircea_popescu: voyna br!
jurov`: Lol
damagebritain: is AM worth holding?
mircea_popescu: damagebritain probably a better choice than most alternatives.
mircea_popescu: but it's a mining venture. it's mostly going to go lower.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: If you have AM, maybe hold it for a while and dump it if the share price spikes when their next gen shit comes online, provided they actually have next gen shit.
damagebritain: We'll see won't wee
damagebritain: Have you seen the reports of their immersion cooled blades? I know it isn't next gen but that is cool
dub: immersion cool even
Duffer1: ya it is quite impressive
Duffer1: now they need better gear worthy of their cooling tech :P
mircea_popescu: well cool is one thing. you meant to ask if it's worth holding for the cool ?
dub: wet is another thing
damagebritain: No looking for dividends and hopefully they announce something next gen and we see growth
dub: cool and wet
benkay: warm and wet > cool and wet
damagebritain: new hardware sales and whatnot
dub: benkay: not always
kakobrekla: necro
dub: don't discount the Ability-to-sell-shity-gear-to-retards-hand-over-fist factor
damagebritain: theres that, too
dub: still plenty of milk in that cow
mircea_popescu: dub problem is the price went up
jurov`: They need laz0r cooling
mircea_popescu: the btc price i mean. to get 1 btc that way you need a lot of retards.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Dividends are over rated, but S.NSA is cheap at the moment.
dub: countrer problem is theres a lot more retards in the market
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how do you judge that ?
damagebritain: S.NSA never heard of it
kakobrekla: dividends are like candy to make kids shut the fuck up
benkay: snsa is currently pricing in risk of not making delivery by the 25th
jurov`: BingoBoingo and what is fair price? I'll gladly update my sell order and refer everyone to your wise words :)
dub: surely there is 2 weeks of contingency built in there
benkay: dub: pardon?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just guessing from the gut.
BingoBoingo: jurov`: Pulling magic out of my ass
jurov`: Duly noted.
mike_c: s.nsa has 1.2k market cap. 7c could buy it like, 20 times over.
mircea_popescu: by the way, anyone know smt plants working for btc ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah but then it wouldn't be as cool.
damagebritain: whats a good exchange for s.nsa
mike_c: coinbr.com
benkay: damagebritain: mpex.co
kakobrekla: dont go all railroading yo.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Assuming you aren't on MPEX and don't have 30 BTC to register with... mike_c
jurov`: No coinbr referrals? Thanks for teh monyz :D
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Seriously though read moar. Don't invest because this rando told you to.
mike_c: wouldn't want to be accused of being a shill and "associate" of jurov :)
damagebritain: oh I'm not it looks like it just crashed and isn't hashing yet?
mike_c: uh oh
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Fine wait, I'll get the referral link
damagebritain: price just crashed
mike_c: it's not a mining company
kakobrekla: LOL!
jurov`: mike_c you will be accused anyway, why not get paid for it?
mike_c: true
kakobrekla: hear that mp, cardanos not hashing yet wahts up wiff dat
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's a Coinbr referral link.
FabianB: wahaha, reading is hard
damagebritain: whoa I'm just speculating don't know too much lol
mircea_popescu: we will make a statement about the statement which we can't make for legal reasons at a later point which is very sorry to please understand death in the family my new car crashed
mircea_popescu: in completely unrelated news,
mircea_popescu: "By making their product or artwork display neotenous traits, designers attempt to sway people to enjoy or desire their product because it appears childish, adorable, soft or otherwise desirable. By making a product cute, the nucleus accumbens in the human brain is targeted and elicits a protective or coddling response, which encourages an individual to acquire (purchase) said item. By designing items, characters, food
mircea_popescu: or anything else in this manner, product designers attempt to create the same reaction to a product that a human baby could create."
BingoBoingo: This describes S.NSA http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA
mircea_popescu: so basically designers should be round up and shot.
jurov`: don't forget to get experts of unrelated company involved under nda
mircea_popescu: yes, obama is working for me
mircea_popescu: he has 2 year's experience in managing website creation and deployment,
mircea_popescu: under budget and over spec.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's more text explaining what S.NSA has planned in the near future.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/category/snsa/
ozbot: S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: so honest question : company with watercooled blades vs company with pubis-bare shirts.
mircea_popescu: which is cooler ?
BingoBoingo: The latter
damagebritain: it isnt water
kakobrekla: IT ISNT WANTER!!!!11
kakobrekla: -n
mircea_popescu: what is it, oil ?
BingoBoingo: Could get wet though...
mircea_popescu: hahaha
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491784/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 12 ✂︎
jurov`: mp needs photos with goo
damagebritain: yea probably
jurov`: Or milk.
mircea_popescu: milk cooled asics
mircea_popescu: now that'd be something to behold.
jurov`: ^
mircea_popescu: if difficulty shoots up too much at least you can eat the cheese.
kakobrekla: hahah
KRS|gotyawallet: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.777023 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0055651229989 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet isn't actually krs im just realising
KRS|gotyawallet: eh
KRS|gotyawallet: "krs" is some cat in s.america who registered the nick
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: by the way, did i mention i now own #nude ?
KRS|gotyawallet: hah cool..need to figger out an ipo for btc sex
KRS|gotyawallet: sex is cash money with or without btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16666 @ 0.00258018 = 43.0013 BTC [+] {17}
KRS|gotyawallet: maybe #bitcoin-anal
mircea_popescu: i thought i owned that too
mircea_popescu: I THINK I OWN ALL THE THINGS
kakobrekla: i dont think thers much game in sex and btc, but if pays dividends....
KRS|gotyawallet: i think you do, but i'm holding it down
KRS|gotyawallet: Bitcoin-Ass specials: 2 liters anal lube .003 BTC. SENSATIONAL!! 23" Monster Cock (only comes in color BLACK) made with the finest rubber and steel belts. BLOWOUT: Everyone's favorite laxitive COLON BLOW. Everyday low price .001 BTC.
kakobrekla: thats too much
mircea_popescu: * Loaded log from Fri Apr 26 16:44:13 2013 lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3314 @ 0.00274 = 9.0804 BTC [+]
Duffer1: colon blow omg...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00274 = 1.0412 BTC [+]
dub: did anyone actually post a coinbr referral? https://coinbr.com/ref?c=A3R7Tstq16
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00274 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: bitbar is now $99?
mircea_popescu: what bar is that ?
kakobrekla: thats their market cap prolly
Vexual: choocks finally started laying
truffles: what kind
dub: you are that guy from wolf creek right?
Vexual: i dunno what kind, theyre brown, got them from the market
truffles: u mean a real chicken ..
Vexual: four of your finest pullets please sir
mike_c: not pullets any more
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LK9JIVUHaM
ozbot: aussie chook laying egg - this one's a cracker! - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so basically designers should be round up and shot. <<<< in some regards, yes, but in the end a designer is paid to solve a "problem" and more often than not, in a way they would not prefer
truffles: tramatized now
ThickAsThieves: clients cause oodles of depression and frustration for that field
KRS|gotyawallet: 1 bitbar = .0979 BTC ~ $100 https://bter.com/trade/btb_btc
KRS|gotyawallet: what in the fuhhh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 209 @ 0.00274 = 0.5727 BTC [+]
Vexual: ahh so thats why i baby talk to my vw bettle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00274 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: come to think of it, i kinda disagree with the premise that designers create things to look babyish
benkay: the cloaca blooms
Vexual: your little fuely wuely pump is so inaccesible and ALWYAS FUCKING BREAKIN!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081427 = 1.71 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: KRS|gotyawallet: Well, with especially failed altcoins there is not uncommonly just one holder and setting the exchange rate so arbitrarily involves a minimal amount of actual money.
mike_c: bitbars are "rare", so the price of one doesn't mean much. market cap of all them is only $600k
mike_c: http://coinmarketcap.com/
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin QuarkCoin Megacoin Proto
ThickAsThieves: there's $50m in quarkcoinz?
ThickAsThieves: lol
jurov`: Sooo dude from fortune just asked me if he can fund coinbr account with credit card...
ThickAsThieves: litecoin almost $1b
ThickAsThieves: not so fortunate he can afford real mpex i guess
ThickAsThieves: or maybe he emailed them to
ThickAsThieves: too
BingoBoingo: Lol jurov`
Vexual: company card?
KRS|gotyawallet: a lot of people are going to receive teh proverbial "sore anus" at some distant future.
jurov`: Dunno what card, i rejected. But maybe i can actually sell the card for btc and use that to fund the acct?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sucks for the designers.
BingoBoingo: http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/03/katana-kitsao-gona-kenya-goat-sex-attacker-faces-victim-in-court-4211564/
ozbot: Katana Kitsao Gona: Kenya goat sex attacker faces victim in court | Metro News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00048972 = 1.4692 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> litecoin almost $1b <<< do you realise most fiat companies are worth less than the lauighingstock altcoin ?
jurov`: Oh and he wants to really short bitcoins not just buy/sell some options.
jurov`: Anyone wants to lend him for lulz?
Vexual: then cry to visa when he fails?
mircea_popescu: jurov` if he can't readily buy bitcoin how would he sell it ?
mircea_popescu: inb4 he ends up with 7k of mtgox usd he can't actually get sent to his acct and we get a forbes bitcointalk thread
benkay: why do the traditional short instead of playing options?
jurov`: Hmmmm.. that's where the lulz come.
BingoBoingo: ... So the Fortune editor is basically Bakewell 2.0? Can he even ident with gribble?
ThickAsThieves: he wants to short?
mircea_popescu: benkay maybe because the plan is to short enough to move the price ?
ThickAsThieves: how much?
ThickAsThieves: send him in here
ThickAsThieves: he'll probly find a deal
mircea_popescu: why so mean ThickAsThieves
jurov`: Dunno. Not in mood to investigate.
benkay: BingoBoingo: he hit irc from a web client.
ThickAsThieves: mean?
ThickAsThieves: i guess bulls are mean
BingoBoingo: benkay: Still doesn't preclude getting in the WoT
ThickAsThieves: and I am a Taurus after all
mircea_popescu: ha.
benkay: BingoBoingo: implies insufficient familiarity with the toolchain to get in the WoT.
jurov`: So should i just write him i have friends on irc and they will loan you?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would imagine guy got a good enough starter to figure what's what. at this point either he's on a deadline for the next article and well, just drops the entire thing,
mircea_popescu: or else embarks on the 6 mo to a year of lurking, reading and so on.
BingoBoingo: benkay: He's a senior editor. I'm pretty sure he can bully one of his help desk dorks into loaning him the coins.
mike_c: nah, his help desk dork with btc is worth more than him now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and then he gets davout to whitelist him on btc central or what ?
Vexual: maybe they gonna out satoshi
benkay: BingoBoingo: his help desk dorks don't have enough btc to short and move the price anywhere
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine he does an OTC trade in a rest stop bathroom?
mircea_popescu: well... of course they don't.
benkay: ;;market sell 1000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 1115751.6083 USD and would take the last price down to 1100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1115.7516 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0702 seconds
ThickAsThieves: mega-slippage
benkay: ;;market sell 1000000
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 34063873.7035 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.0639 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 16.7910 seconds
jurov`: ThickAsThieves: can I kindly refer him to bitcoin powerhouse of TAT Investments?
ThickAsThieves: not hanks
mircea_popescu: benkay to quote one of the better lines in city hall, "You ever seen a journalist with a million dollars in cash ?"
ThickAsThieves: unless he wants to a secret shadowy silhouette article on me
Vexual: are bloggers journalists?
benkay: all journalists are bloggers now.
truffles: lol TAT's a baller
mircea_popescu: truffles tat shorted the difficulty, i'll have you know.
truffles: subject im unfamiliar with
mike_c: and he is gunna lose
benkay: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves how'd shorting the difficulty work out?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.002735 = 0.3145 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shorting the difficulty never works out
mircea_popescu: the difficulty is a very long difficulty indeed.
benkay: "the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent"
ThickAsThieves: i shorted diff?
mike_c: bitbet
ThickAsThieves: well that aint settled yet
mircea_popescu: benkay it can remain rational for even longer than you can remain irrational, is the catch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1085 @ 0.00273959 = 2.9725 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
ThickAsThieves: stahp!
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1491849/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 7 ✂︎
ThickAsThieves: he wait
mircea_popescu: totally.
ThickAsThieves: it did stop
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: funniest thing i read all day.
ThickAsThieves: thats the same diff from this morning?
mircea_popescu: nethash ! what r u doing! nethash! STAHP!!!
ThickAsThieves: sorry, nethash
ThickAsThieves: not diff
benkay: .d
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1256 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.1215% in 6d 14h 35m 14s
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 272919 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1256 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 880424029.301 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.45769
benkay: i'm intrigued by the bitbet about difficulty falling
BingoBoingo: This blogger is willing to offer the Senior Editor a 2,500,000 Satoshi Grant to study shorting Bitcoin or a 5,000,000 Satoshi loan
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, any arrangement wherein you borrow bitcoin and then sell it is, in fact, an option.
BingoBoingo: If he is serious he can find my email address embedded here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/ or I'll probably still be lurking
mike_c: well, that is the definition of a short
mike_c: borrow and sell
mircea_popescu: yes.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL-3VLXNqAI
ozbot: porsche using EMP device on Mullet Ride (to keep from being passed @ thunderhill) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mike_c but your contract has an implicit strike (established by the interest you pay on the borrow and the price you get on the sale)
mircea_popescu: and it has an expiration (established by the borrow)
mircea_popescu: thus, it's exactly an option.
benkay: ha!
benkay: dat topological identity.
mircea_popescu: well yeah
benkay: i was wondering the other night how likely bitbet would be to displace formal options trading
mircea_popescu: how do you think options ended up existing in the first place,
mircea_popescu: it's not like i was bored one day and invented a new thing/
mircea_popescu: benkay not too likely, it's kinda clunky
mike_c: ah, i see your point. got it.
benkay: well yeah and the whole otc lubrication of trade
mircea_popescu: yeah
benkay: er otc -> contract standardization i mean
ThickAsThieves: where are the new Yes bets? http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Do you have a bitcoin client of you own running yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0008094 = 7.4465 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you look at it, the yes side is few and mostly large bets, the no is mostly many small bets
mircea_popescu: this to me looks definitely like miners are dominating the yes side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 883 @ 0.00274 = 2.4194 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00274973 = 0.3437 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZWn2AaJoZo << here, because you're all nuts.
ozbot: Animaniacs: Macadamia Nut **Lyrics in Description** - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00274982 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7400 @ 0.0001099 = 0.8133 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00276 = 0.2401 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: did Havelock skip having a forum thread for the new IPOz?
Duffer1: the 7c thing?
ThickAsThieves: yeah
Duffer1: i didn't even look, i read the email then deleted it when i read the 3rd quarter 2014 part
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1190 @ 0.00010995 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354208.msg3791494;topicseen#new
ozbot: SENIGMA a way forward?
ThickAsThieves: look at those poll questions
ThickAsThieves: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i like voteing
Duffer1: 7c IPOing soon, won't get anything done for a year (while btc price triples in the meantime) sounds like another VTX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6032 @ 0.00011017 = 0.6645 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5699 @ 0.00011966 = 0.6819 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: didn't vtx also get hacked ?
Vexual: 7c would be a lot cooler if they were building a town in antarctica
mircea_popescu: "For a few months now, Whilst I hold my share prices at 0.012, When I started, This was nothing, Now it is starting to be something, Whilst this is good for early adopters who have got the value back already, Is this too high for anyone else to come in?
mircea_popescu: Your thoughts here."
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: what part of the "i hold my share prices" do i woefully misunderstand ?
ThickAsThieves: i think it's a PMB and/or scam
ThickAsThieves: but i aint gonna dig deeper
mircea_popescu: so is it an actual bond, as in, with a principal and everything ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [-]
Vexual: yep, he buys mining equipment. dividends exist. the end
mircea_popescu: so then how does he hold the shares at whatever
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-e-exchange-banking-issues/
mircea_popescu: "for many weeks" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 320 @ 0.04412653 = 14.1205 BTC [-]
Vexual: I will set a buy back out at 20% ???
ThickAsThieves: the dude has colleted less than 10btc
ThickAsThieves: https://cryptostocks.com/securities/45
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00278701 = 5.574 BTC [+] {7}
ThickAsThieves: good day for neo
mircea_popescu: “I’ve sent large amounts by wire and it’s always worked within 24 hours. Check your deposit "
mircea_popescu: retardds. obviously wires in would work fine.
ThickAsThieves: so does btc-e carrying litecoin prevent the Gox effect here?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00278768 = 3.6017 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33676818 BTC [-]
snackman: which one of you is mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: snackman kakobrekla.
mircea_popescu: i'm really jurov, who is ThickAsThieves.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated, because finance.
snackman: pathethic piece of romanian scum
snackman: or whatever post-communist shithole you come from
truffles: didnt see that one coming
ThickAsThieves: now taking bets on how long before snakcmna is banned or run out of here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.33586098 = 3.6945 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: the dazzling variety of irc.
snackman: this gypsy owes me 1,000,000 US-dollar cents
truffles: 0,0
mircea_popescu: (which, i will have you know, somalis pronounce irtz)
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE0XcdM22Yo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1440 @ 0.00278768 = 4.0143 BTC [+]
ozbot: Scatman John - I'm A scatman - YouTube
kakobrekla: lol
snackman: no, but seriously guys
ThickAsThieves: ok sorry
mircea_popescu: snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/ << check out the cartoon.
mircea_popescu: it's about you.
snackman: mircea_popescu: ok hold on
ThickAsThieves: the oglaf guy has some good stuff
snackman: mircea_popescu: nice cartoon, also nice post btw
snackman: is that you in the header picture?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ThickAsThieves: it's jurov of course
mircea_popescu: aw shit. caught in my own web of lies
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a woman!
ThickAsThieves: it's just a pyramid
ThickAsThieves: calm down
mircea_popescu: no i mean the oglaf GUY. it's a girl.
ThickAsThieves: ah ha!
ThickAsThieves: that explains a lot
mircea_popescu: so rarely women do anything worth the mention. why rob them of the little they do.
snackman: well, mircea_popescu, sorry but i can't get it out of my head: *why* do you not want to pay me my 10btc back. please just explain it to me in a calm and rational way
ThickAsThieves: i was just like wow this dude is very progressive with these gay frames
mircea_popescu: snackman actually, there was a post about that, too. didja read that ?
snackman: mircea_popescu: i did.
mircea_popescu: well that's about it.
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm listening to what you have to say. that post developed into a bashfest
kakobrekla: as all the roads lead to rome, all the questions lead to trilema
mircea_popescu: the trirome!
kakobrekla: and the roastions
ThickAsThieves: trirome, pronounced like tyranny
mircea_popescu: no, like tryrammy.
mircea_popescu: like thrice rammed.
ThickAsThieves: when in rome
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm still listening. you are wasting my precious time
mircea_popescu: you got that a little backwards neh ?
ThickAsThieves: we're all wasting each other precious time, dont give him all the credit
mircea_popescu: no homo.
snackman: mircea_popescu: you might wanna look up megalomania then
ThickAsThieves: surely he has it tatooed on his penis
mircea_popescu: i was thinking... this guy's theory is that i simultaneously invented the thing and also don't know what it is ?!
dub: megalomania is an awesome old RTS game
ThickAsThieves: snackman, why did you bet so late
snackman: mircea_popescu: so then tell me, why are your genes contaminated by sub-human east european scum parents?
mircea_popescu: o.o
dub: fast bux are the best bux derp
snackman: ThickAsThieves: because i wanted to make the most out of it
snackman: yeah
mircea_popescu: don't they teach debate in school anymore ?!
ThickAsThieves: make the most loss out of it?
dub: did he just call mp a nigger?
snackman: mircea_popescu: at least we have schools here :)
Duffer1: cancelled due to budget cuts mp :P
mircea_popescu: i think i should be insulted by being related to the hottest chicks on planet earth or something
snackman: for everybody, not just the overprivileged party members
snackman: mircea_popescu: nah, i don't think that
mircea_popescu: where's that mit video
Duffer1: if it's not football it's not funded
jamespeerless: does bitbet have a minimum bet? seems like they'd lose money on transaction fees if I don't bet much?
snackman: mircea_popescu: tbh, it's kinda hard to debate an online nickname that has taken 10btc from you and tries to keep it using "arguments"
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless no minimum bet so far.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334 <<
ozbot: MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube
snackman: truffles: he took my btcs
Bunnyh: is the NO on bitbet charts really gray? seems teal to me
mircea_popescu: Bunnyh im colorblind.
truffles: why'd he take em snackman?
Bunnyh: ok,i thought i am
mircea_popescu: snackman it's not a nickname dood. that's my name.
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the reason is that we're oldfags, which means rich, which means with a lot of old coinbases, which means tx are free. or something.
jamespeerless: what do you mean? why would they be free
mircea_popescu: the prioritization of txs takes into account the concept of "bitcoin days destroyed"
mircea_popescu: that's the product of a coinbase's volume with its age.
snackman: truffles: because my transaction was not confirmed in time
snackman: truffles: it was placed on the correct bet though
mircea_popescu: so if you have 1k btc that weren't moved for 3 years, you get about 1mn times the priority of a 1btc that was moved yest.
jamespeerless: got it
jamespeerless: makes sense
truffles: snackman gotta read fine prints
mircea_popescu: in principle it's good for the network to keep moving coins around, i suspect.
kakobrekla: imo just bigger chain
mircea_popescu: or at least satoshi thought so for some reason.
kakobrekla: why
kakobrekla: where
mircea_popescu: it's one of the points i don't quite grasp tbh
snackman: truffles: they weren't, they were FAQs, and i never agreed to them, also this particular clause was *surprising*, therefore not applicable for yet another reason
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well because of the particular design, seems implicit in it.
ThickAsThieves: Hey MP, how bout a compromise, put "Late Bets Will Be Retained" or such on the Send Bitcoins page of bitbet ☟︎
snackman: mircea_popescu is only not returning them because he assumes that it is unlikely that i will sue him in romania
truffles: so ur situation was outside of terms ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem with this approach is that 1. it empowers nonsense and 2. it bloats pages.
Vexual: faqs are accepted to form contract
snackman: truffles: yet, because the txn was sent before, it only arrived later because nobody confirmed it
dub: interestingly educatoin in .us and .ro sucks somewhat equally
mike_c: i always took the priority the opposite, that is - it is discouraging moving coins too much by giving recently spent coins lower priority
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu not like you can mitigate it
snackman: Vexual: yes, if they explicitely ask you to confirm them, which they didnt
dub: though dumb romanians are smarter than dumb americans
snackman: Vexual: also only if there are no surprising clauses
mircea_popescu: mike_c when i say move coins around i mean, not have very old coinbases.
ThickAsThieves: so you dont think "reasonable man" is a concept to consider?
snackman: ?
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable man would likely assume his bet would either be valid at the time of sending, or refunded at a fee
Vexual: a reasonable man reads the contract
snackman: mircea_popescu has forgotten the current btc price, making my loss around 12000 usd, making it more than worth pursing a lawyer. also for the satisfaction of seeing this bastard lose in court
truffles: snackman i get what ure saying, id already have refunded u if it were my biz though, gl
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable contract typically wouldnt have snares
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a reasonable man would not send bitcoin on the basis of his assumptions.
snackman: truffles: thanks.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the reasonable man can start sending to random addresses.
snackman: mircea_popescu: nice non sequitur
snackman: mircea_popescu: and nice attempt derailing his point
ThickAsThieves: do what you want, i;m just sayin youll likely have this problem continually
mike_c: seriously, if it is such an important amount of money why didn't you do a little research first? doesn't that seem wrong to you at all?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00278768 = 0.5575 BTC [+]
snackman: mike_c: there was not much time left
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time.
mike_c: right.. so you should not have done it.
snackman: mike_c: also, i followed the basic rules: bet on what you think will win
mircea_popescu: the space in which bitcoin busienss will happen is primarily shapen by what sort of precedent we create for it.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time. <<< fair enough
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are a scum to the bitcoin economy and community
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are but a leach, you are what is disgraceful in human beings
mircea_popescu: snackman im the largest thing in it ya klutz.
ThickAsThieves: snackman you would be a good diplomat
snackman: ThickAsThieves: why?
mike_c: snackman: can you settle a bet for me. have you placed any more bets on bitbet yet?
ThickAsThieves: you have a way with words
snackman: mircea_popescu: then why would 10btc matter to you?
ThickAsThieves: he just said why
mike_c: cmon snack, fess up. you've place more bets haven't you :)
ThickAsThieves: because he feels his policy helps create the kind of world he wants to live in
snackman: ThickAsThieves: why would i be a good diplomat?
ThickAsThieves: you wouldnt
ThickAsThieves: it's a joke
ThickAsThieves: you suck at convincing people to help you
truffles: i dont think u want him to be more convincing
mike_c: i will send you 0.001 btc if you answer me. it will help you recover.
truffles: thats a general you
Duffer1: whats all this drama now?
Duffer1: someone lost money.. on bitbet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00081266 = 3.21 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yeah they sent money after the answer was known
turbo_ac100: Namworld, I can't get my S.BBET and S.BBET redeemed. That's still possible right?
Duffer1: interesting
ThickAsThieves: turbo_ac100, jurov`can help you, via coinbr.com
snackman: mike_c: of course i have placed more bets afterwards on bidbet
snackman: ThickAsThieves: lie
turbo_ac100: ThickAsThieves, thanks
dub: lol
snackman: Duffer1: they are lying to keep my ONE MILLION cents
mike_c: awwww, sweet, i win. post address and i will send the donation
snackman: my address?
mike_c: if you want the 0.0001 btc i promised
mike_c: er, 0.001
Duffer1: i don't believe they would have to lie to keep your money, there must be something i'm missing
dub: mike_c: make sure you pay the fee
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 a 10 page forum thread
mike_c: lol
Duffer1: not like my opinion matters at all in this anyways, i was just curious
Duffer1: erf, i'll pass, hehe
dub: mike_c: might want to also check if snackman is the 1 person that doesnt require confirmations
snackman: mike_c: 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW
mircea_popescu: in 2020 mike_c will be all like "well sonny, i remember back in the old days, mp was there, and i sent this kid a whole bitcent on a lark"
mike_c: hehe
dexX7: Duffer1: problem was actually that the bet was already resolved when his tx/bet was confirmed which - according to bitbet's faq - entitles bitbet to keep the coins
mircea_popescu: "yeap. that's how it was back then..."
Vexual: and the lawyer got paid a three yeart retainer on that one case...
jamespeerless: mircea_popescu: do you know if sendmany only charges one transaction fee regardless of # of recipients?
Vexual: one tx, one fee
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless i knowandit does.
mircea_popescu: andineed a newspacebar
jamespeerless: what about the 'per kb' rules? i think i read somewhere that 5 recipients is about 1kb? any merit to that?
dub: looking back on how much a trilemna page view cost should be fun
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the recipients aren't the problem. it's about 60 bytes per
mircea_popescu: your inputs are often the problem, because 1 btc could be made out of 100 mn inputs, aka 10gb
snackman: mircea_popescu: do you have a larger version of your avatar https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=5rlspco75dem9q993n3gh96j90&topic=350342.msg3752137#msg3752137
snackman: ?
mircea_popescu: you know that's not actually me ?
Duffer1: dexx7 i see, thanks
snackman: mircea_popescu: your *avatar*
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: it's not my account dood. it's my pr chick.
snackman: mircea_popescu: yes, i know. it's not her either, just a random pic from the internet
Vexual: http://neogrotesque.net/wp-content/uploads/avatar-3.jpg
ThickAsThieves`: snackman, mircea is schizophrenic
snackman: ThickAsThieves`: i know right
ThickAsThieves`: common in the colorblinded
mircea_popescu: sigh
ThickAsThieves`: lol
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mircea_popescu: snackman http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ scroll down
snackman: LOL
snackman: This article is available for a fee.
snackman: megalomania at its finest :D
dub: bloggin aint easy
mircea_popescu: seems you read a bunch. get a proxy.
dexX7: lol
dexX7: this was telling
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dexX7: what's the amount of free articles again?
mike_c: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/further-image.jpg
snackman: no, i scrolled through a bunch of them to see if this counter was real or trolling
dub: yea, dude is running around telling everyone not to use bitbet and avoid mp. all the while still useing bitbet and hanging on mp's every blog
snackman: mike_c: where are the horses?
ThickAsThieves`: thats not mp in that table pic
mike_c: bottom right is mpoe-pr
Vexual: counting and reading all on the same day?
snackman: dub: i literally just explained to you why the counter was 0
mircea_popescu: dexX7 5/week
ThickAsThieves`: oh that reminds me of that joke
snackman: Vexual: i klicked on 6 articles to see if the fee counter was a troll, which would have been funny indeed, if not, retarded as fuck
mircea_popescu: ...
ThickAsThieves`: It's hard to explain puns to kleptomaniacs because they always take things literally. ☟︎
mike_c: mircea_popescu: are company reports exempt from fee?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy on the right there with the dorky hairdue is actually the lawyer you'll probably end up having to argue with
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, if you don't need to read more than 20 a month.
snackman: mircea_popescu: who doesn't have a dorky haircut in the picture?
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, what picture is this?
mircea_popescu: snackman well you're poor and so can't afford the context.
snackman: mircea_popescu: let the king explain to the peasant then
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mircea_popescu: just use mike's cent to buy some credits
mircea_popescu: I GET ALL THE COINS
snackman: mircea_popescu: how many do you own?
kakobrekla: wait for a month so it matures first
benkay: .d
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028 = 0.56 BTC [+]
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you happen to get any higher resolution pix of your PR chick, let me know.
mircea_popescu: i'll see if google turns anything up.
Duffer1: ya that doesn't sounds creepy dude
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'd happily wank to a girl that's into bitcoins
snackman: mircea_popescu: it didn't
snackman: mircea_popescu: oh sorry, misunderstood you
snackman: mircea_popescu: please do
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you would be willing to return even, let's say 10% of the money, that would save both of us lots of stress and i would not bother you again
snackman: seeing that i probably will really have to contact a lawyer...
mircea_popescu: use your noggin for thinking : if my return from hanging out here were actually negative, i wouldn't or else i'd have you sent off.
ThickAsThieves`: that sentence
snackman: make no sense
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, talking to random peeps on irc isn't stressing me, it's mildly enjoyable.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Clarification on a much earlier point of yours. No lawyers presentinga criminal defense, but lawyers are fine arguing in civil cases?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure. the worst they can do is lose you some money.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I think I've been doing this legal shit backasswards.
mircea_popescu: that's no different from hiring a plumber.
dub: the guy donated $12k to you, might sa well hang out on irc
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mike_c: well, to the shareholders
dub: shit, throw him some blog credits, he earned it
mike_c: he also drummed up a lot of new business
mircea_popescu: no cause he insultged my megalomania by claiming my troll counter is megalomaniac
dub: mp is 80% of shareholders tho
mike_c: nah
mircea_popescu: dub no i'm not, im under 50%
dub: orly
snackman: mircea_popescu: bets are weighted, so late bets do not disturb the force field
mircea_popescu: yesrly. kako and i have ~35% + w/e didn't sell of the 30% put on sale.
jamespeerless: why do you even have share holders? why not just run it yourself?
mircea_popescu: snackman except if the bet closes early, cause that means the weight was out of whack.