mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that kinda reminds me of the one time i got a buncha romanian blogger's faces and symmetrized them
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Vexual: That kinda reminds me of winmorph 1.0
truffles: related story, waking up one day with 10-centimeter tumor where u cant sleep ..
deadweasel: that picture hurts my brain mircea_popescu
deadweasel: any of you eastern europeans been treated with Bacteriophage?
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truffles: study 2012, conditions mightve changed
Vexual: pancreatic cancer risk increases with every two steps you take
truffles: i was just looking if there was a non scanner way to tell if uve got cancer..
Duffer1_: trained dog for certain cancers
truffles: Jack Andraka i know is working on some test strips..
truffles: but im not likely to have those he's testing ..
dub: isnt there a recent genetic breakthrough that we are the result of a monkey fucking a pig
Vexual: cancer isn't much of a problem until you're dead, then it's less of a problem
dub: we don't eat a lot of monkey, perhaps the jews are right
mircea_popescu: dub i dunno but i've seen this new thanksgiving nonsense where they cut a turkey and a pigglet and put the halves together
ozbot: 'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American ge
Vexual: divergent evolution is so 2012
truffles: pig for the white, chimp for the black, makes sense
Vexual: theres not enough fossil record to reverse engineer our evolution
Vexual: and one would expect to see similar hybridisations in lower animals before putting that forward
truffles: maybe its a publish or perish kinda thing ya know
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you could use your bitcoin fortune to endow a monkey pigfucking farm
Vexual: maybe its a crackpipe kinda thing
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Vexual: you could get some elephants and dolphins and see if you get dugongs
ThickAsThieves: It makes sense to have specialized brain regions, just as it makes sense to have divisions of labor in other areas of life. But why have specialized hemispheres?
Vexual: maybe start with something like a coral
truffles: if this theory were true would ur mind be blown
mircea_popescu: it's patent nonsense anyway. suines and hominides aren't sexuyally compatible.
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truffles: dubs his theory the 'Monkey-F******-A-Pig hypothesis'
kakobrekla: its either monkey-pig or monkey-monkey
truffles: if no holes in science, these theories wouldnt come to light
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deadweasel: if no holes in people. people wouldn't come about.
deadweasel: this is me trying to understand what might be a good idea.
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truffles: whats with the blockchain storage..
truffles: i hear there's child porn snips in it..
truffles: this is something the bitcoin foundation should take care of
truffles: well its not "technically" done but still
mircea_popescu: truffles you can add some child porn to the blockchain yourself.
truffles: im saying it should be removed..
kakobrekla: more interesting would be if we can find an algo that would decrpyt the moons surface to some CP pix or vid
mircea_popescu: well at least, if we're contemplating the task of censoring the blockchain, i would say the bitcoin foundation is a well chosen agent.
mircea_popescu: rarely a more insurmountable task was met by a less apt entity.
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Vexual: youve never seen me bicycle home from the pub
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a theorem : for any jpg representation of a six year old riding a tumescent pig penis,
mircea_popescu: there exists a natural number indicating the first pi decimal at which that jpg representation can be found
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i vaguely recall that as long as the payload is finite, so is the offset
kakobrekla: just scan the moon with a qr gun until you get a small boy with a penis
truffles: so much downside to drinking alcohol
truffles: things that are easier to keep track of are hmmm
Vexual: just 22/7 and use your imagination
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dub: <ThickAsThieves> is this theory not testable?
dub: I would hope somewhere someone is trying to prove it by mating pigs and monkeys
BingoBoingo: Can an S.PigFuckingaMonkeyFuckingaPanda be far away? I might have to see if Cryptostocks will list it...
truffles: Dr McCarthy thinks "the human race is a very good thing" so he may be wrong on others
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what was the response, "fuck you, we'll sell fior bitcoin " ?
mircea_popescu: "We have received the warning letter from the Food and Drug Administration. We recognize that we have not met the FDA’s expectations regarding timeline and communication regarding our submission. Our relationship with the FDA is extremely important to us and we are committed to fully engaging with them to address their concerns."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Well it is run by on of the Googler's spouses so I imagine it will meet the same fate as so many google related projects...
mircea_popescu: "we have received large amounts of unsolicited mailings from various poseurs. sorting through all this crap takes time which would be better used otherwise. we are uninterested in the volunteered opinions of self-styled authorities, we intend to retain experts for answering any questions we may need answered and ingore anything else"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I would have imagined it would just get ignored into oblivion. Then again unlike actually Google products they have an actual revenue stream in the form of recurring billing to maintain access to your results.
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nubbins`: ^ sweet, they come with their own private keys and addresses so you don't need to worry about generating your own
nubbins`: i'd get food delivered by drone, no sweat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the old laser-in-eye terrorism post ?
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mircea_popescu: seems that's not exactly how it works out. market favours the "meth from the sky" approach
mircea_popescu: by the time the average city has > 100k of these in air at any given time
Vexual: im already prining the chimney qr codes
mircea_popescu: it'll be a riot to keep pumping the "nsa is doing an excellent job tracking everything!!1"
Vexual: you get a portion of the btc delivery fee when you `obtain` and maintain a mesh drone
mircea_popescu: the cost per lb hour of chopper should be in the 5 to 10 cents range, once you get it mass produced.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo usg drone fighting rc planes is definitely the thing of the future.
Vexual: 30 minutes, or next time it's not windy
mircea_popescu: (actually, i wonder what a rc plane equiped with 4 ounces of acetone and a sparker would do to a drone carrying a missile)
Vexual: im pretty sure anyone who might actually want to down a drone would have better explosives
Vexual: and an rc plane is relly just another drone
Vexual: lot of good binoculars are going to do
BingoBoingo: Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
mircea_popescu: i dunno... this thing doesn;'t look like a little flame throwing would take its paint off
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Vexual: honey! did you order something from amazBOOM!
Vexual: u can gps upside down with lasers
Vexual: do they make a cargo model?
Vexual: yeah, fly em outta peru
Vexual: alibaba had some long range winged drones last year
dub: gps spoofing is wild
dub: supposed to be pretty easy
dub: rf hardening would be another question
dub: presumably you would harden in the defensive direction (down) while leaving a channel on the harder to target side (up)
Vexual: its not actually large though is it
dub: cheaper yet, a parachute
Vexual: a magnet and a parachute
dub: of course they can probably mitigate it when they realise telemetry is not lining up wth flight plan
dub: not if for a rotating wing
dub: it'll just limp a bit
Vexual: aluminium magnets are expensive too
dub: hard to deploy right
dub: thermite wins anyway
Vexual: better make that 1st shot count
dub: if you're aiming a gun make it an rf gun
dub: otherwise the limpet needs to aquire taret and track
Vexual: the theif could trail the piano wire in its path and hope for the tangle
dub: I think you're going to need to get real lucky to tangle a cord in the prop
dub: need to attack from above basically
Vexual: is that a little raddome on the top of tail?
Vexual: or is that for shaft lube?
Vexual: it can climb with better conmtrol than descend
diametric: ah discussing the news about amazons drone delivery publicity stunt?
mircea_popescu: "this war is asymetric in that the enemy chooses to not make the same exact mistakes we do"
mircea_popescu: in this sense the us rebellion was asymmetric as seen from king george's palace.
Vexual: is that one of yours ascii?
diametric: I really doubt that will ever come to fruition. It's just publicity. There's no way their attorneys are going to sign off on something thats going to have that much liability.
diametric: The potential damage to property and lives will be way to high. Anything strong enough to carry 5 pound packages is strong enough to kill someone.
diametric: I still have faint scars from when I was playing with that one larger multirotor.
diametric: There have been several deaths just this last year from them
Vexual: i lost one, fled immediately
Vexual: remeber this bit of cgi genius?
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gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> Vexual: thermite is simple and avoids all of the pretense concerning explosives. That the ingredients are essentially rust and aluminum powder or filings means preventing its production is impossible.
mike_c: glad to see the gpg section! very useful stuff.
mike_c: i have recommended it to several people
diametric: KRS|gotyawallet: its used to ignite thermite
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Vexual: wrap the mag around a sparkler and flee
Vexual: factory stuff has mag and oxidised al
Vexual: perhaps i was thinking of my multivitamin
nubbins`: you can thank nintendo for cheap gyro sensors
Vexual: i thought that was pressure sensors?
nubbins`: consider that a wii motion plus attachment fits in a child's hand, costs $25, and can track acceleration and movement along 3 axes
Vexual: i think iphone had it b4 wiimote
nubbins`: but wiimore is an OTS solution
nubbins`: seriously, a motionplus and an arduino sets you back maybe $50-60
nubbins`: and it's more than enough to keep a quadcopter in the air
Vexual: nintendo were the first to mass produce such accurate pressure sensores as in thw wiifit board
nubbins`: nintendo brought the economy of scale
Vexual: i always thought it was the other way around
nubbins`: i am kind of just making this up
Vexual: you're probably right nintendo>smartphone>gyrocopter
nubbins`: but that's what it seemed like in my head
nubbins`: anyway, there are tons of videos of people using wiimotes and nunchuks to control robots
nubbins`: you can probably just get gyro arduino shields for cheaper than a wiimote now anyway
Vexual: wiimotes must cost a bit, they dont even give you one with a u
nubbins`: that's because they give you a $250 controller with your u
nubbins`: and everyone with a u has an original wii ;D
nubbins`: altho i agree it's pretty stingy
Vexual: yeah, so return customers only
Vexual: and you cant sell your wii with no controllers
nubbins`: great if you have a wii and your buddy has a u, tho
nubbins`: some of the minigames in wii u party or w/e the bundled game is called are pretty cool
Vexual: i was looking forward to watchdogs on u sooner
Vexual: fuck the multiplayer and take my money
Vexual: i made fist burritos and got food poisoning
Vexual: you never siad wash your knuckes
nubbins`: turns out the friction from your strikes wasn't enough to denature the proteins?
nubbins`: try soaking your fists in lemon juice first.
Vexual: id send you the log, but it's not really a log
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Vexual: im putting wiifit sensors under my toilets
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Vexual: check your guests for scoliosis
Vexual: and intestinal fortitude
Vexual: try that with an xbox, you'd be arrested
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mircea_popescu: this is pretty funny, guy now wants to work for me, admits he couldn't do as good a job as thje girl.
Vexual: let him sweep the floor with no pay
mircea_popescu: no see, this is the main reason i like the capitalism-democracy combo : i don't have to do anything.
mircea_popescu: if you live in some sort of more or less republican tyrany it is incumbent upon you to take in all the idiots.
Vexual: thats not the most funny outcome
mircea_popescu: but if you live in the heartless-est system ever invented, you can just nod and ignore.
Vexual: gentlemen would have another bet
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mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i meant from his perspective. obviously from my perspective i'm laughing
Vexual: im sure it says somewhere breaking any rule voids any bet
Vexual: double or nothing would be at least twice as funny
mircea_popescu: yet you know, in imperial japan or soviet russia or republican rome it is not acceptable for some guy to go "i have no skills master but i would like to work" and he not be taken in, trained and worked.
mircea_popescu: i don't know of any system where labour capital has a lesser value.
Vexual: we all must work within a framework
Vexual: if you bump your head on the scaffold of a construction site, you havent much hoipoe
Vexual: i foirgot to puit ino moi doil foirm
mircea_popescu: exactly. it's actually illegal in the democracy to improve the capital value of labour.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of the whole thing is to make it so people are worthless and stay worthless.
Vexual: depends how its done mp
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah, inasmuch as it's done to exhaust the person without any benefit then it's acceptable.
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet well yes, the entire discussion started with an example.
Vexual: australia is an interesting case
KRS|gotyawallet: whre its illegal in a democracy to improve the capital value of labour? You mean pay a man more than a woman for certain types of jobs?
Vexual: apprently all our medical records were dutifully compiled into the prism database
Vexual: but theres a few unions that will dissappear a politician
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet no, i mean put them in a position where their abilities and knowledge actually improve so that they are objectively worth more.
mircea_popescu: the process through which the antique adolescens solidified into vir, ie, a man, is the typical increase in value. it includes such experience as killing others, and being responsible for the self in new situations and so on.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but more politely, the process through which the medieval youth moved from unskilled apprentice to skilled journeyman to actual craftsman on his own is similar
mircea_popescu: these all include two things : adversative education, which is to say education done forcibly, without bothering with the consent of the educated, and political power. neither exist in a democracy, thus reducing the youth to this situation of neoteny.
Vexual: i was on my mobile phone doing deals at the back in 94
Vexual: ill shut the flip when im good and ready bitch
Vexual: were about 5-10 years off the real info revolution
KRS|gotyawallet: On one hand we are talking about value, as it applies to labour which probably applies better to the context of capitalism and on the other hand we're applying that toward a democracy which doesnt necessarily recognize value, but rather mob rule.
Vexual: shits gonna get monkeypig
mircea_popescu: you can't escape value as such. it's there whether your current viewpoint hides it or not.
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mircea_popescu: "amy" is not exactly tradeable for one random individual. she's worth less than the average of 7 billion, which is already pretty damning.
mircea_popescu: in fact she may well be worth zero. that's an achievement, for a live human.
Vexual: and a phd in some bullshit noone wants to read flags you as a kneeler
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mircea_popescu: but this is the very point at hand : in the republican tyrani around vorkuta she might be discovered as somewhat valuable. in her hometown @ democracy, she's exactly zero.
Vexual: thats my country brother
KRS|gotyawallet: I was just having trouble understanding the worth of labour as it applies to democracy, which is more suited for a discussion about capitalism.
Vexual: they dont camp there for more than a night, let alone dig the shit up
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Vexual: labour is a free market, if you've got skills or whathaveyou, ask the price
Vexual: if you get hungry or borded or whatever, drop your price
Vexual: ask mp, he lived in communist romania, i imagine it wasnt much different
KRS|gotyawallet: i have a mexican i pay $100 for a day of labour on my property..usually twice a month..he normally makes $80 and works longer in on the farms picking vegetables.
KRS|gotyawallet: Companies pay him much less because he's an undocumented worker.
Vexual: i think capitalism is pretty hard wired into humans
Vexual: he is the company fuckwit
KRS|gotyawallet: i pay him moar because he works hard, is reliable and very trustworthy..i pay him his equivallent rate as a documented worker.
Vexual: its a one man fuckin union
KRS|gotyawallet: he CAN'T get moar wage here because he's illegally in our country.
KRS|gotyawallet: In return he works like two men when I only have to pay one.
Vexual: youre thinking manhours, where its output you want
KRS|gotyawallet: comparitavely its nothing to me, i easily drink twice as much as I pay him when I go to the strip club on the weekends to see tits.
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet so basically you're paying him more because he's worth it.
Vexual: id dumb it down another shade, but you know
mircea_popescu: the democratic system however ensures that he's well penalised for that.
KRS|gotyawallet: right, he does the work of two men and doesnt need to be managed
mircea_popescu: also unlike amy, he doesn't vote. he lives in a different system, which both explains him and makes sense to him.
KRS|gotyawallet: he lives in a VERY different system although he doesn't even live that far away from where i do
mircea_popescu: well that's basically my point. in his system, every person is valuable, and because oif that you end up with hard working people who aren't depressed.
mircea_popescu: in amy's system you end up with amy, who has no skills and no future.
mircea_popescu: now, if amy got to spend a few years on a mexican farm among mexican people who'd put her lazy ass to work rather than ask her about her feelings
mircea_popescu: she'd come back a marrigeable, useful and generally sane and adult woman.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't happen where she lives. why not ? because nobody gives a shit.
KRS|gotyawallet: capitalism wouldnt let that happen..in her system is she given the necessities to survive even though she doesn't work?
Vexual: you might be confusing capitalism with something else
KRS|gotyawallet: how so? in a capitalist society she wouldnt be given anything, she would have to do something in order to survive ie: make herself useful
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mircea_popescu: the way the capitalist democracy works is that she gets the bare minimum to survive, much like a cow in one of the insalubrous farms they invented.
mircea_popescu: up to her chest in shit, fed antibiotics to control the infection. everything at the bare minimum.
Duffer1_: even then it's almost not survivable
mircea_popescu: nobody can be bothered to give her a good lashing and put her to work, because this is more skilled and valuable attention than she "deserves".
mircea_popescu: consequently, she gets 2 hours of "therapy" and social media q.s.
Vexual: oldest society in the world
mircea_popescu: and just like nobody botheres with amy i don't bother with that forum fuckwit and so the circle continues.
KRS|gotyawallet: Pray to Jesus so the forum fuckwit can be saved and find salvation.
Vexual: democratic capitalists, with violence
KRS|gotyawallet: Vexual: its very strange that foxes fly in your country..but then again I think some folks there even eat Bats.
Vexual: 40000 years, same shit, its human
KRS|gotyawallet: I'd rather go eat some thing from McDonalds which is probably very bad for me, than eat something like this.
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KRS|gotyawallet: not hungry enough to go catch something like this and eat it..now boar..I'll hunt and eat the hell out of wild boar..about 20 miles from where i live, my 4x4 .45 sidepiece and 12 gauge shotgun, its on...knife, winch and hunting dogs ready to go.
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nubbins`: i'm digging into some sourdough, kielbasa, and cheddar right now
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KRS|gotyawallet: now they are eating giant lizards..i bet it tastes like chicken
Vexual: its the end of the earth
Vexual: no i mean its the land that time forgot
KRS|gotyawallet: one thing i have found is that there are A LOT of local rap artists with A LOT of talent and good songs
KRS|gotyawallet: i love that about the internetz..otherwise wouldnt have been noticed.
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mike_c: hm, interesting. a week ago the btc/usd 7 day volatility was the highest its been since August 2011
mike_c: i know, that is interesting!
mike_c: thanks, i thought so too.
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mike_c: somebody caught on to the trick. dump a bunch of money in early and kill the late guys. a good move.
chsados: mike_c: what is he doing exactly?
mike_c: you get a bunch of money in early, at a high weight.
mike_c: when more money comes in late, at a low weight, you make money.
chsados: it seems like he is betting heavy on both sides though - how does that become profitable
mike_c: if a lot of money comes in both sides it works out. if it goes heavily slanted one way the whole time, not so much.
mike_c: or if there just isn't any action, then you'll lose out on the fees.
mike_c: so it's basically a wager on "this bet will be popular"
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pankkake: "Through fixing this outstanding issue with BitFunder/WeExchange it will be a good thing for Neo & Bee and the Bitcoin community as a whole." :|
jurov`: yes, lesson for everyone
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ThickAsThieves: lol i'm reading a local article about city gov not paying its "futures" to the electric co
pankkake: it's words from the evil faceless finance word
ThickAsThieves: they even have "impact fees" in quotes, something this rag discusses often
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pankkake: was looking like someone "being black"?
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Diablo-D3: he says he has thousands and thousands and thousands of bitcoins
Diablo-D3: so going on what he makes on mpex, which is very little because no one uses it
truffles: u want to prove ur wallet is bigger than his wallet lol
truffles: i wouldnt know about the traffic
Diablo-D3: because he probably has more bitcoins than me atm
Diablo-D3: I cashed out quite a few into dollars
truffles: why do u have to prove u have more?
Diablo-D3: Seriously, nobody cares how many slave women he has
Diablo-D3: (hint: he actually has zero, he says he has like three)
Diablo-D3: what the fuck would you even NEED 3 slave women for
truffles: u sure, Rominia looks kinda poor
Diablo-D3: truffles: and this is why no one likes mircea_popescu
truffles: rly, seems like he has bunch of fans in here
Diablo-D3: more like people who tolerate him and also want slave women
TomServo: Hearing about his slaves is a LOT more interesting that your paleo diet. Just sayin'.
truffles: well the fact that they have to be slaves is kinda not cool imo
pankkake: I like both paleo and slave women. which side do I chose?
truffles: unless he's just saying theyre slaves..
Diablo-D3: truffles: they're not actually slaves
truffles: i think of human trafficing when its mentioned *blush*
Diablo-D3: he just has (well, says he has) a collection of women that like to be used and abused
truffles: well then thats what theyre into..
Diablo-D3: whips, being tied up, getting brutally fucked, being kept in a cage when not in use, that sort of thing
ThickAsThieves: mp you could solve your ignore problem by adding truffles too
truffles: kinda dont have sympathy for ppl who chose it though
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: so what, you actually think he actually bought slave women?
ThickAsThieves: D3 it is absolutely inconsequential to me what MP does for his personal life
Diablo-D3: I mean, if he actually HAS bought slaves, I know a guy at interpol
truffles: TAT what is your problem with me and Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: anyway, nobody has to be a slave. it's a voluntary arrangement, and it has its advantages. chief among which that you're about 10x as quick to learn as a slave.
ThickAsThieves: I think that was the first "mean" accusation for me, have I really made it?
Diablo-D3: he doesnt like fine chocolates or evil incarnate
ThickAsThieves: i remember being in grade school having to write little page about Christmas,
truffles: Diablo-D3 what have u done to make u evil?
ThickAsThieves: and the teacher marked it up, and said it might imply that i dont think Santa is real
Diablo-D3: you could have sued the school for forcing religious doctrine on you
jurov`: I don't believe in Santa Claus. We had Ded Moroz from Siberia instead.
truffles: after some years the science changes..
pankkake: I believe I am God, you're just part of my imagination
truffles: i only know teh "I think, therefore I am."
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: Einstein was a very smart man, hes very underappreciated
ThickAsThieves: probly one of my "if you could have lunch with anyone" targets
truffles: did he steal some of his discoveries?...
truffles: oh thought it was Neal Caffrey
ThickAsThieves: "Neoteny is not necessarily limited to physical features however. Currently, a large minority with perhaps a view of soon becoming majority of English speaking adults exhibit psychological neoteny, the sad state wherein their body has long reached maturity while their mind is still continuing adolescence"
ThickAsThieves: i assumed this to be majority prevelent for quite some time
Diablo-D3: but thats because high school is broken
Diablo-D3: its psychological damage inflicted by the state to make good workers
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I said free thinkers, not faggots with too much karma
Diablo-D3: reddit is pure faggotry, I dont know how people stand it
Diablo-D3: truffles: I neither hate nor like gays
Diablo-D3: I find their taste in men to be strange.
truffles: Diablo-D3 then id like to know what u consider normal
Diablo-D3: truffles: btw, you were supposed to say "whats wrong with their taste in men"
Diablo-D3: truffles: if you want to participate in the comedy, you need to learn when someone is trying to setup a joke
Diablo-D3: heh, the christian in me is fine with people being gay
ThickAsThieves: question, why does nethash measurement vary so greatly among measurers?
Diablo-D3: as long as they treat their partner with a respect and be part of the community and, well, not have AIDS
pankkake: reddit common beliefs: 1) we are a nice community 2) academia teaches you everything you need 3) fedoras are cool
Diablo-D3: just please, no bearded men kissing
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
mircea_popescu: if you exclude under 15 say, it's quite hard for the thin sliver at the bottom to outnumber the fat peak
pankkake: bitcoinwisdow says "last 504 blocks", don't know for others
ThickAsThieves: why dont they all at least note an estimate based on blocks solved since last diff?
pankkake: well that's not really *current* nethash then
pankkake: it depends on what you want to know
pankkake: I think gribble uses blockchain.info, because when they're broken he's broken
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883217070.437 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suspect they don't include that because it's so easy to calculate on your own
pankkake: hats are often a tool of imposters
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Bitcoin Network
gribble: Current Blocks: 272860 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1315 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.91406
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 883652397.234 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: Next Difficulty Estimate: 883652397.234 == 883652397.234 based on data since last change
mircea_popescu: anyway, the chances to find the actual nethash within an arbitrary precision are a function of that precision.
ThickAsThieves: either way, I'd appreciate it if miners kept it to less than 1PH added in the next 3 weeks :)
dexX7: you're dumping your gpus and started to buy asics?
dexX7: i bought some gpus, but i somehow feel like a sucker, because now is probably the best time to resell that stuff.. maybe i'll even do likewise before it arrives. a 7950 on ebay is worth 250-300+ eur here :D
kakobrekla: apparently euro is not worth anything any more
dexX7: older, yes, but hash/watt efficient
mircea_popescu: but i mean... wait, they;re not being bought to be used as gamingdevices ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.35074922 = 2.806 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: right now probably, given that the R9 generation doesn't look much more costly…
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
pankkake: litecoin mining diff finally went up after months of ups and downs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00195 = 0.1092 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so basically if asics had never happened, bitcoin diff would be 10k
dexX7: afaik it's not very efficient
dexX7: you want to have a lot of fast accessible memory
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5053 @ 0.00080601 = 4.0728 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Neither of those search requests return any results for me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35099897 BTC [+]
ozbot: The OCR lol of today pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: site:trilema.com epifania - Google Search [Anonymoused]
mircea_popescu: i guess we don't quite fathom the extent to which google is manipulating results.
ThickAsThieves: i have a google killer idea i dont have the means to implement
TomServo: Huh. Evidently. First among 51 results when searching via proxy for me.
ThickAsThieves: i debated writing it all up and doing a kickstarter, but i truly wnat nothing to do with running a search co
mircea_popescu: TomServo i suppose if you're going to censor, this is actually the correct approach : block specific searches, but index the material.
mircea_popescu: this way actual researchers can still do their work, and it remains accessible to those deemed "legitimate" of the public,
mircea_popescu: not so unlike how universities worked since abour 1200
ThickAsThieves: "That feature has lead to an inflationary bubble in bitcoin-to-dollar trading, with prices fluctuating largely from one day to the next. As fewer bitcoins become available through mining, new entrants in the market may be limited, making it more difficult for the currency to increase its overall float."
ThickAsThieves: "The increasing cost of relaying transactions may end up making the currency too expensive to manage outside of a small group of users. "
mircea_popescu: teh ppl be figuring it out a year later, and after the fact.
ThickAsThieves: "One of them is that consumers yield and submit, Bitcoin goes to somewhere in the thousand dollars per range and there’s a rush to move society away from the dysfunctional standard. Banks start taking Bitcoin deposits, Bitcoin hedge funds pop up everywhere..."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00206073 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: “This is the environment where Bitcoin could go to $1m. There is no qualitative reason, but it is trending. If I could own Bitcoin, I would. If I own 3D printing, it is just the same thing”
ozbot: Hendry: I would buy Bitcoin if I could
ThickAsThieves: Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter at a time when policy is misaligned, emphasising instead the ‘feedback loops’ created by US quantitative easing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.001952 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00205658 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00206538 = 0.1136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34001002 = 1.36 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: KnC Sells $8 Million In Miners - Business Insider
ThickAsThieves: "Lawn also claims KnC customers already create 70% of the bitcoins mined in a day. We can't verify that claim."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.0020666 = 0.3637 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00207739 = 0.2389 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: •Users will have the opportunity to list their real companies on Seventh Continent Market starting III.Q.2014.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.33713866 = 1.3486 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: is it like farmville for walmart products?
nubbins`: certainly can't do so via their "info" website :(
nubbins`: i thought there already were seven continents, anyway?
nubbins`: When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine, a skill based market place where players accumulate fame and fortune stands a chance of being a real success.
nubbins`: ah, so farmville with leaderboards
ThickAsThieves: "When real money for digital goods with no return loses its shine"
nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends
ThickAsThieves: would be nice to have a gameplay vid or more cogent explanation of what it is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00081374 = 5.8182 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i dunno why you all feel the need to stick extra letters inthere
mike_c: see, the extra letter will protect you from the authorities
ThickAsThieves: cuz idiots may claim they thought it would be a real wall st IPO or such
mike_c: they will be like, "ohhhh, it was *virtual*"
mike_c: i can't figure out what the F stands for
mike_c: of course, it's a fund, not a company. perfect sense.
mike_c: havelock has strange meanings for a lot of terms
kakobrekla: oh that changes everything, headshots.
mike_c: one of them has a suit and tie on. i'm sold.
mike_c: the ceo spent 14 years as a lecturer. no tenure for him!
ozbot: 2013 0 5 BTC Brass Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed | eBay
nubbins`: good for the guy who was buying redeemed coins hand-over-fist on the forums a few months back
nubbins`: i can't imagine he paid more than $10-20 per
nubbins`: and they seem to be selling on ebay for $140+, regardless of denomination
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34999988 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: at first i thought it was just idiots not realizing they were unfunded
chaang-noi: if i get some time ill list that stuff on ebay lol
nubbins`: but i mean, i put REDEEMED in the title
nubbins`: and one third of the item description is in big red letters saying "NO HOLOGRAM, NO BITCOINS"
nubbins`: honestly, i think it's people that fully understand what they're buying
nubbins`: and we're just underestimating the demand for them within the general public
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 284 @ 0.00328249 = 0.9322 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 5031 @ 0.00010127 = 0.5095 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02654311 = 0.8494 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00009617 = 0.1346 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: well it says "physical bitcoin ... containing no bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: The website will be back online after all changes have been completed and checked on or by Dec 4th for viewing and records.
nubbins`: dexX7: wasn't sure what else to call them, also, you'd need to be full retard to assume it contains value
nubbins`: gotta draw the line somewhere, otherwise you end up having your description read "DO NOT heat this coin with a blowtorch for a half hour and lay it on the tip of your penis" etc
dexX7: well i rather think the buy just has no clue
dexX7: "it's a bitcoin, i want it"
nubbins`: shrug, there's only so much i can do
nubbins`: i'm just trying to serve the legitimate brass token collector market
dexX7: are you the seller?
mike_c: have you sold any yet? get any bad feedback?
nubbins`: haven't sold any yet, i was only foolish enough to peel the holo off one
dexX7: also selling overpriced preorder items :p
mike_c: you'll know what they are thinking by whether they flame you on ebay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3214 @ 0.00009518 = 0.3059 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: a full one-third of the three-line description is in bright red
dexX7: haha no, it's fine. as you said, you are filling the demand.
nubbins`: i tried to retard-proof it as best i could
nubbins`: and i have, in fact, had a few people cancel their bids
dexX7: the only misleading line is "physical bitcoin" imo
dexX7: though people tried similar stuff earlier.. like selling "iphone box without iphone inside" and got burned
nubbins`: not sure how better to describe it tho
nubbins`: 2013 0.5 btc brass casascius round that has a bitcoin logo on it - REDEEMED
dexX7: instead of souvenir
dexX7: hmm.. casascius calls them physical bitcoins, too
nubbins`: even though some of them are only physical half-bitcoins!
ThickAsThieves: you can go to the ghetto and sell them as "stolen bitcoins"
dexX7: "Good condition, was only recently redeemed." ... as if the redemption date is linked to the condition :p
nubbins`: dexX7: i ran out of things to say ;(
dexX7: i think this was intentional
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the real money would be in coating steel slugs in gold leaf and calling them "unfunded gold coins"
dexX7: what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00311741 = 0.1902 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: dexX7: i'd invite him to read the item description
nubbins`: and if he feels he's been wronged, to open a dispute claim
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34998998 = 0.7 BTC [-]
dexX7: time for a new category like "digital coins"
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> Hendry added equity market fundamentals do not matter << he has a point, if perhaps sorely misstated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00311122 = 0.1276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <dexX7> what would you do if a buyer contacts you in 1-2 weeks and tells you that he had no clue? <<< point him to bitbet faq ?
dexX7: i was thinking about you when i raised the q :D
ozbot: Romanian Villagers Managed to Keep Fracking Out of Their Backyard | VICE United States
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.115 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3401002 = 1.0203 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: "Honey, even Namecoin is "worth something" these days." // can't be believe she actually thinks Namecoin is worse than XRP
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.34006363 = 3.7407 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: and of course it's unofficial, so thats another consideration
nubbins`: y'know, the shitty thing about being a business that accepts bitcoin is that none of my suppliers accept it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11489999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which is the real achievement reddites should be going for
ThickAsThieves: so tired of "I convinced my aunt to accept btc for her maid services!"
nubbins`: i mean, good for me if i print things for btc; bad for me when i have to immediately cash out btc income in order to pay for inks and paper
nubbins`: i don't know of any wholesale suppliers that accept btc
mircea_popescu: but if they did accept btc ... it'd be still at the fiat equiv
nubbins`: well yeah, you're just moving it up a level
nubbins`: now they're immediately cashing out for fiat too, because the cotton farms don't accept btc
ThickAsThieves: yes but if you get vendors accepting, you start creating a closed loop
nubbins`: tat, too true, it's a hard sell tho
thestringpuller: yea so if you store your profits in coin, and liquidate coins to pay expenses no payable directly by btc what does it really matter?
ThickAsThieves: a useful service would be one that auto bought ccoins you spent i guess
pankkake: what kind of industries could be "in a bitcoin loop" the easiest?
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mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
nubbins`: the problem is that in any industry, at some point up the chain, you find a business who simply is not willing to take the risk of accepting btc
nubbins`: large corps have shareholders to answer to
nubbins`: if they lose their shirts because of a price fluctuation, people lose their jobs
nubbins`: few people in the corporate world are willing to risk that
nubbins`: oh, hey, we have an alliance now?
nubbins`: brutal color scheme, looks like a video game forum
mircea_popescu: bitcoin = videogame gold, online political organisation = forum
zboralski: mircea_popescu: you should advertise on my forums.
zboralski: mircea_popescu: I'll give you resident access so you can post.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tyhe best part is the dorklist oops i mean leadership
ThickAsThieves: "A technical expert with management skills, Pakosh is a serial entrepreneur with a 30-year record of identifying trends"
ThickAsThieves: "Holmes is the Business Development Manager at CaVirtex, the leading Canadian Bitcoin exchange. "
mircea_popescu: "The leadership of the Bitcoin Alliance of Canada consists of 6 board members, each being selected by an independent election committee of Bitcoin enthusiasts from across Canada."
zboralski: I was banned from EVE Online in 2007
zboralski: Slashdot: "Should MMOG 'Play' Be Confined?"
zboralski: Slashdot: "CCP Speaks on Allegations of Misconduct in Eve"
zboralski: Slashdot: "EVE Devs Admit To Misconduct"
mircea_popescu: so substantively, what was the controversy/misconduct/we ?
mircea_popescu: there are two types of kings in the world : those who have a collection of various mages, and those who have a delusionist.
pankkake: you can get banned from a video game?
zboralski: one of the directors of Band of Brothers was a dev and was cheating by printing tech 2 BPOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00010963 = 0.9867 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: zboralski o you're the guy that broke the bob / eve thing ?
mircea_popescu: the power cutting business did happen, and the ships in question are hardly worth 10 btc.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: as east as you can get
TomServo: Heh: Detroit eligible for bankruptcy protection: US judge
ThickAsThieves: cool, i enjoyed my last trip there, but it was a looong time ago, as a touring punk
nubbins`: montreal is where the party is
zboralski: reading your 1BTC post, fun concept...
TomServo: Ha. I guess why not would be when the rest are pissed they don't get the chance.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ten ton hammer etc keep sucking eve's cock, i'm curious what will they say once eulora is out.
mircea_popescu: TomServo but it encourages the rest to simply move to mpex and give the fiat world the finger.
diametric: was a lot of fun, I also played in Goons as well with a few accounts.
diametric: I think at my most addictive moment I had almost a dozen accounts going...
zboralski: nah, I tried at one point but it is not fun if people recognize me I get banned again.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Since when do you give anything in the US that much credit? :)
zboralski: I was in Pandemic Legion... My alt was the executor.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly so years later when they're butthurt all over the interwebs i can link them to old pages and lol
diametric: zboralski: oh cool, flew a lot with PL when the HBC was formed
zboralski: diametric: do you have an account on kugu?
diametric: nah i never posted much, was entertaining to read though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 317 @ 0.00206049 = 0.6532 BTC [+] {4}
diametric: I do miss being in fleets and having a massive blob
diametric: but I hear TEST has gone to FW after the moon redistribution or whatever.. I haven't played for over a year now.
zboralski: the last time I played I hijacked a dev account and couldn't figure out how to get out of that Jove system which didn't have any gates.
nubbins`: i'm not bad at mario kart tho D:
diametric: mircea_popescu: i hear you also play (or played?) some eve.
zboralski: a lot of people on k.com don't play anymore.
diametric: the most fun I had was scamming people
mircea_popescu: diametric well i run the bitcoin corp thingee. i don't play so much, mostly market stuff.
diametric: TEST space rental scams. Fountain had some really good ratting and people would pay top dollar to "rent" from me
zboralski: corp robbery with a freighter was fun too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206031 = 0.3976 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: I have a friend like that, I don't think he's been in space except to move between hubs and manage his orders.
mircea_popescu: but w/e, i occasionally fly a mk1 ferrox, just, been kinda busy these motnhs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00206489 = 0.3572 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the game is notoriously boring, as far as the actual gameplay goes.
ozbot: Have you played Elite back in the 80s ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00206479 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: docking
benkay: they'd have to implement proper orbital dynamics first
mircea_popescu: benkay it's funny that the game requires the playerbase to use a lot of math, which the developers themselves can't apply.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if you want something that realistic you should play kerbal space program
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1371 @ 0.00207752 = 2.8483 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: seriously, have you ever taken pictures with a holga?
nubbins`: judging by past perfmance, i'll never need one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00212179 = 0.2589 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: take a triple exposure, advance a half-frame, take a double, etc
nubbins`: you could load 35mm and expose images over the sprocket holes
benkay: you guys actually like fucking around with atoms
benkay: the only atoms i want to fuck with are warm and concave
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey was that chick in fifth element somalian too ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.0021249 = 0.1232 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet only while pubescent. luc besson got obsessed with her, cast her as joan of arc and she sucked balls.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting back on topic for just a moment, from what i'm seeing the internet metal bugs are actually beginning to move to crypto.
mircea_popescu: their butthurt at their idol's failure having just about healed past denial
pankkake: I've been infiltrating a private silverbug forum
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.002125 = 0.4526 BTC [+]
benkay: i want there to be at least 3 btc-related jewelry providers
benkay: that way i can split a wallet across 3 items of decorate
ozbot: Natalie Portman Bent Over Nude
pankkake: natalie portman doesn't do much for me - except in Léon
pankkake: I am pretty sure she was in the wet dreams of many boys at that time
pankkake: and that scene in the fields… wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.002125 = 0.2656 BTC [+]
pankkake: I don't remember her like that
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i guess i must have confused it with some other movie
kleeck: Yeah. I'm not arroused by that image.
pankkake: yeah choker. well, still, I like chokers :)
pankkake: me neither. it's a sentimal thing
pankkake: garters is the only thing I don't like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11199999 BTC [-]
benkay: stephengandel: just lurking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1135 = 0.227 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Current Blocks: 272883 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1292 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 868573144.388 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.78244
mircea_popescu: benkay he's probably not found the bottom bar to type in yet
benkay: the internet is for user interfaces
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 117 @ 0.00212498 = 0.2486 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: there are brokers, though stephengandel
mircea_popescu: pankkake this is why you keep a bottle of nice cognac or tuica or w/e on hand.
stephengandel: So, $30,000? Can you short bitcoins through a broker?
pankkake: options are available through the broker
kleeck: "But, as with many things in life, you have to just suck it up and do it, which is why I’m here to make a case for swallowing spooge."
benkay: yup. MPOE prices options on bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel depends of what your idea of shorting bitcoins is like. but you can buy puts through a broker, yes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.002125 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0008116 = 20.29 BTC [-] {5}
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1137.20838, Best ask: 1137.99994, Bid-ask spread: 0.79156, Last trade: 1137.99994, 24 hour volume: 23590.84962476, 24 hour low: 1046.99999, 24 hour high: 1185.77338, 24 hour vwap: 1115.72103
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00212899 = 0.3704 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.000575 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: 1 XAU = 1221.600000000000 USD = 1.05419399379 BTC
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you know, you write a lot. i thought the job of the senior editor is more along the lines of throwing out the hard work of all the junior editors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 666 @ 0.0021362 = 1.4227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 524 @ 0.00214775 = 1.1254 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1942 @ 0.00228754 = 4.4424 BTC [+] {4}
stephengandel: should be. Sorry just got a call from an unhappy Wall Street PR guy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 894 @ 0.00244619 = 2.1869 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.0024743 = 0.5666 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56443 @ 0.00081489 = 45.9948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00081642 = 3.7204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00247999 = 0.434 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:12f6abe25d7cb14f088f737e75749f27e97964533753251ca2eb4ee3
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
jborkl: Where is the amazing company?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe swap out the motor with one from a dump truck? Might make the drama more fun to drive.
mircea_popescu: it strikes me that maybe not many years later we will look upon the early days with nostalgia, drowned in a sea of banal crap.
mircea_popescu: and like the proverbial soviet geezers we'll go "do you remember how great it was back when it was horribly bad ?"
jborkl: I can sum it up for you 1. I can't get my blade to hash 2. I lost ma bitcoin 3. I have a amazing company (give me bitcoin)
pankkake: 2. I lost my bitcoin PLEASE DONATE
jborkl: legal fund PLEASE DONATE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00247999 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, i should prolly have pr make a trhead, MPOE BONDS LOST 3K LAST MONTH~!11 plz donate.
pankkake: who's crazy enough to fund these?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i think some of the older people with actual wallets send a little just out of sheer trollery
jborkl: Mechs is trying to sell his just-dice acct, the investor balance is -478 ~
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 8816 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 315.35 mio bets, 4.55 mio BTC wagered
jborkl: yeah, so the first 478 of profit is non commision
mircea_popescu: so the value there is 1% of 478 btc minus whatever discount ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00247999 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
jborkl: 10% i think is the commision rate
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago
jborkl: so, it would require a large investment to make it worth buying for any amount
jborkl: so, not a bad deal for that scenario
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 507 @ 0.00247999 = 1.2574 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: is it safe to login to the forums again?
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.03732936 = 37.3294 BTC [-]
pankkake: not safe for your brain. yet again we have a guy who thinks btc "inaccessible" and thus wants altcoins. and another guy who wants to buy a miner. both never had any bitcoin
benkay: the limit of the process is inevitable.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, let's switch to mSatoshis and have the media talk about how much Bitcoin crashed
mircea_popescu: pankkake looky. some people think mpex is inaccesible and so go flock on btctctetc
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C110T] 1850 @ 0.03662533 = 67.7569 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: not the same at all. you don't need one bitcoin
jborkl: it is funny how people still bitch about the way MPEX looks
mircea_popescu: is this going to be some sort of "all you need is love" thing ?
mike_c: is mechs trustworthy? no wot with that name.
jborkl: flying rainbow unicorn
mircea_popescu: jborkl can you imagine how the nyse would look if they'd get a call in the matter ?
jborkl: gotta make the graphics look good, oh wat it doesnt work- amazing graphics
mike_c: "no reserve" != "starting bid is 4btc"
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1278 blocks | Estimated Change: 23.7106% in 6d 18h 25m 42s
mircea_popescu: mike_c they do this thing where they announce a "starting bid" but it's not the actual starting bid
jborkl: Mike, it does not matter if he is trustworthy- just have dooglus hold the escrow
mircea_popescu: in this parallel universe you can have an auction with a "starting bid" of 1 and a "reserve" of 10 which means that unless it reaches 10 the item doesn't sell.
pankkake: well, that's the ebay universe
mike_c: mircea_popescu: sometimes they take the reserve off if it isn't met
pankkake: secret reserves are so annoying
mike_c: so there can be value in bidding under the reserve
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was once with this chick who actually lived off going to no name auctions
mircea_popescu: i nearly fell over laughing, all the housewives being all business-serious and bidding a hundred on some lamp
mircea_popescu: more like a tupperware party than an auction, but anyway.
pankkake: well, she provides some convenience for buyers, it's valuable
pankkake: once I bought a full pc, I accidentaly broke the motherboard, sold off the parts, got more money :|
mircea_popescu: pankkake the people filling captchas by hand also provide some convenience for some buyers.
mircea_popescu: i'll beat that story : a major romanian retailer bought ~100 laptops off a competitor, which the competitor was selling discounted,
mircea_popescu: to return on their own (more permissive) return policy.
pankkake: but it's also how you sell it. if you're a trusted seller, have nice pics, description, it gets higher
mircea_popescu: this was done by the actual owner packing the laptops in his own personal car.
mircea_popescu: i think the total loot for this grand scheme was around 5k or so.
pankkake: haha. that's why retailers usually put max orders and only allow individuals
mircea_popescu: anywya. there's definitely a living to be earned doing this sort of hussling.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00248 = 0.3968 BTC [+]
benkay: true of most real-world arbitrage
stephengandel: OK. So if I am going to short one bitcoin, or a fraction of a bitcoin, it makes more sense for me to go through a broker than do it with MPeX. Is that right?
ozbot: China Exclusive: China detains Bitcoin fraud suspects - NZweek
mircea_popescu: stephengandel if your budged is in the bitcoin range, and your technical sophistication low you are best served by a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: think of mpex as the nyse, which is what it is. for most purposes you won't acquire a seat in the pit.
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Yup. Coinbr, the broker does their opions on MPEx. As Mircea says though just holding the bitcoin may be the wiser course of action.
mircea_popescu: "A 29-year-old suspect surnamed Liu allegedly began operating GBL trading platform on May 27 of this year, according to police in Dongyang City in east China’s Zhejiang Province."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if he expects a drop then holding the bitcoin isn't particularly wise.
kleeck: Hope to soon have a similar article involving Armandi and Tatti. :D
stephengandel: gotcha. Will give it a try and let you know how it goes.
mircea_popescu: stephengandel you can also review the mpex monthly reports to see about how option trading has fared historically. a count of sold/bought contracts by the bot is provided in each
dexX7: they were quite fast. shut down oct 26, not even 2 months later some results
mircea_popescu: stephengandel someone sold a lot of calls short yesterday, right before the drop.
benkay: stephengandel: this is a channel of people who expect bitcoin to be the world reserve currency.
mircea_popescu: it proved do be only temporary, they may end up with a loss.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 if the chinese also shoot them, i'll be very impressed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. In daytrading adventures though I was burned in february waiting for a crash or Flashcrash that never happened. Nao I hedge and bet to hedge, but largely hold things.
ozbot: fuck.bitcoin. | Damn this magic internet money
BingoBoingo: What is happening nao reminds me of when we passed silver dangling just below that target. Except now there isn't an Usagi swearing it won't happen.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just remembered that the usagi fellow was all over the many evil people who i was payying to contradict him.
jcpham: once the contact page works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.16199349 = 0.324 BTC [+]
stephengandel: Sorry to be stupid about this: where can I see that someone sold calls? where are the monthly mpex reports? Which one of the contracts on your site should I be looking at?
jcpham: this has only been a thing for about an hour now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.1619935 = 1.134 BTC [+]
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was one of my first long thread reads on Bitcointalk.
mircea_popescu: you can see someone sold calls if you look either in the log of this chan (ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com) or else on the site.
stephengandel: MPOE November statement. Is that where I should be looking?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 13 @ 0.1619999 = 2.106 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Planning anything big for March 2015 when MPEx becomes more than half as old as the Bitcoin network?
mircea_popescu: fucking artists with their complicated shoes. impossible to get a hold of.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: is it legal for bitcoin ventures to plan one year in advance even ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I don't see why not? The only authority in Bitcoin is signed contracts.
mircea_popescu: "I have alot of respect for you man. I may want to pick your brain
mircea_popescu: throughout my adventure. If you have any openings or any available tasks I
mircea_popescu: might be able to help you with that will help me gain some valuable
mircea_popescu: i need to start doing something where people can help ;/
ozbot: The Crimson Permanent Assurance - Monty Python's "The Meaning Of Life" - YouTube
mike_c: have him fix the html encoding on the trilema footnotes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33601001 BTC [-]
ozbot: Monty Python Silly Job Interview Sketch - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00247 = 0.3285 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so here's a random thought : about a year and a half ago i bought a pair of bitcoin engraved cufflinks from a guy that did a custom cufflink run
mircea_popescu: they cost, i find reviewing my records, 3 btc and 25 cents.
mircea_popescu: this brass has cost me about 2 grams of gold per gram.
mircea_popescu: by BingoBoingo's 2015 megaparty they'd better be diamond studded and made out of frozen panda tears.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine by 2022 on the 10th anniversary of MPEx the diamonds would be synthesized from the panda tears.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, wait until bentley figures out that there's these dudes who routinely pay 500k for a car and don't even expect it to fly.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've always preferred the 500 usd cars. It's hard to feel guilty when you make them fly.
mircea_popescu: actually... we should probably count our blessings. once the rest of the world figures out there's billionaires hanging out on irc kakobrekla will be spending his days doing nothing but banning salesmen in here.
pankkake: I'm sure there are automated ways to catch salesman
nubbins`: i've smoked things that would now be worth 6 grams of gold per gram
mircea_popescu: someone should ipo a Topless Salesman Catching Brigade.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: I haven't understood what 7C is yet
pankkake: but I don't think I want to anymore
BingoBoingo: So 7C is basically if farmville was Euloria, but with USD revenue and Facebook?
mircea_popescu: it's like 1btc, i thought, except havelock listed it for some reason.
pankkake: havelock clearly hasn't done their job
ll: ;;calc 373.52591376/400000
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34933745 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
jborkl: nubbins`: "when you get tired of wasting money, console yourself with your huge in-game rep and 3d friends < awesome
jborkl: isn't that just -otc and the forum
nubbins`: i have brief moments of lucidity
jborkl: ah only a 23,000 btc valuation
nubbins`: considering buying entire company with spare change, etc
BingoBoingo: Honestly more than million dollar bitcoin, I'm waiting for the republic of Bitcoin to annex Cuba where despite taking an opposite ideological stance to Fidel's regime this island remains opposed to the USG's incompetence.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0024752 = 0.4752 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: well, if havelock is worth 50k, why not 23k for 7c?
pankkake: so, now saying "paragon of retardation" is grounds for getting a post deleted. mods=fags
jborkl: well 7c should IPO for 12,400 bitcoins in super nerd BTC
pankkake: I expected the joke to come up. perhaps I should have proved my expectation by putting it in the blockchain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 245 @ 0.00245 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
mike_c: you really pissed this guy off!
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
jurov`: Just got email from @fortune.com. Dude can't figure out mpoe options and asking for help :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00081614 = 1.2242 BTC [-]
benkay: that'd be stephengandel, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.00248 = 0.5654 BTC [+]
jurov`: Seems completely lost, not sure where i should begin.
mike_c: he was looking to short btc. just tell him to buy an atm put.
mircea_popescu: jurov` yeah i dunno what's going on there, but don't end up railroading some noob into buying complex financial instruments he doesn't understand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 722 @ 0.00248 = 1.7906 BTC [+]
mike_c: senior editor at fortune is financial noob?
benkay: the bitbet irc channel?
benkay: mircea_popescu: the btctalk thread you linked has people talking about the bitbet irc channel and linking the -assets log
mircea_popescu: pankkake if that nonsense doesn't wake up forum mods to the insanity that selfmod threads are, i dunno what will. maybe bitch at them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 249 @ 0.00248999 = 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00248999 = 0.3959 BTC [+]
jurov`: I just railroaded them into funding voinbr account and laid out their options
mircea_popescu: damagebritain probably a better choice than most alternatives.
mircea_popescu: but it's a mining venture. it's mostly going to go lower.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: If you have AM, maybe hold it for a while and dump it if the share price spikes when their next gen shit comes online, provided they actually have next gen shit.
damagebritain: Have you seen the reports of their immersion cooled blades? I know it isn't next gen but that is cool
Duffer1: now they need better gear worthy of their cooling tech :P
mircea_popescu: well cool is one thing. you meant to ask if it's worth holding for the cool ?
dub: wet is another thing
damagebritain: No looking for dividends and hopefully they announce something next gen and we see growth
benkay: warm and wet > cool and wet
dub: don't discount the Ability-to-sell-shity-gear-to-retards-hand-over-fist factor
dub: still plenty of milk in that cow
jurov`: They need laz0r cooling
mircea_popescu: the btc price i mean. to get 1 btc that way you need a lot of retards.
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Dividends are over rated, but S.NSA is cheap at the moment.
dub: countrer problem is theres a lot more retards in the market
kakobrekla: dividends are like candy to make kids shut the fuck up
benkay: snsa is currently pricing in risk of not making delivery by the 25th
jurov`: BingoBoingo and what is fair price? I'll gladly update my sell order and refer everyone to your wise words :)
dub: surely there is 2 weeks of contingency built in there
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just guessing from the gut.
mike_c: s.nsa has 1.2k market cap. 7c could buy it like, 20 times over.
benkay: damagebritain: mpex.co
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Assuming you aren't on MPEX and don't have 30 BTC to register with... mike_c
jurov`: No coinbr referrals? Thanks for teh monyz :D
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Seriously though read moar. Don't invest because this rando told you to.
mike_c: wouldn't want to be accused of being a shill and "associate" of jurov :)
damagebritain: oh I'm not it looks like it just crashed and isn't hashing yet?
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Fine wait, I'll get the referral link
mike_c: it's not a mining company
jurov`: mike_c you will be accused anyway, why not get paid for it?
kakobrekla: hear that mp, cardanos not hashing yet wahts up wiff dat
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's a Coinbr referral link.
mircea_popescu: we will make a statement about the statement which we can't make for legal reasons at a later point which is very sorry to please understand death in the family my new car crashed
mircea_popescu: "By making their product or artwork display neotenous traits, designers attempt to sway people to enjoy or desire their product because it appears childish, adorable, soft or otherwise desirable. By making a product cute, the nucleus accumbens in the human brain is targeted and elicits a protective or coddling response, which encourages an individual to acquire (purchase) said item. By designing items, characters, food
mircea_popescu: or anything else in this manner, product designers attempt to create the same reaction to a product that a human baby could create."
jurov`: don't forget to get experts of unrelated company involved under nda
mircea_popescu: he has 2 year's experience in managing website creation and deployment,
BingoBoingo: damagebritain: Here's more text explaining what S.NSA has planned in the near future.
ozbot: S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: so honest question : company with watercooled blades vs company with pubis-bare shirts.
jurov`: mp needs photos with goo
mircea_popescu: if difficulty shoots up too much at least you can eat the cheese.
gribble: MtGox lag is 2.777023 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0055651229989 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16666 @ 0.00258018 = 43.0013 BTC [+] {17}
kakobrekla: i dont think thers much game in sex and btc, but if pays dividends....
KRS|gotyawallet: Bitcoin-Ass specials: 2 liters anal lube .003 BTC. SENSATIONAL!! 23" Monster Cock (only comes in color BLACK) made with the finest rubber and steel belts. BLOWOUT: Everyone's favorite laxitive COLON BLOW. Everyday low price .001 BTC.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3314 @ 0.00274 = 9.0804 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 380 @ 0.00274 = 1.0412 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00274 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
Vexual: choocks finally started laying
dub: you are that guy from wolf creek right?
Vexual: i dunno what kind, theyre brown, got them from the market
Vexual: four of your finest pullets please sir
ozbot: aussie chook laying egg - this one's a cracker! - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so basically designers should be round up and shot. <<<< in some regards, yes, but in the end a designer is paid to solve a "problem" and more often than not, in a way they would not prefer
ThickAsThieves: clients cause oodles of depression and frustration for that field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 209 @ 0.00274 = 0.5727 BTC [+]
Vexual: ahh so thats why i baby talk to my vw bettle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00274 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: come to think of it, i kinda disagree with the premise that designers create things to look babyish
Vexual: your little fuely wuely pump is so inaccesible and ALWYAS FUCKING BREAKIN!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00081427 = 1.71 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: KRS|gotyawallet: Well, with especially failed altcoins there is not uncommonly just one holder and setting the exchange rate so arbitrarily involves a minimal amount of actual money.
mike_c: bitbars are "rare", so the price of one doesn't mean much. market cap of all them is only $600k
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin QuarkCoin Megacoin Proto
jurov`: Sooo dude from fortune just asked me if he can fund coinbr account with credit card...
KRS|gotyawallet: a lot of people are going to receive teh proverbial "sore anus" at some distant future.
jurov`: Dunno what card, i rejected. But maybe i can actually sell the card for btc and use that to fund the acct?
ozbot: Katana Kitsao Gona: Kenya goat sex attacker faces victim in court | Metro News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00048972 = 1.4692 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> litecoin almost $1b <<< do you realise most fiat companies are worth less than the lauighingstock altcoin ?
jurov`: Oh and he wants to really short bitcoins not just buy/sell some options.
jurov`: Anyone wants to lend him for lulz?
Vexual: then cry to visa when he fails?
mircea_popescu: jurov` if he can't readily buy bitcoin how would he sell it ?
mircea_popescu: inb4 he ends up with 7k of mtgox usd he can't actually get sent to his acct and we get a forbes bitcointalk thread
benkay: why do the traditional short instead of playing options?
jurov`: Hmmmm.. that's where the lulz come.
BingoBoingo: ... So the Fortune editor is basically Bakewell 2.0? Can he even ident with gribble?
mircea_popescu: benkay maybe because the plan is to short enough to move the price ?
jurov`: Dunno. Not in mood to investigate.
benkay: BingoBoingo: he hit irc from a web client.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Still doesn't preclude getting in the WoT
benkay: BingoBoingo: implies insufficient familiarity with the toolchain to get in the WoT.
jurov`: So should i just write him i have friends on irc and they will loan you?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would imagine guy got a good enough starter to figure what's what. at this point either he's on a deadline for the next article and well, just drops the entire thing,
mircea_popescu: or else embarks on the 6 mo to a year of lurking, reading and so on.
BingoBoingo: benkay: He's a senior editor. I'm pretty sure he can bully one of his help desk dorks into loaning him the coins.
mike_c: nah, his help desk dork with btc is worth more than him now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and then he gets davout to whitelist him on btc central or what ?
Vexual: maybe they gonna out satoshi
benkay: BingoBoingo: his help desk dorks don't have enough btc to short and move the price anywhere
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine he does an OTC trade in a rest stop bathroom?
gribble: A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 1115751.6083 USD and would take the last price down to 1100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1115.7516 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0702 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 34063873.7035 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 34.0639 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 16.7910 seconds
jurov`: ThickAsThieves: can I kindly refer him to bitcoin powerhouse of TAT Investments?
mircea_popescu: benkay to quote one of the better lines in city hall, "You ever seen a journalist with a million dollars in cash ?"
ThickAsThieves: unless he wants to a secret shadowy silhouette article on me
Vexual: are bloggers journalists?
benkay: all journalists are bloggers now.
mircea_popescu: truffles tat shorted the difficulty, i'll have you know.
benkay: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves how'd shorting the difficulty work out?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.002735 = 0.3145 BTC [-]
benkay: "the market can remain irrational far longer than you can remain solvent"
mircea_popescu: benkay it can remain rational for even longer than you can remain irrational, is the catch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1085 @ 0.00273959 = 2.9725 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1256 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.1215% in 6d 14h 35m 14s
gribble: Current Blocks: 272919 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 1256 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 880424029.301 | Estimated Percent Change: 24.45769
benkay: i'm intrigued by the bitbet about difficulty falling
BingoBoingo: This blogger is willing to offer the Senior Editor a 2,500,000 Satoshi Grant to study shorting Bitcoin or a 5,000,000 Satoshi loan
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, any arrangement wherein you borrow bitcoin and then sell it is, in fact, an option.
mike_c: well, that is the definition of a short
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mircea_popescu: mike_c but your contract has an implicit strike (established by the interest you pay on the borrow and the price you get on the sale)
benkay: dat topological identity.
benkay: i was wondering the other night how likely bitbet would be to displace formal options trading
mircea_popescu: how do you think options ended up existing in the first place,
mircea_popescu: it's not like i was bored one day and invented a new thing/
mike_c: ah, i see your point. got it.
benkay: well yeah and the whole otc lubrication of trade
benkay: er otc -> contract standardization i mean
BingoBoingo: stephengandel: Do you have a bitcoin client of you own running yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0008094 = 7.4465 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if you look at it, the yes side is few and mostly large bets, the no is mostly many small bets
mircea_popescu: this to me looks definitely like miners are dominating the yes side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 883 @ 0.00274 = 2.4194 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00274973 = 0.3437 BTC [+]
ozbot: Animaniacs: Macadamia Nut **Lyrics in Description** - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00274982 = 0.3877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7400 @ 0.0001099 = 0.8133 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00276 = 0.2401 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: did Havelock skip having a forum thread for the new IPOz?
Duffer1: i didn't even look, i read the email then deleted it when i read the 3rd quarter 2014 part
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1190 @ 0.00010995 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
ozbot: SENIGMA a way forward?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1250 @ 0.00012 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Duffer1: 7c IPOing soon, won't get anything done for a year (while btc price triples in the meantime) sounds like another VTX
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6032 @ 0.00011017 = 0.6645 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5699 @ 0.00011966 = 0.6819 BTC [+] {4}
Vexual: 7c would be a lot cooler if they were building a town in antarctica
mircea_popescu: "For a few months now, Whilst I hold my share prices at 0.012, When I started, This was nothing, Now it is starting to be something, Whilst this is good for early adopters who have got the value back already, Is this too high for anyone else to come in?
mircea_popescu: what part of the "i hold my share prices" do i woefully misunderstand ?
mircea_popescu: so is it an actual bond, as in, with a principal and everything ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [-]
Vexual: yep, he buys mining equipment. dividends exist. the end
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 320 @ 0.04412653 = 14.1205 BTC [-]
Vexual: I will set a buy back out at 20% ???
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00278701 = 5.574 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: “I’ve sent large amounts by wire and it’s always worked within 24 hours. Check your deposit "
ThickAsThieves: so does btc-e carrying litecoin prevent the Gox effect here?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00278768 = 3.6017 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33676818 BTC [-]
snackman: which one of you is mircea_popescu ?
snackman: pathethic piece of romanian scum
snackman: or whatever post-communist shithole you come from
ThickAsThieves: now taking bets on how long before snakcmna is banned or run out of here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.33586098 = 3.6945 BTC [-] {8}
snackman: this gypsy owes me 1,000,000 US-dollar cents
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1440 @ 0.00278768 = 4.0143 BTC [+]
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snackman: mircea_popescu: nice cartoon, also nice post btw
snackman: is that you in the header picture?
mircea_popescu: so rarely women do anything worth the mention. why rob them of the little they do.
snackman: well, mircea_popescu, sorry but i can't get it out of my head: *why* do you not want to pay me my 10btc back. please just explain it to me in a calm and rational way
ThickAsThieves: i was just like wow this dude is very progressive with these gay frames
mircea_popescu: snackman actually, there was a post about that, too. didja read that ?
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm listening to what you have to say. that post developed into a bashfest
kakobrekla: as all the roads lead to rome, all the questions lead to trilema
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'm still listening. you are wasting my precious time
ThickAsThieves: we're all wasting each other precious time, dont give him all the credit
snackman: mircea_popescu: you might wanna look up megalomania then
mircea_popescu: i was thinking... this guy's theory is that i simultaneously invented the thing and also don't know what it is ?!
dub: megalomania is an awesome old RTS game
snackman: mircea_popescu: so then tell me, why are your genes contaminated by sub-human east european scum parents?
dub: fast bux are the best bux derp
snackman: ThickAsThieves: because i wanted to make the most out of it
dub: did he just call mp a nigger?
snackman: mircea_popescu: at least we have schools here :)
Duffer1: cancelled due to budget cuts mp :P
mircea_popescu: i think i should be insulted by being related to the hottest chicks on planet earth or something
snackman: for everybody, not just the overprivileged party members
snackman: mircea_popescu: nah, i don't think that
Duffer1: if it's not football it's not funded
jamespeerless: does bitbet have a minimum bet? seems like they'd lose money on transaction fees if I don't bet much?
snackman: mircea_popescu: tbh, it's kinda hard to debate an online nickname that has taken 10btc from you and tries to keep it using "arguments"
ozbot: MIT genuises with lightbulb - YouTube
Bunnyh: is the NO on bitbet charts really gray? seems teal to me
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the reason is that we're oldfags, which means rich, which means with a lot of old coinbases, which means tx are free. or something.
mircea_popescu: the prioritization of txs takes into account the concept of "bitcoin days destroyed"
mircea_popescu: that's the product of a coinbase's volume with its age.
snackman: truffles: because my transaction was not confirmed in time
snackman: truffles: it was placed on the correct bet though
mircea_popescu: so if you have 1k btc that weren't moved for 3 years, you get about 1mn times the priority of a 1btc that was moved yest.
truffles: snackman gotta read fine prints
mircea_popescu: in principle it's good for the network to keep moving coins around, i suspect.
snackman: truffles: they weren't, they were FAQs, and i never agreed to them, also this particular clause was *surprising*, therefore not applicable for yet another reason
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well because of the particular design, seems implicit in it.
ThickAsThieves: Hey MP, how bout a compromise, put "Late Bets Will Be Retained" or such on the Send Bitcoins page of bitbet
☟︎ snackman: mircea_popescu is only not returning them because he assumes that it is unlikely that i will sue him in romania
truffles: so ur situation was outside of terms ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem with this approach is that 1. it empowers nonsense and 2. it bloats pages.
Vexual: faqs are accepted to form contract
snackman: truffles: yet, because the txn was sent before, it only arrived later because nobody confirmed it
dub: interestingly educatoin in .us and .ro sucks somewhat equally
mike_c: i always took the priority the opposite, that is - it is discouraging moving coins too much by giving recently spent coins lower priority
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu not like you can mitigate it
snackman: Vexual: yes, if they explicitely ask you to confirm them, which they didnt
dub: though dumb romanians are smarter than dumb americans
snackman: Vexual: also only if there are no surprising clauses
mircea_popescu: mike_c when i say move coins around i mean, not have very old coinbases.
ThickAsThieves: so you dont think "reasonable man" is a concept to consider?
ThickAsThieves: a reasonable man would likely assume his bet would either be valid at the time of sending, or refunded at a fee
Vexual: a reasonable man reads the contract
snackman: mircea_popescu has forgotten the current btc price, making my loss around 12000 usd, making it more than worth pursing a lawyer. also for the satisfaction of seeing this bastard lose in court
truffles: snackman i get what ure saying, id already have refunded u if it were my biz though, gl
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a reasonable man would not send bitcoin on the basis of his assumptions.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the reasonable man can start sending to random addresses.
snackman: mircea_popescu: nice non sequitur
snackman: mircea_popescu: and nice attempt derailing his point
ThickAsThieves: do what you want, i;m just sayin youll likely have this problem continually
mike_c: seriously, if it is such an important amount of money why didn't you do a little research first? doesn't that seem wrong to you at all?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00278768 = 0.5575 BTC [+]
snackman: mike_c: there was not much time left
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time.
mike_c: right.. so you should not have done it.
snackman: mike_c: also, i followed the basic rules: bet on what you think will win
mircea_popescu: the space in which bitcoin busienss will happen is primarily shapen by what sort of precedent we create for it.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves well, i'm doing what i think is right, and in so doing i'm preventing others from having the same sort of problem all the time. <<< fair enough
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are a scum to the bitcoin economy and community
snackman: mircea_popescu: you are but a leach, you are what is disgraceful in human beings
mike_c: snackman: can you settle a bet for me. have you placed any more bets on bitbet yet?
snackman: mircea_popescu: then why would 10btc matter to you?
mike_c: cmon snack, fess up. you've place more bets haven't you :)
ThickAsThieves: because he feels his policy helps create the kind of world he wants to live in
snackman: ThickAsThieves: why would i be a good diplomat?
truffles: i dont think u want him to be more convincing
mike_c: i will send you 0.001 btc if you answer me. it will help you recover.
Duffer1: someone lost money.. on bitbet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00081266 = 3.21 BTC [+]
turbo_ac100: Namworld, I can't get my S.BBET and S.BBET redeemed. That's still possible right?
snackman: mike_c: of course i have placed more bets afterwards on bidbet
snackman: Duffer1: they are lying to keep my ONE MILLION cents
mike_c: awwww, sweet, i win. post address and i will send the donation
mike_c: if you want the 0.0001 btc i promised
Duffer1: i don't believe they would have to lie to keep your money, there must be something i'm missing
dub: mike_c: make sure you pay the fee
Duffer1: not like my opinion matters at all in this anyways, i was just curious
dub: mike_c: might want to also check if snackman is the 1 person that doesnt require confirmations
snackman: mike_c: 16TNs3DYjkGZrnEW4KV7ust6sWU3Esk7eW
mircea_popescu: in 2020 mike_c will be all like "well sonny, i remember back in the old days, mp was there, and i sent this kid a whole bitcent on a lark"
dexX7: Duffer1: problem was actually that the bet was already resolved when his tx/bet was confirmed which - according to bitbet's faq - entitles bitbet to keep the coins
Vexual: and the lawyer got paid a three yeart retainer on that one case...
jamespeerless: mircea_popescu: do you know if sendmany only charges one transaction fee regardless of # of recipients?
jamespeerless: what about the 'per kb' rules? i think i read somewhere that 5 recipients is about 1kb? any merit to that?
dub: looking back on how much a trilemna page view cost should be fun
mircea_popescu: jamespeerless the recipients aren't the problem. it's about 60 bytes per
mircea_popescu: your inputs are often the problem, because 1 btc could be made out of 100 mn inputs, aka 10gb
snackman: mircea_popescu: yes, i know. it's not her either, just a random pic from the internet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00278768 = 0.7304 BTC [+] {3}
snackman: This article is available for a fee.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 286 @ 0.00278769 = 0.7973 BTC [+]
dexX7: what's the amount of free articles again?
snackman: no, i scrolled through a bunch of them to see if this counter was real or trolling
dub: yea, dude is running around telling everyone not to use bitbet and avoid mp. all the while still useing bitbet and hanging on mp's every blog
mike_c: bottom right is mpoe-pr
Vexual: counting and reading all on the same day?
snackman: dub: i literally just explained to you why the counter was 0
snackman: Vexual: i klicked on 6 articles to see if the fee counter was a troll, which would have been funny indeed, if not, retarded as fuck
ThickAsThieves`: It's hard to explain puns to kleptomaniacs because they always take things literally.
☟︎ mike_c: mircea_popescu: are company reports exempt from fee?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy on the right there with the dorky hairdue is actually the lawyer you'll probably end up having to argue with
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, if you don't need to read more than 20 a month.
snackman: mircea_popescu: who doesn't have a dorky haircut in the picture?
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, what picture is this?
mircea_popescu: snackman well you're poor and so can't afford the context.
snackman: mircea_popescu: let the king explain to the peasant then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0028 = 0.238 BTC [+] {2}
snackman: mircea_popescu: how many do you own?
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 1243 blocks | Estimated Change: 24.4964% in 6d 12h 14m 26s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028 = 0.56 BTC [+]
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you happen to get any higher resolution pix of your PR chick, let me know.
Duffer1: ya that doesn't sounds creepy dude
snackman: mircea_popescu: i'd happily wank to a girl that's into bitcoins
snackman: mircea_popescu: oh sorry, misunderstood you
snackman: mircea_popescu: also, if you would be willing to return even, let's say 10% of the money, that would save both of us lots of stress and i would not bother you again
snackman: seeing that i probably will really have to contact a lawyer...
mircea_popescu: use your noggin for thinking : if my return from hanging out here were actually negative, i wouldn't or else i'd have you sent off.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, talking to random peeps on irc isn't stressing me, it's mildly enjoyable.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Clarification on a much earlier point of yours. No lawyers presentinga criminal defense, but lawyers are fine arguing in civil cases?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure. the worst they can do is lose you some money.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I think I've been doing this legal shit backasswards.
dub: the guy donated $12k to you, might sa well hang out on irc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.0028 = 0.4144 BTC [+]
mike_c: well, to the shareholders
dub: shit, throw him some blog credits, he earned it
mike_c: he also drummed up a lot of new business
mircea_popescu: no cause he insultged my megalomania by claiming my troll counter is megalomaniac
dub: mp is 80% of shareholders tho
snackman: mircea_popescu: bets are weighted, so late bets do not disturb the force field
mircea_popescu: yesrly. kako and i have ~35% + w/e didn't sell of the 30% put on sale.
jamespeerless: why do you even have share holders? why not just run it yourself?
mircea_popescu: snackman except if the bet closes early, cause that means the weight was out of whack.