bounce: dunno. 40 nm slc or something.
bounce: (notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.)
bounce: the volunteers tend to not see it that way
bounce: huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here)
bounce: I'm not (directly) paying for the connection either
bounce: were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere.
bounce: can't do that in this situation though. I suppose I could at least separate out ze wifi with an extra box.
bounce: the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer
bounce: lot of docsis2 kit floating around fer cheapers, docsis3 not so much
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mike_c: for you 3d printing nerds:
ozbot: Taste Testing 3D-Printed Food - YouTube
moiety: mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys
mike_c: interlocking candy is pretty cool
moiety: though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days
moiety: i wonder if it could do interlocking tablet
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mircea_popescu: moar like bitpay steps in to rescue coinbase which steps in to rescue kraken which steps in to rescue neobee which steps in to rescue i forget what
mircea_popescu: cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something
cazalla: neobeo stepped in to rescue weex remember
Duffer1: second someone had money in weex?
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moiety: omg my eyes burn at thattattoo mircea_popescu
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moiety: asciilifeform: i have a manul i cant read! its in russian i think
dignork: moiety, I had this as wallpaper on my desktop pc :)
moiety: lolol thank you very much asciilifeform!
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dignork: moiety, neat, but no text. p.s. windows?
moiety: dignork: i rotate my manuls, some are unlabelled. and i would prefer a non-microshaft machine, but priorities just now
moiety: asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist)
moiety: lololol ^ [still embarrased i thought he was really that size D:]
BingoBoingo: moiety: That one might be, "glandular disorder"
moiety: lolol BingoBoingo "he's just big boned!"
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moiety: BingoBoingo: is he just famous for looking grumpy too?
moiety: i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do?
moiety: ah.. "proud, plotting and evil, as though he might actually murder a small human just for sport."
moiety: I didn't know you had a cat BingoBoingo! :P
moiety: just kidding, you need to get a corgi
cazalla: moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain
moiety: cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose
cazalla: moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc
moiety: cazalla: that's one thing that can be said for our nessie, she doesn't ever move lol
jayk: love that country pie
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KRS-One: yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end. He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn.
KRS-One: They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days.
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moiety: whenever i write anything, i just sound sarcastic as fuck D:
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MisterE: cazalla: I forgot, what do you do man? work in IT?
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MisterE: we had that great chat the other night then nothing since I feel like I've ben dumped after a hot 1-night stand :p
MisterE: but, without the gay stuff
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cazalla: MisterE: nothing atm, stay at home dad
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cazalla: ah, he's not here.. who doesn't use a bouncer?
Mats_cd03: but theres a log so it doesnt really matter
cazalla: but i don't know if he reads it so he might assume i am ignoring him
cazalla: plus i'm instantly suspicious when someone asks what i do
cazalla: it's 2014, i can be a stay at home dad, check your privilege ffs
Mats_cd03: being a stay at home dad is privilege
artifexd: Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.
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Mats_cd03: its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo
cazalla: Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P
cazalla: breastfeeding mothers are in a class of their own when it comes to nagging/whinging
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cazalla: MisterE: so you do read logs
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cazalla: so what do you do for a crust
cads: wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it
☟︎ cads: then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_
cazalla: cads: are you still sober these days?
cazalla: you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago
cazalla: i wasn't having a go at you
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cads: I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot
cazalla: I quit drinking for almost 2 years, started again few weeks before my son was born for some reason
joecool: cazalla: i'm guessing you are not the mother
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cazalla: I must be really drunk if i am
cads: cazalla: like.. how much booze?
cads: I have a friend that is so boozy he's constantly at risk of being homeless and I have to ask him is it worth it :P
cads: and he says "hell no it's not"
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cads: and keeps right on drinking it's ... heartbreaking
cazalla: Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all
cazalla: and that's when the problems can occur
cads: hey I guess that's not a bad place to be looking out from
cazalla: MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else
cazalla: I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk
cads: I wouldn't wanna drunk holding my kid, even if that drunk was me :P
cads: I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them
cads: but you'll do the right thing
cazalla: I don't do that, I just hop into bed and let the wife deal with the crying in the evening
cazalla: Well, technically not married
cazalla: together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married
cazalla: We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then
joecool: must have a crappy surname
cazalla: Which sounds like alarm bells to me if anyone else said it but it's all good
joecool: "yeah sry i don't want to be mrs. cockgobbler, i hope you understand"
cazalla: joecool: she's just brainwashed by women's rights, funny how a lot of that went away once she fell pregnant
cads: "lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"
cazalla: cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man
joecool: cazalla: first year or so my gf thought she'd want to keep her last name, decided she doesn't care now
cads: cazalla: that's strange
joecool: in fact she wants to change her first name's spelling as a package deal after she gets married
cads: I wouldn't ever want to inflict my last name upon a girl
cazalla: cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says
cads: lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot
cazalla: joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with
cazalla: cads: she has great tits though
joecool: oh vegan would be dealbreaker i think, that or tobacco smoker
cads: I do vegan only if she cooks
cads: and doesn't care if I eat meat
cazalla: my wife can't cook or clean :\
cads: she must make a total shameless exception for sushi
joecool: though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time
cads: god I would hate to clean better than my wife
cazalla: it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par
cazalla: so i cook and clean but she's also breastfeeding so i don't mind so much, that's a job on it's own
cazalla: it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born
joecool: prob stopped burning the bras now that she needs the support, etc
cazalla: she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different
cads: lol, feminists argue single parent families are just as good from statistical standpoint?
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cads: or just an idealogical one :)
cazalla: some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays
cazalla: backflippd on abortion too, as did i
cazalla: at least for non medical reasons anyway
cads: dang, hormones, the ultimate argument
cazalla: just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia
joecool: i find it lulzy to see vegan pro-abortionists, i guess my logic is strutured a bit differently
cazalla: that's not so much my wife, more so her friend who would bring that stupid stuff up and my wife being submissive would just nod and parrot it
cazalla: i don't know how her husband explained to his parents he was changing his surname to hers
cads: I mean I'm sure societies where that happens predominantly are juuuust fine
cads: it just seems like a bitch move
cazalla: not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends
cazalla: they come around here and i just stay in the computer room while the 3 of them chat
nubbins`: WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND ROSE OH HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM HE FUCKING HATES YOU GUYS
cazalla: heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me
cazalla: and i think he would need permission from his wife to take an interest in what i do in here
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ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
BingoBoingo: Apparently Havelock is reopening Cog for trading
Duffer1: remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff
wywialm: hey, could anyone explain to me what does ATC stand for?
Duffer1: I'm not sure if that project's been abandoned yet though
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wywialm: altcoins in general or a specific project (unknown to me) with this name?
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wywialm: BingoBoingo: could you point to some details, please?
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
BingoBoingo: It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.
BingoBoingo: Some people are contemplating gambling sites.
wywialm: in what ways ATC differs from, um, altcoins?
BingoBoingo: Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.
BingoBoingo: People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.
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wywialm: so the power in the name? and what about mechanics?
cazalla: since when does that matter for altcoins?
wywialm: oh, finally, my google-fu allowed me to find something about it
ozbot: Novena | Crowd Supply
cads: punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links
punkman: cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months
cads: like your choice of dokuwiki, I've used that for a couple projects
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cads: punkman: have you played around with parts produced by a DLP machine?
punkman: cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often
cads: I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print
cads: yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost
punkman: they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap
punkman: $300/kg ABS filament for those
cads: our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.
cads: our parts were sturdier and overall similar quality
cads: I didn't know we were also getting our material 6 times cheaper
punkman: ABS pellets are like $100 for 1000kg
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cads: I'd like a printer that uses direct pellets
cads: probably a bad idea
punkman: easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now
cads: I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators
cads: so I can extrude wide ribbons
punkman: that's mad scientist stuff
cads: not even the objet does it that way
cads: I think it would be too easy to cook that kind of a system
cads: actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic
cads: rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column
cads: then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic
cads: if the plastic isn't cooked you just bolt on another orifice plate and fire it back up
punkman: Polyjet tech does that array of "pores" thing, but you can't control viscous material like ABS in it
punkman: so it uses resin and cures it quickly
cads: yeah that's the big problem
cads: it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech
cads: I think the extruder head (or build plate) may need to rotate in the w axis
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cads: punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill
cads: as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)
cads: I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders
punkman: yeah that's not really gonna work
cads: but I feel like lags and hysteresis in the extruder have a role to play there too
cads: I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol
punkman: you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast
punkman: not great for detail of course
cads: I wonder if that would be okay for support too
cads: 1mm increases rate of plastic flow by 4?
cads: I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no
punkman: I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same
cads: anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent
punkman: yeah I'm gonna do some work too
cads: hmm, later height should be 0.8 mm
cads: you save four 0.2 mm layer in one fell goop
punkman: I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months
jurov: wha, still going? :)
bounce: pity that novena thing has like nothing on available keyboards except "bring your own"
punkman: bounce, thinkpad keyboards are easy to get
punkman: that's a really weird design for the $2k option though
bounce: hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys
ozbot: Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange
antephialtic: asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?
BingoBoingo: I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different
antephialtic: trezor can sign arbitrary messages, not just bitcoin transactions
antephialtic: if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more
antephialtic: nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address
BingoBoingo: Well, the other problem though is that it is still ecdsa sigs
antephialtic: right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling
antephialtic: what's wrong with ecdsa sigs? backdoored by NSA?
antephialtic: if thats true, we are already screwed :) government can just take all our bitcoins
BingoBoingo: Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated
antephialtic: I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all
truffles: if everything has a backdoor any1 would seem allknowing :D
BingoBoingo: Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.
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davout: how do i get the bid/ask?
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punkman: "years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."
punkman: "I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not laugh."
moiety: i missed the 3d printing talk D:
moiety: 3D printed manuls punkman ... just a thought
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BingoBoingo: Imma bout to get hit with a squall line in about 5-15 minutes. If I'm offline a while it is because assholes decide above ground power and internet are great in a area with trees and frequent wind storms
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0574 = 0.861 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04523999 = 0.4524 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05789994 = 0.2895 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04515249 = 0.1806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0579 = 0.2316 BTC [+]
ozbot: Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00096 = 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-]
bounce: it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.
BingoBoingo: This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04410003 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000953 = 3.9073 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]
VanCleef: any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?
ozbot: Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes
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ozbot: Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area |
BingoBoingo: This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact
ozbot: In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge
BingoBoingo: The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04391818 = 0.4831 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.
BingoBoingo: "The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."
BingoBoingo: The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.
mircea_popescu: "we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"
mircea_popescu: "Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp
mircea_popescu: my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc
mircea_popescu: o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?
ThickAsThieves: mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort
mircea_popescu: i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great
BingoBoingo: The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely
ThickAsThieves: but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least
mircea_popescu: anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.
mircea_popescu: by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.
BingoBoingo: Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model
mircea_popescu: suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts
BingoBoingo: Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!
moiety: imagine the sounds it would make tooo
moiety: was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory
mircea_popescu: just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.
mircea_popescu: if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.
moiety: i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife
moiety: ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?
moiety: spider-cats? i have two
mircea_popescu: if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?
mircea_popescu: that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam
mircea_popescu: but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.
mircea_popescu: this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.
mircea_popescu: the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.
mircea_popescu: re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.
mircea_popescu: same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,
mircea_popescu: then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.
BingoBoingo: Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse
ThickAsThieves: mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?
mircea_popescu: and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.
mircea_popescu: i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.
BingoBoingo: picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron
ThickAsThieves: i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?
chetty: National Foundation for the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined
mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident
ThickAsThieves: i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing
mircea_popescu: or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)
ThickAsThieves: for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now
mircea_popescu: you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going
BingoBoingo: It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware
mircea_popescu: where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.
mircea_popescu: this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do
mircea_popescu: the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in
mircea_popescu: the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.
mircea_popescu: if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.
mircea_popescu: i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.
mircea_popescu: remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.
mircea_popescu: in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.
mircea_popescu: so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"
ThickAsThieves: i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"
BingoBoingo: Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first
mircea_popescu: i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.
ThickAsThieves: i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification
mircea_popescu: but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china
mircea_popescu: the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.
mircea_popescu: we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,
ThickAsThieves: i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise
mircea_popescu: running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.
ThickAsThieves: things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over
mircea_popescu: the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.
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ThickAsThieves: are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt
dirt_: dont effort into me
truffles: asciilifeform u have a blog right? link again plz
mircea_popescu: anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,
ThickAsThieves: what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia
ThickAsThieves: and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this
ThickAsThieves: of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown
mircea_popescu: my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness
truffles: somehow i had forgotten to bookmark
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers
mircea_popescu: and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.
ThickAsThieves: i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere
ThickAsThieves: if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else
mircea_popescu: suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.
mircea_popescu: the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was
chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.
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ThickAsThieves: i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov
ThickAsThieves: well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir
mircea_popescu: the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
☟︎ truffles: omg rly mp u hate ppl who dont agree with u hypocrite
ThickAsThieves: thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool
mircea_popescu: it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D
ThickAsThieves: kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex
mircea_popescu: nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.
mircea_popescu: this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets
mircea_popescu: aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?
truffles: link me (will put on my to do list)
mircea_popescu: however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.
mircea_popescu: she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.
truffles: mankind vanishing sounds kinda hmmm
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash
ThickAsThieves: The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."
mircea_popescu: he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.
mircea_popescu: for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.
antephialtic: VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself
VanCleef: bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality
truffles: TAT why dont u start another channel with the debate stuff?
BingoBoingo: I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping
VanCleef: its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay
antephialtic: Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps
truffles: TAT i think it will achieve what u want better imo :)
VanCleef: yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch
BingoBoingo: antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan
mircea_popescu: so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.
mircea_popescu: let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.
BingoBoingo: Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC
antephialtic: look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly
truffles: i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable
mircea_popescu: you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.
ThickAsThieves: reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy
BingoBoingo: truffles: There's always only been one topic here
mircea_popescu: i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
mircea_popescu: dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.
VanCleef: its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs
mircea_popescu: that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.
BingoBoingo: truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging
mircea_popescu: antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest
mircea_popescu: in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference
truffles: nice that everything is on 3 things though
mircea_popescu: <antephialtic> asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.
antephialtic: I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use
mircea_popescu: antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.
antephialtic: well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"
mircea_popescu: overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative
mircea_popescu: they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.
ThickAsThieves: i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff
mircea_popescu: actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"
antephialtic: but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative
antephialtic: (to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)
mircea_popescu: antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,
ThickAsThieves: last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"
ThickAsThieves: is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?
mircea_popescu: "you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."
ThickAsThieves: 5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area
ThickAsThieves: so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?
BingoBoingo: Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to
BingoBoingo: The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls
moiety: what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!
mircea_popescu: nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.
moiety: not yet mircea_popescu
ozbot: News from The Associated Press
antephialtic: "The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."
BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have
VanCleef: how do you lose against a crack head tho?
moiety: BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?
moiety: approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane
moiety: lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD
moiety: takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here
jurov: where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?
moiety: lol not from this city £100+
moiety: it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)
nubbins`: still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here
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moiety: and its those shady wee 12 seater things
BingoBoingo: That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge
moiety: we has both :D thats the city
moiety: 3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol
nubbins`: man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month
nubbins`: but they're always sold out of MEDIUM
nubbins`: hundreds of all other sizes in stock
jurov: buy L and cook them?
jurov: and label them "pre-shrunk"
nubbins`: well last time the customer just got a bunch of large
BingoBoingo: If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"
nubbins`: but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order
nubbins`: i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths
jurov: BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page
nubbins`: one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans
nubbins`: there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out
ozbot: Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post
nubbins`: always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings
nubbins`: "Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"
BingoBoingo: Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: stenography shorthand, fascinating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.
pankkake: wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(
nubbins`: "People who go shopping every day hurt us all"
nubbins`: you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.
nubbins`: anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on
pankkake: Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.
nubbins`: "the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads
pankkake: eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year
mircea_popescu: one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.
nubbins`: "Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"
pankkake: stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.
nubbins`: "maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago
moiety: nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol
nubbins`: "plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"
nubbins`: modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning
nubbins`: it's amazing how quickly a society forgets
rithm: i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam
nubbins`: thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: cat is running a fractional reserve
nubbins`: "nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"
nubbins`: "DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"
antephialtic: "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."
nubbins`: i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in
mircea_popescu: "our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work
mircea_popescu: "Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"
nubbins`: oh, shit, we're going for "cute"
nubbins`: speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:
mircea_popescu: "Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."
nubbins`: "wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"
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mircea_popescu: how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "
mircea_popescu: "Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."
nubbins`: "AUU MAI GAUUEDDDD AIIM SUCH A FLUUUURRRT"
ozbot: Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...
mircea_popescu: question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.
pankkake: oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from
kakobrekla: a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.
pankkake: Decentralized Autonomous Corporation
nubbins`: hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"
mircea_popescu: as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked
Asa9: omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!
kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young
kakobrekla: ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user turbo_ac100 has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?
mircea_popescu: i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead
pankkake: no the only thing that matters is the PCB color
nubbins`: i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new
Asa9: bladder augmentation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.
nubbins`: i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker
nubbins`: have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?
antephialtic: you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic
mircea_popescu: i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out
nubbins`: well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales
mike_c: <kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.
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chetty: British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet
nubbins`: "do not insert genitals into blender"
mircea_popescu: there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.
mircea_popescu: i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform
nubbins`: this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid
mircea_popescu: i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed
mircea_popescu: (as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)
mike_c: does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
nubbins`: skeksis are still fucking badass
nubbins`: there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though
nubbins`: the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles
rithm: take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000
nubbins`: pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?
rithm: so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster
rithm: "people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"
kakobrekla: from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.
rithm: sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game
nubbins`: asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo
rithm: everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement
rithm: it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability
rithm: erm except MPEx tho
nubbins`: was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries
nubbins`: imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque
rithm: step one is buy the gulfstream
rithm: step two is learn to fly
nubbins`: as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money
nubbins`: pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years
nubbins`: even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only
rithm: step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step
Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3}
rithm: step four abscond with monies
nubbins`: "let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"
nubbins`: "we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"
nubbins`: aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
nubbins`: convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
rithm: how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
mircea_popescu: perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
rithm: the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
rithm: i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
rithm: spend a little time each night sharpening my axe
rithm: your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town
rithm: if you use a machete sure
mircea_popescu: seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
mod6: crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.
mircea_popescu: if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
rithm: mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
nubbins`: it was called a "camping shovel"
mike_c: rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!
nubbins`: was always curious about the serrated edge
nubbins`: eventually decided it was for tree roots
mircea_popescu: buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
VanCleef: whatever happened to those chicks?
nubbins`: not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
nubbins`: entire discog available in every karaoke room
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
mircea_popescu: they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
mircea_popescu: "Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
mircea_popescu: someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
jurov: nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD
nubbins`: generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
turbo_ac100: mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
nubbins`: altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations
nubbins`: here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze
nubbins`: i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed
mircea_popescu: each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.
nubbins`: selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up
mircea_popescu: i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
nubbins`: it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty
nubbins`: st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
mircea_popescu: wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
mike_c: ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
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bounce: what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?
bounce: to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
bounce: I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity
mircea_popescu: on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
bounce: wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
bounce: though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.
Mats_cd03: "Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?
bounce: ;;google fridge logic tvtropes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
Mats_cd03: e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"
Mats_cd03: its my greatest disappointment in life
bounce: who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?
Mats_cd03: that ill never be able to traverse the stars
mircea_popescu: plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
bounce: nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
Mats_cd03: the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
Mats_cd03: the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)
ozbot: Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee
mircea_popescu: pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
bounce: ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
pankkake: I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up
mircea_popescu: if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.
bounce: aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4}
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pankkake: if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute
bounce: hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11}
bounce: no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.
mircea_popescu: bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.
bounce: who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells
mircea_popescu: running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?
bounce: geh. talk about unintended consequences.
mircea_popescu: that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.
bounce: am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?
mircea_popescu: "why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"
bounce: so lingering connections and all that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]
bounce: there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker
Mats_cd03: in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence
mircea_popescu: which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)
Mats_cd03: id rob banks for funsies if that was possible
mircea_popescu: all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"
mircea_popescu: the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)
ozbot: Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]
pLambert: mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]
dignork: pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.
pLambert: I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]
jurov: pLambert: just reload and retry
pLambert: basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words
pLambert: reloaded, still don't see any captcha
jurov: i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works
antephialtic: hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.
antephialtic: nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison
pLambert: amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980
pLambert: then why does it think i am inhuman?
mircea_popescu: just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting
antephialtic: rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain
antephialtic: hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.
ozbot: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pLambert: I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"
antephialtic: well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does
mircea_popescu: and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"
antephialtic: but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms
mircea_popescu: theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate
mircea_popescu: then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.
antephialtic: yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda
mircea_popescu: things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.
pLambert: hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?
pLambert: no notepad, I just typed into the comment field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
pLambert: The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.
pLambert: but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.00602307 = 0.1566 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0428 = 0.1284 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context
pLambert: right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics
mircea_popescu: macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance
pLambert: macbeth is the prototype of what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999002 BTC [-]
mike_c: google indexes the logs. i search them all the time
pLambert: yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 59 @ 0.01118777 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.
mike_c: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee
pankkake: sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00773887 = 0.1393 BTC [-] {3}
pLambert: Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.
pLambert: anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?
mircea_popescu: well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/
truffles: just post him a google link dood
bounce: what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?
pLambert: iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end
mircea_popescu: yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O
Urushiol: any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.
pLambert: wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea
mike_c: asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
mircea_popescu: lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.
pLambert: his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action
mike_c: sorry, a specific set of keys
pLambert: so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands
mike_c: i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.
pLambert: HIF guy said report should be out by 10th
mircea_popescu: pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.
mircea_popescu: kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.
mircea_popescu: "how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API
mircea_popescu: Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D
mike_c: bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!
pLambert: asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.
Urushiol: pLambert: it will give you a max though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2}
Urushiol: and take their projected expenses as assumptions
pLambert: yes, right. so what is that amount?
Urushiol: I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.
pLambert: oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform
Urushiol: that's what I thought you meant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042899 = 0.1716 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here
pLambert: isn't that how irc is supposed to work?
truffles: ofc not, chat rooms arent meant to have conversations..
truffles: sounds like some1 that knows all about "coding"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]
truffles: well it seems like lotta nerds with IT degrees appear robotic so
ozbot: Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification
truffles: bitcoin is like banking now os?
Namworld: I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.
Namworld: Soon they'll ask for blood samples.
mircea_popescu: there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago
ozbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.
Namworld: Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?
bounce: "congress gets written out of politics" how?
mircea_popescu: You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.
bounce: "coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml
bounce: you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz
bounce: presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.
mircea_popescu: congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.
benkay```: most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.
mircea_popescu: recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.
mircea_popescu: not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.
mircea_popescu: that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.
mircea_popescu: the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.
pLambert: bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants
bounce: not too much on the promises made though
pLambert: promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?
bounce: I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.
mircea_popescu: but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?
mircea_popescu: no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096371 = 7.7097 BTC [+]
bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3680 @ 0.00016748 = 0.6163 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?
ozbot: VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken
Namworld: Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0421 = 0.2526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7}
dexx: Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0594 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.
☟︎ dexx: isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: [WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00096129 = 14.0829 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0009616 = 16.0587 BTC [+]
pLambert: "Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?
benkay```: Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014
benkay```: Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.
pankkake: first time I see such rejection
nubbins`: pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side
pLambert: I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?
TomServo: haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014
pLambert: I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?
nubbins`: bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes
pankkake: yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet
mircea_popescu: pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.
nubbins`: someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them
mircea_popescu: thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"
mircea_popescu: and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall
mircea_popescu: turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.
nubbins`: pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle
mircea_popescu: reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet
mircea_popescu: the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding
pankkake: it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves
pLambert: but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?
mircea_popescu: "mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"
mircea_popescu: while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :
pLambert: well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?
mircea_popescu: since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.
nubbins`: well you're making some assumptions there
nubbins`: namely that bitbet would continue to function
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.
pLambert: heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades
nubbins`: conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?
pLambert: failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same
mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree
nubbins`: had to teach myself, essentially from scratch
pankkake: two *working* programs? that's better than most
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.
jborkl: mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"
nubbins`: pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?
jborkl: Texas, the state has a robin hood theory
jborkl: to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem
mircea_popescu: no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.
nubbins`: i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history
mircea_popescu: redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.
bounce: it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there
pankkake: I don't think there's new stuff
nubbins`: bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P
pankkake: TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too
nubbins`: that said, who cares what TLD is used
bounce: (relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)
nubbins`: pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind
nubbins`: doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.
bounce: 'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company
mircea_popescu: today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite
pankkake: maybe money is the root of all evil
nubbins`: the root of money is the root of all evil
bounce: what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?
nubbins`: might as well take it to brass tacks
truffles: parasites arent that lazi for sure
nubbins`: Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?
pankkake: nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!
nubbins`: ^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir
nubbins`: if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc
nubbins`: imagine the unfiltered version
Duffer1: Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
truffles: at least my pet wouldnt try that with something that small
ozbot: I'm done with Bitcoin Securities...
danielpbarron: lol, there is too regulation; individuals are just so desperate to get-rich-quick that they overlook obvious scams in a rush to beat everyone else into the early adopter position
mike_c: of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"
dexx: inb4: "it's not a scam but a failed business"
danielpbarron: it's hard to tell the difference; might as well be the same thing
pankkake: "Until we have decentralized exchanges with open source software"
pankkake: can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops
dexx: well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all
danielpbarron: i think there will be a resurgence of scams once the decentralized exchanges go totally live
pankkake: yes, that's all. interestingly, cryptostocks… is still here
danielpbarron: "The SEC is investigating all of the above" <--- not ready for Bitcoin; go home
dexx: maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"
danielpbarron: "bitcoin mining is also a scam" lolol... that's a pretty broad statement
danielpbarron: if you decentralize it far enough, might as well all keep our own money and not invest
danielpbarron: I mean that's the logical extreme and it completely defeats the purpose of investing
dexx: what's the relation between decentralization and keeping the money?
dexx: what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608099 BTC [+]
mgio_: mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable
mgio_: very few people have done better mining when measured by bitcoins in, bitcoisn out
dexx: if i may ask: why did the sec call you?
dexx: and fyi: they called korbman out of the blue, too
mgio_: They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00096371 = 14.0702 BTC [+]
dexx: nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?
mgio_: They called back in November
the20year2: And here I am, chugging along buying houses with bitcoin
mgio_: and then I talked to them again recently
mgio_: they chose me cause I posted on the forums and was easy to track down, I assume
danielpbarron: i think the two most valuable investments in Bitcoin are bitcoins and knowledge/networking
dexx: how can i invest in knowledge? ;)
mgio_: they wouldn't give me much information other than there was an ongoing investigation
danielpbarron: most of the bitcoiners have no idea how money works on these scales
mgio_: i really expected more from neo & bee.
danielpbarron: haphazerdly slapping terrible business plans together and actually finding investors
dexx: mgio_: i didn't expect it either
danielpbarron: you could spend a solid week just reading all the forum posts about all the scams, although I particularly like mircea_popescu's writing on the subject
mgio_: im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?
danielpbarron: there are still places to invest bitcoin that aren't scams.. they just aren't begging for investors
mgio_: well, i'll all done with it for now
mgio_: i invested in neo&bee when it was first announced, i used my xbond shares
danielpbarron: if you follow the crowd, you'll usually end up buying after the pump and selling after the dump
mgio_: i realized it was a long term investment
dexx: is it a confirmed scam now?
dexx: well, i guess insolvency implies that
danielpbarron: i read one this morning about a noob who didn't realize he was shorting bitcoin.... right before the price spike......
mgio_: Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now
mgio_: they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning
the20year2: I want to know why they had money in gox
mgio_: the CEO had some personal funds there
mgio_: yes, his own coins
the20year2: and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins
mgio_: Neo lost money from bitfunder/weexchange
truffles wonders if this is how rumors start
mgio_: thats a whole different story, where did that money go?
mgio_: who knows, ukyo will never tell us :)
mgio_: and won't even tell us why he won't tell us
the20year2: We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too
danielpbarron: maybe a lot of these scams will go away when nLockTime and multisig addresses go mainstream
mgio_: people are begging me to delete that thread. As if i could harm Neo&Bee any more :(
danielpbarron: there is no excuse for not keeping your funds under your own control
dexx: danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012
danielpbarron: yeah but they haven't been implemented in many wallet programs yet
mgio_: I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...
dexx: i hope it didn't break you, mgio_
Duffer1: are you part of the labcoin action mgio?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00096311 = 2.9375 BTC [-]
jurov: mgio_ you forgot mtgox
mgio_: yes, I am Duffer1, but I never got around to sending in all my information
mgio_: I hope its not too late
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam" << butofcourse :D
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today
Duffer1: mgio_ talk to virtuals on irc or virtualspade on bitcointalk.org he's handling all that
mircea_popescu: had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.
mgio_: don't get me wrong, i've still done very very well off of bitcoin (and some securities)
mgio_: it just seems to all gone to sh*t recently
mgio_: i should have been content to just let my coins sit in my wallet
mircea_popescu: <dexx> how can i invest in knowledge? ;) << trilema credits :D
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron don't forget the part where they fight EVIL FUDSTERS and my socks.
dexx: yes, i have a few :)
danielpbarron: yeah i bought some credits; that's a really cool system
mircea_popescu: "And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.
mircea_popescu: the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling
mircea_popescu: mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.
danielpbarron: a lot of the bitcoin media networks are helping promote the scammers; like letstalkbitcoin, they were giving coverage to AuroraCoin recently... that's woefully irresponsible of them
jurov: danielpbarron: because it's the same people
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron letstalkbitcoin are a buncha clueless kids.
mircea_popescu: max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.
danielpbarron: well you can get their news on iTunes; that's a huge market
jurov: i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware
jurov: i was running on cardano bet and nobody came
mike_c: exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
mgio_: what would you guys do if you were me, re ukyo.loan?
dexx: cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"
mike_c: plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped
jurov: maybe it was xmas 2014?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped << prolly th bigger factor. not much to hedge.
jurov: should have made bet on trezor instead
mike_c: even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, ognasty thinks neo was an "easily spottable" scam ?
dexx: he probably generalized
dexx: scam = labcoin = neo
dexx: ;;google ognasty trilema
mircea_popescu: well i didn't trilema each and every single one of them
mgio_: so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?
mgio_: all of us (i was kidding)
mike_c: if we == forum_users: print "yes"
mgio_: everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation
mircea_popescu: well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing
nubbins`: fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks
dexx: hehe looks like no one noticed
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 448.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 27538.79141599, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
mgio_: its really pretty accurate
mgio_: i dunno, someone posted it on my facebook wall yesterday
mgio_: its hilarious, play all the way through
ozbot: Advanced Bitcoin Simulator
mircea_popescu: In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.
mircea_popescu: lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.
bounce: before that it says "withdrawals will take up to 22 months"
mircea_popescu: Gave sensitive personal information to someone you don't know
mgio_: it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00095839 = 23.0014 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait a second. what do you mean by "blew" ?
ozbot: hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube
nubbins`: so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"
mike_c: i don't get that. must be a personalized result
mircea_popescu: do you perchance get "marry a whale and help her lose weight" ?
jurov: how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?
nubbins`: jurov they did it in outer space
mike_c: (obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)
danielpbarron: i'm not nearly as good at beepboopbitcoin as I am at real Bitcoin
jurov: asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?
jurov: that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon
danielpbarron: I think i'm really fortunate that I didn't start reading bitcointalk until very recently; i've been completely in the dark about all these potential ways to throw my money away
jurov: and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum
bounce: I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.
bounce: different uni then though
jurov: whats' grantmanship? uni vaporware?
mircea_popescu: btw jurov people keep asking me if that paper is for real :D
pankkake: mibbit is just a horrible web irc client
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.07801213 = 0.7021 BTC [-] {5}
mgio_: I just read your article on bitbet to leverage mining delays, very interesting stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 105 @ 0.00399993 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
chatquack: shhh shhhh shhhhhh, it's all going to be ok.
chatquack: Who want's to drink and quote frank zappa with me?
chatquack: ~Well, go on and get it over with it then~
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00812996 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3}
chatquack shakes turbo_ac100's hand and hands him a beer.
turbo_ac100 is listening to hands on experiences about compulsory auctions. Sent from his iPhone.
chatquack: All I found was a True Blood playlist.
chatquack: I smashed my 4s and it felt good/bad
chatquack: ~There are three things that smell like fish~
turbo_ac100: Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!
chatquack: ~The other two... are growing on youuuuuuuu~
chatquack: I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.
chatquack: So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.
chatquack: Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.
chatquack: I really like my land lord though. She's a sweety.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095945 = 7.6276 BTC [+]
chatquack: But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04239 = 0.3815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-]
chatquack: Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.
chatquack: I'm totally burning this place down. *love dave tho*
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube
chatquack: ~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN
chatquack whispers, "There's no one out there"
chatquack: I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.
chatquack: All I can think of is what's his face from SNL on Jeperdy.
chatquack: shhh, don't engage him, maybe he'll go away...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0424 = 0.212 BTC [+]
arizona: You aren't bothering me. Please procede.
chatquack: It's like getting hugged by a hedghog.
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube
chatquack: I think I've tripped harded enough to knock over a few billies.
chatquack: mircea_popescu's over here thinking, "I'm making money, I'm making money, I'm making money, this is just noise"
chatquack: Not that I have much to donate, but I shall.
chatquack: I'm going homeless at the end of the month.
chatquack: I'll probably save up more money than I ever have.
mircea_popescu: well don't donate if you're homeless, do a nekkid dance or something.
chatquack: oh shit, just spilt beer on my belly
chatquack: Really though, my last "homeless" car was bigger.
chatquack: This is really going to be a bit of a down-grade.
chatquack: Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.
cads: I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.
cads: how can you produce enough value to leave that state if your bandwidth is down to zero, I dunno.
cads: It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library
cads: where you'll at least have /some/ bandwidth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
chatquack: cads, you bring up an intresting point
chatquack: I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.
cads: you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area
chatquack: Oh snap, I should become one of thoese 'owners'.
cads: I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13223 @ 0.000179 = 2.3669 BTC [+] {5}
cads: neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources
cads: also in this day of strong exploits it's not safe to let a stranger on your network
chatquack: Net sec should look to H&K... Keine Kompromisse!
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chatquack: ok, ya, go ahead and ruin my dreams.
cads: you just have to talk faster than your prospect's worries :)
cads: yep, become a rogue ISP
chatquack: there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP
chatquack: Most people want free movies, not kiddie crap.
chatquack: the whole "your responsiblility" issue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018199 = 0.364 BTC [-]
chatquack: oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?
chatquack: No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.
chatquack: There must be a protection method.
chatquack: Fuck it. I'm just going to drive a van around with a bunch of decrete antennas
chatquack: The whole town's like, "why doesn't my remot outdoor thermometer work anymore?"
chatquack kick chatquack Too much talky talky
mike_c: awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
chatquack: oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.
chatquack: awwww BingoBoingo, that normally takes hours to get to that point.
cazalla: i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore
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chatquack: ~The street runs by your house to the south.~
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chatquack: everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
chatquack: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
gribble: You are now authenticated for user chatquack with key 56EF11E53FE449F5
chatquack: of fuck, no BingoBoingo taught me well, I'm just drunk and forgetfull
chatquack: I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.04240563 = 2.6291 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095945 = 4.0777 BTC [+]
cads: Lol, don't get down on yourself. In here. We'll ridicule you :)
cads: I love opening random IRC links. Ever since I was a kid.
cads: If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.
ozbot: Tiger Woods by Dan Bern - YouTube
cads: yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet
chatquack: ./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods
chatquack: No missing link is another really good one
chatquack: REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.
chatquack: I love that he quotes Jesus as saying phrases like, "fuck it".
cads: that is an artist that enjoys what he does, so I can't fault him/her
chatquack: Ohmyfuck, my speakers are loud. YeS! ADORABLE!