assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03364997 = 0.1346 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "if being rich doesn’t buy you freedom of speech, you’re rich in the wrong place and at the wrong time." << not bad.
JorgePasada: That's another way of saying the same thing, or maybe it's the next step down the chain
JorgePasada: either way the point remains that all the further down the chain you can quantify is the pattern
JorgePasada: the intent is at best a guessing game
JorgePasada: and at worst, justification for some terrible shit
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/
ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: lol this thing is pretty lulzy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03377993 = 0.1689 BTC [+] {5}
JorgePasada: So, then I guess a follow up. Would you say intent has any relevance at all in economics?
mircea_popescu: nope.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03398747 = 0.2719 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: "BP: discrimination is to say that something is apart from other things. The words and actions against him are isolating, hence discriminatory
mircea_popescu: GS: words against him are isolating? what about the words he said?"
mircea_popescu: circular fucking reasoning at its best. talking to your average schmuck on any topic reduces to doing marriage counselling with idiots, for free.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0346427 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03521428 = 0.2465 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: Well, becoming married to their ideas is part of what makes them idiots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03268749 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03349998 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03431249 = 0.2745 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
JorgePasada: I'd agree with the statement intentions are worthless in general, and always when applied to the aggregate.
JorgePasada: However in specific, exploring possible intent behind actions and actors on an individual or agent level can be useful.
JorgePasada: The thing people forget is you're always analyzing intent through, at minimum, two very subjective biased filters. 1) Your perspective 2) Their Actions.
BingoBoingo: jordandotdev: You are talking about management nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03569999 = 0.1428 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Sorry JorgePasada...
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada useful, if you want ot marry them. not economically .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03596249 = 0.2877 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03674998 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [+] {3}
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Isn't that kind of divorcing the act from the actor?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: the notion that intent is economically relevant is in no way different from proposing it be medically relevant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03466666 = 0.208 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: medicine, the actual kind, was born once people finally realised intent don't enter into it,
mircea_popescu: its niot like the patient "hath brought pox upon himself, for his sins" or anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03522857 = 0.2466 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: that's the entire point there, to push economy from its current state of shamanism and alchemy to actual science.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0009703 = 6.2584 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: gn o/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49791072 BTC [+]
JorgePasada: Yep, and I agree with all of it, especially when applied to the market or any kind of aggregate group. I just think I might have some differing opinions when it comes to the individual level. Trying to think them out and find a better way to articulate what exactly it is I'm thinking.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcron-statement/
ozbot: April 2014 BTC/RON Statement | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/april-2014-btcatc-statement/
ozbot: April 2014 BTC/ATC Statement | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: mike_c: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0382 = 0.191 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
JorgePasada: We're in agreement almost completely. Figuring out the almost is interesting though, and productive. Being wrong is the only way to learn, and if I'm wrong I'd like to know sooner rather than later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
JorgePasada: That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878484 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2ZBQ5HS/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 1
JorgePasada: Then again, I'm probably a crazy person :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03899993 = 0.234 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: !up Franktank_
assbot: Voicing Franktank_ for 30 minutes.
Franktank_: What?
kakobrekla: What what?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, thanks. i will digest.
BingoBoingo: Franktank_: U can talk nao
Franktank_: Ok, was I not able to before?
BingoBoingo: No
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada well there's no economics at the individual level
BingoBoingo: And when the time tuns out you probably won't be able to again until someone gives you voice again
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see you broke it.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: What about how an individual chooses to allocate their time?t
mircea_popescu: then you're discussing time.
kakobrekla: yes i know :\
kakobrekla: all i got was a neat chan and a bunch of angry people.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: I see, I think I'm blurring the lines and blending two separate discussions together. I'll re-read that post later, think about it and get back to you when i've got a more concise version of what it is I'm trying to say.
JorgePasada: in the meantime, work needs doing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: idem, these f.mpif books ain't gonna cook themselves...
BingoBoingo: !up ComplaintsDept
assbot: Voicing ComplaintsDept for 30 minutes.
csshih: :D
csshih: omg mircea_popescu I sold you 25 btc in 2011
mircea_popescu: csshih ayup
csshih cries
mircea_popescu: a sucker is you.
csshih: hahaha :D did you hold?
mircea_popescu: ayup.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {3}
csshih: why is it that everyone I've sold btc/hardware to has done all the right things and is now wealthy
csshih frowns
mircea_popescu: hehe.
Franktank_: Mircea, have they revoked the ban?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03250567 = 0.3251 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what ban is that ?
Franktank_: from BTCTalk
mircea_popescu: uh
kakobrekla: so wait before we get this straight
kakobrekla: do you believe that mircea is a chick or a prick wearing lady avatar or ??
Franktank_: Actually I have no idea, I do miss the input of MPOE-PR on the Securities subform.
BingoBoingo: Franktank_: Pictures of mircea_popescu and MPOE-PR here http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/
Franktank_: Ah, thanks for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Why Disqus? For SRS?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48100333 = 1.443 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097333 = 10.95 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up sunshyne
assbot: Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: some new faces today eh
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg5356505;boardseen#new
ozbot: Cointerra Bankrupted --- People Asking for refunds..
kakobrekla: but but their logo, its so professional.
BingoBoingo: Logo is important
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/
ozbot: F.MPIF, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00096995 = 19.5445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03286 = 0.1643 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still getting the 'are you the gurl' questions. wonder what kind of animal i'll be, in the imagination of audience.
mircea_popescu: was that what that was ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o look... a palinwordrome.
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thought that makes me wonder, perhaps i'm already in the wood chipper, it just isn't switched on yet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, are you at present laying in a metal hopper with blades at you feet and/or head?
asciilifeform: not afaik.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
asciilifeform: but we should all be prepared for the kind of treatment mp gets, at the very least.
BingoBoingo: Sure.
mircea_popescu: $depth F.MPIF
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: []
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000000 @ 0.000215']
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4000 @ 0.000215 = 0.86 BTC
mircea_popescu: aaaand so it begins
mircea_popescu: jurov ^
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 75000 @ 0.000215 = 16.125 BTC
asciilifeform: i confess that i had 'bourbaki' thoughts even when climbing off the plane.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt Cardano would get that kind of attention. Loper box might though.
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 11320 @ 0.000215 = 2.4338 BTC
asciilifeform: can't say i relish the idea of attention
asciilifeform: can't eat it, run engine on it
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 23255 @ 0.000215 = 4.9998 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07355691 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Yeah
akstunt600: GPA is buggy as all hell on ubuntu
akstunt600: need to gen a new key for this coin
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: What do you mean?
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1337 @ 0.000215 = 0.2875 BTC
akstunt600: the gpa gtk app
akstunt600: for pgp encryption
kakobrekla: its not just ubuntu
akstunt600: Hmm it used to work fine for me in windows way back when, but that was last year
akstunt600: idk anymore, havnt used windows since
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.85901151 / 211.29665950
gribble: 0.00879811121671
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 365000 @ 0.000215 = 78.475 BTC
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: GPA kind always sucked.
BingoBoingo: It is neigh impossible to do good GPG key generation off of the commandline
mircea_popescu: eh ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: All of the GUI tools I tried for Key generation suck by restricting options.
BingoBoingo: The key must be made on the commandline.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh. thing read to me as impossible to use cli to do it.
akstunt600: heh
BingoBoingo: I prolly should have paused to word more carefully, but really the CLI is the only way I've found to adequately keygen with the right options
akstunt600: Well luckily i have used and installed PGP server for an enterprise and used gpg numerous times
akstunt600: So at least i know the orkflow
akstunt600: oh well its just nice to have gui to go off of
akstunt600: I have been in terminal all damn day
ThickAsThieves: grats on the MPIF kickoff
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now on that we agree.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah looking surprisingly good.
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Well, the thing is it isn't a deep commandline exercise at all. It's just one where the GUI's hide the good options.
akstunt600: yeah like even to decrypt pub key encrypted messages it was awkward, like that main window should have been the spot to drag and drop msgs to encrypt/decrypt
akstunt600: and then the keys in the menu slector
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03547084 = 0.2838 BTC [-] {8}
akstunt600: I should fix GPA maybe
BingoBoingo: Abandon GPA.
akstunt600: after i get this kicked off
akstunt600: Why others need it
akstunt600: and its cross platform
BingoBoingo: No they don't.
akstunt600: ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547062 = 0.1419 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: There are better cross platform tools than GPA if you need GPG.
BingoBoingo: And a gui
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03547002 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {7}
akstunt600: maybe seahorse + gpg
akstunt600: oh well ill just use CLI
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Geany, the Text Editor/IDE is great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547003 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}
akstunt600: hmmm thats interesting
akstunt600: havnt ever used it
BingoBoingo: ;;google geany gpg
gribble: Geanypg - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/geanypg.html>; Geany : Verify GPG Signature: <http://www.geany.org/Support/VerifyGPGSignature>; Downloads - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/downloads.html>
BingoBoingo: ;;google geany gpg thedrinkingrecord
gribble: Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; October | 2013 | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/>
akstunt600: yeah installing from repo now
akstunt600: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03547797 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {5}
akstunt600: haave been using melt or diff depending on how mig the src trees are, any other recommendations
akstunt600: meld*
BingoBoingo: That I dunno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03649999 = 0.2555 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03939869 = 0.394 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315002 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03924948 = 0.314 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03325 = 0.1663 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03937424 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo even geany gave me pains
kakobrekla: :(
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000215 = 3.225 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0339636 = 0.3736 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It sucks at encryption without some coaxing. It signs and decrypts fine though. Great for offline machines.
kakobrekla: myea
kakobrekla: got a manul to the coaxing perhaps?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Not that I can get to reproduce this stuff reliably. ATM I can't encrypt with Geany. I swear I used to be able to.
kakobrekla: :D
kakobrekla: nuff said
BingoBoingo: Decrypting and signing are fine though.
BingoBoingo: At least GPG encryption is perfectly safe to do online.
mircea_popescu: well... imperfectly safe
mike_c: hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes.
mircea_popescu: the site may read oyur plaintext.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is that bad ?
mike_c: that is awesome
mike_c: i was trolling tat before for his footnotes > paragraphs post
ThickAsThieves: mike_c is a footnote warrior
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: By online I mean plugged into the internet. Not typed into a webapp.
BingoBoingo: But... Yeah...
BingoBoingo: I guess I can see concern even with that nao
BingoBoingo: That I typed it.
mircea_popescu: :p
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/14W3FR1/plain/)
BingoBoingo: !b 5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03154294 = 0.1262 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: paging kakobrekla: need moar json :) http://bitbet.us/stats/18bCNXjdT2NUjcip6KdbFR5EEFAu3oTgTq/?json
kakobrekla: alright
BingoBoingo: I really can't wait for S.NSA to buy its own foundry in a decade.
BingoBoingo: Give or take another decade
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: me2
BingoBoingo: Doesn't have to be cutting edge at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03866663 = 0.116 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00097082 = 16.6981 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 453.84, Best ask: 456.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 453.85, 24 hour volume: 10630.36591056, 24 hour low: 433.08, 24 hour high: 456.0, 24 hour vwap: 445.231896052
mike_c: kakobrekla, mpex trade socket isn't reporting f.mpif. is that temporary or intended?
kakobrekla looks
kakobrekla: i dunno i must investigate
mike_c: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00097333 = 10.4331 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4281 @ 0.00097388 = 4.1692 BTC [+]
mike_c: i guess the market has decided on a price!
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: i like the style of mpif, not too big for its britches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
ThickAsThieves: just the 200 or so btc and that's that
ThickAsThieves: low volume PCs
BingoBoingo: I wonder if I should post past ATC trading statements stripped of commentary.
ThickAsThieves: i like the commentary fwiw
mircea_popescu: well how big you gonna make it you know ? 200btc is a respectable sum anyway.
mircea_popescu: let it grow over time.
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: til the report i was wondering if you were gonna through more btc at the managers to play with
mike_c: some profit centers could handle more than others (panacea, JD)
mircea_popescu: tbh i think for now everyone's got enough
mircea_popescu: i'd love more pcs rather than more in these pcs atm
BingoBoingo: Yeah, if anything the limiting factor is that only 5 pcs made sense
asciilifeform: gpg had gui!?!?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is bundled with a poor attempt at one named GPA
asciilifeform: S.NSA to buy its own foundry << just came back from taking exact dimensions of new flat. not quite big enough for foundry. gonna have to be when i che guevara with mp in jungle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Плюс гаванскую сигарету, / И вот ты уже - Фидель, / Ты - Че Гевара, / Автомат взамен гитары...' (http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=27610 - 'the magic of whiskey')
mircea_popescu: hehe
kakobrekla: so now that everyone bought into mpif, i bring to you, by popular demand (mostly mike_c really) a losing month for panacea: -1.78%
mircea_popescu: ew
BingoBoingo: So... I bring historical ATC trading results sans commentary
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/so-history-the-first-atcbtc-statement-remember-historical/
ozbot: So… History, the First ATC/BTC statement (Remember Historical) | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: '14 +0.12% +0.01% +0.26% -1.78%
mircea_popescu: you broke it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.06474168 = 1.6185 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lets see may.
BingoBoingo: With this and the ending balances of the Mid April statement, the ATC/BTC thing should be quantable, but hopefully not too quantable.
asciilifeform: what's too quantable?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1609 @ 0.00012729 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I'm wary of letting people know where I think natural Bid and Ask borders for ATC lie and what price I consider the border between sellable and buyable.
BingoBoingo: These things may become more fluid, but...
kakobrekla: anyway, if anyone is looking for comment, april was a bit hectic, 9 trades actually happed, details are here http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/
asciilifeform: 'In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.' (zapp brannigan, 'futurama')
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/page-22 << check out the expert herps.
ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin | Page 22 | Bitcointa.lk
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They can see your pieces, even their locations, but... hiding intended next locations is a must normally
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla -56.0 ouch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0317072 = 0.1585 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: good evening d00d
benkay: d00ds
kakobrekla: yea thats about maxint hit.
mircea_popescu: benkay please bear in mind that not everyone on the interwebs is a d00d.
asciilifeform wants cupric oxide foundry.
asciilifeform: http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/radioroom/cu-diode/rr-cu-diode.htm
benkay: good evening, diodes
asciilifeform: ^ cupric oxide for noobs
benkay: y'all
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: benkay: In that case can't you offer "Sup' Bitches"
asciilifeform: cuprous oxide, to be exact
benkay: ah, excusemebitch did you just say i can't offer things?
benkay: because lissenherebitch i'm pretty sure i can offer a good dickin
benkay: ThickAsThieves: my first big boy gf was a virgin too and blamed me for turning her into a nymphomaniac
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
benkay: bitch is now whelping for someone else
mircea_popescu: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-2
mircea_popescu: this shit's lulzy. like esl angry miner forum
mircea_popescu: "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03116666 = 0.187 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/page-3#entry49818
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Two researchers had made a diode with a very thin, heavily doped n-layer. When the diode was reverse-biased to the point of avalanche breakdown, a small fraction of the avalache electrons actually shot through the n-region and into a vacuum. They made this the e-beam source in a CRT and it worked pretty well. I am surprised that it has not, to my knowledge, made it out of the laboratory.'
asciilifeform: ('unusual diode FAQ.' http://margo.student.utwente.nl/el/componen/diodefaq.html)
BingoBoingo: "Finally, you'll need a source of high heat like an electric hot plate or a propane torch."
BingoBoingo: There have to be better sources of heat.
benkay: ThickAsThieves: he's mine.
benkay: his heart may be blackened with sin, but he's mine ;)
benkay: fluffypony: entrefartner
benkay: fluffypony: my fartner in this entreprederpship exercise
mike_c: panacea is back in the game! JD's worst month was -24%.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Did you see that I posted the ATC trading's first statement stripped of comments?
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
assbot: Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
Diablo-D3: yo
BingoBoingo: Yo
benkay: hey Diablo-D3 tell me something about grains
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i see it now, yeah
benkay: Diablo-D3: or maybe brussels sprouts. are brussels sprouts bad for me?
Diablo-D3: benkay: grains are a scam perpetrated by the space aliens that run the FDA
Diablo-D3: srsly
benkay: !b2
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benkay: !b 3
BingoBoingo: benkay: Wheat is the best thing in history, next to corn
Diablo-D3: brussels sprouts are fine though
benkay: fuck you kakobrekla
benkay: BingoBoingo: you lie
benkay: BingoBoingo: corn likker
BingoBoingo: Corn has the high protein content necessary for whiskey distillery
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmgwmfkCYAANDXZ.png
kakobrekla: benkay ?
kakobrekla: which part excites you
benkay: BingoBoingo: do please explain how protein is essential in distillation process
benkay: kakobrekla: the infernal space between !b and how many
BingoBoingo: benkay: It gets you all of the nice fusile alcohols, for a better hangover
benkay: fusile alcohols?
benkay: holy crap
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the bloomberg terminal? and it's tracking kraken?? nice.
BingoBoingo: benkay: You know things that are organic an -OH without being ETOH
mircea_popescu: i thought it's hysterically lulzy.
benkay: BingoBoingo: more lectures on topic of organic chemistry plz
mircea_popescu: i mean... let's be massively clueless, after resisting for years
benkay: mike_c: it's trakking kraken and coinbase
kakobrekla: ah that thing benkay , well you know, you can still use the long version !bash $n ;)
benkay: i loled hard hard hard
benkay: !bash $echo butts
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo must love sake.
BingoBoingo: benkay: So today's lesson. Codeine's active ingredient is actually morphine if you have a liver.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but warm.
benkay: no wait i'm still dumb about the fusile alcohols
BingoBoingo: benkay: So you know how there are alcohols that aren't proper ETOH?
benkay: no i did not because mechanical engineering in the us apparently doesn't care about ochem
BingoBoingo: benkay: I was a philosophy major.
mike_c: holy shit BingoBoingo, you tore it up in Feb.
asciilifeform: i actually went back to uni for ochem as an adult.
asciilifeform: believe or not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1020 @ 0.00012382 = 0.1263 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: And in March-April
mike_c: no wonder you got hired as manager
benkay: asciilifeform: i would too, were the school of hard knocks so much more to my taste.
benkay: *not so much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07189019 = 0.1438 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I've only had one Ochem course... In Highschool.
benkay: <JorgePasada> mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is" << DO YOU HEAR THIS the20year ?
BingoBoingo: Got highered as a Pharmacy school TA because I knew how to proctor tests.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03181816 = 0.35 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: oh yah.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Honestly programming confounds me more than arranging carbon
benkay: anything, the20year ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c bingo did great but nao kako stole all his cookies
asciilifeform: i highly recommend against (american) uni for undergrad ochem. there, it is used as a 'weedout' test for pre-med kids
benkay: ^^
benkay: good luck learning anything but how to memorize the pretty pictures.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: weeded me out properly
asciilifeform: ends up being taught as a compendium of cookbook crap
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never took American uni Ochem. Now... without any uni Ochem I sat on most of the PharmD curriculum. Secret is... TA while doing gradschool in an unrelated field
bitcoinpete: never did get the grignard reaction to fly
asciilifeform: (cookbook being entirely wrong term here - they studiously avoid teaching how to prepare anything useful in actuality)
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada <JorgePasada> That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with? << why the fuck do you think i dragged your ass in here?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: i invited the yubikey kids here for your amusement https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/461633158836789248
BingoBoingo: Still never learned how to make alcohol out of coal and water, though it includes the proper ingredients.
benkay: wrong direction on the entropy ladder
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: you just learned to trade like a dog
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Define Just
benkay: BingoBoingo: YOU TRADE LIKE A DOG
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: it's a term of endearment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00097388 = 11.1996 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Yes, Like a Magestic Corgi that jumps mountains and has a bunch of Colocos as friends.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Still, just might require a definition.
BingoBoingo: "just"
benkay: <mike_c> hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes. << mike_c: hanbot also actually, you know, writes.
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: cup=half full
mike_c: benkay: yeah, other people (bitcoinpete) should take note.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: used to write sans footnote, kinda prefer this way
mike_c: easier to write perhaps, but not to read :)
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe there are two cups and the average of the two is "half full" yet the cups can grow to greater volumes.
benkay: oh wait hang on are you all not bitches?
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: not sure why they should talk to me. instead, they should talk to the poor schmucks who buy the closed turd. and apologize to them.
benkay: two cups one average
BingoBoingo: benkay: We are all someone's bitches
kakobrekla: mp sets the fashion, if i had a blog it would only be footnote but no note.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: think of it as a worthwhile skill to be acquired
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: lol
benkay: mike_c's talking shit and posting 1/(2 mos)
mike_c: what? i pump out at least one a month
benkay: and don't talk to me about quality nigga i don't buy that shit for half a second
mike_c: i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes
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kakobrekla: !b 1
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You must use footnotes the worng way then
asciilifeform: 'the attack requires sophisticated tools to extract the encryption keys, making it practically impossible for most people.'
mike_c: plus my posts have pretty graphs and shit
benkay: yeah
benkay: quality or something
benkay: I AIN'T HAVIN IT
benkay: aight fags dinner party commenceth
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes <<< ahahah
benkay: prep for which is all done without my lifting a damn finger
mircea_popescu: what are these footnotes, like car pedals ?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ? // wish granted
benkay: so adieu sweet bitlords
mike_c: enjoy
mircea_popescu: enjoe
mircea_popescu: stop discriminating. not all pleasures in life are female.
asciilifeform: like car pedals << one can buy pedals which emulate keystrokes. i've a set.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there must be a dirty joke re emulation and strokes in there somewhere
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off to mourn kako's rape and pillage of mpif. nn!
asciilifeform: 'different stokes for different folks.' (me, explaining stoke's theorem to a noob)
asciilifeform: *stokes
mike_c: ;;calc 50 * 0.017
gribble: 0.85
benkay: ;;later tell princessnell basic btc bitches i loled
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00097501 = 4.3388 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Confession: I actually have more footnotes ready to push out than blog posts to tie them to.
mike_c: heheh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
BingoBoingo: Also might have a fairly big ish not MPIF related announcement tomorrow.
mike_c: hints?
BingoBoingo: Related to pending criminal (not bitcoin related charges)
ThickAsThieves: You are selling your virginity?
mike_c: ah. hope its good news..
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Nope, just have a court date pending or actualized, results released tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Evidence points towards good news.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: So, honestly can you tell any pricepoints in particular I had orders standing at any size?
bitcoinpete: https://telegram.org <<encrypted messaging app. "safe from hacker attacks"
BingoBoingo: Also, any Firefox devs in this chan?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i intend to analyze in the morning. i'm about to pass out. i will let you know if i pull out anything revealing.
BingoBoingo: (secret SMS is email)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thanks
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I saw you in the orderbook at times ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 78 @ 0.06474168 = 5.0499 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well the logs will reveal some named times.
BingoBoingo: Like the explicit past buy wall at 100 satoshis per
ThickAsThieves: i dont think ive ever sold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03111 = 0.1556 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03400006 = 0.17 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well where might you have spotted me that isn't publicaly present?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00453662 = 0.3176 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
ThickAsThieves: i interpreted it as you forcing things
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
ThickAsThieves: yes, it confirmed my suspicion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10092 @ 0.00097232 = 9.8127 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00454652 = 0.9048 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0311 = 0.4976 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.03396341 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: hmm i'm wondering if even answering is taking the conversation somewhere it shouldnt go
ThickAsThieves: rephrased, i see why you are opting for no commentary in your report
ThickAsThieves: and think maybe you should carry that to not discussing as much in here
ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bit4x-com.91723/#post-6180036
ozbot: Bit4x.com? | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00454466 = 0.9089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00097554 = 10.4305 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: As far as public forums go, the interpretation is that this is as public as it gets. You can ask clarification about statements and how that interacts with other public sources of information. Like past orderbooks.
BingoBoingo: Some questions like what price would I have to buy back ATC for it to be a loss for the month, though I could only anser with links to interesting novelty dildos to fuck yourself with.
kakobrekla: yes that was me bb.
BingoBoingo: I the middle ground it gets iffy.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Beautiful. SOme of your best work.
ThickAsThieves: well if it were me, i wouldnt discuss trading behaviors in here
BingoBoingo: Well, past behavior is not future behavior.
ThickAsThieves: nor ask for info of others of there trades relating to yours
kakobrekla: he replied me: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#649268 ☝︎
ThickAsThieves: their*
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Public is public, private is private. The two only meet when the later turns into the former through monthly statements or when someone solves for some activity like you did with the ask wall.
BingoBoingo: !up jMyles
assbot: Voicing jMyles for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup
assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr
assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: lonely BB?
Duffer1: :P
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Maybe?
Duffer1: i just finished a remarkable hard sci-fi book
BingoBoingo: Damn
Duffer1: Diaspora by Greg Egan
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mike_c socket should nao be fixed, fund was being filtered out cause kako does weird shit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Duffer1: it's not usually my genre, but i was impressed, as good as kim stanley robinsons red mars
benkay: ksr's red mars was unbearably wordy
Duffer1: indeed, it's why i'm not usually a fan of hard sf
Duffer1: and diaspora does have a bit of the ksr run ons
Duffer1: if you can get through it though, the story of both books is worth it imo
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this one'd make better commissioned work: http://juliatourianski.com/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Am I aloof enough to fund manage>
BingoBoingo: Or benkay Am I real enough.
BingoBoingo: Worse yet do I amazing company?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00563217 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
bitcoinpete: http://www.allenpike.com/2014/burying-the-url/
ozbot: Burying the URL - Allen Pike
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00097232 = 23.1412 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: Duffer1: see if you can get a hold of Egan's short works collections, 'Luminous' and 'Axiomatic.'
Duffer1: they're on my list to read
Duffer1: diaspora was the first of his work i've encountered and i instantly became a big fan
Duffer1: thanks for the recommendation btw, he's got a lot of award winning shorts, i'll prioritize those in my list
asciilifeform: Duffer1: http://bookfi.org/dl/223021/c36c75
Duffer1: oh snap thanks
BingoBoingo: Lest based off of trading statements anyone thing I am a genii, I've lost 96%+ lifetime publishing text tomes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 495 @ 0.00089499 = 0.443 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 155 @ 0.0009 = 0.1395 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: mewning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
BingoBoingo: Hey moiety
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3308 @ 0.00097232 = 3.2164 BTC [-]
fluffypony: manul-moiety
moiety: :D
moiety: how are yous?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Ain't you sleeping?
asciilifeform: colocolul.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: 7:30am here
fluffypony: moiety: most excellent thanks
fluffypony: and you?
moiety: o i forgot you are just an hour ahead of me fluffypony // i'm good thanks, haven't slept yet though
kakobrekla: ah lol, some dudes on some lost forum discussing my previously linked reply
kakobrekla: >Yes, we have to find a broker, BTC-e don't send emails - not even send rude emails - which is worrying.
moiety: seriously, mircea has deleted oh out of my vocabulary
kakobrekla: "at least kako sends us to fuck off!"
fluffypony: lol!
moiety: lolol kakobrekla responsive rep :]
moiety: asciilifeform: i have a new manul and ive forgotten the translation already http://www.kotomet.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/manul0_preview.jpg
asciilifeform: moiety: 'love kitties? i ask, kitties, bitch, do you love?!'
moiety: asciilifeform: thanks :D // so is cyka = bitch?
bitcoinpete: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/14/sick_of_trading_pigs_oil_and_wheat_how_about_cloud/ <<cloud commodities!
asciilifeform: moiety: aye
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: You always offer best customer service
kakobrekla: few seem to agree on this one.
moiety: and labels. regugal is now a new favourite word of mine
kakobrekla: hehe
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: SOme people merely don't know what being a customer means
kakobrekla: i think so too!
BingoBoingo: Customer means try to eat the best findable shit, because you can't grow beef.
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kakobrekla: !b 1
kakobrekla: ty
BingoBoingo: Sometimes you find a bull that can't get off, and actually have to eat shit, because you can't give a handjob worth jizz.
fluffypony: ;;later tell bitcoinpete that "Burying the URL" article was interesting, Safari on OS X has been stripping GET vars from view for ages (they become visible when you're editing the URL)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls
moiety: i don't take arguments anymore, i just get rid of people that think they "have a case" where they do not
BingoBoingo: Oh, Bar Rescue has to be the best show for baptising people to Bitcoin.
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: though it's not a bad thing if it prevent simple phishing attacks by calling out the actual domain in use
moiety: speaking of bar...have you heard about those bin laden themed bars in brazil?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah
moiety: i just heard it today, o.O
bitcoinpete: moiety: i was there a year ago and missed them! packing bags now
fluffypony: Braziiiiiiil, la la la la la la la laaaaaa
bitcoinpete: i'd go back to rio in a heartbeat. it's europe for the new world
moiety: football hooligans trailing the world cup + osama bin laden lookalike that sells alcohol, what can possibly go wrong
BingoBoingo: So... World Cup predictions? World Series Predictions?
moiety: scotland will not be winning
BingoBoingo: Is scotland its own thing for this sport?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00097174 = 1.0689 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: world cup: portugal
bitcoinpete: world series: dodgers
fluffypony: portugal, really?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: why not? home turf
BingoBoingo: STFU: Cardinal for world series. African (somewhere there) for world cup.
fluffypony: Brazil or Argentina
fluffypony: my money's on Brazil
fluffypony: MAYBE Germany
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the only African team that's been doing well-ish recently is the Ivory Coast team, I think they'll make it to the quarters before being knocked out
BingoBoingo: Budeslinga is a strong league, but a lot of rental players.
fluffypony: South Africa will make it nowhere because the Bafana Bafana cave under pressure
moiety: BingoBoingo: yeah scotland are just that bad, they never get anywhere
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well I have toi suppose a really dark team to balance my world series pick.
fluffypony: despite having burnt through new coaches every 2 years
fluffypony: at some ridiculous cost
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: My world series team hasn't brnt through coaches, and who knows... Maybe Matheney will quit
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I hear he's homeless and sleeping on couches these days
fluffypony: :-P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He actually is. You must be a StL local.
moiety: i've been being trained to follow the reds
BingoBoingo: Just dreaming of Rhodesia
moiety: a couch is better than outside!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Boo. May Brandon Phillips just have a heart attack on the field.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: just before I met my wife I dated a girl in St. Louis for 6 months, she was here on holiday and we fell for each other, so after 5 months of long distance I went over there for a month to see if there was something there
fluffypony: needless to say there wasn't
moiety: o but i heard he's really good
fluffypony: but I learnt a LOT about StL culture and basebal
fluffypony: *baseball
fluffypony: way more than I ever would've
BingoBoingo: moiety: Brandon phillips wasn't even last year's best second baseman.
moiety: bring back rounders i say
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Cause they could smell you are a spy.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: totally
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That's why you got no Crown Candy.
moiety: yous just took rounders, threw a bunch of hats and padding on the players and called it baseball
bitcoinpete: g'night sportsalosophers :)
moiety: nanight bitcoinpete sleep well!
fluffypony: ;;google crown candy
gribble: Crown Candy Kitchen | Malts & Shakes | Soda Fountain and Candy ...: <http://crowncandykitchen.net/>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Old North Saint Louis - Saint Louis, MO | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/crown-candy-kitchen-saint-louis>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Candy_Kitchen>
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.000215 = 0.215 BTC
BingoBoingo: Eh
fluffypony: yeah definitely didn't go there
BingoBoingo: Not like ROunders was viable on its own
fluffypony: they dragged me to places like Outback Steakhouse and Cracker Barrel
fluffypony: and Cheesecake Factory (which surprisingly, to me at least, looked nothing like the one in Big Bang Theory)
moiety: why not BB? rugby does just fine without the helmets and cushions that your football has :P
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Those are chain places. Crown Candy is how the Polaks keeps the Nigs sated.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because Handegg isn't a sport. It is a way to keep classes of people damaged.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo"
BingoBoingo: Yeah, crown Candy is the best.
BingoBoingo: I'll admit Imos is barely better than native Chicago pizza.
BingoBoingo: Then again fluffypony maybe your guides sucked
moiety: meh poor dead rounders
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10612 @ 0.00097028 = 10.2966 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I mean did they show you the sad zoo lions?
fluffypony: no?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Oh, the StL zoo big cats are the saddest things.
moiety: all zoo creatures are sad
moiety: what happened with the ukraine zoo that ran out of food and meds btw
fluffypony: well I suppose they didn't think to take me there since, you know, coming from Africa and all that
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe they knew things were wrong. Probably also why they didn't take you to North City,
BingoBoingo: moiety: The penguins are happy.
moiety: only their feet. they are dying inside
BingoBoingo: Nah, penguins love malnourished lion as food
BingoBoingo: So ThickAsThieves how did you feel when you found out parts were less than 6% of Google glass costs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00097174 = 3.9764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10098 @ 0.00097473 = 9.8428 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.00563069 = 0.1802 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: i was just reading that about glass
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03248515 = 0.1624 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096969 = 4.2666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00096969 = 8.7272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00097108 = 16.7997 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00563069 = 1.1937 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: I'm still auth'd, amazing ISP!
fluffypony: lol
punkman: had to climb the long way into my house, good thing I had left a window open
fluffypony: punkman: why not use the door?
punkman: fluffypony, because someone smart left the keys on the door (on the inside)
fluffypony: lol
punkman: I had to shoo pigeons, and a cat
punkman: cat decided to follow me though
punkman: http://pastebin.com/DXTu8Mcm
ozbot: Google AdSense Leak - Part 2 - Pastebin.com
punkman: http://pastebin.com/qh6Tta3h
ozbot: Google AdSense Leak - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03246832 = 0.7143 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49952498 = 0.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49971249 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: punkman: interesting read
fluffypony: do you think it's legit or some crazy dude scaremongering?
fluffypony: moiety: http://i.imgur.com/EBUm6u0.jpg
punkman: second part sounds like a redditard, but who knows
punkman: I know a lot of people that have been banned from adsense/adwords for no reason
fluffypony: yeah I had one of my accounts banned a few years ago
fluffypony: conveniently it was when I decided that the whole "Internet marketing" thing was bullshit and it'd be better to sell products and ebooks and "systems" to the IM guys than do it myself
punkman: I stopped using them before they went wild with it, around 2009 maybe
fluffypony: lol: http://i.imgur.com/HID68KI.jpg /r/bitcoin in 10 years time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00096969 = 18.1817 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: nice one
punkman: fluffypony: https://github.com/coolwanglu/pdf2htmlEX
fluffypony: punkman: I've been trying to get that working for 2 days
fluffypony: on OS X
fluffypony: he has his own fontforge fork
fluffypony: which has a bunch of weird requirements
punkman: did you figure out if you can get HTML out of that? seems full of javascript
fluffypony: I'll let you know once I get it working :-P
punkman: Scribd only let me get plaintext btw
fluffypony: configure: error: libuuid development files required
fluffypony: that's my current issue
fluffypony: and libuuid is baked into OS X
punkman: but it accepts all kinds of formats, not just pdf, so I guess it will come in handy sometime
fluffypony: so there's no pkg-config .pc for it
fluffypony: I may just go straight to deving on the server
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
punkman: Google probably does the best conversion
punkman: wonder if I can get it on demand through Google Docs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4788 @ 0.00096969 = 4.6429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22912 @ 0.00096817 = 22.1827 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7552 @ 0.00097136 = 7.3357 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00562775 = 0.1576 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: can't buy mpif on coinbr? …
fluffypony: pankkake: you can't buy it on mpex either yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.03150111 = 0.567 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay notrly my style.
fluffypony: http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-predicts-3-week-theatrical-window-in-future-1201166052/
ozbot: Jeffrey Katzenberg Predicts 3-Week Theatrical Window in Future | Variety
fluffypony: this is interesting
fluffypony: "I think the model will change and you won’t pay for the window of availability. A movie will come out and you will have 17 days, that’s exactly three weekends, which is 95% of the revenue for 98% of movies. On the 18th day, these movies will be available everywhere ubiquitously and you will pay for the size. A movie screen will be $15. A 75” TV will be $4.00. A smartphone will be $1.99."
mircea_popescu: this is by no means either a prediction or novel.
fluffypony: novel to me - I hadn't thought about content delivery in terms of screen size before
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461817978066329600
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: That's choosing what to fuck. ...
mircea_popescu: im so adept at making friends.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's older than dirt tho.
fluffypony: meh, I've never bought into the "do what you love" bullshit
mircea_popescu: ;;ud smh
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smh | smh. Acronym for 'shake my head' or 'shaking my head.' Usually used when someone finds something so stupid, no words can do it justice. Sometimes it's ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: smh
mircea_popescu: that'd be because you're not a hipster.
fluffypony: my very first failed company was an events production house I started with a good friend when I was like 20
fluffypony: the two lessons I learnt from that were:
fluffypony: 1. if you go into business with someone who is a good friend there's a high probability of fucking up the friendship, regardless of the outcome of the business venture
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmh5o9pIIAA5kaB.jpg
fluffypony: 2. just because you like doing something doesn't mean you can get paid for it or even find clients
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. hahaha-hahahaha.
mircea_popescu: the bestest country in the world, can't get a fucking cab at the airport ?
mircea_popescu: srsly africa, the black people called. they want it back, it's theirs!
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
fluffypony: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/English_length_units_graph.png
mircea_popescu: "In less than three months the Department of the Treasury will start trimming payments on portions of the $17.3 trillion-plus national debt, with unpredictable – and unstudied – consequences. Acting in violation of legal commitments to purchasers, the Department will chop 30% from interest payments due some foreign holders of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars’ worth of Treasury securities. Pos
mircea_popescu: sible results of this consciously inflicted partial federal default could include mass dumping of bonds by jittery holders, a rise in the rate the government pays for debt service, and undermining the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency."
fluffypony: from now on I'm going to provide measurements "to the nearest poppyseed, may be off by a few twips"
mircea_popescu: im curious how many in the "press" will be calling this a default, and how many will be derping about how it's really just antiracism and ecology.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07230561 = 0.94 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: because well... anyone who fails to call it a default also fails to have a future, in his chosen profession.
numerisTrade: hello
mircea_popescu: hi.
numerisTrade: hello, mircea_popescu
numerisTrade: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!~numeris@unaffiliated/numeris', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: you're the wywial fellow aren't you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07123325 = 0.2849 BTC [-] {4}
numerisTrade: partially yes
mircea_popescu: lol how does that work ?!
numerisTrade: it's a joint venture with my fellow
fluffypony: dissociative identity disorder?
numerisTrade: currently, I'm wywialm, but this nick is also managed by him
punkman: that's not how this works
mircea_popescu: well tell him that this nick can speak here on the strength of it being used by you, so he shouldn't muck it up.
mircea_popescu: and actually, you really should get him a diff nick, or yourself.
mircea_popescu: as it is you be just askin' for trouble.
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
assbot: Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: numerisTrade: why not just do it the way GlooBoy does?
fluffypony: he has an iTradeBTC account that, in theory, anyone could manage
fluffypony: but his WoT ratings are his own under his nick
mircea_popescu: "Obama joins a high-powered group of celebs to emphasize the vital role men play in preventing sexual assault " < i had no idea presidents are celebrities nao.
fluffypony: he could always nominate someone else to sell for him (and note that in the WoT)
numerisTrade: fluffypony, how to arraange it when two people are engaged? separate WoT ratings? But its the business that should be rated...
mircea_popescu: o, what's teh business ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise you had a business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7767 @ 0.00097405 = 7.5654 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the twitter lolzfarm :
mircea_popescu: "Robin Klein My week on twitter: 255 New Followers, 5 Mentions, 5.02K Mention Reach, 2 Replies, 15 Retweets.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @robinklein That's the definition of pathetic you know."
fluffypony: numerisTrade: separate WoT ratings, after a few ratings will it matter? alternatively, leave the numerisTrade nick for trading, and have another IRC session in your personal capacity :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32283 @ 0.00097588 = 31.5043 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmeixjlCIAE0_qV.jpg:large << best korea market prediction services.
mircea_popescu: soon to be ipoing on kimcoin
mircea_popescu: !up quantyfikator
assbot: Voicing quantyfikator for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5669484/britains-murder-case-against-one-of-irelands-most-important
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07122011 = 0.3561 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is why you do not negotiate, and you do not stop until the enemy is destroyed. not just dead, destroyed.
fluffypony: mad photoshop skillz: http://i.imgur.com/Nb1uRg0.jpg
mircea_popescu: otherwise, 40 years later...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony aahahahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.07120634 = 4.486 BTC [-] {4}
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, the business is just starting, according to your MPOE-PR tutorial. Currently we're experimenting with repo trading / secured loans
numerisTrade: ;;view
gribble: #20257 Thu Apr 17 07:20:26 2014 numerisTrade SELL 1.0 Repo transaction / Secured loan @ 477.04 USD (Price is amount of Ripple/Coinbase collateral. See more at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html)
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade ic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00097598 = 12.8829 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: pankkake (and I) were wondering when mpif shares are going to be available?
mircea_popescu: yesterday ?
pankkake: scam
mircea_popescu: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (495912 shares, 106.62 BTC)
fluffypony: not on coinbr
fluffypony pokes jurov
mircea_popescu: on coinbr when jurov gets around to it, which should be any time nao
pankkake: I'm surprised a date wouldn't announced in advance either
pankkake: meh…
fluffypony: pankkake: someone should tell Jimmothy so he can warn everyone
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: pankkake what diff does it make ?
pankkake: I want to buy some before there's nothing left, for one?
mircea_popescu: how would that work ? this is a managed asset, it's not supposed to trade much off its nav
mircea_popescu: i can issue an infinity of shares, and will if price diverges upwards.
mircea_popescu: i can destroy all the shares, and will if price diverges under.
mircea_popescu: it's an investment not a forum "ipo"
numerisTrade: fluffypony, the separate IRC session is understandable, but wouldn't it be more difficult to assign trust to numerisTrade, it being some sort of different entity?
pankkake: sure, but it's still annoying
fluffypony ponders
fluffypony: numerisTrade: there's a solution somewhere in this, I'm just too buggered to figure it out atm :)
mircea_popescu: so far it was selling excitedly at ~1% over nav, then panacea announced losses and it chilled.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony see, anal sex hurts.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: depends on whether or not you're the recipient
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2014#651792 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you gotta be on chan to trade on news.
pankkake: I know, I added a hilight on mpif
numerisTrade: or in general, how a "bitcoin corporation" should be managed?
pankkake: though I wasn't there after, it wouldn't have mattered, since coinbr seems to be manual in every way
numerisTrade: fluffypony, thx anyway :)
mircea_popescu: pankkake well you could have made an arrangement with anyone with an acct in the interim i guess, but srsly : you won't conceivably be locked out of shares, so. nothing to worry about on that score.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.48045998 = 14.8943 BTC [-] {9}
pankkake: we'll see
mircea_popescu: fluffypony of all the people i know that lost their cockthread thing whatever you call it, all lost it to a puckered butthole.
mircea_popescu: so... not necessarily.
fluffypony: numerisTrade: ok here's an idea - you have a mutual note in the WoT from personalnick1 to numerisTrade saying that personalnick1 is a representative of the company. same goes for personalnick2. because the WoT is meant to be interpreted and not viewed as a cumulative score or whatever, anyone trading with you can be told to check the numerisTrade WoT. once the trade is complete you can ask them to rate numerisTrade for the business and rate
fluffypony: you for the interaction.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much how it works.
pankkake: ;;gpg info bitbet
gribble: No such user registered.
pankkake: ;;gpg info mpex
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mtgox
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mtgox: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mtgox | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust karpeles
numerisTrade: thanks, fluffypony, great idea! should the numerisTrade WoT account be able to rate personalnick_i as well?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user karpeles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=karpeles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=karpeles | Rated since: never
pankkake: ;;getrating magicaltux
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
pankkake: ;;rated magicaltux
gribble: You rated user magicaltux on Thu Feb 27 08:13:53 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: ate all the coins.
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade yes, you go "Operator of this service"
fluffypony: numerisTrade: yes exactly - the mutual WoT note is how they can confirm it
numerisTrade: thanks, mircea_popescu
fluffypony: personalnick1 rates numerisTrade "I am one of the operators of numerisTrade", numerisTrade rates personalnick1 "This is one of the operators of this service"
fluffypony: if at any time you sell the company / leave / die / whatever that rating could be updated to reflect that
numerisTrade: ok, I wil apply this.
fluffypony: "Was one of the operators, got hit by a bus"
mircea_popescu: "we wish him a happy valhalla"
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: you know, you never hear much of folkvangr
fluffypony: ;;google folkvangr
gribble: Fólkvangr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr>; Death in Norse paganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism>; Norse Mythology | Locations in Scandinavia & Germantic Countries: <http://www.viking-mythology.com/locations.php>
mircea_popescu: fluffypony odin gets half the dead. freya the other half.
fluffypony: got it
numerisTrade: by the way, would you like to comment the repo trades we offer? http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html
mircea_popescu: well now that i know you do, yes, lol.
mircea_popescu: first comment being that blobspot sucks.
pankkake: weird not even a folkvangr in my music library
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade how do you take the collateral ?
pankkake: at least it's not the new style blogspot that requires javascript
numerisTrade: I know, I know. It's just that we didn't want to focus on the website at first
mircea_popescu: pankkake i know right ? an even split turns through the meta ear of humanity into an 99.99999% - 0% split. goes to show just how cultivated your average human alive is.
mircea_popescu: for instance : i would prefer to go live with the goddess of fuck than with some boastful hipster that ~is destined to fail and die~.
numerisTrade: in ripple fiat-denominated IOUs
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: what ?!
numerisTrade: the purpose of it is to be withdrawable from bitstamp et alia
pankkake: I wasn't aware BitstampEUR existed
mircea_popescu: ok i have to say that is the most obnoxiously stupid thing i heard all year. wtf.
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade so if the guy gives you the ripple iou and walks what do you do ?
numerisTrade: it's the bitstamp IOU. I redeem it at bitstamp and exchange to BTC
pankkake: mircea_popescu: the IOU is towards the exchange, so I don't really see the issue
mircea_popescu: oh so only ious issued by bitstamp ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00097406 = 21.3319 BTC [-] {2}
numerisTrade: yes, ofc :)
mircea_popescu: what if bitstamp locks your account for engaging in money laundering ?
numerisTrade: then I have a problem
pankkake: well, you can sell/transfer on ripple… actually, ripple is doing the money laundering for bitstamp
mircea_popescu: well, did you check this product you're offering with them ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5572 @ 0.00012908 = 0.7192 BTC [+] {4}
numerisTrade: I can convert to TheRock, but if this is locked as well...
pankkake: which is actually why I'm wondering why Ripple is still a thing with those big exchanges
mircea_popescu: pankkake because nobody gave a shit yet because they have bigger fires to put out because nobody uses ripple.
pankkake: that's my guess, but still, weird
mircea_popescu: kinda, yea.
mircea_popescu: then again, goxusd used to be a thing.
mircea_popescu: then... it went away one day.
pankkake: as with ripple, you can clearly transfer fiat IOUs between accounts, no funny internet money in between
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, you're right. But there aren't many other possibilities to take collateral
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade but did you check your plan with bitstamp
numerisTrade: If you're asking whether we tried it out, the answer is yes.
mircea_popescu: no, whether you went to whoever runs bitstamp and said, "hey, this is what we plan to do, do you see any problems and can we rely on you for it."
numerisTrade: no, not yet. It is a good idea though, thanks.
mircea_popescu: well, this points to a structural problem in your business planning process.
numerisTrade: I'm all ears
mircea_popescu: you gotta be able to identify all your stakeholders, and you gotta have at least talked to them.
mircea_popescu: but if you fail to even identify them, that's a strategic failure. failure to talk to them compounds operational failure on top of strategic failure and is how "surprises" happen
mircea_popescu: the sort that are surprising to everyone except you know, businessmen.
mircea_popescu: moving on : how do you expect to compete with stuff like x.eur (which also gets no volume worth the mention, come to think of it)
numerisTrade: x.eur is a slightly different product, it's a future, not a repurchase agreement, and so it serves a little bit different purposes (e.g. cannot be used as a secured loan). besides. it's not otc
mircea_popescu: well technically yours is not otc either, it's on ripple.
numerisTrade: so we didn't think of it as a competition actually
numerisTrade: otc as in not standarised and on central order book
mircea_popescu: well that is also a point of strategic failure. because competition it is, definitely : one wanting to short btc can either buy euros for delivery on bc at his option, or enter in your cfd.
mircea_popescu: and the unrepresented risk you have here is that if there's two slightly different products addressing roughly the same market,
pankkake: I should write a "price translator" for X.EUR. perhaps combine it with my existing B-C bot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03129704 = 0.2504 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you can easily end up with the traintracks problem
pankkake: though for my use I don't see much of an advantage vs. trading on B-C directly
numerisTrade: in that matter, yes it is.
mircea_popescu: that is, what if all the good business flocks to one and all the scammers to the other ?
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what strategic planning for businesses is : "foreseeing" these problems and addressing them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
numerisTrade: obviously, we're scammed, then :) by the way, thanks for pointing the stakeholder issue
mircea_popescu: yw.
numerisTrade: traintracks problem? could you explain, please?
mircea_popescu: it's an us idiom. old style (esp southern) towns had a "right side of the tracks", where respectable people lived
mircea_popescu: and a wrong side, where mostly the blacks were quartered.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: preventing such a fate for bitcoin, for instance, has been 90% of all the work of 2012 and 2013
numerisTrade: returning for the while to the competition issue, currently, the main problem is the volume, not too tight competition, as I believe
mircea_popescu: pankkake the x.eur has the advantage that being supported by push txn and exchange sigs, you can enter into derivative gpg contracts of infinite complexity and actual otc quality on its basis.
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade but "currently" can not stand as an argument in a strategic matter.
pankkake: well, perhaps, but I can't and don't need those things yet :)
mircea_popescu: whether the bridge is built well or badly is not related to whether it currently rains
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's fine eh :D
pankkake: nor do I get much lower trade fees on coinbr (0.5 vs. 0.59)
numerisTrade: but you are actually right that x.eur is a good base for otc derivatives
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00097071 = 19.0259 BTC [-] {3}
numerisTrade: you've given us much to think about
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade if you'll stand the statement, i'll say that this has been an illuminating exercise as to the value of higher education. while you're a trained economist and the average forum dweller is a highschool drop-out, you and them are both about equally inept in business. the one difference is that your higher training allows you to understand what i say, and their lack of education denies them same.
numerisTrade: I'll regard that as a compliment
pankkake: I would have to agree on economists being inept at business. not that it's bad, they can be good economists, it's just another domain
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's more of a "go to college my son, not so you can do great things, but so you may understand why the men doing great things are laughing at you, and laugh with them."
mircea_popescu: the specialisation isn't really all that important.
numerisTrade: nevertheless, it's true that we're still learning
mircea_popescu: well this has been a productive morning. and outside... it's sunny, but rain drops are falling
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ejR01W8fks
ozbot: raindrops keep falling on my head - YouTube
pankkake: so today's big news is that zuckerberg drops the hoodie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00458548 = 0.2568 BTC [+]
pankkake: also http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-14:08.tcp.asc
fluffypony: lol, pankkake, someone commented on that - "INB4 Technology blogs think they're clever naming this FreeBleed."
mircea_popescu: Affects: All supported versions of FreeBSD.
mircea_popescu: cute.
pankkake: and the many OSes which copied that TCP stack
mircea_popescu: which is afaik everyone
mircea_popescu: who wrote their own tcp stack ? netbsd ?
pankkake: I don't think OpenBSD has the same, and nor does Linux of course
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 116k High: 225 Low: 195 VWAP: 217
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders << that is an option the shareholders take on their own backs.
mircea_popescu: someone not reading the logs is making a conscious and deliberate move.
mircea_popescu: "I've been a few months there and no problem. If only they allowed btc/usd trading..." uh color me fucking confused. isn't that EXACTLY what bit4x does ?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43373066 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00096904 = 14.9717 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Perhaps URLs are just destined to be an implementation detail that the next generation of users won’t even know exists. Maybe I was crazy to think that URLs were a permanent part of our culture. Still, I’ll miss the damn things. Let’s pour one out for the URL."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck perhaps.
mircea_popescu: i will burn apple and facebook in urine before i give up the url.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about some shitty us corps already, jesus christ on a popsicle.
pankkake: they already buried the http(s):// :(
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 6ea5c6f1a97f382f87523d13ef9f2ef17b828607107efdbba42a80b8a6555356
mircea_popescu: blockchain is back to that number.
mircea_popescu: pankkake so they like to think.
pankkake: chrome devs even refuse to make it an option
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls << yeah, because to the idiot everything that he doesn't grok is dirty.
mircea_popescu: pankkake well i don't use chrome.
pankkake: no one should, but that's not the point :)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile yes, they are killing in my logs.
mircea_popescu: 40% of all traffic or some shit like that.
asciilifeform: FreeBSD << obligatorily mumbles, 'don't blame the mice.'
fluffypony: Google Ultron is a MUCH better browser than Chrome
fluffypony: plus NASA uses it so you know it's good
fluffypony: </obscure_reference>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.0700174 = 5.1113 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform blame everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: equally, and equal to the entire pot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo" << so what happened, her two boyfriends took you around town to party ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: much worse than that - her dad played tour guide
mircea_popescu: punkman: fluffypony, because someone smart left the keys on the door (on the inside) << were these... gpg keys ?
fluffypony: I'd have loved it if she had two boyfriends who took me out to party, at least I would've had a godo time
mircea_popescu: badoom-tsks
fluffypony: *good
mircea_popescu: your slutometer is clearly broken.
fluffypony: clearly
asciilifeform: wtf, is this 'the onion'? 'urls abolished?' what'd i wake up do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform welcome to 2023.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03102422 = 1.0238 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i once lost my watch. the only one time i lost my watch. i was completely wtf'd as to where i could have put the thing ?! or maybe... justmaybe... some handslight actually got it off me and now i'm never going to hear the end of "o lalala i stole mps watch lalala" *whack* ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.0293048 = 1.9927 BTC [-] {10}
mircea_popescu: so the father of this cute schoolgirl gives me back my watch.
mircea_popescu: he had found it.
mircea_popescu: he had found it, at their 2nd town appt, where the girl's grandmother lived in the summers, which was atm empty being winter.
mircea_popescu: he had found it, on this particular bedside niche hidden spot that's only accessible really if you're lying in bed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03349828 = 0.737 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: he had found it, because he was there with his wife... and they...well... they got a little frisky
mircea_popescu: and so...
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: awkward moment ensues, im trying to recall if the girl's 16 even...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03395502 = 0.3735 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.029 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03441776 = 0.413 BTC [+] {12}
fluffypony: that must've been a fun convo
mircea_popescu: "Taaki is an Iranian-British free-market anarchist and developer of high-profile bitcoin projects like the decentralized online marketplace prototype DarkMarket"
mircea_popescu: ok that's fucking it. wired is under embargo from now on.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony actually it ended there. what was he doing to say.
asciilifeform: wait, that taaki?
asciilifeform: bob the goat-builder?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: cue movie voice over guy: DARK (dark dark dark) MARKET (market market market)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. wired is below fucking daily mail.
asciilifeform: lol!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03574998 = 0.429 BTC [+] {12}
asciilifeform: incidentally, the term 'wired' in usa is not always to do with wires. it is also a traditional euphemism for tripping on strong dope.
mircea_popescu: "learn the secret nigerian dairy farmers hate : how an Edinburgh mum built a functioning goat out of tooth paste and some wood shavings"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03674998 = 0.294 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform: 'mr dope was quite wired, spent three days re-arranging hammers in tool chest'
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv568AzZ-i8
ozbot: What We Do in the Shadows - Official Trailer - YouTube
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's refreshing to see that a) taaki is continuing his gofer career, because that's what the guy does, much a la gmaxwell : he tries to associate with important projects in the hopes that people with money are stupid enough to go by what fucktarded ragazines publish, and so maybe he can get some.
mircea_popescu: this plan isn't working, the guy lived in squalor in 2004 and lives in squalor today and will live in squalor in 2024 too
asciilifeform: seems to contradict the biologists' maxim 'parasite is either fat or dead'
mircea_popescu: but b) that he's fucking moved on from bitcoin and now is reduced to trying to leech geeks a la cody wilson. that's a net positive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well this one parasite is ugly.
asciilifeform: the little fleas, have smaller fleas, ... etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03716666 = 0.223 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03794999 = 0.3795 BTC [+] {10}
asciilifeform: http://everything2.com/title/I+knew+I+couldn%2527t+build+a+cat
ozbot: I knew I couldn't build a cat - Everything2.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03881249 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738544 = 0.2216 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03908 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03946665 = 0.2368 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03987498 = 0.1595 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 5000 @ 0.000215 = 1.075 BTC
random_cat: and here i thought taake was a lame norwegian black metal band
mircea_popescu: "Google reaped both sides of the coin, got money from the advertisers, used the publishers, and didn’t
mircea_popescu: have to pay them a single penny. We were told to go and look into the publishers accounts, and if any
mircea_popescu: publisher had accumulated earnings exceeding $5000 and was near a payout or in the process of a
mircea_popescu: payout, we were to ban the account right away and reverse the earnings back. They kept saying it was
mircea_popescu: needed for the company, and that most of these publishers were ripping Google off anyways, and that
mircea_popescu: their gravy train needed to end. Many employees were not happy about this. A few resigned over it.
mircea_popescu: I did not. I stayed because I had a family to support, and secondly I wanted to see how far they would
mircea_popescu: go."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04004899 = 0.4005 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00096659 = 17.7369 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: The new policy; "shelter the possible problem makers, and fuck the rest" (those words were actually said by a Google AdSense exec) when he spoke about the new procedure and policy for "Account Quality Control".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096524 = 4.2471 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman that's actually quite well matched to market signals. i wonder if anyone'll ever investigate these matters. seems sort-of like a probe in gazprom.
mircea_popescu: no soviets ever investigate teh crown jool.
mircea_popescu: "It involved skewing data in Google Analytics. They decided it was a good idea to alter the statistical data shown for websites. It first began with just altering data reports for Analytics account holders that also had an AdSense account, but they ran into too many issues and decided it would be simpler just to skew the report data across the board to remain consistent and implement features globally."
mircea_popescu: ok im republishing this shit.
mircea_popescu: +why
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850064 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0295619 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02983268 = 0.2685 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03099998 = 0.248 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03540211 = 0.177 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03947965 = 0.2369 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/
ozbot: The Serious IPO, a moment in the life and times of forum investing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po
pankkake: that was my thought when I saw the pic
pankkake: they have the same photoshop skillz
mircea_popescu: now someone make a forum account put that shit up there.
pankkake: informationS is usually how I spot French guys writing in English
mircea_popescu: not just french.
mircea_popescu: also ex french colonies
mircea_popescu: (aka africa)
jurov: uh oh mpif is on
pankkake: yeah jurov stop scamming us
mircea_popescu: jurov hai.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: hi mircea
jurov: buying mpif viac oinbr works nao
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 30000 @ 0.000215 = 6.45 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450424 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: jurov for a moment there i thought you may be off on something ungodly like i dunno, a 1st may vacatgion or something
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4765 @ 0.000215 = 1.0245 BTC
jurov: no, that was tonight ;D
pankkake: the French are forbidden to work today! it's work day
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 37650 @ 0.000215 = 8.0948 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4750 @ 0.000215 = 1.0213 BTC
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591758.0 who's that
jurov: assbot does not react to ozbot? or it's only the capitals?
asciilifeform: happy w☭rkers' day, compadres.
jurov: how do you called comrade in russia? tovarish?
asciilifeform: jurov: товарищ
jurov: indeed. we called them "súdruh","súdružka"
asciilifeform: aha slovak
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4628 @ 0.000215 = 0.995 BTC
fluffypony: pankkake: me
jurov: while "družka" is more like life and sexual partner.. dunno how commies though it's appropriate
pankkake: cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03191666 = 0.1915 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: drugi srsly ?!
fluffypony: NotLambchop is my favourite person on the securities subforum lately
asciilifeform: what's remarkable here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where they call party members bffs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: and a priest is 'father', no one thinks this odd
mircea_popescu: actually i do, but anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03801236 = 0.3041 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you find it odd if some othrodox country actually called the priest "cousin" ?
jurov: not just party members, everyone was supposed to do it, like "mr." and "ms." equivalent
asciilifeform: aye
asciilifeform: anyway, for the noobs, the slavic languages are almost 'plug-compatible,' just gotta bend a few pins.
Apocalyptic: I heard fico likes to be called that way
mircea_popescu: same here. tovarasi was so commie-imbued in romanian it pretty much died out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878541 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850187 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: not a bad occasion to stop and wonder, what ordinary words of today will die the same death.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03919196 = 0.196 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02850121 = 0.114 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: liberal is pretty much dead. libertard will probably survive.
asciilifeform: liberast.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that connotes in english is rastafarian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.039 = 0.156 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0285008 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: which are like, the pre-pastafarian pastafarians.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0325714 = 0.228 BTC [+] {7}
kakobrekla: !up venzen
assbot: Voicing venzen for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03257113 = 0.228 BTC [-] {7}
kakobrekla: fyi, you need a voice to speak here
venzen: hehe, HeySteve just dropped off
kakobrekla: you can get voiced yourself once you get some wot rating from someone close enough to assbot
venzen: ok, thanks kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: lol the small amount of oppression. the oppressed don't even know about it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299666 = 0.198 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0340005 = 0.136 BTC [-] {3}
venzen: ok, i will hangaround and wait for someone i know
mike_c: that bit4x email is great. "You are not too bright. All Best, Matic"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03299466 = 0.198 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0340002 = 0.17 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03333298 = 0.3 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03319918 = 0.166 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: !up HeySteve
assbot: Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0335428 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.00543609 = 0.3207 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03285 = 0.3285 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03355708 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so HeySteve you know this venzen guy ?
mike_c: kakobrekla: pif trades are flowing. thanks.
kakobrekla: mike_c :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033566 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0323501 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: mike_c btw, i summed the missed ones in a single 470k trade
kakobrekla: so the vol should be correct, just timing a little off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mike_c: ok. that's not far off from what happened anyway i believe. couple big blocks sold.
fluffypony: mike_c: which bit4x email?
kakobrekla: wha?
mike_c: fluffypony: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652502 ☝︎
fluffypony: tks
kakobrekla: o yeah, we now have venzen here cause of that post, allegedly a friend of heysteve.
kakobrekla: no wot yet, so let see how that goes.
mircea_popescu: http://zonadestiri.com/florin-popescu-a-cerut-70-tone-de-pui-pentru-a-le-da-cetatenilor-in-campania-electorala-2012-nitu-i-a-trimis-lui-cazanciuc-referatul-dna-pentru/ << florin popescu guy looks just like fucking karpeles.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whichg post ?
kakobrekla: the one mike just linked
mircea_popescu: aok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have a definition of a n00b lying around?
mircea_popescu: not voiced here ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03150111 = 0.378 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.06474168 = 0.8416 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.033599 = 0.4032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00097085 = 5.5338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6301 @ 0.00097085 = 6.1173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06867792 = 6.8678 BTC [-] {9}
kakobrekla: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF
ozbot: F.MPIF last 4628@0.00021500
kakobrekla: lol top ask = scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.06775852 = 10.8414 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: reminds me of gold old sandstorm on havelock
kakobrekla: what happened there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07379992 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: sold all (~100 BTC) in a few minutes and resold at 10× price right after
kakobrekla: who?
pankkake: and that was a fund, too. don't know who
kakobrekla: lolk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00097104 = 10.4387 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 200000 @ 0.000215 = 43 BTC
jurov: um...is marketmaker allowed to front run the IPO?
mike_c: ooh, the pif liquidity manager runs a brokerage.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03599787 = 0.756 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: that seems like an opportunity for something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850035 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 40000 @ 0.000215 = 8.6 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03599787 = 0.216 BTC [+]
jurov: mike_c: clients can see mpex receipts, so i can't do any straightforward meddling
kakobrekla: anyone can see the your full stat ?
ThickAsThieves: he'll be reporting all trades at least
ThickAsThieves: if i recall
mircea_popescu: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (832805 shares, 179.05 BTC)
mircea_popescu: holy.
jurov: yes, i'm going to.. but for not i have to seize the opportunity by hand
mircea_popescu: mk ima add another 1mn shares then.
jurov: oh, at the same price?
mircea_popescu: well yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 167195 @ 0.000215 = 35.9469 BTC
jurov: lolk.. there goes easy profit
fluffypony: well there's that
mike_c: um, doesn't that completely change the fund? what would you do with the next 200 btc?
ThickAsThieves: it goes to fund assets
mircea_popescu: mike_c dump some moar into jdice, for instance.
ThickAsThieves: shouldnt mp be listed as a manager?
pankkake: the just-dice one can easily be grown (though profit will not grow exactly linearly)
mircea_popescu: general manager even
ThickAsThieves: right
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.000215 = 2.15 BTC
mike_c: seems like if you raise more funds it will turn into the panacea/JD fund. the other pcs can't handle much more capital.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03669396 = 0.3669 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: mike_c i think it varies a lot over time too. for instance, pc4 is currentl;y very little exposed. but as a lot of bets are med term, 6 months, 1 yr
mircea_popescu: the weight of its book will eventually end up significant
ThickAsThieves: regarding my previous comments on bingoboingo soliciting trade info from others, i guess i kind of see it as the MPEx as the purported/aspiring to be SRO in the space. in that sense i think the long-term view might be to consider whether this is really a best practice, and further whether this channel would ultimately serve as fair info distribution to shareholders
mircea_popescu: mpif is also not obliged to put ALL its capital into pcs, it can keep a reserve
asciilifeform: in what sense is the channel anything other than public ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this channel does serve as the info distribution for all bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: this is so by fiat.
ThickAsThieves: it's not a question of whether this is public
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/04/nsa-ghostmachine-echobase.pdf
asciilifeform: (long time, no turds!)
fluffypony: awwww
fluffypony: they deleted my PROSLIMBS posts
mircea_popescu: who's they ?
fluffypony: moderators
ThickAsThieves: it removes possibility of being a passive investor in any regard, which i suppose is okay with the right support systems in place
fluffypony: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/proslimbs-inc-amazing-investment-opportunity.307614/
fluffypony: it's still there
fluffypony: but not on the regular forum
ThickAsThieves: having to parse this log all day is relatively shitty a requirement, no?
asciilifeform: 'what do you mean i have to dip them!'
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: why can't oine be a passive investor ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu he means too many people have voice
ThickAsThieves: sorta
ThickAsThieves: and that not all info here is relevant
mircea_popescu: so wait, we're letting TOO MANY people talk ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17378 @ 0.00097179 = 16.8878 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i thought you hated the +m originally >D
pankkake: no, just talk too much :)
mircea_popescu: o that.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ThickAsThieves: well it's not #MPIF
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is precisely why being a financial professional is... you know... a profession.
pankkake: perhaps the unexisting Trilema TL;DR should also be assets TL;DR
mircea_popescu: if you mean it removes the possibility of expecting to meet the performance of professionals on the budget and investment of an amateur, yes, this is correct.
mircea_popescu: also desirable and unavoidalb.e
ThickAsThieves: right, so what i meant by support systems for passive investors, might be, having independent investment managers
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: and stuff like btcalpha.
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly how markets work, because it's exactly how sanity requires.
ThickAsThieves: sure
ThickAsThieves: but back to soliciting trade info
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so why don't we find someone who can spend 2-3 hours a day parsing the logs and making an overview/digest and putting it up, and then put that up on a paywall'd site, the proceeds of which pay their salary?
ThickAsThieves: because it's not "we"'s problem
mircea_popescu: ^ fluffypony on the topic of how good design begets business.
asciilifeform: fluffypony: have you hired someone to chew your food? why not?
dub: IRC professionalz in hurr
ThickAsThieves: how do classify the allowance of the practice of your fund manager soliciting trade info from others?
bounce: didn't we have an expert digester sadly out of a job recently?
fluffypony: dub :)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what'd he do exactly ?
mircea_popescu: bounce who that ?
FabianB: ;;calc 213.15567101*0.9822
gribble: 209.361500066
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I don't need a digest, I have the time to parse the forum, but if I get caught up in things I can imagine I simply wouldn't have the time for it on an ongoing, daily basis
asciilifeform: fluffypony: what do you plan to get caught up in, that leaves no possibility of reading log? polar expedition?
mircea_popescu wonders what 9822 is
ThickAsThieves: <+ThickAsThieves> well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
ThickAsThieves: <+ThickAsThieves> i interpreted it as you forcing things
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
ThickAsThieves: <+ThickAsThieves> yes, it confirmed my suspicion
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
FabianB: ;;calc 100-1.78
gribble: 98.22
FabianB: mircea_popescu: ^^
mircea_popescu: FabianB but... ummm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
FabianB: mircea_popescu: just a funny way to make a bid order in f.mpif
mircea_popescu: a) that was for april and b) panacea is like 20%ish of mpif
mircea_popescu: aok
FabianB: mircea_popescu: panaceas -1.78
mircea_popescu: FabianB but mpif already reported no loss from panacea in april.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: it takes me a few hours to catch up when I miss stuff (including reading posted links, researching stuff I don't understand, etc.), I don't always have a few hours loose every day, and you know how it goes once you let it slip for a few days - it's easier to just skip the few days you missed
mircea_popescu: related : May 01 01:46:17 <mircea_popescu>mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
FabianB: no loss for next month?
mircea_popescu: FabianB you expect panacea to lose 1.78 twice in a row ?
FabianB: nah
mircea_popescu: but yeah i get it, you wanted some numbers to put in a formula
FabianB: so mpif invested after the loss?
mircea_popescu: i should hope
fluffypony: wth - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591044.msg6490402#msg6490402
FabianB: mircea_popescu: yeah, just that, already bought into the big ask and still wanted to have bids below
fluffypony: "Hello. my name Ewelina S. iam from Poland. in 25 of march i make order for Terra miner 2tgh/s for 5.999$ +1.108$ shipping. I am a single mother who raises two children.I borrowed these monay from family and friends for the development of investment btc.At the moment, my financial situation has changed for the worse, and I was forced to resign from the ordered equipment.Please help me recover my money.If I lose these money i dont know what
jurov: well, i now realize my position is a bit problematic, not cause i'm a broker
fluffypony: will happen with my life.I do not have any contact with Ct please HELP"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07377667 = 0.1476 BTC [-]
jurov: but cause i can implement very slightly flawed mm strategy
mircea_popescu: jurov how do you mean ?
jurov: in order to extract more profit
jurov: for myself
kakobrekla: mpif balance in panacea is 50 btc
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.43159607 BTC
jurov: or i can be accused to at least
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov how'd it go ?
ThickAsThieves: jurov wasnt it addressed that front-running would be a fireable offense?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves afaik.
ThickAsThieves: while you *could* implement programmatic ways to do so, i'm not sure you could hide the suspicious activity totally
mike_c: i don't think jurov is in a different situation than anyone else. BingoBoingo could trade the markets on his own book, hanbot could place bets with her own money, etc.
ThickAsThieves: but you are right on the flipside
ThickAsThieves: what if you it looks suspicious, but iisnt an offense
jurov: say, i'd open another anon mpex account and trade the mpif with myself from there
ThickAsThieves: how do you defend yourself
mircea_popescu: jurov so you make losses in your pc acct ?
ThickAsThieves: or less profit than he might have therwise
mike_c: all the pif managers are on the honor system. i assume suspicious behaviors will result in execution by general manager.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well one's fraud and other's breach of duty of care
ThickAsThieves: well theyre both fraud,
ThickAsThieves: what i meant was
ThickAsThieves: rather than make loss
ThickAsThieves: he could skim
ThickAsThieves: say he wouldve made 5%
ThickAsThieves: and skims it down to 3%
mircea_popescu: it's still front running tho, and pretty visible
ThickAsThieves: what if someone frames him
mircea_popescu: how would someone frame him ?
ThickAsThieves: well let's change that,
ThickAsThieves: what if trades look suspicious
ThickAsThieves: how does he defend himself
mircea_popescu: but listen, he maintains the book.
mircea_popescu: so he has whatever, an order at 5.
mircea_popescu: anyone can go on top of that, at 5.1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02850252 = 0.171 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: so why'd this look suspicious ?
ThickAsThieves: say he front runs selectively how do we prove guilt or innocence
mircea_popescu: actually! this brings a very useful clarification.
mircea_popescu: jurov : stay outside of 1% of nav on either direction.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC
mircea_popescu: that's your hard limit.
mike_c: oof. nav is not a spot price..
ThickAsThieves: jurov's job gets easier by the minute!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mike_c: harder
mike_c: now he needs a good price for nav
ThickAsThieves: harder to profit yes
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's not, but it's better if it's collared
mircea_popescu: jurov do you follow the logic of this ?
jurov: well... what if we'll bids/asks both outside nav?
mircea_popescu: suppose nav is 1. you don't bid over .99 and don't ask under 1.01
ThickAsThieves: then he releases more shares
mircea_popescu: that way you can always be overbid by users, should they want to.
mircea_popescu: i won't issue shares unless we're looking at a 105% or something like that.
fluffypony: so when is someone going to fork Altcoin and call it B1tcoin?
jurov: ok, i get it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 9790 @ 0.0000502 = 0.4915 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 215/213.15
gribble: 1.0086793338
mircea_popescu: i guess this was too far inzone.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 213*1.02
gribble: 217.26
jurov: current positions are 200k shares were bought at 215000 (and selling at 29000) + 7BTC
jurov: plus i bought another 167195 shares myself
jurov: *at 21500
mircea_popescu: alrighty, i'll give you a pass on what looks like a ~0.5% loss so far for may :p
mircea_popescu: $depth f.mpif
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['10000 @ 0.0002113', '20000 @ 0.00020936', '1000 @ 0.00020001', '100000 @ 0.0002', '1000 @ 0.0002']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '200000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004', '10000 @ 0.001']
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00096862 = 10.1705 BTC [-]
jurov: i don't say the 29k ask is there forever..just till i dust off the bot code
mircea_popescu: anyway, mike_c et all : his job is not so bad, he gets a guaranteed 2.5% every time he flips.
mike_c: i don't understand why you want to keep the price so close to NAV. This thing is supposed to make money. that is worth something. if you issue shares until price drops to close to nav than the roi will be piddling.
mike_c: i am confused.
mircea_popescu: mike_c there are some things conflated in there i don't follow.
ThickAsThieves: so i'll instigate further, what vetting does general manager do for bot software used by managers? basically enough rope to hang themselves?
mircea_popescu: first off, why would this thing "make money" other than through nav going up ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't do any, their job.
ThickAsThieves: mike_c also note that when new shares are released and purchased, it increases nav for everyone
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how ?
ThickAsThieves: so early buyers still have incentive
ThickAsThieves: well if you sell another 200btc
ThickAsThieves: that goes to assets
mircea_popescu: no, i deposited nav to get another mn shares.
jurov: nav *per share* stays the same
ThickAsThieves: hrm
mircea_popescu: 213.2whatevetiwas
ThickAsThieves: i admit i dont really follow
mike_c: ok. NAV is 100 btc and there are 100 shares. investor projects fund will make 10% this year. He values this highly and is therefore willing to pay 1.06 for a share.
Apocalyptic: finance is hard
mircea_popescu: mike_c ok.
mike_c: this is now over 5% over NAV, so you issue more shares.
mircea_popescu: to him.
mircea_popescu: he can't overpay by 6%, because i sell to him at 101.5
mike_c: ok, he buys all of it
mircea_popescu: ok.
mike_c: you issue more shares
mircea_popescu: someone else wants to pay over 15 pips or why do i issue more shares ?
jurov: you updated the price to 21726 ?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, went out of your bounds. i was at .88% before i enacted the 1% collar for you.
mircea_popescu: gave you some space.
mike_c: ok, let's try this. so say this block sells out (the 2nd 200 btc). and now you stop issuing shares.
mircea_popescu: (could have given you .5% but imo too narrow, so)
mircea_popescu: mike_c i won't stop issuing shares.
mike_c: ..
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2014#652833 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ThickAsThieves: i'm still lost on how continual issuance of shares doesnt affect NAV
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because they're issued at nav.
mike_c: that is my point. you are going to keep issuing shares until the ROI drops so low that nobody is willing to pay more than 5% over nav
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03949966 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: mike_c 1.5%
ThickAsThieves: so when you say you 'deposit' btc to issue more shares, where does that go?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves into the f.mpif's cash position.
mircea_popescu: Cash BTC deposited in http://trilema.com/2014/fmpif-april-2014-statement/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03969955 = 0.1985 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02850035 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so mpif has 200btc and then sells more shares and gets another 200btc
mircea_popescu: roughly.
jurov: gotta go afk, hope nav won't reach 29000/1.01 in the meantime :D
ThickAsThieves: that's 400btc in coffer no?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.015**(12*20)
gribble: 35.632815554
mircea_popescu: that's 1.5% compounded monthly.
ThickAsThieves: i get it now
ThickAsThieves: nav doesnt increase so much as "weight" does
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: and weight ~= safety.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03986749 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03999 = 0.2399 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02918196 = 0.321 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mp the link on mpex.co to mpif statements is broken
ThickAsThieves: points to smpif category
mike_c: I'm going to try again. Funds can sell at a premium or a discount to NAV. You are basically saying you won't allow this above +/- 1.5%. The only way I can see to do this is to carry a massive cash balance in the fund.
ThickAsThieves: if that's what the people want...
ThickAsThieves: it would place more weight on mp's mgmt role
mike_c: that's what the general manager wants.
mircea_popescu: aty
mircea_popescu: mike_c how does one follow from the other ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
mike_c: the invested funds will grow. that is worth a premium. cash will not grow. so to keep the premium very small, cash must dominate invested funds.
mircea_popescu: but listen. this is an investment fund. its business is to invest. if it does well, it would naturally receive more cash to invest.
mircea_popescu: sure, in principle the later investments would attract lower margins than the earlier investments.
mircea_popescu: however, this diversification also breeds security.
mircea_popescu: so i guess your objection reduces to this not being a high risk/high reward enough for you thing ?
mike_c: no, i don't think so.
mike_c: (i don't think that's my objection)
ThickAsThieves: i think we're just getting a grip on it
ThickAsThieves: which was probably a large point of the "excercise" of it existing at all ;)
mircea_popescu: well that's why i say
mircea_popescu: exactly :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7769 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: suppose instead of 1.5% (or the initial .88%) i charged 45%.
mircea_popescu: now, anyone trying to get into this fund would first have to take a 45% haircut, as mp tax.
mircea_popescu: what fucking sense does that make ?
jurov: ;;calc 21726/1.01
gribble: 21510.8910891
mike_c: it makes sense if the fund is going to return 50%
mircea_popescu: mike_c not imo.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 21315 *.99
gribble: 21101.85
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 21315 1.01
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 21315*1.01
gribble: 21528.15
mircea_popescu: jurov : under 21101 and over 21528
jurov: lol we have to agree if it's /1.01 or *0.99
jurov: it's not the same :)
mircea_popescu: lol. ok
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 21315 / 1.01
gribble: 21103.960396
mircea_popescu: jurov : under 21103 and over 21528
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.52398268 BTC to 8`031 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0285 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let me make an illustrative working model by what i mean by the size breeds security thing.
jurov: so i can now undercut the 21726 ask? but dunno if that recovers selling fee
mircea_popescu: jurov you can, yes. fee is what, .2%
jurov: ;;calc 21726/21528
gribble: 1.00919732441
jurov: mhm
mircea_popescu: suppose vpif has 1 pc, with 10 btc. at t=0, the share goes for 100 satoshi.
mircea_popescu: at t=1, the sole manager seems to be making a 15% gain
mircea_popescu: now, on model A, the spot tracs this, and the share trades at 115
mircea_popescu: on model B, the spot gets stuck at 101.5 while the capital of the fund swells to 50 btc, of which 10 allocated to pc1.
mircea_popescu: at t=2, the sole manager that seemed to have been making a 15% gain runs off with the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: for model A, this is a 115 satoshi/share loss.
mircea_popescu: for model B, this is a 20 satoshi per share loss.
mike_c: yes. so this goes back to what i said about the fund will end up carrying a huge cash balance
mike_c: in your example, 80%
mircea_popescu: except this example is 1 pc and mpif has 5, and this example has a shock 15% month, which mpif prolly won't ever have.
mircea_popescu: so yes, it will carry cash. not that much, but in fact just about what's usually considered prudent in fiat.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, nobody went broke holding btc.
ThickAsThieves: yet!
mircea_popescu: apple for that matter carries billions in cash, so does berkshire, so do all powerful corps.
mircea_popescu: cash matters.
mike_c: ok. obviously we will see how it plays out. but mpif will make 15% annually, which may end up meaning a 80% cash balance.
mircea_popescu: mike_c no, because these are per month.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02893333 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if nav is 220 next month, the price goes up for the shares too
mike_c: ok ok. but this then all relies on you having a very good idea what your nav is at a given time.
mircea_popescu: mpif may definitely end up with a large cash balance, but this would be a negative commentary on the btc financial space, rather than on mpif itself.
mircea_popescu: mike_c well that's the one good argument for increasing the berth there, actually. 1.5% may be too narrow,
mircea_popescu: and it may jump further up, according to what experience will indicate
mircea_popescu: the current value is a best guess value.
ThickAsThieves: sounds like the mpif general mgr needs to be an active one
mircea_popescu: hey, i read these logs
mircea_popescu: i have, for like... i dunno, a year or two ? BILLIONZ OF LINES!11
ThickAsThieves: and will you hawk over hanbot's bet progress and such?
ThickAsThieves: basically maintain a dynamic nav as best you can
mircea_popescu: notrly.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: note tho that they're my shares, if i sell them under nav... well... tough tits for me.
bounce: so that's why you talk so much. can skip any lines you wrote yourself come log reading time.
mircea_popescu: bounce no because most of the time i don't remember what i said
mircea_popescu: then im all like... o wow check out how fucking smart this dood is!
mircea_popescu: and then... o wait. it's... me ? win.
bounce: right in character too. my, there goes my snark.
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: !ticker moolah
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
thestringpuller: !ticker moolah
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
thestringpuller: !ticker moolah
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
mike_c: one piece i was missing is that you will allow the share price to grow. this is different from many funds that keep their share price constant.
thestringpuller: ;;kittylasers
gribble: Error: "kittylasers" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;laserkitty
gribble: Error: "laserkitty" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;laserkitteh
gribble: Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: :(
Naphex: eevening
ThickAsThieves: ;;laserkitten
gribble: Error: "laserkitten" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
moiety: i thought moolah was closing
jurov: we can resume waiting for S.MNKY.. oh it got rebranded to S.LIMBS nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00013465 = 1.3465 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100000 @ 0.00015292 = 15.292 BTC [+] {31}
fluffypony: who's sir Hassan and who's EricCEO?
mircea_popescu: my guess would be goon lurkers here ?
mircea_popescu waves
mircea_popescu: lol any extraditions yet ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013923 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {3}
bounce: wonder if that's actually more than one person. before you know it they hit "hero member" and nobody notices anything wrong.
Duffer1: needs Bitcoin Foundation Member avatar
moiety: intrepoll can extradite me if they like
pankkake: if only we could change avatars… :(
Duffer1: i know :(
moiety: owait it doesnt work like how i was thinking
moiety: why did btctalk stop the avatars btw?
fluffypony: moiety: someone exploited a bug in it
bounce: colour me shocked
fluffypony: and instead of spending a small portion of the few thousand BTC donated to fix it
fluffypony: and re-enable avatars
fluffypony: or, you know, use non-shitty forum software
fluffypony: they decided to just switch off functionality
mircea_popescu: lol
moiety: will the mythical new software ever happen?
kakobrekla: cant be mythical if it happens
fluffypony: moiety: yes. they are reinventing the wheel from scratch for tens of thousands of Dollars, and it is expected to be released by 2025
moiety: been mythical so far
bounce: you never know. next you know they breed a horse that sings
ThickAsThieves: well considering they had people like garr and john k holding the coins...
moiety: i see john re-appeared
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096501 = 15.3437 BTC [-]
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445
ozbot: Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people
pankkake: :D
fluffypony: where's jurov, he'll enjoy that
moiety: i know someone else that used smf for an altcoin forum, lasted like 2 months before they migrated to other software
fluffypony: ;;later tell jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.msg6494445#msg6494445
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: I stumbled upon http://bitvestor.info/
Duffer1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Vexual> ty
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-first-trading-day-of-fmpif/
ozbot: The first trading day of F.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/#comment-99465
ozbot: Let’s do Mark Cuban pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: your site, %blogtitle%
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo choose a baseball game and we'll go send me a later tell and we'll figure it out
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pankkake like another forum ?
mircea_popescu: !up phish
assbot: Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "Hello mrWDunne please advised real offer is mine hassan wants to only delouse you."
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 458.24, Best ask: 460.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 458.03, 24 hour volume: 8861.20016406, 24 hour low: 444.59, 24 hour high: 461.0, 24 hour vwap: 453.600423354
pankkake: well a forum of scams. like that horrific forum about high yield ponzies
mircea_popescu: with this large amount of good quality lulz we should see an uptick in price
asciilifeform: wants to only delouse you... high yield ponzies... << can't help but imagine a prisoner trying to subsist on his own lice.
asciilifeform: then feels robbed, when someone delouses him
mircea_popescu: ew
mircea_popescu: i suppose one could imagine this far away island where the greatest delicacy is pubic hair lice
fluffypony: I wonder if you could reverse attack those spam comment systems
fluffypony: by having a malicious blogtitle
asciilifeform: there is a great multitude of people who make a hobby of pwning spammers, crapware artists, etc.
asciilifeform: it's about as much fun as catching and eating fleas.
mircea_popescu: im sure you can.
fluffypony: have you seen this?
fluffypony: http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html
ozbot: An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://thetruthwins.com/archives/scientists-discover-proof-that-humanity-is-getting-dumber-smaller-and-weaker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
pankkake: fluffypony: https://www.projecthoneypot.org/
fluffypony: tks pankkake, last played around with running a honeypot ages ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6026 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4103 @ 0.00002533 = 0.1039 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4005 @ 0.00002532 = 0.1014 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: https://anarchopapist.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/exit-and-escape-velocity/
benkay: "Though Bitcoin’s value is predominantly speculative at this point, a future in which Bitcoin obtains a high and stable value would allow the creation of new financial contracts and mechanisms; these new arrangements would leave regulations and regulated industries in the dust, left to fight over the tawdry remains of those yet unable to migrate to the internet of money or those unwilling (but soon dead)."
mircea_popescu: what, are we still in 2011 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00096862 = 11.4297 BTC [+]
benkay: "the future is here, it's just unevenly distributed."
benkay: i'm just highlighting people getting it.
benkay: uptake patterns are interesting etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 30650 @ 0.0000253 = 0.7754 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6346 @ 0.0000253 = 0.1606 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: yeah the flynn effect is reversing a little unfortunately. it's a race now, to advance technology to the point where we'll no longer need to advance it, before we can't do it anymore.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000966 = 20.0445 BTC [-] {2}
midnightmagic: (unless it's going to stabilize soon)
mircea_popescu: there's no "we"
mircea_popescu: there is no shared anything among people of different intelligence.
midnightmagic: lol @ weird article though, those aren't the reasons as I understood them.
midnightmagic: hah! that people-quiz thing is pretty awesome.
midnightmagic: We have a Canadian guy who goes down there and talks to Americans.. what's-his-face.. Rick Mercer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
asciilifeform: fuck flynn effect.
asciilifeform: dumbest myth there is
mircea_popescu: lol
midnightmagic shrugs.
midnightmagic: asciilifeform: You should update the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
asciilifeform: i'm a sp4mmz0r, remember
midnightmagic: You are?
asciilifeform: midnightmagic: yeah i was officially proclaimed a spamsock on pediwikia
asciilifeform: existing solely for the purpose of advancing mp's spammade
asciilifeform: or sumthinglikethat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00291347 = 0.1661 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096501 = 11.1941 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up multisignaturest
assbot: Voicing multisignaturest for 30 minutes.
multisignaturest: i have no idea what is going on
benkay: nor do any of us
multisignaturest: theres is a an assbot calling me out... something called a mircea+popescu saying !up
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/now-is-time-tomorrow-is-glory-ipo-people.307662/#msg6495740
ozbot: Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: can't tell if serious...
multisignaturest: HAHHAHAHAHH
multisignaturest: XD
multisignaturest: AWESOME
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: let's try...
asciilifeform: !up mircеа_рoреscu
assbot: Voicing mircеа_рoреscu for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: pass!
multisignaturest: !up mircеа_рoреscu
assbot: Insufficient rights, multisignaturest, !up yourself on PM first.
multisignaturest: !multisignaturestartup
mircea_popescu: wait wut
asciilifeform: magic.
benkay: ;;gettrust multisignaturetest
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturetest: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturetest | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturetest | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust multisignaturestartup
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user multisignaturestartup: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=multisignaturestartup | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=multisignaturestartup | Rated since: never
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
asciilifeform: lol!!!!
asciilifeform: exercise for alert reader.
Apocalyptic: the question is, can you down someone upped by assbot's L1 trust
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10894 @ 0.00096501 = 10.5128 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: damn, so that works without evil magic.
asciilifeform: nm
mike_c: Apocalyptic: no. kako has this thing working pretty well now.
asciilifeform: freenode is perfectly happy to eat homographs, though.
asciilifeform: which surprised me.
benkay: !up asciilifeform
assbot: Voicing asciilifeform without time-limit.
benkay: !down asciilifeform
assbot: benkay, you can't do that to asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: i think this used to work...?
mike_c: it used to work if you upped yourself
asciilifeform: aha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03048571 = 0.2134 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: http://i.imgur.com/ahtGcvQ.gif
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2001 @ 0.00015009 = 0.3003 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00089999 = 0.45 BTC [-]
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00532500 / 0.00583695 / 0.00739958 (639 shares, 3.72980913 BTC), 7D: 0.00532500 / 0.00698735 / 0.00750000 (2411 shares, 16.84651159 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00734936 / 0.00750000 (8205 shares, 60.30151159 BTC)
mike_c: looky there benkay
mike_c: back to 2po price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 650 @ 0.0009 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03625 = 0.3625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00096501 = 3.2328 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 230 @ 0.0009 = 0.207 BTC [+]
benkay: mike_c i'm trying to ship some goddamn software over here mkay?
benkay: quit distracting me with these scams.
mike_c: just ship and fix it later
benkay: sadly that is the pm's attitude on this project
benkay: "how about we don't do things the right way, saving ourselves maybe 800-1200 dollars that we'll need to spend correcting this bad decision in two weeks"
benkay: guy is classic penny wise and pound foolish
mike_c: good pm's are not common.
benkay: i was going to ask why some people are willing to spend more money to fix the bug their shitty prioritization imposes than doing it right in the first place and then i realized 'o yeah most people are stoopid monkeys'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25199 @ 0.00096781 = 24.3878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1515 @ 0.00015013 = 0.2274 BTC [+]
bounce: not everybody understands the implications of their priorisation decisions, or perhaps chooses to ignore them, or even thinks the overall {business,politics(!)} picture looks better
bounce: a valid question is why the guy made exactly these decisions and perhaps how whoever made him project manager came to that decision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401 @ 0.00096987 = 0.3889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07354182 = 0.2206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3949 @ 0.00096883 = 3.8259 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: bounce: he's one of those guys who seems to always prefer the quick hack over spending some time thinking about the problem.
mod6: ye ole bug in the tcp stack 'eh
mod6 rebuilds world
mod6: says that you could just: scrub in all fragment reassemble, but seems better to just patch and be done.
fluffypony: if you have scrub in all in pf you're already a-ok
mod6: yeah.
mod6: i always have that in my pf ruleset, but i need to rebuild anyway :)
mod6: does anyone else remember having to port PF in manually from obsd?
mod6: lol, then finally after like 10 years, fbsd merged it in as a kernel option you can build.
mod6: did anyone here ever use ipfw and feel that pain? i mean, it worked, but it was tricky with that match-first ruleset as opposed to the filtering and match-last system of PF.
mod6: plus then you get the added bonus of like altq+priq.
mod6: <3 PF
mircea_popescu: i kndalike ipfw
mod6: i always thought it was a pain to get it just right. once it worked, it worked good, i mean it did it's job. but i found it more painful for some reason than PF.
mod6: maybe its because i learned on ipfw tho.
mod6: and the first is always the hardest
mod6: :}
mircea_popescu: hehe
fluffypony: mod6: yeah, I remember pf being all the rage, and switching a couple of boxes from fbsd to obsd because I wanted to use pf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49969989 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news,
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p01/image/10.jpg
benkay: what a face
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p02/image/04.jpg
mircea_popescu: there, moar of her mug
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/05.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/05-2014/p05/image/12.jpg
mircea_popescu: should suffice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055002 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: ;;calc 0.2 / 0.0075
gribble: 26.6666666667
mike_c: 3po investors down 26%. go havelol!
mod6: benkay: yeah but just look at her ass!
mod6: nice rack too @_@
mircea_popescu: "On February 22, 2010, the company approached the city of Phoenix, Arizona with an offer of $10 million to rename the Sky Harbor Airport to Ashley Madison International Airport for a five-year period. Even though the city was in financial trouble, it rejected the offer."
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. uppity.
jurov: fluffypony i actually had to look to lulzbourse, if PISS is there.. but sadly, it's shopped
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03450066 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: mad shopping skillz
mircea_popescu: aww
fluffypony: "proslimbs_ink i am not irish. keep working maybe you find a potato. "
fluffypony: lol
jurov: http://cryptocoinstockexchange.com/ ... cuz bitcoinbourse is too short
ozbot: Crypto Coin Stock Exchange - The Wall Street of Crypto Coins
fluffypony: this guy is a machine
fluffypony: he pumps out shitty sites with IPO PDFs more often than I drink wine
fluffypony: and I drink a lot of wine
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=592132.0
ozbot: New Shares listing on Bitcoin Bourse "TCT" Truth Shares
moiety: lol fluffypony i could do with some wine today
mircea_popescu: is it the same dude ?
jurov: yes, markus
mircea_popescu: the brick head of the wall street of cryptostuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0345002 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03649999 = 0.146 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031 = 0.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.0045 = 0.261 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up Rulother
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 161 @ 0.00442232 = 0.712 BTC [-] {2}
Rulother: Thank you
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00440026 = 0.1012 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so
fluffypony: Have you heard about the Oscar Pistorius drinking game?
fluffypony: every time someone goes to the loo you take 4 shots
Naphex: i never understood drinking games
Naphex: just drink
Naphex: you thirsty, drink
mircea_popescu: ;;ident kakobrekla
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
Naphex: not drunk enough, drink
mircea_popescu: Naphex gotta get the girls drunk somehow.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, the sad case of deprived.
Naphex: hehe
mircea_popescu: had the man just been patient, something like mpif would have been exactly right for him. but instead... had to get involved with cypher-whatever it was.
mircea_popescu: ruined a reputation, lost a stash, either of these'd have been worth millions in the future.
Naphex: whom?
mircea_popescu: deprived.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.293 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014638 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/1hjnXfd.jpg
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014648 = 0.1465 BTC [+]
bounce: eh. so. uhm. advert banner: "a highly addictive FREE adult game" under some not-especially-well-done renders of nekkid chixx with pointy ears in leia-bra, sporting wings, or atop a unicorn. what'd they do, raid cghub and sell it as pr0n?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03400002 = 0.238 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0058 = 0.145 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's cghub
bounce: oh, looks closed down. wondered why things'd gone br0ked. anyhow, place for sharing 3d computer graphics models.
mircea_popescu: but like... 10 years ago no ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's fair to say he deprived himself from a successful future
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i guess so. sucks.
cgcardona_: good morning #bitcoin-assets o/
mircea_popescu: heya aussie.
fluffypony: cgcardona_:)
fluffypony: how goes it?
cgcardona_: good. just ordered some (admittedly low end) gear for my recording studio project
cgcardona_: https://gist.github.com/cgcardona/52fb48cb857fe8aec577 in case anyone is interested
ozbot: New gear for my Kauai music studio
cgcardona_: i just moved back to kauai from SF and sold all of my gear before I left the city
cgcardona_: so I'm starting over w/ some cheap gear just to get set up.
cgcardona_: how you doing? anything exciting happening?
jurov: MPIF is selling
jurov: !up Kushed
assbot: Voicing Kushed for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up Enky
assbot: Voicing Enky for 30 minutes.
bounce: what're you recording?
jurov: ???
cgcardona_: my personal music. Here are some of my older songs https://soundcloud.com/cgcardona
cgcardona_: but I'm working on a bunch of new stuff so that's why i ordered the gear
cgcardona_: do you play/record bounce ?
bounce recalls "doing internet radio" with a kick mike (nice and low response on the voices), homemade spit filter, a (PA) mixer panel, I forgot what for playing records, and, uh, a couple peecees for the recording and streaming. (winamp on w95 with encoder plugin to icy server on linux, then somethingorother for multicast)
bounce: used to do some band mixing when nominally a student, even did a quick course on it. was kinda fun.
cgcardona_: wow your internet radio setup sounds epic
mircea_popescu: !up supay
assbot: Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
supay: thanks for that
mircea_popescu: so who're you ?
bounce: the uplink was 64kbit ISDN back then. I think we split it out on a box on campus with 100Mbit, which was pretty good for ~2000. for (possibly fake, as in from the next room over the pabx) dialin we cut up an old "second ear" on a phone.
supay: mircea_popescu: Someone who wants to make a lot of money.
mircea_popescu: haha okay.
supay: I was told that I could learn a lot from this channel.
supay: So I thought I would watch, and learn.
supay: Who are you mircea_popescu?
cgcardona_: haha.
bounce: good question. :)
cgcardona_: def some wisdom around here for anyone who has ears to listen.
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust supay
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: im just this guy that keeps naming things after himself in a vain but ultimately doomed hope of surviving thusly.
cgcardona_: you'll lose voice+ after 30 minutes (is that how long it is?) and if you aren't in the wot you can't speak in here supay
cgcardona_: just fyi ^
supay: mircea_popescu: interesting.. looks like I can learn from this chan after all..
supay: cgcardona_: and how would get on the wot?
bounce: five hours old and a cloak. quick work. where're you from? your name's not jenkins by any chance?
supay: no it is not
cgcardona_: supay: here is the highlevel trilema post (sorry MP hope you don't mind me swooping on the link post) http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
supay: thank you cgcardona_
cgcardona_: that's a good place to start w/ the high level wotupwidit
cgcardona_: supay: no prob. :) glad to help. I can pass the newb crown to you
cgcardona_: :-D
kakobrekla: isnt dat link in the wiki :p
supay: :)
kakobrekla: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
kakobrekla: it is.
ozbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ links are made for sharing, like womenz.
cgcardona_: ha
supay: nice blog mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: $depth f.mpif
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: ['50000 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.0002151', '500 @ 0.0002151', '5000 @ 0.000215', '1400 @ 0.00021333']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['99600 @ 0.00021725', '990000 @ 0.00021726', '1000 @ 0.00024', '100000 @ 0.00029', '10000 @ 0.0004']
kakobrekla: anyway i still think you should hit the wiki first on your quest, supay .
mircea_popescu: ha!
cgcardona_: yea good advice. kakobrekla is a sage indeed.
supay: alright kakobrekla. will do.
bounce: (here's a herring)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: did you change the price for the new shares to 21726?
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah. see logz.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0728 = 0.1456 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07250035 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07220302 = 0.2888 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: !up ryepdx
assbot: Voicing ryepdx for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07131323 = 2.0681 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.0009712 = 4.079 BTC [+]
Naphex: /last mpif
thestringpuller: !last m f.mpif
assbot: Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+]
benkay: kakobrekla: assbot doesn't seem to like users not authed with the same WoT handle as their IRC nick.
kakobrekla: affirmative.
benkay: is there a workaround?
benkay: kinda unnecessary coupling of freenode and wot
kakobrekla: presently there is no workaround
benkay: !up ryepdx
assbot: Voice for ryepdx extended to 30 minutes.
benkay: ;;ident ryepdx
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ryepdx', with hostmask 'ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'rye', with GPG key id 680F5108B06DBB77, key fingerprint C901BFF645AF5CD06F58D724680F5108B06DBB77, and bitcoin address None
kakobrekla: except that you /nick back and forward for the voice operation
benkay: so nick to the wot nick and then nick back to your normal nick?
foobutts: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
kakobrekla: yea
thestringpuller: how do you do kitten laters?
thestringpuller: ;;kitten lasers
gribble: Error: "kitten" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ><
benkay: ryepdx: didja get kakobrekla's instructions?
benkay: nanotube: is there a way to trigger an authentication request from outside irc?
mircea_popescu: nah
supay: so if i just register on bitcoin-otc with a gpg key, I can continue chatting here?
mike_c: !up supay
assbot: Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: til the ;;lasers command
supay: thanks mike_c..
cgcardona_: supay: once you register someone will need to rate you. then you can chat here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03352746 = 0.1006 BTC [-]
supay: oh, damn.
supay: I don't have any btc to trade to get a rating.
kakobrekla: yes cock sucking time.
cgcardona_: lawl
kakobrekla: ops that came out loud
mike_c: not the only (or even the best) way to get rated
supay: lol
cgcardona_: supay: someone will usually rate a new person a 1 just for the purpose of v+ in here
supay: Oh, okay. Thats nice.
cgcardona_: then what you do w/ that ability to chat is up to you. at which point your wot score could plummet if you're a DB
kakobrekla: mostly depends on first n lines you type into this box
supay: cgcardona_: DB?
supay: kakobrekla: i understand..
cgcardona_: supay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db
kakobrekla: lemme guess, database
mike_c: ;;ud db
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=db | Diarrhea Bubble. There are 5 different classes of pure, 100% Db's. CLASS ONE- The regular Diarrhea Bubble that someone gets occasionally by eating ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: db
bounce: mssql? mysql? db2?
cgcardona_: ya know. If you abuse your v+ people will rate you -. That kinda thing.
cgcardona_: that's wot the wots all about
cgcardona_: at least partly wot it's about.
cgcardona_: bounce: mongoDB obviouslyt
supay: lol
cgcardona_: *obviously
asciilifeform: supay: i've never traded btc and people did rate me on some occasions.
bounce: nosql == nodb
asciilifeform: supay: do something useful for somebody.
supay: thats nice..
supay: yeah, okay.
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust supay
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
benkay: (DoucheBag for those not embedded in the prison)
fluffypony: bounce: you know Coinbase uses mongodb, right?
cgcardona_: gives you confidence doesn't it
fluffypony: so much
nanotube: benkay: nope, irc only.
fluffypony: eventual consistency is great
cgcardona_: acid huh?
fluffypony: in their case eventual = within two weeks
fluffypony: they should get together with BFL
kakobrekla: hi nanotube
nanotube: benkay: also, i see you're talking about irc nick and wot username differences - shouldn't be an issue, the output of 'ident' command includes wot username... so you have both pieces of info.
nanotube: hi kakobrekla :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2901 @ 0.0009712 = 2.8175 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yes that is not the issue
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 458.34, Best ask: 459.34, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 458.34, 24 hour volume: 10658.50942672, 24 hour low: 444.79, 24 hour high: 465.88, 24 hour vwap: 456.952838177
kakobrekla: the issue is that private !up would need to take in an argument.
kakobrekla: that would make the design of the whole thing less nice.
nanotube: kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
fluffypony: http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/sandisk-4-tb-optimus-ssd-lightning,1-1925.html <- the end of the spinning platter cometh
ozbot: SanDisk Announces 4TB SSDs, 8TB & 16TB SSDs to Follow
kakobrekla: hmm i think i had a good reason regarding that lemme think
asciilifeform: fluffypony: how many write cycles -per cell- now? 10?
nanotube: kakobrekla: then look at gettrust for the wot username...
asciilifeform: (the denser ssd gets, the more flimsy the actual storage cells are made)
asciilifeform: this fact is papered over by 'write-leveling'
kakobrekla: yes it would require 2 separate commands like you said
kakobrekla: then it could work.
kakobrekla: (on the assbot side)
fluffypony: asciilifeform: afaik the nand flash in those drives is ~3k writes per cell
cgcardona_: fluffypony: wow 16 TB.
cgcardona_: crazy
kakobrekla: but is it really a thing worth fixing ?
asciilifeform: 3k! pitiful
fluffypony: oh I got it wrong
fluffypony: eMLC NAND is 30k, not 3k
fluffypony: my bad
fluffypony: cMLD is only 5k, but I can live with that
rithm: isn't this sunlot dude coingenuity's old partner
nanotube: kakobrekla: bonus: do one command. gettrust [ident nick]
rithm: irc nick shaded
BingoBoingo: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/05/01/1656209/openbsd-55-released
ozbot: OpenBSD 5.5 Released - Slashdot
rithm: <nanotube> kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
rithm: ^ i have a feeling i wouldn't have to change nicks then
rithm: to voice myself
kakobrekla: too bad feelings dont write code
rithm: yukyukyuk
kakobrekla: nanotube hm yes that neat trick might do it, ill try it
rithm hands kakobrekla a cookie anyways
bounce: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/01/van-rompuy-says-europe-will-expand-without-public-backing
ozbot: Van Rompuy: If The Public Doesn't Want EU Expansion, 'We Do It Anyway'
kakobrekla hides cookie from mp
fluffypony: lol
bounce: how'd that work for mr [\\\]?
fluffypony: chocolate chip cookie?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00097119 = 4.6132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 5000 @ 0.00021725 = 1.0863 BTC [+]
jurov: you know how they do it? they repeat a referendum until they get Yes
bounce: everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it
fluffypony: bilateral gynandromorph (half male, half female) butterfly - http://i.imgur.com/TJAO9gJ.jpg
BigBitz: fluffypony !
BigBitz: Y U SO NASTY?
BigBitz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0
ozbot: [HAVELOCK] (Seedcoin SF2) Global Coin FX - UK HQ Virtual Currency Exchange
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: that wasn't nasty
BigBitz: :)
BingoBoingo: https://www.tunnelbear.com/
ozbot: TunnelBear
BingoBoingo: WTF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 143 @ 0.0058 = 0.8294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00097138 = 11.5109 BTC [+] {2}
dub: someone beat firefox with all kinds of ugly
fluffypony: dub: is that a statement or a request?
thestringpuller: i miss you dub
thestringpuller: where have you been?
thestringpuller: listening to the wub wub huh dub dub?
dub: indochina
dub: i been that nigger in a rice bowl waiting to pop a cap
BigBitz: Hmm.
rithm would see a nigger in a rice bowl for sure
csshih: o.o
jurov: >.>
kakobrekla: <.<
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096888 = 6.5399 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: csshih:)
fluffypony: my favourite lumen junkie
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/the-nba-wanted-to-kick-donald-sterling-out-of-the-leagu-1570505417
ozbot: The NBA Wanted To Kick Donald Sterling Out Of The League In 1982
csshih: is this the new cool kid hangout
BingoBoingo: of course
fluffypony: csshih: you know it
fluffypony: wherever assbot exists is, by definition, cool
kakobreklaa: thar.
kakobreklaa: benkay fixed
kakobreklaa: and whoever else was complaining
foobutts: sweet
benkay: ryepdx: you can now !up yourself
benkay: thanks kakobrekla!
kakobrekla: yw
benkay: hue hue hue was v. tempted to thank mp instead
kakobrekla: ...
asciilifeform: www.tunnelbear.com << typical honeypot. usg has a sense of humour (bears; honey)
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: I like that the honeypot is covered in Web 2.0MG hipster BBQ sauce
asciilifeform: one is almost tempted to write a generator for these promos
asciilifeform: complete with wsj, yahoo, macworld turds
BingoBoingo: Maybe use Russian Winnie the Pooh
asciilifeform: a la the faux cs conference paper gen
BingoBoingo: Would be an interesting thing to have out there.
asciilifeform: i always thought disney's looked... jaundiced.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, probably got hepatitis from shooting up with Rabbit
asciilifeform: betcha the nsa funding flag for tunnelbear is 'TUNNELRAT'
asciilifeform: (bonus for vietnam reference)
BingoBoingo: Or TUNNELSPIDER for the Saddam reference
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/drunk-nypd-officer-allegedly-shot-a-stranger-6-times-1570270148
ozbot: Drunk NYPD Officer Allegedly Shot a Stranger 6 Times
Anduck: !up supay
assbot: Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
supay: Could someone give me a +1 rep so I could chat here?
supay: oh
Anduck: supay: now u can talk for a while
supay: amazing timing
supay: I'm authed i guess..
supay: I'm asking for rating on bitcoin-otc
supay: so that I can continue talking here and learn a thing or two :)
BingoBoingo: supay: What do you do?
supay: Im a student.
asciilifeform: student of what?
supay: Computer Science
BingoBoingo: !up TurboS_911
assbot: Voicing TurboS_911 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Checkup
assbot: Voicing Checkup for 30 minutes.
bounce: computer science no science
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I'll start thinking about games
jurov: supay can you do some programming?
supay: jurov: Yes I can.
jurov: what kind?
kakobrekla: <h2>YES</h2>
bounce: dat programming
supay: lol
supay: Java mainly.
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/ooh-can-we-play-donetsk-or-nevada-please-1570268654
ozbot: Nevada Ranch Militias Turn Against Each Other Over Drone-Attack Theory
supay: But I am very familiar with C and C++.
bounce: just random ratings don't convey +v in here, by the by
supay: they dont?
BingoBoingo: supay: They need to some from the right people
supay: oic
supay: BingoBoingo: will you give me a +1?
BingoBoingo: supay: Not atm. If you do something that impresses people and provides benefit I might, of course other people might as well.
jurov: i can give some +1 for 5BTC or considerable coinbr volume >:D
BingoBoingo: supay: If you hang around idea for things that can be done appear quite frequently
supay: jurov: I'll give you 1doge. Interested?
bounce: how does "the price is right" work anyway?
supay: BingoBoingo: I get it. Good deal.
jurov: i don't even have a doggone wallet
supay: I do hope however that someone voices me every half-hour till I get some rating.
jurov: just a repellant stick on the laptop
supay: jurov: dogevault.com
benkay: ;;rate supay 1 ffs
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user supay has been recorded.
kakobrekla: yet jurov doge sticker on his lappy is 3 times the size of bitcoin sticker
jurov: and do you have something important to say?
bounce: pushover
supay: gee thanks benkay!
benkay: don't waste it.
kakobrekla: yes repellent, you said that.
kakobrekla: but does it work? imo it would attract newbs.
supay: benkay: no sir, I shall not!
jurov: i'll teach them the error of their ways
kakobrekla: big tasks you took upon yourself
kakobrekla: -s
supay: jurov: I wonder why you were asking me if I could code?
moiety: benkay you softy ;P
kakobrekla: he is, isnt he.
benkay: and now the channel is cleared of "plz someone +1 me!"
jurov: supay just checking, maybe you're usable :)
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot navhul-lacsup
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user navhul-lacsup: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=navhul-lacsup | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=navhul-lacsup | Rated since: never
benkay: !up navhul-lacsup
assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
benkay: h'lo, sub.
bounce: now everybody goes "pwease mistah benkay sir, can I haz ratings too?"
jurov: supay but since you did not mention some own pet projects, i abandoned that inquiry
supay: jurov: cool. do you code as well?
jurov: afaik yes
supay: jurov: pet projects?
supay: bounce: lol
bounce: robot chickens
supay: love them
jurov: when i was student, i maintained ziproxy.sourceforge.net
bounce likes it better when police aren't armed. apropos earlier paste.
jurov: i got some ridiculously positive responses for such lame http proxy server
supay: ah
supay: jurov: interesting project :)
bounce: little things please little minds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07999 = 0.16 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: what was that cartoon again? "make stuff work" on a unix and you're incomprehensible, thus ignored. make stuff work on windows and you're a god to be worshipped.
supay: lol
supay: shouldn't it be the other way around?
supay: I find unix more friendly than windows
fluffypony: I hate windows, but honestly unix is a piece of shit from a usability perspective
fluffypony: so few cli tools conform to norms, because why bother when you can just do it your way
supay: fluffypony: it wasn't really created for gui-addicts..
fluffypony: supay: I think you miss my point; I am far from a "gui-addict"
supay: oh, okay.
supay: It is difficult to use, most will agree with you on that.
jurov: prolly supay is still young and eager to scour manpages for some simple function
supay: nah, I just use google
benkay: why read man pages when you can just curl2sudo some ruby brogrammer's work?
fluffypony: lol
supay: lol :)
fluffypony: here
fluffypony: supay
fluffypony: http://xkcd.com/1168/
ozbot: xkcd: tar
fluffypony: after nearly 20 years of tar I still forget how to use it all the time
fluffypony: and I'm not talking about -cjvf and -xvf
supay: LMFAO
supay: so true
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> hmm i think i had a good reason regarding that lemme think << pwned.
bounce: what? tar tvf - is "a" valid tar command
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you know how they do it? they repeat a referendum until they get Yes << and then wonder why bitcoin doesn;t care what they think.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it << let's bet.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> hue hue hue was v. tempted to thank mp instead << DDDDOOOO ITTTT
bounce: how'd /you/ go about and "stop it"?
mircea_popescu: !up DoctorBTC
assbot: Voicing DoctorBTC without time-limit.
mircea_popescu: supay just read the logs, same thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15196 @ 0.00097197 = 14.7701 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate supay -1 let's not get carried away
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user supay has been recorded.
BigBitz: lol
benkay: that'd be the first counterrating.
benkay: ;;gettrust supay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user supay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: Thu May 1 18:06:55 2014
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot supay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: Thu May 1 18:06:55 2014
mircea_popescu: we get to test it at least.
benkay: hey supay, !up yourself on pm with assbot
pankkake: I think I remember ziproxy
benkay: all appears in order.
benkay: this asseteer in-production testing session is complete and.
benkay: ;;unrate supay
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for supay.
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate supay
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for supay.
benkay: !up supay
assbot: Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
benkay: many thanks to our hapless subject
supay: that was rude
benkay: you clearly don't understand the local manners.
supay: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00096624 = 16.3295 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no no the reason is good.
benkay: eveternoon, moiety
fluffypony: and noa
fluffypony: I sleep.
mircea_popescu: !up tradingloser
assbot: Voicing tradingloser for 30 minutes.
tradingloser: tesitng one 2 three
tradingloser: biuxww'
tradingloser: noice
benkay: loud n clear
tradingloser: anyone losing money on cryptostock and havelock. it's killing me
BingoBoingo: http://hasthewhaleexplodedyet.com/
ozbot: Has the whale exploded yet? - Untitled
mircea_popescu: tradingloser you gotta read the logs.
fluffypony: tradingloser: I don't use either
mike_c: tradingloser: if it makes you feel better, everyone who trades on those exchanges loses money.
mircea_popescu just checked stats, was blown away by last...4 days user count being ~above month avg~
tradingloser: okay.. so i guess im in a double whammy.. i suck at trading + on a site where people always lose money..
moiety: hey benkay, sorry laptop freaked out on me, how are you?
mircea_popescu: tradingloser they're called play exchanges for a reason.
tradingloser: yeah. im jsut here for trying to get some sympathy.
tradingloser: you're right though.
BingoBoingo: supay: You know what pretty much everyone here wants?
fluffypony: tradingloser: I love you
fluffypony: ^^sympathy
supay: BingoBoingo: what?
tradingloser: that's the most love I gotten since high school.
csshih: =]
fluffypony: ok seriously going to bed now, k thx bye
mircea_popescu: http://jimromenesko.com/2014/05/01/reporter-is-caught-writing-blah-blah-blah-blah-in-notebook-while-candidate-rambles-on/
ozbot: » Reporter is caught writing ‘blah blah blah blah’ in notebook while Senate candidate rambles
csshih: nite
mircea_popescu: check out the schoolchildren
tradingloser: buy pony
moiety: love == sympathy nao?
tradingloser: bye*
tradingloser: moiety, im no lawyer so I guess so.
BingoBoingo: supay: Well, more implementations of the Bitcoin protocol would be nice. Clean minimalist full node implementations like Conformal did with btcd.
supay: BingoBoingo: I see.. interesting.
benkay: moiety: hacking on the porch with the boys
benkay: it's a glorious day
benkay: we set a pile of paper on fire earlier
BingoBoingo: supay: C, LISP, Python.... Language doesn't much matter beyond the thing being suprememly readable and not garbage like bitcoind.
supay: with a lit match or a magnifying glass benkay ?
supay: BingoBoingo: Okay..
tradingloser: Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best.
jurov gaps
jurov: asps
jurov: gasps
moiety: benkay: did that paper deserve to die?
benkay: hey guys
benkay: compounding
benkay: but in the wrong direction, tradingloser
benkay: moiety: who knows. just got a shredder, shredded a pile, torched it.
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware <<tradingloser
ozbot: BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions
BingoBoingo: supay: If you don't want to wait for other ideas, looking at this thing could be instructive.
supay: BingoBoingo: I agree. Thanks, am looking into it atm.
moiety: benkay: sounds way better than my day
benkay: moiety: which was?
BingoBoingo: supay: Just prolly avoid doing the thing in C++, PHP, or Java if you do try it.
tradingloser: oh geez..
moiety: benkay: just don't feel like a got anything done today and i hate days like that
supay: Yes of course.. Python should be a better..
moiety: i*
mircea_popescu: <tradingloser> Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best. <<< ahahah
mircea_popescu: truely infinite hitpoints
BingoBoingo: supay: I know you mentioned Java is the main thing you've worked with. What other languages have you played with?
tradingloser: hopefully the multisig co and casino stock treats me bettter.
supay: BingoBoingo: I have maximum experience with Java. But my C and Python are pretty good too. Apart from that, I used to develop web apps. I'm great at the LAMP framework.
kakobrekla: tradingloser you should be thinking about breaking the cycle of bad decisions
bounce: how's your relational algebra?
BingoBoingo: supay: What kinds of things have you programmed in the past?
benkay: <supay> ... the LAMP framework. << o.O
supay: Desktop applications, mobile applications, websites. I have also done some penetration testing.
tradingloser: kakobrekla.. thats is the worst skill I have.
benkay: tradingloser: why aren't you happy to hold your coins yet?
kakobrekla: tradingloser stop then
tradingloser: greed + pissed off at neobeefuckheads..
tradingloser: yeah..
BingoBoingo: tradingloser: Have you considered if you can't just hold coins, betting them at BitBet?
kakobrekla: put your coins in cold storage and lurk here for half a year
kakobrekla: things will look better afterwards.
mircea_popescu: ^
tradingloser: Honestly, I lost like 88% so I just put it in some escrow verification company that just earns revenue ripping people
BingoBoingo: ...
pankkake: if anyone still cares: neobeeQ delisting the 5th
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0739125 = 0.2957 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: did the neobeeQ compliance officer ask for it ?
BingoBoingo: If you lose 88% at anything... How do you continue trying the same approaches that lost you the 88% without at least stopping to take a break?
pankkake: lel. havelock says they have no response whatsoever so that's the reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07060001 = 0.1412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03379403 = 0.2704 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so allegedly an alleged "compliance officer" that doesn't exist made a request (that doesn't exist) to suspend the trading of a supposed company with real assets that don't exist
mircea_popescu: and the exchange with the panama registration that doesn't exist complied
tradingloser: because i did that boring warren buffet thing where you know consistent revenue will come and you buy and hold for a long time. hopefully, multisignature is the future.
mircea_popescu: then re-opened trading, arbitrarily, on a new symbol, with new authority
BingoBoingo: tradingloser: That isn't the Buffet thing at all.
mircea_popescu: adn now are delisting the new symbol because... the inexistent officers of the inexistent company... failed to protest ?
mircea_popescu: did i get the story right here ?
mircea_popescu: ok this dude is too fucktarded
mircea_popescu: !down tradingloser
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems right
pankkake: I'm afraid so, I forgot about the first suspension
punkman: next message from Danny will read like this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/536830
mircea_popescu: i just had to pour myself a triple drink because well... my brain knotted.
benkay: wat indeed
mircea_popescu: "After the events of the last couple of days, we are very disappointed. The kickstarter Montrex project was to help build the Montrex brand. Ultimately, backers destroyed the brand and the reputation of the brand and its team."
mircea_popescu: dat team.
mircea_popescu: team gumpy. "we are not fly by night. no. no. no we're not. no. yes we are."
mircea_popescu: "Because of the damage incurred... Because of the fact that we are being called thieves and con-artists and frauds without having done anything wrong"
mircea_popescu: i love punkman links.
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 22k@223 8k@223 0k@220 | 2k@170 10k@155 53k@152
bounce: wtf was up with the montrex drama? get your kickstarter 8x oversubscribed and sue the backers? what?
mircea_popescu: bounce you don't understand. DEFAMATION.
bounce: no, no I don't understand. but I don't think I want to understand either. esp. since I'm all out of drink.
mircea_popescu: the famous derpfamation
BingoBoingo: !up supay
assbot: Voicing supay for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: he can up himself ya know
punkman: "We are sorry for those who have been damaged by this project, but you individually have definitely been damaged far less than we have been damaged. " < did btctalk come up with this yet?
supay: thank you BingoBoingo..
supay: kakobrekla: no i cant.
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot supay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask supay!~supay@unaffiliated/supay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user supay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=supay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=supay | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: hm benkay unrated him?
supay: e tok bak iz ratingz =(
bounce: supay: you gotten around to mastering relational algebra, seeing how you claim "lamp stack" familiarity?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00096567 = 9.8498 BTC [-]
supay: bounce: I am familiar with relational algebra yes, because I am in the sophomore year at my university and am studying RDBMS.
bounce: that's not a given, but good to know. which university?
supay: Manipal University.
mircea_popescu: punkman nop
mircea_popescu: "Manipal University is a name to reckon with not just in India, but the world over. "
mircea_popescu: o.O
BingoBoingo: supay: are you familiar with OpenBSD?
bounce: because ``Manipal, today, is a knowledge powerhouse and a brand name in higher education.''
bounce: just so you know. don't forget to reckon with manipal.
supay: BingoBoingo: Not very much tbh. I usually work on Debian, Ubuntu and Arch.
supay: bounce: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: why so belicose lol
jurov: supay if you "work" then you have something to show, no?
BingoBoingo: supay: If you wrote a guide to building Bitcoind 0.7 with the modifications to work on the right blockchain, on OpenBSD 5.5 I'd give you a plus one.
mircea_popescu: punkman https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/540696 << even better.
supay: wouldnt that be too much work BingoBoingo? :O
supay: jurov: you mean to ask me for samples of my work?
bounce: "truly unique" mass-produced thingies. marketeering at work.
BingoBoingo: supay: It's just building something that already exists. Less work than reimplementing the protocol.
supay: ah
supay: let me google that.
punkman: mircea_popescu: don't see anything there
bounce: clearly, you aren't a backer.
jurov: supay, such as, github stuff?
BingoBoingo: supay: Write a nice guide shoot it to me. I'll give you 0.01 BTC and a 1 rating on the WoT.
supay: supay: nope.
supay: BingoBoingo: sure! I'll give it a shot! :)
mircea_popescu: it's like... secret updates ?
mircea_popescu: wtf bs is that.
BingoBoingo: supay: If the like the guide I post it to my blog crediting you as the author and link to your WoT profile.
supay: That would be really nice.
supay: I'll get started right away.
punkman: their rebrand got $444,370 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/watchismo/xeriscope-the-orbiting-mechanical-automatic-watch
mircea_popescu: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/654887
ozbot: Montrex Watch Project - A Truly Unique Timepiece ( watches ) by Montrex Watches » re-branding updat
mircea_popescu: and one year later...
mircea_popescu: rebranding the successful brand that was utterly destroyed and etc.
BingoBoingo: supay: With OpenBSD remember to read the documentation before you install it. Also remember I want bitcoind 0.7, not the newer bullshit.
punkman: "This is the kind of stuff with which I have to deal due to the cyberbullying attacks on me.  The girl, Allison, who was supposed to start working here, today, was a no-call, no-show. "
mircea_popescu: usagi bit her.
supay: BingoBoingo: yeah, got it! :)
punkman: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/550182
BingoBoingo: Been a while since the Usagi name was invoked here.
ozbot: Montrex Watch Project - A Truly Unique Timepiece ( watches ) by Montrex Watches » No new assistant.
BingoBoingo: supay: Good deal.
supay: BingoBoingo: yes, and thanks! :)
mircea_popescu: punkman basically, this is the bitcoin mining "projects" 100%
bounce: did they deliver anything in the meantime?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: like you know, bfl.
bounce: other than more drama
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr got a watch.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: Did he SSH into the watch?
mircea_popescu: anyway, im making a post out of this.
punkman: mircea_popescu: some more then https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/542841
punkman: "But this time their cyberbullying campaign may have been a blessing in disguise. "
punkman: seems undecided
mircea_popescu: kik
bounce: "never been arrested [...etc.]" -- so far gotten away with teh scammin, eh
punkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy
ozbot: Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983
ozbot: Why Rich Lacrosse Parents Are Making Their Kids Repeat A Grade
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: competitive game
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: More parents Derping their kids to incompetence.
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: their wealth hath made them weak
bitcoinpete: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/939-election-results/
bitcoinpete: back to the polls cuz gotta have 52 votes lol
bitcoinpete: bobby lee and some dude named brock pierce at the top of "round 1"
bitcoinpete: industry seat...
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Of course it has, but I'm not sure calling it wealth is the right thing.
bounce: two industry seats. needs moar "none of the above"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0313999 = 0.2826 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: so brock pierce was in mighty ducks
bitcoinpete: and now runs angellist
bitcoinpete: is a "20x entrepreneur" lol
cazalla: don't forget IGE
bounce: in a way it's quite amazing people bet so heavily on "athletic scholarships"
bitcoinpete: cazalla: ige means something different to someone who took immunology...
BingoBoingo: I prefer TNF-A
bitcoinpete: bounce: spend hundreds of thousands for… a half that back. like a forum investment
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: can't go wrong there
bounce: maybe it has something to do with the well-known excreable state of middle management
BingoBoingo: bounce: It really is. Then again there is a huge difference between a poor kid from East St Louis pinning their hopes to an athletic scholarship and rich parents from DC doing the same.
bitcoinpete: http://globalnews.ca/news/1302902/bank-of-canada-not-worried-bitcoin-will-replace-cash/ <<just gold
ozbot: Bank of Canada not worried Bitcoin will replace cash - National | Globalnews.ca
bounce saw mention of a study or other that relatively way too many rich kids got scholarships. well, they can pay for the consultancies that know how to get 'em, can't they?
bounce: such system
mircea_popescu: ;;google always suspected were scams
gribble: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0>; Ten Things To Do When You Suspect Fraud at Your ... - Clark Nuber: <https://www.clarknuber.com/news/ResLib/10%20things%20to%20do_fraud%20article.pdf>; How to Know You Are Being Scammed in a Relationship: 7 Steps: <http://www.wikihow.com/Know-You-Are-Being- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: dude. srsly ?!
BingoBoingo: Nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03139991 = 0.3454 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: wired has been under embargo since bitgo: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/09/bitgo-multisig-a-stranger-his-friend-and-you/
mircea_popescu: i guess im slow.
bitcoinpete: only by 3 weeks :P
bounce: so that's 2-of-3 and they have one, and you have two? or what?
bounce: it's still browser-based, so it has all the problems mega has.
midnightmagic: :-(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 12000 @ 0.00002002 = 0.2402 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: bounce: at best it's browser-based. at worst, as kanzure mentioned in the comments, they're full of shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
bounce: assuming they're not, for the sake of argument, it's maybe not a bad design decision to have "the user" store something useless on its own, but useful in combination with the website OR in combination with the backup key the user stuck in his safe deposit box
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/BTCElevator
ozbot: BTC Elevator (BTCElevator) on Twitter
kakobrekla: lol i didnt know we had btc elevator
bounce: as in, safer than a straight-up webwallet and more convenient than cold storage. as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all
bitcoinpete: bounce: but that's the exact same as a normal back-up with bc/info or a desktop client
bitcoinpete: bounce: there was a market for gox and bfl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
bounce: sure. so if you produce a marginally safer thing and manage to have the crowd flock there you've improved overal security, however marginally
kakobrekla: unfortunately the thing is not too funny.
bounce: and, hm, assuming the in-browser problems are manageable you get a more convenient thingy than either a webwallet or a desktop client; can keep the user-hot key in, say, a webmail account somewhere without exposing yourself through the webmail account directly (unless the password is also in there)
bitcoinpete: bounce: creating a big phat target