cazalla: you and your smarmy comments BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I know. I learned comments from kakobrekla. By this time next year my soul may too become slanderous.
b00lcrap: Mr.P how is life in the southern hemisphere
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
kakobrekla: looks like someone from bitwin discovered bitbet comments and figured out the math
b00lcrap: can u tell me why someone hates bitcoin-assets so much they wish to ddos whoever joins?
mircea_popescu: this means they don't have to make sense, or even consider their actions.
b00lcrap: is that why there is so much black people crime in america
BingoBoingo: b00lcrap: Don't forget methed up white people and hardworking shades of brown in between.
decimation: I'm not sure welfare is the proximate cause for black violence
b00lcrap: you know i was watching the notebook last night and i thought wow, people were so civilized in the 50's. then i thought what culture changing event could have possibly happened to cause all of this fuckedupness.
b00lcrap: then i realized, it was the integration that happened in the 60s
cazalla: you need to check that white privilege b00lcrap
b00lcrap: im not saying all black people are like that ofc not
cazalla: i think i'll take my own privilege down the bottlo and get another bottle of sambuca seeing all is quiet on the news front and BingoBoingo has taken to trolling the readers
b00lcrap: well i guess i kind of did just say they destroyed america.
decimation: b00lcrap: black people didn't destroy america, the cultural marxists who infantilized blacks and waged war on regular working people did
b00lcrap: hold on your words are too big let me google that before i respond
decimation: the 'long march through the institutions' - ever hierarchy was ripped down and replaced with a communist bureaucracy
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Not the readers, just certain sorts of commenters.
b00lcrap: hey mircea_popescu i was curious about something, does santa still ride a sliegh down there ?
b00lcrap: in the southern hemisphere where its summer ( mostly )
mircea_popescu: oh. they were preparing the weirdest nativity scenes earlier, with like palsm and camels and shit.
BingoBoingo: I thought in the Southern Hemisphere they just got all Krampus and no Santa
b00lcrap: well camels makes sense i suppose
b00lcrap: i just learned about krampujs last week
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joecool: learned about zwarte piet from the -otc channel the other day
BingoBoingo: In the event I father children that I stay around to raise, "Red Sleigh Down" is going to be the official Jesus/Santa story relayed to them.
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cazalla: nuva plane going missing, air asia this time, fkn putin wtf bro
cazalla: fuck that, rather take a boat
cazalla: not too fussed on flying myself, last time coming in to sydney from perth, was in for some chop, 5 by 5
cazalla: missus is already trying to organise some disney land belly of beast bullshit a few years time to go to america, fuck thaaat
cazalla: well 1) they wouldn't let me in anyway, persona no grata 2) fucked if i would let her take my son into that viper pit without me
cazalla: all this in the name of disney 'everything is made in china' world
ben_vulpes: you're just letting her carry on with the disney fandom?
ben_vulpes: "but they set such bad role models for young girls!"
ben_vulpes: "and just look at gaston! you know the guy's a date rapist."
cazalla: bah, it was her friend's idea and for 2018-2019 once they are older
cazalla: surely bitcoin is more established by then that i don't have to backhand her on the idea
cazalla: all this drama is on account of one of her friends currently en route to ussa and her crying that she has a kid, can't do shit atm
ben_vulpes: if you don't say anything now she's going to take it as tacit agreement.
cazalla: stop urging me to beat her ben_vulpes
cazalla: that shit gets you arrested and your mug shot in the media here, parade around as hitler himself, god forbid you beat your wife
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ben_vulpes: a raised eyebrow should be enough for that disneyland nonsense
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ben_vulpes: beatings are for babes who buy into bdsm
cazalla: not really a beating then eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.0006757 = 22.5684 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there are serious beatings and playful beatings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1481 @ 0.001193 = 1.7668 BTC [+]
cazalla: nah, sounds a bit gay to ask another man about his proclivities
cazalla: anyway, missus will learn soon enough that the opportunity to go america, live the quiet life is long gone
cazalla: the fuck do i know, had another bottle of sambuca this arvo
cazalla: no news so what else can i do
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Vexual: qntra got any writings on bitpay?
Vexual: Makes me wonder if there was anything worth reading un the times of cypress when neo ran their ads
Vexual: I accidentally encountered the cunts whilst blazingly drunk over xmas
Vexual: pretty good, how was yours?
Vexual: my gracious host seemingly ran out of booze and patience around the same time
cazalla: was ok, nice lunch, home and booze, zzz
cazalla: much like i need to go zzz now, polished off a bottle of sambuca again
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HeySteve: Qntra seems to be taking off nicely
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HeySteve: cool. was thinking of contributing when I get some more time
HeySteve: great, once I wrap up some projects I'd like to get into covering Bitcoin news again
BingoBoingo: Having more people contribute regulaly would be a huge help
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cazalla: thestringpuller, what's up
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015"
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ben_vulpes: i'm listening to lady v talk her mother into buying things with a credit card online.
ben_vulpes: mom-in-law totally gets it "how does it make any sense to give the magic numbers that grant access to my money to other people?"
ben_vulpes: baby doll: "well you see you can call your cc provider up and they'll reverse the transaction for you!"
adlai: ben_vulpes: "We argue that the vigorous growth in bitcoin value in the past 18–24 months has been accompanied by almost unchanged daily variance of the exchange rate once the variance
adlai: calculations account for the changing exchange rate level. this observation merits further analysis. For example, such stable exchange rate variance could in principle be the result of activities by parties interested in the stability and trustworthiness of the system"
adlai: ie, there's not just a growth in userbase/demand, there's also a growth in financial actors profiting from arbitrage, market making, etc
adlai: ie, they're onto me!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4800 @ 0.00117777 = 5.6533 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: however - i'd argue that there's plenty room for more "smart" money to enter this business of bitcoin-stabilization, assuming that there's plenty more latent demand, just beginning to wake up
adlai discussed this paper with the dad over the dinner. the dad suggested that demand could increase independently of increases in the userbase, which is correct. clever dad!
decimation: adlai: how does one arbitrage between exchanges when it takes days to settle between them?
adlai: a more precise answer might be "statistically"
decimation: I guess you don't need to 'physically' settle a transaction to close your position
decimation: if you are in the us, don't you owe ordinary income tax on every gain you make?
decimation: adlai: have you used the 'netagio' exchange?
decimation: I've mentioned it a couple of times here. I'm interested because it's somehow owned/related to the goldmoney guy
adlai: no assbot, that tag is titled "What is a maker-taker model?"
decimation: yeah I thought you might find that interesting
decimation: unfortunately it's all in GBP instead of USD
decimation: so one would have to do another transaction if one's fiat is USD
adlai: "The more information you give us about yourself, the more you will be able to do, and the more you verify yourself with us, the lower your transaction limits will be." I'm liking it a little less now.
decimation: the way I see it, it's going to be pretty hard to avoid kyc/aml if you want to deal in fiat
decimation: take the king's shekels/take the king's shackles
adlai: wtf. are they lurking here? all I did was register an account, and I already get flagged as a "Potentially Dangerous Request"
decimation: no idea. it would be amusing if they did
thestringpuller: adlai: finally, an exchange that likes liquidity! << yet they don't post volume?
adlai: it's also worryingly difficult to find daily/monthly volume... shouldn't this number be prominently displayed on any exchange's landing page?
decimation: ah they now offer bitcoin/eur bitcoin/usd books
decimation: a year ago they advertise direct exchange to gold
decimation: but I think goldmoney shut down their 'user-to-user' gold exchange
adlai: be as paranoid as you like about KYC/AML, but at least offer dummy API access for developers
adlai: that way when a non-terrorist comes along, they can use terrorist-provided software, and all will be right in the jungle
decimation: surely one can connect to the order book api and determine the number of bids/asks
decimation: adlai: are there any introductory texts for creating trading algorithms?
adlai: not that i'm aware of; although people have been running trading algorithms in their head for hundreds of years, so really any text on trading is a text on trading algorithms.
decimation: I suppose it all boils down to arbitrage, either in time or space
adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there
adlai: the relevant parts are II-IV, maybe V and VI too; tl;dr: market making is time-shifted arbitrage & money is fungible gratitude
decimation: eh, I'm not sure I buy the moral implications of trade thing
decimation: If there anything immoral happening w.r.t. money, it's the free printing of it to benefit the few
decimation: it's an easy scheme to thieve from common folks
adlai: that article doesn't say much of anything about money printing
decimation: right, but it says an awful lot about the morality of trading money for things
adlai: uh: "Instead, the point is that earning money is, in general, something to celebrate, not feel guilty about."
decimation: right, so what about gaining unearned money?
adlai: my main takeaway from that article is that moral judgements have to be made in the context of the entire "game" where a trade took place, rather than in the context of the trade alone
adlai: gaining unearned money by printing? this devalues the already-printed notes, so you have to ask who are the noteholders getting fucked by your press
adlai: this is probably quite the echo chamber for complaints about money printing :)
adlai: i mean, it's right there in the name of the channel... TWICE
decimation: on the other hand, 99.999% of the world doesn't see it as a problem at all, and a good portion of them also see it as a government's duty
adlai: 99% of this channel doesn't see my roommate's atrocious dishwashing habits, or lack thereof, as a problem - because they're not aware of them.
decimation: adlai: imagine what would be required to start 'raising awareness' of the morality of printing money
decimation: one must immediately become the enemy of every fiat-supported institution that exists
adlai: fortunately, the scope of interactions with the typical modern fiat institution isn't limited to "friend or enemy"
adlai: there's a palestinian MK who believes that israel should be a people's democracy, rather than a jewish democracy. is he running the risk of not getting reelected? yes. will he get executed by government order? probably not.
decimation: true, the continued existence of bitcoin demonstrates that
adlai: "fiat" also is older than "fiat currency"
adlai: and will happily survive once fiat currency is long dead and forgotten, because might makes right, however sick and twisted that may be.
decimation: which is why we live in the age of usd in the first place, the 'allies' in wwii still dominate the world to some degree
decimation: although it seems that degree decreases every year
adlai: bitcoin being completely fucking useless actually makes it an excellent currency, in this sense - the only thing you can do with it is give it to another "person", optionally in return for something else.