assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00062085 = 4.0045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00062085 = 15.1177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00063289 = 6.1074 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45350 @ 0.00061834 = 28.0417 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2014 05:25:17; asciilifeform: there is, for instance, a legend of an occasion where it was necessary to move several $mil in dollars out of the ussr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7055 @ 0.0006202 = 4.3755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0006202 = 19.8464 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, bitcoin would be how this would be accomplished today (assuming sufficient anonymization of transactions)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36561 @ 0.00061012 = 22.3066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00062613 = 16.6551 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: thestringpuller, nah, didn't even ask to go for a drink, fkn canadians eh
cazalla: he comes to australia, shits all over our costco monuments and leaves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28432 @ 0.0006335 = 18.0117 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00063886 = 9.1676 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00063568 = 14.0167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00061779 = 26.6885 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00064 = 9.184 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "i accept bitcoin with my personal toolchain:
ben_vulpes: too many pretty girls and too many pretty wilamette valley wines
BingoBoingo: It happens. I'm just surprised it was such a good football game.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00063329 = 34.3243 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7402 @ 0.00064 = 4.7373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30829 @ 0.00064304 = 19.8243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11339 @ 0.00062249 = 7.0584 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: have you heard of a book called metro 2033?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.0011851 = 4.7404 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The Bitcoin Bowl field looks like it was pissed on by a giant dog.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00064933 = 14.4151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13610 @ 0.00065217 = 8.876 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00064526 = 20.6806 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: gravesam327 comments on [Game Thread] Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl: North Carolina State @ UCF (8:00 PM ET) ... (
http://bit.ly/1H4hWOE )
BingoBoingo: "Damn it why couldn't this have been sponsored by Dogecoin? Can you imagine the amazing midfield logo?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18923 @ 0.00061648 = 11.6657 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0006355 = 21.7977 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00061964 = 30.5483 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00061964 = 7.9004 BTC [-]
mats: www.aljazeera.com/story/2014122743653714626
BingoBoingo: I don't think the word the mean to use was "shape"...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00062211 = 14.6818 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00061008 = 12.5066 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24591 @ 0.00064897 = 15.9588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3078 @ 0.00066019 = 2.0321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00066236 = 2.8813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19452 @ 0.00066019 = 12.842 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36486 @ 0.00066251 = 24.1723 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00066507 = 14.3323 BTC [+]
assbot: FBI — High-Frequency Trader Indicted for Manipulating Commodities Futures Markets in First Federal Prosecution for Spoofing ... (
http://bit.ly/1CNG34t )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74502 @ 0.00065397 = 48.7221 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: "It was illegal for traders to place orders in the form of “bids” to buy or “offers” to sell a futures contract with the intent to cancel the bid or offer before execution." <- wat
ben_vulpes: watch out Adlai, you're in their crosshairs now.
Adlai: scalpl executes approximately 0.1% of the orders it places, i guess i'm fucked
ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy
ben_vulpes: although it's right in line with the bitcoin 'no backsies' ethos.
Adlai: a saner approach (and probably what the relevant laws actually say, rather than this trite simplification) is that some amount of time has to elapse between placement and cancellation, perhaps measured on the "volume clock"
ben_vulpes: the wallets notion is actually dangerous to noob minds. how is anyone ever supposed to get a decent comprehensive understanding of bitcoin if it's behavior is wrapped up in this pernicious notion of wallets?
ben_vulpes: it makes some amount of sense in a pre blockchain explorer world i suppose: 'how is one supposed to know what transactions are available for spending?' 'listunspent, oh noob'.
joecool: o hey one of my sites apparently was ddos'ing trilema
kakobrekla: >Maybe MPEx should offer end-to-end quantum access to the engine, enabling users to submit orders with precisely defined wavefunction, instead of pretending above behavior is a bug and trying to fix it in vain or rationalize it backwardly. < lol
joecool: so is there a new sploit in the wild doing reflection attacks with wordpress? we got a pingback from trilema but we don't have it showing up in our logs (and we don't show up in the ones trilema posted)
joecool: well it's not like i haven't been around here before, you know?
thestringpuller: yea but I had an intense dream about snoopy and vince guaraldi, and then the second I log in your name is the first one i see on the stack
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1475 @ 0.00118999 = 1.7552 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.0006535 = 14.9652 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00066643 = 18.5268 BTC [+] {4}
assbot:
https://t.co/Ous275BdJ1 is now online! NEWEST bitcoin HYIP! Already $20USD invested in less than 2 hours of launch! /hashtag/hyip?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/invest?src=hash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00066938 = 23.8634 BTC [+] {3}
Azelphur: can I reply to that with the wikipedia article explaining that a HYIP is a ponzi scheme
Azelphur: I did it, I'm curious to see how mad whoever it is gets. :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33024 @ 0.00067033 = 22.137 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: on the topic of "can irrational numbers that are powers of rational numbers be written out as polynomes with rational parameters"
ben_vulpes: discovered that 0.5.3 doesn't have the create/sign raw transaction facilities :(
ben_vulpes: oh yeah the moviefication of the pynchon novel inherent vice releases next week.
mircea_popescu: importprivkey is trivial tho, just not supported by the gui or w/e
mircea_popescu: people had been building "wallet tools" as a bundle in parallel which eventually got merged into bitcoind sometime around early 2012
mircea_popescu: prolly would have been better if they actually became an independent project and continued separately, but beggars/
ben_vulpes: i'm of the opinion that facilities for btc handling beyond creating and signing raw transactions are entirely unnecessary.
ben_vulpes: not fundation policy by any stretch of the imagination, just my opinion at this point in time.
ben_vulpes: yeah, why not? or check any of the myriad blockchain explorers.
mircea_popescu: at the very least you need a safe enumerator of pubkeys.
mircea_popescu: once you do that, idiocy like bitcoind does with "accounts" and whatnot is a tempting step away
ben_vulpes: plus the whole "sendto" paradigm provides the opportunity for downright nefarious behavior like sending change to random addresses.
ben_vulpes: anyways we're talking reference implementation, not wallet for noobs.
mircea_popescu: more aptly put, if that's nefarious why do we even think bitcoin makes sense.
ben_vulpes: the wallet model provides cover for the "no address reuse" hooliganry.
ben_vulpes: the implicit "pull new key out of keypool (creating new keypair if keypool is exhausted), send all spare coins beyond the explicitly specified mining fee to this new keypair" routine.
ben_vulpes: maybe i'm getting cranky, but the "specify all important outputs, remainder is for the miners" behavior of transaction processing should never have been papered over.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4242 @ 0.00067036 = 2.8437 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im not so sure that predictable behaviour is actually ideal.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "create 6 new addresses, split change on any tx among these 6, usingthe same number of nonzero digits as the payment"
mircea_popescu: so a 3.7566 payment out of a 3.9 btc balance becomes 3.7566 0.0992 etc
ben_vulpes: someone could even write a script that takes an input, a config file, and a desired output to cook up the desired transaction.
ben_vulpes: which then gets signed by bitcoin, given the relevant privkey.
mircea_popescu: too many unsafe on weak entropy systems. then again, whith a good entropy source, 256 or 65536 could be the default.
mircea_popescu: with a 64k list one would have the following problem : the tree of following transactions 4 bits removed is... 64bit.
ben_vulpes: anyways the point i'm trying to make is that desired wallet behavior is entirely orthogonal to a thing that "bitcoinates".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00065979 = 3.0674 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: the fewer things that are included in the notion of bitcoinating, the easier it'll be for nubbins` to print and asciilifeform to read.
joecool: mircea_popescu: hey, one of my sites got a pingback from trilema on christmas saying it was affected by the pingback ddos, is this still an issue in current wordpress? xmlrpc looks substantially rewritten since we initially worked around this
mircea_popescu: be so kind to leave a comment once you fix it, it'll encourage other people to do the same i believe.
joecool: mircea_popescu: thanks, we'll make a post directing to the information too