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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.020005 = 0.16 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
KRS1: hah https://zerogox.com
twizt: no bullshit
twizt: lol
twizt: prolly lotta bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00345 = 0.1173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00090778 = 5.7644 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34625 = 1.385 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23362 @ 0.00090942 = 21.2459 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00090732 = 10.9786 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00090695 = 7.8905 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00090656 = 6.3124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0000989 = 0.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8421 @ 0.00009899 = 0.8336 BTC [+]
jborkl: http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/02/kanye-west-now-has-his-own-cryptocurrency-and-its-called-coinye-west/
ozbot: Kanye West Cryptocurrency Coinye West Like Bitcoin | TIME.com
jborkl: :(
TomServo: Wasn't a bet on this topic being discussed just a few hours ago?
TomServo: jurov | aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"
TomServo: oh man. that's too good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00090666 = 6.9668 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: of course... there's absolutely no relation between the two
asciilifeform: big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.0009063 = 6.8426 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (re: 'zerogox')
mircea_popescu: im sure this must have already happened
mircea_popescu: all the "magic trading profits bot" stuff on the forum going on for 1+ years by now ? there's no way it hasn't.
KRS1: zerogox.com ...seems legit
KRS1: where do i sign up
KRS1: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090889 = 10.4522 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: *sniff* Cartier cologne reminds me of lemons
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
testingUnoDosTre: How many BTC can I get for a snickers?
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre wrong year.
testingUnoDosTre: femtoBTC?
testingUnoDosTre: mircea, I did not expect you to be alive in this thread, being my first time here
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1534397/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 1 ✂︎
testingUnoDosTre: scratch that thought, I was sent here from your twitter page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00090596 = 12.5022 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: there is no ctrl-z on irc
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a, you the reddit guy ?
kakobrekla: unlike forums, twitters, facebooks and skypes
testingUnoDosTre: No, I try to stay far away from reddit. Used to frequent battle.net though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's interesting. anyway, welcome. there's about 1mn btc represented here, tho most people are not nearly as verbose as me.
mircea_popescu: your essential reading, other than the channel log, is modestly http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ and perhaps http://trilema.com/category/mpex/
testingUnoDosTre: Yes, your websites are far greater reads than the bitcointalk subforums
mircea_popescu: i should hope so :D
Duffer1: reading bitcointalk is a lot like digging for gold in a sewer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lame bots that merely lift wallets don't count
asciilifeform: gotta bomb the market, induce oscillatory panics, other fun.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
kakobrekla: this?
kakobrekla: must be extra easy
asciilifeform: right
the20year1: Concerning most assets on mpex, what's the average issuer equity in the stock?
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because bitcoin is so fragile one man and his genius can fuck it all up.
mircea_popescu: wrong year all over again
asciilifeform: no need to fuck it all up, any more than one nuke needs to demolish a whole planet to be worth setting off...
testingUnoDosTre: I would love to see some of the originally mined bitcoins moved around, just to see some reaction by the market.
the20year1: Why do you think there would be reactioon?
kakobrekla: there was a huge spike in bitcoin days destroyed
kakobrekla: couple of days ago
kakobrekla: maybe a week?
asciilifeform: testingUnoDosTre: there was a rumory mubling that a few 100K of circa-2010 (?) coins moved, but no one linked to hard data.
kakobrekla: and guess what, we are still here
testingUnoDosTre: Isn't there about 1 million coins in some of the original accounts?
the20year1: It's around there
mircea_popescu: a little under that
testingUnoDosTre: or sum*
the20year1: there's half a million coins in accounts from 2009 that are from early miners, no movement
kakobrekla: i guess about same amount is alo lost.
kakobrekla: also
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wasn't that the reddit guru what's his name, fantomas or something doing a max keiser ?
asciilifeform: traditional belief seems to be that 'they lost their hdd'
the20year1: only 50% of all created bitcoins have moved
the20year1: I wish I lost my HD in 2010, instead I got hacked
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont have any info on that
testingUnoDosTre: and what's the total US federal government ownership, 150k?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0029827 = 0.5518 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a little over that by now
asciilifeform: not counting der fuhrer's miners?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35000 @ 0.001 = 35 BTC
testingUnoDosTre: that will probably go down as the most profitable asset ever seized by the US govt
asciilifeform: i'll break out some evil rumor right here now:
asciilifeform: there are tor exits silently pumping ascii through 'sed' or the like, slipping 'friendly' btc addrs in place of originals. ☟︎
asciilifeform: not naming names.
asciilifeform: take it with a grain of whatever.
kakobrekla: yeah, well there was a desktop version of such malware which would replace the address once you put one valid in clipboard
asciilifeform: people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps
kakobrekla: i have tiny unencrypted wallet on my win laptop.
kakobrekla: i bet its the first to go in case of shit.
mircea_popescu: no they shouldn't.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea what a pump costs ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point
mircea_popescu: let them buy their own propane canisters or w/e
mircea_popescu: and go camping
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'if (total < 1.0) exit(0)'
kakobrekla: its more than 1 and less than 10
kakobrekla: but yeah
the20year1: I wish i would have known the valnerabilities of the bitcoin client and XP when I first got interested in btc
kakobrekla: i know what you are saying
kakobrekla: but who will turn down the change
kakobrekla: in reality, noone
kakobrekla: except the change that is hard to get off
kakobrekla: because of tx fees
kakobrekla: [this happpend before]
asciilifeform: this is why i don't really have any ill-will for crapware artists. they should be seen as educators.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8134 @ 0.00090573 = 7.3672 BTC [-] {2}
testingUnoDosTre: you're saying its much more hard to keep btc safe on windows?
kakobrekla: windows is like open lobby
kakobrekla: if they are safe there, there is a good chance they are safe elsewhere :)
testingUnoDosTre: you lost my on open lobby, is that some xbox reference?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00298886 = 0.3557 BTC [+] {3}
testingUnoDosTre: couldn't I be just as damaging on linux while dealing btc as with windows?
kakobrekla: you? maybe. me? no.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 385 @ 0.001 = 0.385 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.353999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00090715 = 5.1708 BTC [+]
mod6: (19:17) < asciilifeform> people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps << lol
kakobrekla: you know
kakobrekla: smoking at petrol pump is not as dangerous as it sounds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22402 @ 0.00090743 = 20.3282 BTC [+] {4}
testingUnoDosTre: mircea, can you expound on your Marie Antoinette post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091001 = 12.5581 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: um
mircea_popescu: what's to expound
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you seen those "try and light this gasoline with this ciggarete" things ?
kakobrekla: well dunno what i saw, i just know its not really easy
kakobrekla: besides, theres no bangs coming from bosnia, serbia ...
kakobrekla: and they do have petrol stations there, i know that for a fact.
testingUnoDosTre: Well at first, it touches on social revolutions in a negative light.Then the article seems to talk about revolution of self towards the end
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02188996 = 0.4597 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i think the point was 'kill yourself because nothing you do matters'
Duffer1: at least, that's what i took from it
Duffer1: don't read too much into it man :P
kakobrekla: yeah, or you will end up smoking ciggs on petrol stations.
Duffer1: or wishing you were a lone young chick on a train...
testingUnoDosTre: we only have petrol-corn stations in the US now
kakobrekla: so you end up with a lot of popcorn if the thing goes bang?
testingUnoDosTre: yummy
the20year1: not all stations are gas-corn
testingUnoDosTre: you must not live in the Midwest?
the20year1: I do , i was assuming you were talking about e85 stations
testingUnoDosTre: No, I thought that everyone was slipping in under 10% lately
testingUnoDosTre: could definitely be wrong though
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it;s true that gasoline as a liquid will not catch on fire
mircea_popescu: but happily extinguish your ciggarette, like water.
mircea_popescu: as a vapor however...
kakobrekla: yep
kakobrekla: but as vapor you need the right mixture
kakobrekla: also im not sure if a lit cigg will do for vapor
mircea_popescu: to explode. it will burn at pretty much any concentration
kakobrekla: i think you need open light
mircea_popescu: arguably some combos are not too visible
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre it's a film. you seen it ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well... if panacea ever goes negative you can do some experiments :D
testingUnoDosTre: I thought the post was touching more on history than the movie. I did understand that it was a film, but no I have not seen it.
mircea_popescu: try it sometime. the missus will love you for it.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu im sure there will be negative months, but i would dissolve way before negative nav
kakobrekla: so i think someone else will have to to the experiments
kakobrekla: perhaps write to alberto armandi
kakobrekla: and LEAVE MY ALBERTO ALONE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35399597 = 1.77 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1182 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029889 = 0.5858 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298952 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 260 @ 0.001 = 0.26 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00090536 = 7.0165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30430 @ 0.00091137 = 27.733 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091488 = 14.0892 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15186 @ 0.0009093 = 13.8086 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.354 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1900 @ 0.001 = 1.9 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00090882 = 1.7268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3080 @ 0.00090882 = 2.7992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00090953 = 8.3677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00091294 = 15.8395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.09351428 = 0.6546 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.10261144 = 1.3339 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35399999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.35399999 = 0.708 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.354 = 1.77 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: www.snapchatdb.info
kakobrekla: also rofl @ Contact us via Bitmessage
kakobrekla: its a cool story
dub: bro
KRS1: wtf how can they do this haha
KRS1: i mean wouldnt snapchat want this taken offline
kakobrekla: http://www.zdnet.com/snapchat-names-aliases-and-phone-numbers-obtainable-via-android-api-say-researchers-7000019992/
ozbot: Snapchat names, aliases and phone numbers obtainable via Android and iOS APIs, say researchers | ZDN
kakobrekla: http://gibsonsec.org/snapchat/fulldisclosure/
kakobrekla: http://www.zdnet.com/researchers-publish-snapchat-code-allowing-phone-number-matching-after-exploit-disclosures-ignored-7000024629/
ozbot: Researchers publish Snapchat code allowing phone number matching after exploit disclosures ignored |
kakobrekla: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6083812
ozbot: Ask HN: Take down my reverse-engineered Snapchat lib because they asked? | Hacker News
kakobrekla: http://blog.snapchat.com/post/71353347590/finding-friends-with-phone-numbers
ozbot: Snapchat - Finding Friends with Phone Numbers
kakobrekla: full story.
KRS1: i didnt mean 'how' exactly but how come this hasnt been taken offline...data this good doesnt usually last long
KRS1: i love it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.354 = 6.726 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 131 @ 0.00189937 = 0.2488 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.354 = 1.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.35428124 = 5.6685 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.35816359 = 9.3123 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15736 @ 0.00091047 = 14.3272 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.365 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3150 @ 0.05 = 157.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7453 @ 0.00090986 = 6.7812 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12488 @ 0.00090885 = 11.3497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 117 @ 0.37905982 = 44.35 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 153 @ 0.00349999 = 0.5355 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 220 @ 0.0035 = 0.77 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.377 = 0.754 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 239 @ 0.001 = 0.239 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00090646 = 7.1157 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell benkay You've got some weird unicode stuff going on with your url handling. You link to Loper is the primary example.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00091072 = 6.5572 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1309 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.379 = 0.758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: seedcoin sink incoming!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.379 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0029808 = 0.2385 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0035 = 0.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3885 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.0035 = 0.406 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 111 @ 0.0035 = 0.3885 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00090894 = 18.2697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00091088 = 3.6435 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.0035 = 0.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.0035 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1568 @ 0.001 = 1.568 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3799 = 3.0392 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00199939 = 0.3999 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00091184 = 16.2308 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8060 @ 0.00091452 = 7.371 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1811 blocks | Estimated Change: -1.2611% in 12d 17h 34m 23s
mircea_popescu: a negative ? that's a rare sight.
kakobrekla: too small sample size eh
mircea_popescu: ~200 blocks
mircea_popescu: not that small, is it ?
kakobrekla: a little over a day
kakobrekla: 1% is in range id say
kakobrekla: maybe it non americans mining
kakobrekla: its*
kakobrekla: running low on luck.
mircea_popescu: but wait, a retarget is every 2100 blocks or so.
mircea_popescu: this is like 10-15%, it's a sample.
mircea_popescu: it SEEMS like a little over a day, but in fact it has been two days + doing the work of 30 hours
kakobrekla: must be europeans then
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png
mircea_popescu: looks more like normal noise really.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00090999 = 19.9288 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.0029 = 0.3132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 327 @ 0.00288506 = 0.9434 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00287156 = 0.5456 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00091453 = 9.7397 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 476 @ 0.05 = 23.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3799 = 1.1397 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0035 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0035 = 1.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00091418 = 22.5802 BTC [-] {4}
VanCleef: why are people buying am?
mircea_popescu: coupla bitcoins can do anything.
kakobrekla: aeshits and jiggles
kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147613.msg4287591#msg4287591
ozbot: BitBillions GBBG
kakobrekla: -ae
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38275 = 1.1483 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0035 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: how is that not a pyramid scheme and how has it been around for almost a year?
Duffer1: what the shit
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it's there for comedy relief
mircea_popescu: it's been there for almost a year because nobody [of any import] was stupid enough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00353492 = 0.1591 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: a scam without any passive can last indefinitely.
Duffer1: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Duffer1: indeed assbot, indeed
kakobrekla: http://coingen.io
ozbot: Coingen
Duffer1: brb mila kunis coin
Duffer1: am idoing this right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 4.62550000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 58 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: Mila Cunny's Koin
Duffer1: am i ritch yet?
mircea_popescu: you're ricole nitchie.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust BW^-
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user BW^-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=BW^- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BW^- | Rated since: never
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00091291 = 19.8101 BTC [-]
Duffer1: erf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 58863 @ 0.00009497 = 5.5902 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.39881815 = 4.387 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.395 = 1.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4 = 4.4 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.40128316 = 2.4077 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00369945 = 0.4032 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.429 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.401 = 2.406 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00399473 = 0.7989 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 269 @ 0.00417361 = 1.1227 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00434468 = 0.2607 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.40000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44047 @ 0.00091515 = 40.3096 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8232 @ 0.0009165 = 7.5446 BTC [+]
Duffer1: well done MP from hot slut to granny squirts in 7 words
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 dja find it believable ?
Duffer1: not done yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.0009165 = 5.6365 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [+]
Duffer1: the pretext for the poundings seemed a bit far fetched
Duffer1: but perhaps fitting for the timeline the story exists in
mircea_popescu: fiction'd better fetch afar or else why am i reading it even
Duffer1: am actually curious why you're writing it
Duffer1: the erotica i mean
mircea_popescu: i can
Duffer1: i agree
mircea_popescu: so it'd seem i invented a dish. fried chicken livers in onions with a side of basmati and mild mango chutney
mircea_popescu: this thing rocks
ThickAsThieves: PAUL KRUGMAN: Bitcoin's Value Is Driven By The Fact That It Sounds Impressive
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-trader-job-2014-1
ozbot: Bitcoin Trader Job - Business Insider
Duffer1: that only proves to me that he's trying to drive the price down to get cheaper coin
Duffer1: i don't see why else he'd still be talking about it
ThickAsThieves: his job is to get views i assume
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: EPIC! Man whose value is driven by the fact that he sounds impressive comments on the mother of all value.
ThickAsThieves: but the irony of the headline...
mircea_popescu: this is the story of the cat that looked at a mirror and decided the mirror is the painting of a cat.
ThickAsThieves: NEWSFLASH: Bitcoin Doing Well Cuz It's a Good Idea
mircea_popescu: ono but how could this be!1!11
mircea_popescu: pls our lady of teh governments save us in this our hour of need! we can not live in a world where even a single good idea still draws breath
ThickAsThieves: Here's Why Good Things Are Bad #READMYBLOG
mircea_popescu: we are the stupid! the many!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02179999 = 0.109 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 1491769001.38 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: pankkake say, if i want to hedge my exposure to your coin, can i use a hedgdoge ?
Duffer1: instantrimshot.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41 = 1.23 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 866 @ 0.0018633 = 1.6136 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.001 = 0.122 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]
topace: has there been some good asicminer news lately? price seems to be increasing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41666333 = 1.25 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42488999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i think it just bottomed out
ThickAsThieves: and people realized no one was sellign anymore
the20year1: who ThickAsThieves
Duffer1: asicminer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.42827523 = 7.2807 BTC [+] {4}
VanCleef: its a death trap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00091155 = 21.2847 BTC [-] {2}
the20year1: where's asicminer being traded?
VanCleef: havelockinvestments.com?
Duffer1: havelock is a passthrough
the20year1: wasn't sure
topace: it isnt traded anywhere officially
topace: the only place to trade it is a passthru
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495 = 0.495 BTC [-]
VanCleef: don't make it more confusing topace
topace: heh
topace: its not confusing at all
topace: you have "direct shares" held with friedcat, or you have shares held on exchanges via passthru's
topace: the passthru operators hold the direct shares
VanCleef: i'm scared
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.437757 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-]
rbonestell: I'm still looking for beta testers for myHavelock, an Android app for monitoring your Havelock Investments portfolio!
VanCleef: i only use drones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22299 @ 0.00091151 = 20.3258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 68.25110960 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 13 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13955 @ 0.0009104 = 12.7046 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41700001 = 0.834 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.000094 = 0.1457 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42000001 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-december-2013-statement/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.41400001 = 4.968 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41400002 BTC [+]
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Can you elaborate on the "social shyness of the gold standard" ?
mircea_popescu: back when sound money was a thing, middle class males spent their first three decades in their parent;s house and were generally unable to talk to strangers throughout their lives.
mircea_popescu: these two may be unrelated. then again, maybe not. who's to know ?
mircea_popescu: some people with nary a financial interest in the world do keep a keen eye to see what of the old time bitcoin brings back. it's really an anthropology goldmine first and foremost.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10485 @ 0.00091204 = 9.5627 BTC [+]
TomServo: Interesting. Thanks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44164 @ 0.00090918 = 40.153 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20498 @ 0.001 = 20.498 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43483777 = 0.8697 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.436325 = 0.8727 BTC [+] {2}
ArsKisS: omg
ArsKisS: they actually bought 1,5m seedcoin
BW^-: If anyone here is interested in making profit on your fiat in a Bitcoin-industry business, open conversation with me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.437757 = 3.0643 BTC [+] {2}
ArsKisS: does that mean I get fiat or bitcoin?
BW^-: arskiss: fiat!
ArsKisS: if I win in your lottery
ArsKisS: but what do I do with that :O
Duffer1: it means you get shit on
BW^-: arskiss,duffer1: fiat in, more fiat out. through turning over bitcoins.
BW^-: arskiss: pay rent, food, clothes (currently)
BW^-: i mean, material things
Duffer1: ...............................
BW^-: perhaps buy more bitcoins
ArsKisS: lol
ArsKisS: why dont i pay them with bitcoins?
BW^-: arskiss: good Q.
ArsKisS: anyway, I dont participate scams. have a nice day
Duffer1: ;;gpg ident BW^
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BW^-: anyhow, if there is a prospective interest in making more fiat out of fiat through turning over Bitcoin, I would be very happy to talk
BW^-: Duffer1: mircea was kind to ask me for a WOT
BW^-: i saw that database before
BW^-: but
Duffer1: ;;gpg ident BW^-
gribble: Nick 'BW^-', with hostmask 'BW^-!~Miranda@unaffiliated/bw-/x-2460362', is not identified.
BW^-: and also its page. how do i register?
BW^-: duffer1: I'm in Sweden and I visit mircea's city quite frequently.
Duffer1: ;;google web of trust
gribble: Safe Browsing Tool | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/>; Download the WOT add-on | WOT (Web of Trust): <http://www.mywot.com/en/download>; Web of trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust>
BW^-: feel free to add me on Skype, Facebook, etc. if you want a quick path to some sense of trust now.
mircea_popescu: dude, you're running the wrong direction
BW^-: duffer1: also I circulated on FreeNode with this nick for something like 3-4 years now.
mircea_popescu: people aren't here because they don't know what facebook is or can't find some dollars.
mircea_popescu: people are here because they despise those things.
mircea_popescu: if yhou imagine a facebook page "adds trust" you should be on reddit.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/01/parastoo-pge-metcalf.htm
asciilifeform: no phalse phlag is complete without one of these!
mircea_popescu: derp
BW^-: mircea: mm
mircea_popescu: "LOOKS CLOSER AND THE CORRUPT BACKWARD RULING PRINCES OF AN OIL-RICH DESERT FIND MORE MUTUAL BENEFIT FROM"
BW^-: arskiss,duffer1: there were no followup Q:s so I guess this means that's not your thing
mircea_popescu: such clinical. very by the book. much psych.
Duffer1: it sounds like it shouldn't be anyone's thing
asciilifeform: i'd love to see the perl script this came out of!
kakobrekla: BW^- lurk moar
BW^-: mircea: what does your MPEx do?
BW^-: kakobrekla: what's a moar?
mircea_popescu: it makes me spend my fucking days writing reports, apparently.
asciilifeform: in other news, dell corp. joins the denial chorus: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2013/12/30/comment-on-der-spiegel-article-regarding-nsa-tao-organization.aspx
BingoBoingo: BW^-: Have you tried your pitch in -otc or -dev yet?
BW^-: bingoboingo: nope! in -otc may be relevant.
BW^-: -dev not so much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167 @ 0.00091204 = 0.1523 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I hear people in both those channels could always use more fiat
kakobrekla: and #btctc, #bitfunder, #glbse
BW^-: bingoboingo: super!
BW^-: indeed, "#bitcoin-assets" is pretty clear about that the Bitcoin is the asset :))))
kakobrekla: also #btcst
BW^-: and nothing else
BW^-: kakobrekla: super thanks!
kakobrekla: yw!
BingoBoingo: Oh good recommendation BW^- Also do #btcst and #labcoin
mircea_popescu: haters, the lot of you.
BW^-: aha #btcst needs invitation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43777499 BTC [+]
pankkake: BW^-: yeah should be renamed #bitcoin-asset
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 871.0, Best ask: 874.999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99900, Last trade: 871.0, 24 hour volume: 16209.42453216, 24 hour low: 820.56318, 24 hour high: 888.8, 24 hour vwap: 859.64173
kakobrekla: eh?
kakobrekla: oh.
kakobrekla: nvm.
Duffer1: just bitter
Duffer1: though i have made it a new years resolution to chill on the hating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.437776 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44776 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.0045 = 0.333 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1790 @ 0.00091645 = 1.6404 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu signed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4477699 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: This story seems like it might be related to Obama's magic tempest tent http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/18/exclusive_how_diplomacy_helped_cause_an_f_18_crash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00449999 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.447769 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44776999 = 1.3433 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0009171 = 17.8376 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 2.01767224 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 67 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 614 @ 0.001 = 0.614 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5012 @ 0.001 = 5.012 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3104 @ 0.001 = 3.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 27940 @ 0.001 = 27.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11643 @ 0.00091616 = 10.6669 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00410061 = 0.1517 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.05 = 1.2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-december-2013-statement/
ozbot: S.NSA, December 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 802 @ 0.001 = 0.802 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 47 seconds
mircea_popescu: 3 blocks the past hour
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if the hash had fallen from under the network.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00090985 = 4.1007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 1770 blocks | Estimated Change: 2.5876% in 11d 22h 54m 36s
ThickAsThieves: hashin aint ez
mircea_popescu: 41 blocks over the past 345 minutes. i guess it's about there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.44774898 = 1.3432 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: im sure glad i'm not here at some eatery among unfriendly ozarks people waiting for my payment to clear tho
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 35 minutes and 40 seconds
mircea_popescu: it could have been a rather tough half hour.
BingoBoingo: I'm looking at the Pirate Ponzi filings on PACER and it looks like we can add being a deadbeat to things Mr. Shavers sucks at in addition to all of the other things in his fail pile
mircea_popescu: i thought this was well established ? something new there ?
BingoBoingo: Well, he acknowledged his summons, and now has his fingers in his ears. This was a civil case. The time to evade, ignore, and avoid service was with the summons.
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: he had a lengthy history of dubious relations with basically unfuckworthy women, is more of what i had in mind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00091402 = 6.7637 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.421042 BTC [-]
plambert: mircea_popescu: it looks like you put shipping under "intangible assets", why is it not just an "expense"?
the20year: anyone know offhand what the cheapest bond/fund is that offer mining in terms of btc or dollars per GH?
asciilifeform: plambert: how would you value 'getting the damned assembly going 3 days sooner' ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.421042 = 3.3683 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: that'd be 'intangible asset,' no?
BingoBoingo: I've submitted the BitBet and sent a bit to fund yes. I dunno if him getting substantial jailtime in his criminal case later this month would help or hurt the chances of yes winning.
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212490.msg4283648#msg4283648
ozbot: The Holy Grail I wish I could kiss the author of Bitmessage on his face.
ThickAsThieves: bunch of updates to open transaction
ThickAsThieves: with some decent video walkthroughs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3375 @ 0.001 = 3.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.05 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.001 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: plambert it is an expense
mircea_popescu: the idea being that expenses a company makes may either result in tangible or intangible goods, these being terms of art and defined in the original standard
mircea_popescu: id est, http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/517/bfl-will-deliver-28nm-before-jan-6-2014/
ozbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver 28nm before Jan 6 2014
mircea_popescu: this is so eerie
mircea_popescu: what will 2020 bring, i wonder, "bfl will deliver android sex bots" ?
mircea_popescu: after all they can bfl-deliver anything, why think small.
mircea_popescu: a capsein-containing strain of basmati rice, making your rice naturally hot.
plambert: what has BFL delivered so far?
mircea_popescu: early on a fpga
the20year: late everything else
mircea_popescu: allegedly some other shit since, but it's kind of hard to get straight answers.
BingoBoingo: 2020 "Does BFL make parole by February?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091742 = 5.321 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the people who banked on them last year aren't around anymore, if that's telling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00091166 = 4.9685 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: they claim to be shipping the first draft of asic miners immediately
ThickAsThieves: it's been almost a year since I cancelled my order for one
plambert: are they going to be more effcient than other ASIC miners, or are they just the same thing everybody else has already?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking of old models
ThickAsThieves: 65nm
BingoBoingo: plambert: I don't imagine it really makes much difference. How much difference does pouring a gallon of milk make for a river.
asciilifeform: anyone notice 'blockchain.info' denominated in usd now?
ThickAsThieves: BFL is basically the first scammer in line for new bitcoin enthusiasts
nubbins`: asciilifeform: click on any green button that shows USD
ThickAsThieves: a rite of passage
asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: convenient, too
ThickAsThieves: oh you heard of bitcoin mining? and you dont know our rep? buy our miner!
nubbins`: although not necessarily obvious :)
asciilifeform: these folks are harvesting the 'ground floor' people rather well
asciilifeform: i overheard my neighbours talking about dumping their savings into AM some time ago
asciilifeform: real mindfuck
nubbins`: so there's another blizzard heading this way
ThickAsThieves: sounds like they had bad timing
nubbins`: you'd be amazed at the number of people i saw at the hardware store loading up on propane.
nubbins`: "you know you guys can't burn that inside, right?"
nubbins`: "what do you mean?"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: some have generators that run on it
nubbins`: yeah, these were the camping size bottles
asciilifeform: maybe laptop-sized gensets
ThickAsThieves: like for lamps?
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: let's hope so
asciilifeform: always wanted one of those
nubbins`: i just shook my head as i purchased the last kerosene heater
asciilifeform: (afaik this doesn't actually exist)
nubbins`: and the last gallon of kerosene
asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised those 'laptop-sized' stirling engines never caught on
asciilifeform: you could run a computer on anything that combusts.
the20year: which would be?
nubbins`: i'd buy several of those
the20year: from my understanding the cost to make one was pretty pricey
nubbins`: multi-fuel systems are great
the20year: compared to say photovoltaics
asciilifeform: it doesn't get any simpler than a stirling engine.
nubbins`: i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline
nubbins`: fuckin great
asciilifeform: there's a traditional schoolboy version made from aluminum can, that will run off body heat.
the20year: how many watts does that produce?
asciilifeform: some have... interesting... shapes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BetaStirlingTG4web.svg
asciilifeform: the20year: a few mW
nubbins`: HA
the20year: so how many to get 50w or so?
the20year: last sterling engine I saw that 'd produce 25 watts was about $500
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it always did that, you can click the bubbles to switch
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: there are ways to make substantially cheaper stirling engine
asciilifeform: e.g. liquid pistons
asciilifeform: but it remains a 'crackpot field' for some reason.
asciilifeform: mainly because they're no good for vehicles
the20year: the ones i've seen, by people who were supposed to be experts were all way more innefiicent and more expensive than a standard steam turbine system using a solar trough
asciilifeform: (need gigantic heat exchanger if engine is moving)
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: i wonder if the off-the-grid crowd uses these
the20year: solar troughs are immensely cheap, very efficient, and overall great use
asciilifeform: if you want to run a laptop off a candle, a micro stirling engine is probably the only way to go.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i've got a camp stove that takes kerosene, diesel, naphtha, and even unleaded gasoline << i used to have a car that took all that, also alcohol, toluene, etc
the20year: how much does energy does said candle produce?
asciilifeform: (thermoelectric cell, the seemingly-obvious solution, is laughably inefficient)
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of suprised people who claim to be running mining farms aren't talking about stirling engines and heat recovery.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody cancelled laws of thermodynamics
mircea_popescu: notrly. russian.
nubbins`: only problem is that certain fuels are a lot dirtier, and require more maintenance
nubbins`: e.g. naphtha / white gas vs unleaded petrol
mircea_popescu: i don't think the concept of dirty existed in the universe this thing was made.
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: too true
asciilifeform: you know, it really doesn't get much dirtier than firewood
asciilifeform: and yet everybody loves it
nubbins`: the real nice wood stoves have afterburners
mircea_popescu: how is firewood dirty ?
asciilifeform: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-fireplace-delusion
ozbot: The Fireplace Delusion : :
nubbins`: soot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course not, but I'm thinking such thoughts would be attractive to the mining mindset.
nubbins`: hm
the20year: afterburners usually take out most of the soot
nubbins`: yeah
the20year: typically they're extraordinarily efficient
asciilifeform: the20year: your fireplace chimney has an afterburner?
nubbins`: wood stoves in general are way better than fireplaces for this thing too
the20year: as for cost, they can't be beat
nubbins`: fireplaces are mildly retarded, although quaint
nubbins`: wood stoves are the shine
the20year: I don't have a fireplace in my house , next houe we have will absolutely have one. My neighbor just put one in his house though
asciilifeform: phun phact: afterburner is the invention that made cremation popular in the west
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: makes sense
nubbins`: if you REALLY want a fireplace, get a propane one installed
asciilifeform: if you burn 1-stage, the whole town gets to smell the barbeque
asciilifeform: as in india.
nubbins`: if you REALLY want to burn wood for heat, get a Jotul stove
nubbins`: sorry
nubbins`: Jøtul
asciilifeform: see, quite a few people get wood stoves because they like the smell.
nubbins`: heh.
the20year: what heat source do you use?
nubbins`: that's like smoking cigarettes because you like the smell
nubbins`: the20year: i'm on electric heat here
asciilifeform: the20year: heat pump
nubbins`: our tenants are on oil :(
asciilifeform: came with the place
the20year: coal or nuke?
asciilifeform: gas-fired plant, four blocks away
asciilifeform: local uni built it
the20year: so you use gas heat :D
nubbins`: anyway, speaking of tenants, i should go pick up rent before this storm hits
asciilifeform: technically, correct.
nubbins`: expecting another 25cm today
the20year: i don't know the name for them, but the big new wood heat here locally is a insullated box
the20year: sometimes built in a hill or ditch, surrounded by dirt, that's then piped underground to your house
asciilifeform: the20year: this was, afaik, invented by ww2 partizans
asciilifeform: heat a dugout without smoke giving away position
the20year: yeah
the20year: These have afterburners/scrubbers on them, the people I know that use them are heating 2000sf+ houses with just a cord of wood per year
KRS1: i know how you feel-cold in florida today, probably 65-low 60's
KRS1: i have to put on long pants for once
asciilifeform: the20year: what latitude?
the20year: it's 0f here today
asciilifeform: easy to heat a house that never gets cold
KRS1: 26.7097° N, 80.0642° W
the20year: 39.9833° N, 82.9833° W
asciilifeform: if you could build with 'aerogel' insulation, you could heat the house with just your body + computer.
asciilifeform: but aerogel is... $500/g?
the20year: There are easier ways than that
the20year: just build a underground house
asciilifeform: right
the20year: or a dirt house
the20year: at some point , i want to bury a few connex boxes to keep temperature stable
asciilifeform: here in the u.s., demilitarized missile shafts are sometimes sold
asciilifeform: and are famous for the low cost of heating/cooling
the20year: You can do that, or just build it yourself, rent a backhoe and spend a few days
the20year: that's because once you go down about 3 feet , temperatures stabilize on a yearly basis, around 55f
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the20year: (Although that depends on your location in the US)
asciilifeform: who wouldn't love a house with a 200T door.
the20year: Here in Ohio, even during the winter, all you need to do is dig a 5ft hole, install some plexiglass over the top of it, and you can grow tomatoes and such all year long
BingoBoingo: A county government purchased on of the local Nike bases a while back for records storage. Mold and Mosture took out a good portion of the archived vital records.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nike, afaik, was surface-launched.
asciilifeform: so unless you like big concrete parking lot, not sure what use it is.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There were the underground magazines.
asciilifeform: aha
the20year: nikes had pretty massive underground facilities
the20year: there's one near me, completely flooded
asciilifeform: they all flood if the pumps aren't working
BingoBoingo: Surface launched, but lifted from the concrete vault by an elevator.
the20year: pumps were shut off a long time ago
asciilifeform: hence why you can buy one for considerably less than a human house
asciilifeform: but there aren't any over here, sadly.
BingoBoingo: That local site is now repurposed as a sewage treatment facility
the20year: nice
the20year: i guess a sewage plant in texas is now selling the waste as fertilizer, making a ton off it
KRS1: aerogel is badass i wanted to buy some of it
asciilifeform: KRS1: afaik it still holds the record for unit cost / gram (other than weird biologicals)
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerogelflower_filtered.jpg
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the20year: Aerogel has a factor of R10 per inch
the20year: It is a whopping 50% more efficient than what I buy at lowes for 50 cents a square foot
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BingoBoingo: Here's some pictures of Nike magazines http://themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sl-40_photos_2.php
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asciilifeform: at least one 'minuteman' still worked, it is claimed: http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123374519
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course te per gram reference is deceiving. aerogel is very light
mircea_popescu: by this token peacock tail feathers are probably more expensive
mircea_popescu: (still used to this day in cabaret costumerie)
asciilifeform: i said 'unit cost', perhaps that wasn't the correct term
asciilifeform: we could breed peacocks the way chickens are bred, in theory
mircea_popescu: what's a unit, you know ?
asciilifeform: if someone found a really good use for the feather
asciilifeform: while, afaik, no one knows how to make aerogel economically.
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asciilifeform: http://themilitarystandard.com/missile/minuteman/images/pizza.jpg
the20year: what's the use for aerogel if it was more economical?
asciilifeform: really nice gloves?
the20year: slightly thinner, slightly lighter gloves
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mircea_popescu: .d
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BW^-: bingoboingo: ok, I talked at -otc and they were almost completely unserious
BW^-: bingoboingo: almost completely worthless conversation.
BW^-: kakobrekla: ^
BingoBoingo: How?
rbonestell: I'm looking for beta testers for a Havelock portfolio Android app on Google Play- anyone?
mircea_popescu: rbonestell did you manage to get anyone so far ?
rbonestell: I have 5 people testing it right now- found and resolved a few issues. Went from alpha to beta, might go production in a week or so if nothing seriously is found.
rbonestell: nothing serious*
mircea_popescu: cool.
rbonestell: http://i.imgur.com/3tFyqv9.png
rbonestell: ^ screenshot
pankkake: shouldn't the triangles be down if - ?
Jere_Jones: Maybe it is the symbol for delta and not a triangle
rbonestell: yeah, that's delta
pankkake: yeah, I realized after, but it confuses my eyes :)
rbonestell: :D
rbonestell: I could change it to Profit (or Loss) %
ll_: i think the +/- is enough to an idea
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rbonestell: mircea_popescu: Are you interested in participating in the beta?
mircea_popescu: i don't have a smartphone thingee
mircea_popescu: was just curious.
rbonestell: oh, ok. :D
asciilifeform: wait - i thought 'havelock' was an evil spam exchange?
rbonestell: Havelock Investments, or is havelock a code name for something else too?
asciilifeform: it.
asciilifeform: didn't they let some bastard take his shareholder piggy and run off, or was that somebody else ?
jurov: yes that was virtex
jurov: and i'm really curious how would mircea prevent someone pulling the same on mpex
jurov: or how would your shitcoins help there, for that matter, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: jurov prevent is aptly named for what it does : afore, not after the fact.
jurov: but how? iirc shit already almost happened with bitvps
mircea_popescu: well but how. if i could put it in a pill we could all start exchanges and reddit's dream of progress and equality could finally be realised.
jurov: :)
nubbins`: but if everyone is equal, the people who want to be better than others will be sad
nubbins`: :(
mircea_popescu: from experience, the people who aren't ever sad are the people who are better than others.
rbonestell: that's some deep stuff
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jurov: that definition seems uncomfortably close to one of sociopath
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: storm's picking up, i'm thinking that tomorrow i'll have to shovel out the windows again
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you make canada sound like so much fun
mircea_popescu: jurov which definition of sociopath do you work on ?
nubbins`: yeah, it's great if you like cold
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nubbins`: we've had rolling blackouts the past two days
nubbins`: i haven't lost power here yet
mircea_popescu: possibly the most abused term in current english, sort-of like "christian" and "intellectual" rolled into one.
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jurov: "complete disregard of rights of others"
mircea_popescu: now how does that get wedged into hapiness and superiority ?
jurov: i don't see how one can avoid some sadness when thinking about others
mircea_popescu: one'd have to care.
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mircea_popescu: do the others have a right that requires EVERYONE to care about them ?
jurov: now how does that get wedged into hapiness and superiority ?
mircea_popescu: some dork is better than you and perfectly happy.
mircea_popescu: and he doesn't care that you're neither happy nor any good
jurov: if such dork is my boss, it's his loss then
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: by design it's a loss he can easily cope with : you've only one boss, he presumably has many employees.
mircea_popescu: so reasonably, it'd be your loss, mostly.
nubbins`: loss is relative
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jurov: not going to compare who's more at loss here
mircea_popescu: but that aside, how do rights enter into any of it ?
jurov: my point is not caring means loss for both parties
jurov: where did i speak about rights?
mircea_popescu: this is flat out nonsense. i don't care about most of the ~10 bn extras the earth is carrying.
mircea_popescu: you presume this counts as any sort of loss ?
mircea_popescu: there's millions of little noises my ears filter out. i lose something when i'm deaf to entropic noise ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> "complete disregard of rights of others" <
jurov: okay
jurov: i'm tired today :(
jurov: fuck that
mircea_popescu: lolk
jurov: anyway, i don't see why it shouldn't be a right that at least someone should care. of course not everyone.
jurov: but that looks like exactly such a good intention that paves the road to hell
mircea_popescu: some proposition doesn't become a right just as soon as someone somehwere doesn't see why it shouldn't be, that's why
mircea_popescu: what's this, the 70s ?
mircea_popescu: it only becomes a right once you are actually willing to die for it.
mircea_popescu: (which indeed implies that the unwilling to die have no rights)
jurov: well, quite a few people died because they have seen it as only possibility for someone to care
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mircea_popescu: i think that's a different trope
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mircea_popescu: sounds more like herostratus.
rbonestell: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=MS
rbonestell: ...
mircea_popescu: "I resent being an artist, in that respect, I resent performing for fucking idiots who don't know anything. They can't feel. I’m the one that’s feeling, because I’m the one that is expressing."
mircea_popescu: giving away a slightly used, still in working condition yoko ono to whoever identifies the quote's author.
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BingoBoingo: John Lennon, but I'm not sure I want the Yoko Ono
mircea_popescu: aite, whoever has her can keep her.
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BingoBoingo: Yoko just seems like one of those horrifically bad luck charms.
mircea_popescu: more like a cross between zsa zsa gabor and liz taylor, managing to garner the worst parts of both
mircea_popescu: short tempered, vain yet totally incompetent fuckwit
BingoBoingo: Right. The sort of gift you give when you want to ruin the recipient through the burden of maintaining the gift.
mircea_popescu: pity she never amounted to anything in feminism, i'd much rather mock her than luminaries a la that fat chick, what's her name.
BingoBoingo: Lena Dunham?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: rosie mcdowell
mircea_popescu: no wait
mircea_popescu: rosie what the fuck
BingoBoingo: Ah. O'Donnel
mircea_popescu: Rosie O'Donnell yeah
jborkl: Luke reported the hashfast machine is at ...20gh
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Is Luke still qualified to report these things?
jborkl: Good question. But other reports are similar
pankkake: rosie o'donnell looks like she got surprise buttsex in almost all her pics
mircea_popescu: is this the 400 gh thing ?
jborkl: Yes
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: this must be some luke-ish thing, who knows what exact narrow formalism required
mircea_popescu: or in other words, this'd be the first time someone fails 95% in electronics. how, even
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pankkake: "Yes, my mistake/misunderstanding: the unit I received is apparently an engineering sample."
mircea_popescu: lol
KRS1: ya that storm nubbins is in is like 3/4 of the way to a real fuckup
KRS1: its even cold here in florida because of it, a long way from Canada
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/newfoundland-rolling-blackouts-to-continue-into-saturday-1.2482587
ozbot: Newfoundland rolling blackouts to continue into Saturday - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: not sure if they forgot to black us out, or if we're on the same circuit as the fire station
deadweasel: stay warm nubs!
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