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taub: Lucky Strike Red (10 packs x 20 cigarettes) 1 0.19264 BTC 0.19264 BTC
taub: oh man
taub: they cawst me 200 eur instead of 20
taub: deflation man
unbalanced: A month ago?
taub: yea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00177999 = 0.2848 BTC [-]
unbalanced: I think I've figured something out (or maybe read it here and boom, Inception)
unbalanced: The only valid thing to spend a deflationary currency on is something that will make you more money than holding it.
thestringpuller: unbalanced: that's not true
thestringpuller: you can spend profits over time as long as you mitigate the cash flow correctly
thestringpuller: for instance miners
taub: deflation is fine, but obviously rapid one like this isn't really classic deflation
taub: just growing pains
unbalanced: If it's the miner's only income they have to convert some to local currency to buy groceries and pay rent, electricity, sure.
unbalanced: (which allows them to continue earning a living)
unbalanced: But can we ever recommend that John Q Noob buy bitcoins to load on their phone to buy their daily coffee or smokes?
thestringpuller: unbalanced: no you can't, because that's not a good utility for it, and never was
unbalanced: Right, I'm with you there.
unbalanced: MSM misconstrues that all the time.
unbalanced: I really want to help popularize Bitcoin here in Canada, but without encouraging everyone to get them because they're just awesome.
unbalanced: Find the utility, use them as a tool.
unbalanced: Not to buy a cup of coffee, although if I'm a coffee roaster, I may want to *accept* Bitcoin.
thestringpuller: it's good for moving money around though
unbalanced: Collect it so I can send it to Ethiopia or Indonesia for more coffee.
thestringpuller: the idea use case would be: Person earns btc by doing some work
unbalanced: The good stuff, in big bags, without fees and middlemen.
thestringpuller: person spends some of those btc to you for a cup of coffee
thestringpuller: ideal*
unbalanced: Right
thestringpuller: there is no point in buying btc anymore
thestringpuller: well there is as a store of value....
unbalanced: Speculation sure
unbalanced: Speaking of which
unbalanced: I put up some propositions on bitbet...
unbalanced: http://bitbet.us/propositions/
unbalanced: BTCChina 30d BTC volume to exceed next 10 largest exchanges combined
thestringpuller: i would say the ideal situation for joe schmoe buying btc
unbalanced: Before April 1st 2014, Bitcoin will hit $2000 USD without dipping below $500
thestringpuller: would be to buy BTC and invest it in a good vehicle like MPBOR bonds on a good month
thestringpuller: or MPOE long term
unbalanced: How do they know "a good month" in advance?
thestringpuller: you don't it's hit or miss
thestringpuller: jurov has a sheet
thestringpuller: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlhB0UHVxS67dGpBc2Rub3FtLTdHZ3ZPb09DY2pHWlE&usp=sharing#gid=0
thestringpuller: of previous months
thestringpuller: the more volatile the currency is the more likely there is to be a loss on MPBOR
unbalanced: Let alone how to buy on mpex. My Coinbr affiliate link: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=F5AaxgxFkQ
thestringpuller: lol
unbalanced: Nice, clicking
thestringpuller: if you're going to hold BTC and want to spend them, you need to have an income stream going into the btc economy
thestringpuller: or an income stream generated by the economy, however there isn't much worth investing in, I feel Havelock will go the way of BTCTCO soon
unbalanced: Exactly. Mining, or a useful web service, or BTC-denominated investments.
unbalanced: I have confidence in HI... just not in many of their listings.
unbalanced: I finally have some ideas for "services useful to people with Bitcoin in hand" so I'm working on those now.
unbalanced: Huh. The MPOE bonds on that spreadsheet have too much of a history of Taleb-flagged "blow ups" for my taste.
unbalanced: Well, they didn't go to 0 I guess.
thestringpuller: yea, it's gonna take time unfortunately but it keeps use from experiencing what happened in 2011
thestringpuller: us*
unbalanced: To which disaster do you refer? I can't remember that far back although I'm sure I read about it.
unbalanced: Have to bolt, will read the log later on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18959 @ 0.00079422 = 15.0576 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 139 @ 0.00303288 = 0.4216 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6472 @ 0.000798 = 5.1647 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03199999 = 0.352 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.311611 = 0.9348 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3116 = 0.9348 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00286776 = 0.152 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1958 @ 0.00139643 = 2.7342 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1241 @ 0.001346 = 1.6704 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00177979 = 0.6995 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05088461 = 0.6615 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00032 = 0.64 BTC [-] {3}
firstblockchain: unbalanced - hello from Bali. Saw your query about my bitcoin / coffee - article on my project was written here: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-can-free-coffee-from-the-middlemen/
thestringpuller: using bitcoin for coffee procurement?
firstblockchain: other way around
nubbins`: using coffee for bitcoin procurement
nubbins`: unbalanced: all this does is create a situation where people are reluctant to spend more than they have to
nubbins`: that's just being fiscally prudent :P
nubbins`: do i need to buy this coffee or should i save, all the while your electricity bill denominated in btc decreases each month
firstblockchain: next house - complete off-grid solar electric system purchased with BTC. - and a composting toilet too ;)
nubbins`: now you're talking
unbalanced: Thanks firstblockchain, will read up.
firstblockchain: cheers unbalanced
unbalanced: Was just watching The Amazing Race, they're in Bandung this episode
firstblockchain: Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though...
firstblockchain: just had some Arabica from Bandung. Some good stuff coming out of west Java now. It supposedly includes some of the old dutch strains that were originally planted way back when on the East Java plantations - the original "Java" coffee of Mocha Java fame.
unbalanced: Okay now I want to try Indonesian coffee. Will grab some at my usual stop for a change of pace.
unbalanced: nubbins, good point about Bitcoin making people properly frugal
unbalanced: Meanwhile the channel seems suspisciously quiet as if all the European reps are off for the day, on planes heading to pick up Black Friday deals in the US.
unbalanced: Or maybe it's just late.
nubbins`: it can be two things
nubbins`: but i mean, i don't regret buying things with bitcoin just because the value has gone up
nubbins`: on the contrary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3294949 = 0.659 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00079665 = 7.8868 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: by the time the majority of transactions take place with btc, the amounts changing hands will be miniscule
nubbins`: you just gotta grease the wheel to keep it moving until it can turn on its own
unbalanced: firstblockchain, that article is way better than what I was going to write. I was going to write about the theory, you're doing it. Well played.
firstblockchain: unbalanced - been a wild two months since I started it. I figured, let's just do it and see what happens. Mostly getting to meet people involved with BTC and learning about all the possibilities - and different angles
firstblockchain: Quite the extreme - say, all the Chinese fiat investors, startups concered only with Gov't regulations, etc.. I met at Bitcoin 2013 in Singapore a few weeks ago - and say, what's been going on HERE for apparently much,much longer
unbalanced: Just ordered me 200g of your Bali Kintamani Arabica Coffee
unbalanced: Take that, Silk Road! Legit international trade in addictive substances.
unbalanced: Oh, Bitpay is good: "this invoice has been overpaid"
unbalanced: I'm still not used to $1000 BTC.
unbalanced: Just send me 10, I'll spread them around.
thestringpuller: boom boom boom
thestringpuller: i want to buy the best coffee on the planet how much?
thestringpuller: like coffee that requires 0 cream
firstblockchain: unbalanced - lol - just got a notice from bitpay about the overpayment. They won't let me accept it without opening a support ticket first. It says you can also request a refund.
firstblockchain: thestringpuller - if it needs cream or sugar, it ain't coffee
firstblockchain: unbalanced - your choice - happy to ship 10. I'll box them up and send them express EMS in that case. Appreciate the support either way!
unbalanced: I'll take 10. Do I need to sign off on the ticket?
unbalanced: Christmas gifts for the team
firstblockchain: Unbalanced Nice - thanks. I'll send in the requested support ticket. I assume they'll touch base with you to confirm that's what you wanted.
unbalanced: Sure thing
firstblockchain: Meanwhile - I'll fire up the roaster. Just got the latest green beans from the Bali Kintamani farms up the mountain here at the pad - roasted and cupped samples yesterday. I think you'll like these.
unbalanced: Nice, thanks man!
unbalanced: I envy your Tim Ferris lifestyle but now I don't have to envy your coffee.
unbalanced: nubbins, PM me your shop address and I'll send some your way, if you aren't washed away in the footage I saw on the Weather Network today
unbalanced: If not, I understand... but you post pics of yourself and your gold coins dude...
unbalanced: You might as well try Indonesian coffee from strangers. Live a little before someone shows up and stabs you for your coins.
firstblockchain: unbalaned - thanks again. Just contacted support - I'll keep an eye out for confirmation. Let me know if any issue arises on your end. Cheers!
unbalanced: Thanks
unbalanced: nubbins, I'm just projecting my paranoia about even coming out and disclosing that I use bitcoin.
unbalanced: I'm more used to lurking and reading but I think the senate hearings and Chinese adoption have gone to my head this week.
unbalanced: Exciting times. Anyway, I'll shaddup, catch you all later!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00079824 = 34.005 BTC [+] {4}
dub: laotian coffee is supposed to be the best
dub: but thats probably just circlejerkary
dub: firstblockchain: what do you know about rabies
firstblockchain: dub - if the dog's head is facing you, but his eyes are blank and the tail ain't moving, back the funk up
dub: got bitten by a monkey in that fucking monkey forest tourist scam
firstblockchain: <dub> I live close by. Seen plenty of people bit by those little shits.
dub: locals say they are clean but im sceptical and rabies is fucking scary shit
firstblockchain: The monkeys know you if you walk through all the time - don't harass you.
dub: docters back home had to call the CDC equiv, test was basically, 'is the patient trying to eat you? yes/no'
firstblockchain: Nah, tons of dogs with it here. They have to cull all the time because of all the rabid strays.
firstblockchain: Locals think the dogs are their reincarnated relatives, so they it is difficult to take care of all the strays.
dub: some odd customs over there for sure, saw a couple fo funerals type parties up close
firstblockchain: wild, right? last one in our village was a creamation for over 100 bodies. They have to save up for the cremeations, so the bodies rest in shallow graves for up to four years until the big "group creamation" is ready to go. Then they parade the corpses through town to the funeral pyre.
firstblockchain: cremation rather
firstblockchain: they are wrapped in cloth, and there's a ton of incense burning, but still on a 90+ degree day, it is one stinky parade
firstblockchain: still, not as bad as Sulawesi, Indonesia. There, the person isn't considered "dead" until the cremation has happened. So, until they can save enough money for a proper cremation ceremony, the corpse stays in the house with the family. They dress it every day and sit it in a chair in the family room. And put it back in bed at night.
dub: yah a buddy filmed on of those in ubud
dub: the cremation parade that is
firstblockchain: strong incense is an in-demand product throughout Indonesia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3288675 = 1.3155 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007987 = 11.3415 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00079813 = 5.5071 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00295058 = 0.1033 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079873 = 3.2748 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00079878 = 7.6683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00161999 = 0.81 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00079813 = 4.1503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32899974 = 1.316 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00079769 = 12.5636 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.329 = 2.632 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.32919459 = 12.1802 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00295001 = 0.2154 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3293 = 2.6344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.3294 = 6.588 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.32979999 = 3.298 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00161999 = 0.2965 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.0007984 = 9.7006 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00293312 = 0.3901 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.0029 = 0.5452 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0028841 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.34389998 = 3.439 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00079852 = 5.2702 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18474 @ 0.00079404 = 14.6691 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00161999 = 0.3175 BTC [-]
KRS1: BBQ Coin crashing in Somalia!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03192249 = 0.1277 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3495 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.341 BTC [-]
pankkake: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1250.900000000000 USD = 1.11389136242 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3405 BTC [-]
truffles: wonder why cads signs in to all the chat rooms but says nothing
truffles: hmm
BingoBoingo: truffles: It's how IRC usually gets used. You mostly afk, then scroll up to see what happened in the conversation.
truffles: thats weird to me :D
truffles: he seems like talker so i just wondered..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00079852 = 1.8765 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3288 = 0.6576 BTC [-]
ColdHardMetal: maybe. that was all quite awhile ago at this point.
ColdHardMetal: misfire, sorry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00032 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 503 @ 0.00031745 = 0.1597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.07119523 = 1.4951 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.07316667 = 1.756 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00307999 = 0.1201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14425 @ 0.00079692 = 11.4956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8459 @ 0.00079852 = 6.7547 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: cremation parties ?!
mircea_popescu: http://www.recovery.gov/pages/textview.aspx?data=recipientHomeMap
ozbot: State/Territory Totals, as Reported by Recipients
mircea_popescu: this kicks ass. funds awarded, 3bn. funds disbursed, 3bn. jobs created ? 600
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9318 @ 0.00079312 = 7.3903 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3288 BTC [-]
firstblockchain: Click "report fraud, waste and abuse" button, submit "whitehouse.gov"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
KRS1: jeez
KRS1: #failprez
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4582 @ 0.00079221 = 3.6299 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0030896 = 0.1112 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 285 @ 0.00323553 = 0.9221 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5468 @ 0.00079802 = 4.3636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00079117 = 13.8455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079117 = 5.3008 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1177.0001, Best ask: 1179.79998, Bid-ask spread: 2.79988, Last trade: 1179.8, 24 hour volume: 52851.65224718, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1161.05877
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker +market coinbase
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker --market coinbase
gribble: Coinbase BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1068.12, Best ask: 1095.77, Bid-ask spread: 27.65000, Last trade: 1080.54, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None
ThickAsThieves: Neo & Bee Bitcoin Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1zZoUfMGE&feature=youtu.be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 787 @ 0.00169158 = 1.3313 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0016998 = 0.1955 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00169999 = 0.1666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00169999 = 4.25 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.0017 = 0.2108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3077 @ 0.00178368 = 5.4884 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7382 @ 0.00079533 = 5.8711 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34479997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 649 @ 0.00165 = 1.0709 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 993 @ 0.00179106 = 1.7785 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.0007978 = 3.7896 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1175 @ 0.00331477 = 3.8949 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00079898 = 6.232 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: morning
ThickAsThieves: mornin'
nubbins`: ah! there's been a couple of nibbles on my auction for a redeemed casascius coin.
jurov`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg3070086#msg3070086 funny stuff about evoorhees :D
ozbot: [CLOSED] S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 408 @ 0.00031102 = 0.1269 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: jurov he's a magician now: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-aqc14tIy6E/SbCUiDAEdTI/AAAAAAAAABg/oHwqqbKLi3Y/s320/gob+bluth.jpg
jurov`: dats not him. i met him irl
nubbins`: shh :(
kakobrekla: >Erik obviously wants to keep his privacy.
kakobrekla: hes been on tv a dozen times
jurov`: ^this. that's why i find it soo funny
ThickAsThieves: yknow who's pretty sharp that i didnt used to pay any mind, Crumbs
ThickAsThieves: we should get his ass in here
jurov`: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
jurov`: but he lurks as GuestXXXX usually
kakobrekla: into porn now
jurov`: what, that trophy gf left him? or got bored?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: porn and gf is not exclusive
nubbins`: ^
jurov`: i know, just trying to get gossip going
nubbins`: i heard he sleeps upside-down
ThickAsThieves: 10% jump in nethash overnight
nubbins`: wow!
davout: did someone say gossip?
nubbins`: http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/Wherecoolthingshappen_christals5.jpg
nubbins`: three-sided snowflake
nubbins`: well, technically still six. but y'know
pankkake: could snowflakes be used as proof of work?
nubbins`: proof of winter ;(
nubbins`: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaoticmind75/with/10152925944/
ozbot: Flickr: ChaoticMind75's Photostream
pankkake: nice
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg3766958#msg3766958
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
ThickAsThieves: In case ya'll missed it Neo & Bee Bitcoin Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb1zZoUfMGE&feature=youtu.be
ThickAsThieves: I think it came out pretty slick
pankkake: yes the video is very good. can't find any flaw
nubbins`: Dr Greg uses words that I don't understand
pankkake: me neither. so he must be right
ThickAsThieves: Dr. Greg is basically saying that someone could clean MP out
ThickAsThieves: it's a point, but sorta sideways to the prior posts
pankkake: well the prior posts are not worth even reading
ThickAsThieves: likely
nubbins`: great video
nubbins`: you guys got your money's worth :D
ThickAsThieves: http://nfcring.com/bitcoin/
ozbot: NFC Ring - Safe, Simple, Secure. || NFC Ring - One smart ring, unlimited possibilities || Bitcoin Pr
pankkake: I've ordered one (through kickstarter, though they also were open on a bitcoin one)
nubbins`: hey, i remember those
pankkake: oh it's new orders
ThickAsThieves: i ordered a couple fromt the kick
ThickAsThieves: yeah
ThickAsThieves: it's a promo link i got for being a backer
ThickAsThieves: cept i dont need more
pankkake: the stealth bomber looks better than the classic… but I don't even have a use for the first one :p
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: not a fan of the woven carbon look
nubbins`: and i already have a ring D;
nubbins`: ...and i literally have no use for NFC
nubbins`: but still! these are really cool.
pankkake: the guy likes bitcoin though. perhaps we'll see more stuff from him in the future
nubbins`: nod
ThickAsThieves: the carbon thing is a filler
ThickAsThieves: it can be swapped
nubbins`: ah!
nubbins`: great
nubbins`: it's all a bit light on detail
pankkake: when I chose mine the other options were not very good looking either
ThickAsThieves: dont think, buy.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
nubbins`: not sure about ordering a ring online, too :P
pankkake: it's not very expensive anyway
nubbins`: i tried on like fifteen different ones before i found one that (a) i liked and (b) fit well
pankkake: and this one is quite large
nubbins`: as is mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1583 @ 0.00031044 = 0.4914 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079942 = 3.1977 BTC [+]
KRS1: Max Keiser‏@maxkeiser 28 Nov Somebody out there should start a 'keisercoin' I'm pretty sure it would go from $0 to $100 mn. pretty quickly
KRS1: What a fool..obviously thinks too highly of himself.
KRS1: He must have a staff of people scraping the internet daily to see what people are saying about him.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "Everybody out there should suck my dick"
nubbins`: "Max you can't just say that"
nubbins`: "Well, make it about coins or something"
nubbins`: maybe i'm just jealous tho, because nobody would buy nubcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00079942 = 3.6917 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079902 = 3.276 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Operating_System_Solutions
ozbot: Bharat Operating System Solutions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: today i learned.
nubbins`: "The latest desktop version of BOSS GNU/Linux is fully localised to eighteen Indian languages."
mircea_popescu: there's a world out there i tell you.
nubbins`: the spread of language is a fascinating topic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.335 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: indeed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00179 = 0.895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 532 @ 0.00179999 = 0.9576 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.029 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2917 @ 0.00035149 = 1.0253 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3065 @ 0.00038773 = 1.1884 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0018165 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0293 = 0.1465 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: do you guys know anything about mastercoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079985 = 5.359 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/revisiting-the-topic-of-economic-injustice-with-examples/
ozbot: Revisiting the topic of “economic injustice”, with examples pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
mircea_popescu: KRS1 iirc it's some attempt to do something very similar to colored coins while claiming a different name for the thing, and some snappy website.
mircea_popescu: basically as best anyone can determine the body of shills that were trying to push ripple half a year back and got trampled underfoot have mooved on to this thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08187011 = 0.3275 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: too early to say that it's stupid, if it actually is. so far, we just don't know why anyone should care.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06505001 = 0.5204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00079996 = 14.2393 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1166.30003, Best ask: 1168.69998, Bid-ask spread: 2.39995, Last trade: 1166.30001, 24 hour volume: 48299.58455324, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1157.40475
mircea_popescu: aww no 1500 ?!
mircea_popescu: IT HAS BEEN A DAY!!!
mircea_popescu: I DEMAND MY IMAGINARY WINNINGS!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12089 @ 0.00080004 = 9.6717 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5102 @ 0.00080062 = 4.0848 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: imaginary winnings?
kakobrekla: bitbet crew are experts at that stuff
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you are such a riot!
thestringpuller: you should do stand up
thestringpuller: "In Romania, topless girl execute orders not computer!!!"
thestringpuller: "What's the difference between a topless girl and a computer?"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay nearly enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07899999 = 0.237 BTC [+]
dexX7: are bitcoin tx slow at the moment?
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 9 seconds
dexX7: looks like the size of the recent blocks reached the soft? limit again
dexX7: this wouldn't have an impact on tslb i think
mircea_popescu: a in that sense
mircea_popescu: well... tx fees you know ?
mircea_popescu: i expect next year all blocks will be full
mircea_popescu: which is how this thing is supposed to work, bid for tx space.
thestringpuller: dude why are there so many magic numbers in the bitcoin source code
thestringpuller: I didn't know it was this bad
mircea_popescu: dexX7 last few blocks are < 1/4mb anyway
mircea_popescu: wasn't soft limit 500k ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's what everyone says, "holy shit, i had no idea it is this bad"
dexX7: all last 7 were at 250 + 1 (eligius) at 500
thestringpuller: bandwidth should increas 30% so we'll just put float 0.3 here
thestringpuller: da fuq....
mircea_popescu: ppl can't code.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com "magic numbers"
gribble: The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitchslapping-of-2013>; And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially ...: <http://trilema.com/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked>; The reason you can't have nice numbers and other considerations ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: literally all the articles that come up for that query discuss the bitcoin tardteam.
bloctoc: KRS1 - I suppose I fit the definition of one of the shills who was pumping Ripple last year and is on to mastercoin this year. I moved all my ripples to mastercoin last night. Why? I'm convinced that Enron got gutted instead of highly leveraged company x because they pretty much gave the finger to the rest of the trading community at every opportunity. I see Ripple (commercial version) guys having done the same thing to the
bloctoc: bitcoin community. I don't know what the alternatives are with colored coins, but I really like the idea of reversible transactions using mastercoin.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc why ?
mircea_popescu: (do you like the idea of reversible transactions)
bloctoc: I have enough bitcoins sitting on my laptop that I fear theft.
mircea_popescu: but he who can reverse transactions can steal them
mircea_popescu: this is a degradation of your security.
bloctoc: …and I can't seem to build trust to trade in bitcoin-otc I'm hoping that reversible transactions helps there too.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: but i fail to see the logic, if you don't like the bitcoin in bitcoin why not just sell them for fiat or rubber tyres or w./e that better suits your needs.
bloctoc: I traded bitcoin for mastercoin because I want to try out a p2p passthrough for mpex.co
bloctoc: if colored coins is better for that, then I'm all ears. I'm not dogmatic.
mircea_popescu: i'm not dogmatic either, contrary to what you may have heard :)
mircea_popescu: trying to sound out this entire thing, so.
mircea_popescu: now, that i do it with a 200kgf vice and an acetylene blowtorch... well.. just a matter of style.
thestringpuller: sounds like someone is cooking meth...
mircea_popescu: who ? what ?
bloctoc: I don't want to load this channel up with alt coin discussions, but there are other functionalities that need to go p2p to take care of things like profitable mining companies that lose their centralized exchange.
pankkake: mastercoin: "Peer to Peer Exchange, User Currencies, Savings Wallets, Smart Property, and Future Event Contacts"
pankkake: besides the misspelling "contacts", I'm not sure what's the point of a blockchain
pankkake: for OTC trading I've even made *throwable* contracts; when it's done no need to keep it
pankkake: however perhaps a web of trust on the blockchain could be useful
mircea_popescu: yeah. i agree pankkake, i can't discern any point where this diverges from bitcoin differently than simple ignorance.
pankkake: "user currencies" is actually a good idea, but it's decentralized (except its trading between users); you'd have an issuer
pankkake: makes a better Ripple in any case
mircea_popescu: everyone : there's a new ipmi exploit, it's perfectly capable to root your box.
mircea_popescu: if your ipmi interface is exposed ot the public internet you're at risk
pankkake: I've seen that, scary… pretty sure my server in a datacenter has ipmi, I don't know how filtered it is
mircea_popescu: this is why kvm over local ip is so much better
mircea_popescu: then again, ipmi si cheaper.
pankkake: yeah, that's the thing
pankkake: but hardware with those fancy web interfaces is such a bad idea
pankkake: there's been many router hacks etc
mircea_popescu: verily.
mircea_popescu: at least the router you can configure to only be accessible from the in side.
mircea_popescu: which is how they default
pankkake: usually. there's been examples in the wild of the contrary
pankkake: and then there's the default passwords
pankkake: or defaulting to WEP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00080077 = 3.6435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform
mircea_popescu: hallelujah
mod6: ^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.06555999 = 1.3112 BTC [-] {11}
mod6: Thx for the update on ipmi.
pankkake: wasn't that known already, the flash thing?
mircea_popescu: prolly. i only now heard
jurov`: i didn't knew it
pankkake: doesn't really mean the end of flash… just that they won't port newer versions
pankkake: also there's this thing with Chrome, a bundled Flash, not using the NPAPI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00080077 = 9.6493 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so frustrated right now, fancy new audio pc has no firewire port...
nubbins`: harder and harder to find these days
pankkake: cheap pci cards available
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7345 @ 0.0008004 = 5.8789 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: last i check a majority of audio peeps use firewire sound cards
pankkake: no I mean, PCI cards providing Firewire ports
ThickAsThieves: yeah but i want sound now :(
pankkake: "I ain't instructing your bulbously barren head" lol… and here I was waiting for an actual discussion
nubbins`: lots of people just get a USB interface with a bunch of audio ports too
nubbins`: you can get some nice multitrack boards these days for not too much $$
ThickAsThieves: its the same card from my previous sys, a MOTU 828mkii
ThickAsThieves: tested to convert audio as well as some very expensive stuff from today
ThickAsThieves: made before they started using shitty converter chips
mircea_popescu: ahaha that dr greg forum guy is hysterical.
mircea_popescu: "how one never enters naked options positions, while simultaneously never hedging options positions"
mircea_popescu: aka, "how does one not steal clothes while also not returning them"
mircea_popescu: forum muppets never heard of this mystical concept of, you know... like having money ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah but he's worried you'll lose all your money and then some
mod6: they give phd's to anyone these days.
mircea_popescu: mod6 esp on forums. besides, dr nefario also had one.
mod6: hahah
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because if a bunch of redditards didn't do a lot of worrying, the ozone layer would still be there
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rpx26/mastercoin_is_a_joke/ (didn't read yet)
ozbot: Mastercoin is a joke : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: o oops sorry my bad, the HOLE i meant. the ozone layer is fine. it was saved.
ThickAsThieves: "Mastercoin crossed $1,000,000 USD worth of MSC in trading volume in a 24 hours period" (citing /u/DJohnston)
mircea_popescu: the burnside method ?
mircea_popescu: "First things first, I am a Genderfluid, meaning I consider myself both male and female, but I am a biological woman. I am in tune with myself and I am a Black Beta Wolf."
pankkake: Black Beta Wolf?
mircea_popescu: i dare not ask.
mircea_popescu: tho a "Why not a dragon ?" seems appropriate.
pankkake: well, do you know about the "otherkin" stuff?
mircea_popescu: people with subclinical mental issues trying to make their insanity socially acceptable ?
pankkake: "I think I'm a penguin, so I am a penguin", basically
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.060008 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: i am black napoleon, i discovered america in indonesia.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.03464114 = 0.2771 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00030507 = 0.6101 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: beta wolf could describe personality, but don't see why black
mircea_popescu: of course afaik beta wolves don't have sex.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.32003145 = 3.8404 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: or beta humans in PUA theory
pankkake: "In some species of birds, males pair up in twos when courting, the beta male aiding the alpha male."
mircea_popescu: beta humans have sex all the time
mircea_popescu: how do you think all the puas are born ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake ahaha that's the jerry-george idea~!
pankkake: I don't remember that
mircea_popescu: ;;google the summer of george
gribble: The Summer of George - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Summer_of_George>; Summer of George - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPS3qLtaFtw>; "Seinfeld" The Summer of George (TV Episode 1997) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697794/>
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK yay! however I'm surprised bbet mods think No is the most likely. hmm unless it's accounting for the both not shipping
mircea_popescu: well doh ?
pankkake: BFL would be more than 2 months late. well, why not
pankkake: I would think they would fail less hard this time
pankkake: we'll see!
mircea_popescu: count yourself lucky if they deliver a box of fans by the 4th of july
pankkake: past performance does not predict the future!
pankkake: though a history of failure often does
ThickAsThieves: everyone has a gift
ThickAsThieves: have you seen boogie nights yet mp?
ThickAsThieves: ' The film tells the rags-to-riches-to-rags story of a young man with a dream. 17-year-old busboy Eddie Adams (Mark Wahlberg) believes that "everyone is blessed with one special gift." In Eddie's case, the gift is a 13" penis and boundless sexual energy. '
drmandude: does the name brak mean anything to any of you? I got .10 in btc with no information other than "brak" thought i might have won a bet.
ThickAsThieves: brak is a space ghost character
ThickAsThieves: i like beans!
ThickAsThieves: and such
drmandude: yeah i know that
drmandude: but hmmm
drmandude: who would send me .10 btc with no reason
drmandude: brak obama
drmandude: lol
pankkake: :D
kakobrekla: oh yeah sorry about that
kakobrekla: you can return those to my address
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have.
mircea_popescu: i had seen it once before, 10ish years ago. it sucked then, it still sucks
mircea_popescu: speaking of films, this is probably the best visual gag of all time : http://trilema.com/2013/ah-les-belles-bacchantes/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: that is pretty good
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you played the original GTA no?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: ok, i think I found the oldest written argument against the state and for decentralisation.
mircea_popescu: L'Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal
mircea_popescu: 13th century.
thestringpuller: weren't the greeks decentralized?
thestringpuller: or was their no argument for it back then?
mircea_popescu: well it has to be written actually
mircea_popescu: but in general the greeks were quite decentralised, to the degree plato
mircea_popescu: 's leviathanesque ideas struck as edgy rather than stupid
thestringpuller: interesting. I wonder where the first argument for the behemoth of centralized government came from
mircea_popescu: in written form, probably locke.
mircea_popescu: mnah, the leviathan is earlier. hobbes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 72 @ 0.08900819 = 6.4086 BTC [+] {12}
jurov`: plato had some stuff about ideal state, no? but he prolly did not meant centralisation
mircea_popescu: jurov` he did so mean centralisation. plato's idea of the republic informs both mussolini's "all in the party and nothing outside the party" as well as mao's cultural revolution.
mircea_popescu: they're both very naive, yet very pure and very faithful platonisms,
mircea_popescu: much in the way plato's own nonsense ended up with socrate dead.
Venat: so yeah
Venat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352085.0 good idea or bad idea.
Venat: this dude has a puzzle and charges for questions he will answer with yes or no
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2**17
gribble: 131072
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00155541 = 2.3331 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: seems like a gem that takes work.
mircea_popescu: of the thinking kind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.001551 = 1.551 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: this on the surface seems to be exactly wrong : the sorts of people liable to send btc over to "profit" in such a scheme would be the exact ones not inclined to sit down and try and figure out anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00155064 = 0.9552 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00152235 = 0.1507 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0015 = 0.147 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: "Every question is a transaction with BTC and a 'signed message(=question)' to the pot-adress." ... signed msg to the pot-address? how does that work?
dexX7: oh look https://blockchain.info/de/address/1GameCdKcrjr8mfDzDQMQX83zaZ1bU8UQP
nubbins`: i guess he just means put it in the note field
dexX7: yea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8166 @ 0.00079842 = 6.5199 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: so where can i find such a mixer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2975 @ 0.0007976 = 2.3729 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you mean tag txs ? blockchain wallet apparently does it
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: otherwise you can introduce arbitrary data in your tx, which peopel don't like because it bloats the chain
mircea_popescu: (blockchain uses a hash mechanism to mostly avoid this problem)
nubbins`: there's a limit of i think 256 chars
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no there isn't, people have put child porn in there.
nubbins`: wat!
dexX7: i know about the blockchain.info note.. i was just wondering about how he phrased the sentence
dexX7: and then i was curious about the coin mixing
dexX7: but saw just that blockchain.info has a mixer included now
nubbins`: it's had a "shared send" thing for a while now, iirc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you got strings ? (the linux util)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.0007976 = 3.9082 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274613.msg3089270#msg3089270 << guy went short "everything" in september.
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailydot.com/business/bitcoin-child-porn-transaction-code/ << possibly the most iliterate discussion of bitcoin, at least since the last time amir taaki said something.
BingoBoingo: "Looking like the 'August 2012' bubble" <- Does the poster mean that time Pirateat40 dumped a bunch of coins for fiat and depressed the exchange rate for months?
mircea_popescu: you mean the time pirate guy tried to depress the exhcnage rate and failed miserably within an afternoon ?
BingoBoingo: Were they the same time? I need to go back and check on that.
mircea_popescu: there's the log somewhere, lulzy reading material.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13413 @ 0.00079976 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/linux-worm-targeting-hidden-devices
mircea_popescu: The worm, Linux.Darlloz, exploits a PHP vulnerability
mircea_popescu: who the fuck has apache on an embedded chip
pankkake: actually, php-cgi, so likely not apache
pankkake: (apache users are often with mod_php)
mircea_popescu: even better o.o
mircea_popescu: who installs php in cgi mode ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00080094 = 6.1672 BTC [+]
pankkake: who installs php?!
pankkake: php-cgi is fastcgi too. but on a router it might make sense to have cgi; less memory usage when the web interface is not used
mircea_popescu: pankkake well the entire "we put lamp in there" thing i could see maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00079652 = 7.6466 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/
mircea_popescu: basically this is a "bfl will fail to deliver by march" wioth some irrelevant crap tacked on
jurov`: interesting, all BitcoinSARL's stuff is unreachable except bitcoinbourse.eu
jurov`: https://twitter.com/dotcoin loool so dude has it at some french hosting.. and nobody's going to fix it cus it's friday evening
benkay: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1128.51, Best ask: 1129.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 1129.0, 24 hour volume: 21860.41608710, 24 hour low: 988.22, 24 hour high: 1129.0, 24 hour vwap: 1048.35502421
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.972824, Best ask: 0.975199936, Bid-ask spread: 0.00238, Last trade: 0.97176, 24 hour volume: 49622.81261394, 24 hour low: 0.84, 24 hour high: 0.9936, 24 hour vwap: 0.928699928
jurov`: anyone knows who is behing this? http://alpha-t.net/ - litecoin asic
jurov`: the font in logo made me suspect it's bitcoinsarl's doing... but can't find any link
jurov`: aka markus weiler
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00179999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: first time i see it.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133147.msg3769061#msg3769061
mircea_popescu: and picostocks ends.
jurov`: meh, they will do an IPO
davout: ouch
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/
mircea_popescu: the funny part : his cold wallet was 600 btc and his hot wallet 5k
mircea_popescu: because that's how you design these things.
benkay: "cold wallet"
benkay: ain't a cold wallet if someone had access in the past.
mircea_popescu: shhh
mircea_popescu: this is the internet, where things are whatever anyone imagines them to be.
kakobrekla: http://i.4cdn.org/s/src/1385759866649.jpg
kakobrekla: 0 ghash :\
mircea_popescu: no, i think she gets a few hashes.
benkay: http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-google-microsoft-yahoo-to-make-pirate-sites-disappear-131129/
benkay: where's the dark search engine, eh?
benkay: to whom do i send .00001 btc for a good indexing of all of the content that us and related thugs want me kept from?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/revisiting-the-topic-of-economic-injustice-with-examples/#comment-96414 << which one of you people said that ?
ozbot: Revisiting the topic of “economic injustice”, with examples pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0007969 = 7.1721 BTC [+]
benkay: slavery's the default state, yo. just because democracy has been here for the past several however long doesn't mean that either a) it eradicated things that look like what americans would knee-jerk call 'slavery' instantly upon governmental instantiation OR b) it worked well and can be used as a demonstration of why all other forms of government are bad
benkay: regular turnover at the top is required, dammit!
benkay: and that comes with bloodshed.
mircea_popescu: he has a point tho. it doesn't HAVE to come with bloodshed.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to not arrange economic incentives so that anyone is better served by denying another's competence than by recognising it.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, democracy is possibly the worst system, inasmuch as look at all the wrangling in the forums re mpex.
benkay: democracy is worst because it tends towards denying competence instead of recognizing it?
mircea_popescu: it incentivizes people to deny competence instead of recognising it, yes.
benkay: related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
mircea_popescu: heh
benkay: it conflates competence with acreditation, too
jurov`: i dont believe democracy particularly stands out
jurov`: people promote competence only in times of need
jurov`: otherwise it's petty games
mircea_popescu: well, i'd state that as "people are willing to step on their unwarranted self delusions of grandeur and recognise other's superiority only when hunger or fear compels them to"
mircea_popescu: obviously exceptions, what we call gentlemen, exist.
mircea_popescu: these are probably going to stay exceptions
mircea_popescu: more generally : on any particular question you will always find more people who made a mistake than people who got it right. this is the very nature of error. if voting decides what's error and what's not then there will be nothing but errors.
mircea_popescu: democracy fundamentally incentivizes people to be wrong.
benkay: how? i understand the majority of a group of humans being wrong about things, but how do you get from that to democracy incentivizing people to be wrong?
mircea_popescu: well, would you rather lose the elections or win the elections ?
benkay: oh, so the guy on the podium says things that are wrong to get the votes
benkay: "i stand for giving everyone a buttcoin!"
mircea_popescu: it's visible there, but otherwise ubiquitous.
benkay: "vote derp 2020!"
mircea_popescu: why do you think people watch the crud "entertainment" produced these days ?
nubbins`: it certainly incentivizes people to pretend they know what they're doing, even when they fully do not
mircea_popescu: because it's good ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i think that's the most visible form of the thing, "so this guy can drive, well, so can I. watch me"
nubbins`: combine that with the fact that for some reason, admitting you were wrong is a death blow in politics
nubbins`: people will just drive the car off the cliff rather than let someone else take over the wheel -- or even suggest which direction to turn!
mircea_popescu: luckily we have enough cars.
nubbins`: and deep canyons
jurov`: again, doesn't a despot have to do the same?
jurov`: what's to do with democracy?
mircea_popescu: a despot has to be good enough to survive.
nubbins`: jurov, this is common among all forms of leadership
nubbins`: not restricted to democracy
mircea_popescu: the voter faces no such challenge (and in fact the only funds diverted from filing canyons with crumpled cars go to ensure elector never faces any inconvenience)
mircea_popescu: no, i really beleive it's not the same thing. the despot is perpetually at danger for hius life.
nubbins`: the politician believes his situation to be just as serious, however naively
jurov`: would that improve or impair his rational skills? i'm not sure
jurov`: being at danger for one's life can improve fighting skills... but statesman skills? dunno
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the politician is unimportant. compare the sovereigns. elector vs tyrant.
mircea_popescu: jurov` well, it may or may not improve skills, but it does incentivize the right way at least.
mircea_popescu: scared tyrants aren't particularly dangerous. it's the tyrants that perceive themselves safe, a la stalin or the voting public in france/us/sweden/etc that are dangerous.
benkay: to my naive eyes, it seems like large-scale organization requires an external threat to keep the organizing machinery even remotely functional
thestringpuller: diving and trading on mpex
thestringpuller: talkin onth eirc
mircea_popescu: the unthreatened mongols organised pretty much central asia's most complex empire.
thestringpuller: love the space future!!!!
thestringpuller: gangsta
mircea_popescu: who threatened the brits during their heyday ?
benkay: naivte...
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not outside threat, it's a certain worldview. one that deliberately opresses stupidity.
nubbins`: and to this day, ghengis khan's face festoons the walls of mongolian eateries the world over!
thestringpuller: the french?
mircea_popescu: what's come to be known as "colonialism" is the key ingredient to civilisation.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the french were quite routed after trafalgar and waterloo.
nubbins`: oh hey, finally hit $1000 on virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02901001 = 0.2611 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: dat window cleaner.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352328.msg3772410
ozbot: Efforts of Developing new Exchange Service
mircea_popescu: have no fear, there's fresh replacements.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32001402 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.320001 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00183997 = 0.2098 BTC [+]
mod6: its like whack-a-mole
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00183997 = 0.1785 BTC [+]
Duffer1: how's your game coming along MP?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not bad. now there's functioning indoors,
mircea_popescu: and a bunch of other stuff.
Duffer1: what's the site again? it's been a while since i've looked at it
mircea_popescu: you mean downloads mirror ? http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/
Duffer1: ah i meant website where i could see progress
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/category/smg/ ?
ozbot: S.MG pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Duffer1: awesome, thanks
ThickAsThieves: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/bitcoin-research-in-princeton-cs/
ozbot: Bitcoin Research in Princeton CS
ThickAsThieves: bitbet watchout!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00079654 = 6.1334 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol the guy "build an understanding of the political economy" w/o ever showing up on bitcoin-assets ?
mircea_popescu: what's with fiat academics and bold claims ?
mircea_popescu: "We showed that this is not the case, that there are infinitely many outcomes that are stable yet differ from the written rules of Bitcoin."
ThickAsThieves: i like how mp never makes bold claims
mircea_popescu: lmao. glwt srsly.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'm no academic.
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: did someone already announce this same thing 2mos ago
ThickAsThieves: the next intrade for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: There are two main difficulties: first, how can a pair of anonymous participants trade shares without a trusted party to facilitate the transaction?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: o gawdy.
ThickAsThieves: hah
ThickAsThieves: he'll make colored coins while he's at it
mircea_popescu: when we take over there's going to be a grand bronze statue of The Anonymous Derp in Bitcoin Plaza
mircea_popescu: the Anon Derp will go "hey guyse here's this new original wheel I invented all by myself in my garret!"
mircea_popescu: where's deadweasel to link him to the log. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell deadweasel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2013#399339 ☝︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: can the statue be riding a unicycle whilst making the claim?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: by all means it should.
mod6: haha
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1213.6, Best ask: 1215.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 1213.53111, 24 hour volume: 47461.30788966, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1161.81461
thestringpuller: oh wow
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.9720972, Best ask: 0.972792, Bid-ask spread: 0.00069, Last trade: 0.97203616, 24 hour volume: 46968.16654223, 24 hour low: 0.84, 24 hour high: 0.9936, 24 hour vwap: 0.929718168
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 679 @ 0.00191362 = 1.2993 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1352 @ 0.00194011 = 2.623 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1800 @ 0.00203374 = 3.6607 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0020338 = 0.1729 BTC [+]
benkay: oh look who it is
benkay: hello sir
benkay: firstblockchain: talkin to you
jcpham: yay webchat!
benkay: everybody gotta start somewhere
firstblockchain: and Ima listenin'
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079654 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/usa/dhs-canada-depression-richardson-495/
benkay: i barfed in my mouth a little
benkay: gosh it just makes no sense
benkay: give all the starving mexicans citizenship and put them on the welfare rolls, but don't let the depressed canadians in to spend tourist dollars
Duffer1: "..give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free... LOL JUST KIDDING"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00203498 = 0.1445 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: i suppose the future of medicine is having doctors sign contracts where if your information leaks they're held in strict liability.
mircea_popescu: "plz ilegallty share my medical records, it makes me 1.5k per item"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00312066 = 0.2216 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: doctors will be forced to comply with secret legislation or their info will be outright stolen by govt backdoors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00203999 = 0.304 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: sucks to be them.
Duffer1: no doubt