Vexual: the foundation had a sit down with some irrelevant bureaucrats
Vexual: i'd like to imagine they are selling it as a feature, and teaching the less relevant party to fail at chess in their first and only game
pankkake: I just got a silly job offer, feels like a spam
pankkake: "An opportunity to join the most famous & successful website in the world today - Dublin €50-60K + Bens"
pankkake: Are you a rockstar Web Developer with superb programming skills in a range of open source technologies? Would you like to work for the most famous and successful website in the world today?
pankkake: "Java, J2EE, PHP, LAMP, Javascript or Objective C" I'd rather kill myself
Vexual: good luck in dublin froggy
pankkake: HR people who try to appeal to "geeks" are annoying
kakobrekla: to bbet email> Excuse me but your buy shares button is broken. I would like to purchase some.
Vexual: whats 50k euro in real money?
pankkake: I wouldn't mind an opportunity to get out of France though
gribble: 1 BTC = 205.00000 U.S. dollars = 148.475411 Euros
Vexual: I wonder if you can drink guiness at work?
pankkake: I don't really like Guiness. Unlike women I like blondes better
Vexual: well rockstars drink what they like
Vexual: and turn up to appointments late in leather pants with no shirt on
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mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> what are the chances. << bout 80% i guess
mircea_popescu: anyway. the fsck is complete, the drives are fine, the failure was due to cosmic rays.
mircea_popescu: sent the pcb in the dead one to be cut apart, i'll have the results in a coupla weeks, i don't expect to see anything.
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Vexual: those cosmic rays are a bitch
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Vexual: you've known gadzillionz intimately billions
Apocalyptic: of course you did mircea_popescu, they penetrate you everyday
Vexual: you can get anything you want at alices resturant
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Vexual: whats the craic nubbins`?
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Vexual: does anyone have thousghts on 0.9?
Vexual: are you smoking funny cigarettes krs1?
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Vexual: sideways soup analysis in full effect
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ozbot: The Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight ( HQ, Full Version ) - YouTube
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Vexual: elegance cannot be imitated
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Vexual: and there are no terms of reference but itself
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Vexual: stick that in your machine learning and smoke it
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Vexual: google dumbed down their systems 2 years ago to appear to have progressed. it's the state of misinfo
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darby: interesting tactic
Vexual: even nsa dont have one hundred thosadnth of a good brain
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ozbot: RITA MARLEY "That's The Way Jah Jah Planned It" Paradiso, Amsterdam 2010 - YouTube
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ozbot: The Streets - Turn the Page - YouTube
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Vexual: ill interrrupt joss stone for your cool handle darby
Vexual: success of a human hive, i like it
Vexual: now the patterns in one mans greay soup tell me i like you
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Vexual: two lists and a delicate interface, wait and see what i do with 80 bytes
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ozbot: Yes Sir Boss ft Joss Stone - Come Together - YouTube
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Vexual: tropical varieties are still a rarity, but i think pankkake has something called pif?
ozbot: Cypress Hill feat Method Man & Redman - Red Meth & B - YouTube
Vexual: kanos avatar is still an offence to my schooling
Vexual: now that my master is dead by the blade of his son
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Vexual: it sits in a police station
Vexual: it should be melted and cast to sea
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ozbot: Tricky - 'Hell Is Round the Corner' - YouTube
Vexual: my master tagt me the finer parts of linux, cad, fine art, sailing, swordsmanship and judo
Vexual: also cheaper motorcycles and native relations
ozbot: Billy Bunks - Hookers - YouTube
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Vexual: its all a grand tapestryu
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Vexual: you're full of funny ideas
Vexual: this wis ulti mately betterer
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Vexual: dub you win some aussie goodness for being so clever with korean 3d
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ozbot: Pop Porn - Regurgitator - YouTube
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Vexual: blame it on the cosmic rays
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assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC
jurov: hm, mpex still fscking...
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ozbot: Wolff: How CEOs are clueless about technology
jurov: ^ for anyone who is still fearing govt will kill bitcoin
pankkake: are there people who really fear that? or simply think they will *try* (which is annoying enough)
pankkake: I don't really see the relation with the article though
mircea_popescu: see, a drive popped yest. so this was suspicious, was looked into extensively. nothing found. new drive was put in.
mircea_popescu: that particular power strip apparently puts noise in burns drives. i have no spare powers because a lot of shit in there.
pankkake: hard drives are very capricious… power, cables, airflow :/
mircea_popescu: anyway, no attack, no data loss, no anything. just fucking obnoxious power.
jurov: mircea ic, you thought too hard about good entropy sources.. so one got manifest :D
pankkake: I tested my appartment, depending on the wall it has bad ground or reversed polarity. must have been wired by monkeys
lurker: the best electricians!
KRS1: hush you are supposed to be lurking
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davout: pankkake: reversed polarity? with alternative current?
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pankkake: well, I don't know really, of course it doesn't make sense. but something was reversed according to my tester
davout: pankkake: where did you learn electronics? bfl?
pankkake: I had the lowest score of my last eletronic classes actually!
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mpexbot: smickles: No new messages received.
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jcpham: greetings and salutations
nubbins`: i've got this condition where it's really difficult for me to find the ketchup in the fridge
abracadabra: put a big yellow flag on the ketchup bottle
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Azelphur: mpex fought the law and the...mpex won
bob_: almost. some stuff is weird.
nubbins`: abracadabra: i seriously searched for 30 minutes last night. open the fridge this morning, ketchup sitting alone on the bottom shelf
bob_: heh. the s.nsa ipo is back on!
bob_: looks like 10 days of data missing. well, those trades probably weren't important anyway :D
the20year: what exchanges are working decently?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: one of the big problems with higher education is that students think "ok, i just attend these classes, get this degree, and i'm employable", which is just not true. getting a university degree, college diploma, whatever, doesn't mean you're employable, doesn't mean you have skills, doesn't mean you know how to do anything besides graduate from a program. the value isn't in the degre
nubbins`: or the individual classes, the value is being in an environment where you have ready access to the tools you need to educate *yourself*. nobody understands this anymore, and so they just show up and mope through classes and go home, not communicating with people who could offer advice, not seeking out opportunities to gain useful knowledge. just going through the motions and passing tests until the
nubbins`: get a sheet of paper that says "B.Sc. (hons)", and then working a shit retail job until one day they realize (or not) what they should have been doing all along
nubbins`: and it takes a 3 minute job interview to separate those who went through the motions from those who took the opportunity to educate themselves
pankkake: getting drunk with friends were the best learning experiences I got from higher education
pankkake: didn't even bother coming back for the diplomas
nubbins`: spending six years learning that i didn't want to spend the rest of my life working in an office was the best learning experience i got
nubbins`: very, very expensive lesson, but sometimes it must be so
KRS-: nubbins: not sure if you went to college or not, I did and I learned a lot. A lot of what you said is true, but you can't discount a degree someone has attained.
jurov: so... since mpex now advises to vent our rage here... y u no backup machine mircea???
nubbins`: KRS-: i spent 6 years in university. i'm discounting the notion that possession of a degree automatically confers knowledge, wisdom, or experience. :)
nubbins`: i know lots of very intelligent university-educated people, but i also know some complete fucking morons with the same credentials
KRS-: Ok I see what you are saying and you are right. Those who are just good test takers who finished a program stick out like a sore thumb imo.
bob_: certainly not experience, but it does generally mean some knowledge.
KRS-: Most of the time you can tell just by talking to them.
pankkake: I wouldn't employ most of the people who got the diplomas I got
bob_: CS majors know what O(n) means. English majors who taught themselves html do not.
jurov: nubbins`: i'd reject such advice before my 3rd uni year as outright blasphemous
nubbins`: well, that's the problem. kids are throwing tens of $ away, under the impression that it will make a difference in their lives. but unless they have the drive to take what they want and the self-awareness to know what it is, it'll never be anything more than a costly waste of time for them
the20year: I'm still pretty happy with the fact I have never attended formal college
nubbins`: tens of $? lel. tens of thousands of $
nubbins`: this is why a bachelor's degree is the new standard for employability
the20year: I wonder how much that piece of paper would cost me
nubbins`: completely avoiding the fact that they're as useless now as a HS diploma was not long ago
mircea_popescu: jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.
jurov: btw, i'd happily employ genial teenagers.. but how to find them and how to keep them motivated for my cause?
KRS-: the20year: cost me $60 I got 2% for 12 years financing still paying lol
nubbins`: you can't "keep" people motivated
mircea_popescu: you know genial = friendly, happy people. genius is prolly what you mean
jurov: the20year: can you elaborate?
nubbins`: ah a hiring system. why has nobody thought of this!
nubbins`: can part of the system be "nobody gives a fuck if you have a degree"
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nubbins`: anyway. walk around any campus and ask some young faces why they're there. see how many say "because my parents expect this of me". see how many are thinking the same but are ashamed to admit it.
nubbins`: can you think of a bigger waste of money? or TIME?
the20year: Personally, i try and develop a plan of finding people who can be motivated, either by time or money, then provide a roadmap so they can see how they will gain good income for working with me over a set period of time
the20year: I hate hourly pay, so what I typically offer is contract pricing, pay-for-performace models, so as they get better ,their wages automatically increase, and then if they don't work well they'll quit on their own without dragging down the company too much
nubbins`: as compared to spending time figuring out what you want from life
jurov: the20year: the coworking space i'm affiliated to, is trying exactly this
jurov: and it is all but easy
the20year: That's how I run RentalStarter, working with contractors
the20year: Hit the goals? You get a bonus. Miss them? You make less money
nubbins`: university is just a 4 (or more) year extension on the autopilot that's been running these kids' lives
the20year: Pretty much, they do what they're told without thinking
the20year: My cousin went to school for history, then he realized he can't get a job there, so now he's getting another degree in logistics
jurov: again, what alternative do you suggest?
the20year: I asked him "Who are you applying to after college" and he didn't think he could get employed ,even though a logistics degree is amazing to have
jurov: you know, just telling them this outright does *not* work
nubbins`: i suggest not going to university. at least, not until you know what the fuck you want and have at least a general idea of how to get it
nubbins`: but suggestions are advice, and the funny thing about advice is that nobody wants to hear it until they're ready
nubbins`: and nobody's ready until they've sunk $60k into a degree in german film, or history, or biology
jurov: i could have had a business, even in opensource development long ago (nerd's wet dream i guess), but was afraid how to explain to everyone around
jurov: because...how it can be more important than school?
nubbins`: EVERYTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SCHOOL
the20year: Most will have to learn the hard way
the20year: I ask people to spend no less than 30 hours of research on the degree they want, speicifcally in how it will improve employability
the20year: I don't know how many people I know with psycology degrees who are flipping burgers still
nubbins`: science degrees are the biggest trick of all
jurov: also, i was not able to put consistent work output then due to psych problems
the20year: And I asked them all "When you saw that the unemployment rate for someone with that degree is 20% or more, why did you think it was a good idea?"
nubbins`: what the fuck are you gonna do with a biology degree? become a biologist?
nubbins`: great, how about the other 200 people in your graduating class?
nubbins`: working at pet stores and Liquor Mart
jurov: but they can't get somewhere where they have maths! even if their life depends on it...
nubbins`: now, to be fair, i'm squarely in the group of people who figured this all out after the fact
nubbins`: so it's not like i did things the smart way
nubbins`: but in my defense, i was told that this shit was basically a golden ticket
nubbins`: the other half of this is that people tend to settle. "well, i'm done school, no more learning for me"
nubbins`: and they just stop taking in new information and learning new skills
nubbins`: that's almost worse, spinning your wheels so slowly that you don't even notice you're sinking into the mud
KRS-: thats what makes the difference between a ceo and someone who spends their life in their entry-level position
nubbins`: but i think the problem in a lot of cases is that people just don't want anything
nubbins`: they're content to just float along
the20year: Why not? The government will take care of them
nubbins`: every now and then they have an attack of guilt at the waste their life has become, but why dwell on that when it would take so much effort to change!
the20year: in modern society there's no problem, punishment or negative towards someone who doesn't want to do anything with life
bob_: not everything is more important than school. i'm looking at a resume right now that does not have a college listed, but does have that he attended "tony robbins - power to influence"
bob_: i'd rather see a degree
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nubbins`: the20year: let me find you a quote
the20year: "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
bob_: yeah, i think tony robbins said that.
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nubbins`: "The Brutor takes pride in the troubles of their life because it all adds to their stature. They marvel at failure, such as bad grades in school, or getting hassled by cops who tell them only to move along. ... Any punishment for his actions becomes a badge and holds no real consequence because jail is holding him back from nothing but killing time"
ozbot: Anthony Robbins- Tony Robbins Persist to Achieve - YouTube
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jurov: it's impossible to some day decide "i'll be persistent" and stick to it for years
nubbins`: correct. persistence is a skill like any other
jurov: if you're otherwise happe and satiated
nubbins`: jurov: happy and satiated are not synonyms
jurov: i did not say that
nubbins`: many people are unhappy, yet satiated
nubbins`: being happy *and* satiated? you've got it knocked. don't change a thing.
jurov: man starts very unhappy or hungry. then one sets their goals to prevent it happening again
KRS-: a degree at the very least shows that someone can stick to something and complete it..for that, comes some value. as a hiring manager i'd rather see a degree.
nubbins`: KRS-: arguably the only concrete value a degree holds
nubbins`: but there are plenty of other ways to prove that
KRS-: the importance them comes down to whether or not you can tell if someone is just a good test taker or actually has knowledge and knows how to apply it
nubbins`: how many interviewees see it as yet another test that they must figure out how to pass
nubbins`: wholly missing the point of the entire exercise
nubbins`: and ending up in an unsatisfying job?
KRS-: but how many times have people been hired just because they can spit good game at an interview only to find out they are incompetent jerkoffs
KRS-: salesmen come to mind
nubbins`: i used to work with a girl who had a B.Eng. with honors, and she wrote the worst code i've ever seen. variables called "resultset1" and "string3", seriously
nubbins`: "why the fuck did you guys hire her?"
nubbins`: "she was great in the interview"
nubbins`: no, she was just smart on paper and knew how to interview
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nubbins`: but that didn't quite overcome her crippling lack of social skills or job knowledge
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jurov: mircea_popescu: seems my rant about not having spare machine for mpex got lost
jurov: but i insist, why you have to wait for The One Holy Server to be rebuilt?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.
kakobrekla: yeah but reduncancy doenst have to kill centralisation
jurov: nubbins` how it precludes having regularly updated spare server?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem is centralisation + security as a combo.
mircea_popescu: you CAN seamlessly failover on errors, if the result of errors is nil and convenience of not having errors is what counts.
mircea_popescu: however, if the result of errors is not nil, you can't just shrug and move on
mircea_popescu: in my case, i have to, everytime something unexpected happens, see why the fuck it happened before i can move on
nubbins`: or, put another way, a backup box is no good if it's a backup of a compromised machine
jurov: hm... so next time psu or raid controller dies, we'll be few days offline, again. cuz it could been a hack?
bob_: right, but, if you had a backup, once you decided it was just a power problem that fried your drive, you could recover faster.
mircea_popescu: bob_ yes, in principle. see, here's the thing : the more complex the security model becomes, by that very fact the more complex recovery processes become
mircea_popescu: at some point the dilemma is, "either people will complain becauyse it takes too long, or people will complain because x edge case wasn't covered in the security design"
bob_: agreed with the theory, but in practice you could probably reduce the downtime with some improvements to architecture.
jurov: i mean, if you can do process with one machine, you can do the same with the second one with small marginal costs
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jurov: to have at least hardware fails covered
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but then at some point you have machines in disagreement. how do you resolve this ?
mircea_popescu: so would you have a faster & better main server, or a shittier main so the back-up is there ?
mircea_popescu: depends, right ? if you never have catastrophic failures of the sort, the incremental gain from the better server is everyone's benefit.
mircea_popescu: however, if you do noboduy cares you were < .1 seconds forever, cause well... days offline.
jurov: well i'm all for shitty servers, and lots of them... you gonna scale up and hadle faults quickly someday anyway
mircea_popescu: anwyay, mpex is very much an adaptive beast. it's the best i can do, honestly, because i don't know the correct way to build bitcoin systems
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 130 @ 0.05510001 = 7.163 BTC [-] {2}
bob_: we are trying to figure that out :) since you don't allow high-frequency trading anyway, nobody cares if it's < .1 seconds or < .2 seconds.
mircea_popescu: yes, 99% of the time 99% of your shit isn't at work / needed.
kakobrekla: im just joking btw. i dont have a license to drive a bus.
bob_: so given that security is the most important thing, and we all understand the complexities involved, I think we can still agree that 2 days down for a failed hard drive probably warrents a blame-less post mortem with the goal of improving the system for the future?
mircea_popescu: blameless or blameful, you know ? what can i do, i'm doing it.
mircea_popescu: but for all the shortcomings of distributed models, which exist, the centralised model has its problems.
jurov: well, just sayin'. maybe you study all chips with electron microscope and then second machine would really double whole expense...
mircea_popescu: well, see, before the 2nd drive went in and got fried, i had already sent the 1st to be cut up
mircea_popescu: so now i will get a pretty expensive lab bill saying "power fluctuations caused bla bla bla"
pankkake: is it any good? I only read the Frank Herbert originals
nubbins`: a lot of people who like Frank's really dislike Brian's, but i enjoyed it
lurker: not the same style, not the same depth - forget the herbert name and it's decent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 150 @ 0.07374266 = 11.0614 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 90 @ 0.075 = 6.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 24 @ 0.074 = 1.776 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 100 @ 0.075 = 7.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00530115 = 0.5301 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00530073 = 0.5089 BTC [-] {2}
kleeck: I can't deal with that level of fail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00569993 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569993 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005301 = 0.5301 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 450 @ 0.000499 = 0.2246 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0056 = 0.56 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005391 = 0.5391 BTC [-] {3}
KRS-: lol jurov i'm in I.T. i feel your pain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 470 @ 0.00049953 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {2}
jborkl: I am angry just watching that video
kakobrekla: well a little sync practice and is good to go
nubbins`: he obviously didn't do a dry run of his presentation before the real thing, hey?
jcpham: shouldn't adviser be advisor
nubbins`: i think a lot of things should be other things
jcpham: in areica there is no such thing as an adviser
jcpham: all i see are grammatical errors already
jcpham: first few notes of floyd and dancing lost me
kakobrekla: The whole r/bitcointip subreddit still doesn’t tell me shit so I just google “default bitcoin address” and get this lovely address in return.
kakobrekla: That seems like a good address. I decide to send my bitcoins there to that nice guy or gal can do something great in the world with that money.
bob_: holee shit. asciilifeform - the force behind s.nsa - is from washington DC? conspiracy!
the20year: how difficult is it to get a lsiting on there?
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 6106 BTC profit, 62.0k BTC invested, 210.04 mio bets, 4.29 mio BTC wagered
dexX7: i don't know, but mp is the one who approves the listings, i guess
the20year: trying to figure out what I should do if BF closes shop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.0053 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 208.00200, Best ask: 209.50000, Bid-ask spread: 1.49800, Last trade: 209.49999, 24 hour volume: 10670.51827506, 24 hour low: 200.42000, 24 hour high: 209.79000, 24 hour vwap: 206.06603
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5814 = 1.7442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5813 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.5720901 = 15.4464 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00522592 = 0.2822 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Blockchain.info celebrates 500,000 wallets with free bitcoins : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0051 = 0.102 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: They will offer one platform for LTC, BTC and XPM
skinnkavaj: All profits from fee trading will bee through that SKETIS.INVEST
skinnkavaj: I think they will overtake a lot of Litecoinglboal and BTCT trading
skinnkavaj: And XPM security trading will be interesting.
Apocalyptic: <skinnkavaj> And XPM security trading will be interesting. // i lol'd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.07599999 = 0.38 BTC [+]
skinnkavaj: Valuation for all 3 exchanges: 250K LTC.. Currently worth = 2782 BTC
skinnkavaj: It's an investment in both LTC and their 3 exchange platform.
pankkake: I've been thinking about starting an xpm mining operation (there are some cheap deals you can profit from), but it certainly wouldn't be denominated in xp
skinnkavaj: Apocalyptic: Tell me a better investment.
dexX7: skinnkavaj: are you behind www.litecoininvest.com?
pankkake: the coin that can be 51% attacked with $1000 + amazon ec2
skinnkavaj: dexX7: Not behind it, but bought shares today.
dexX7: so are you operating a passthrough or what?
Apocalyptic: skinnkavaj, "better" in what sense ? more reward potential ? less risky ? better ratio ?
skinnkavaj: SKETIS.INVEST is officially from Litecoininvest
dexX7: ah so you are just promoting it?
skinnkavaj: dexX7: No one has told me to do that. I do it because I am a share holder, this is asset channel and to rub profits in pankkake and Apocalyptics face latero n.
dexX7: because it wasn't clear what your role was
dexX7: and skinn... and sketis sound more or less similar D:
skinnkavaj: This week they will be launching their BTC security exchange
skinnkavaj: I have no URL though. It's not presented yet.
dexX7: he should open a thread on btctalk
mod6: speaking of bad drives, my lappy drive died also :<
jurov: RIP. these fkn chemtrails, you know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053 = 0.2491 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534941 = 0.1337 BTC [+]
ozbot: BBC News - China and ECB sign $57bn currency swap deal
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.99000, Best ask: 207.40932, Bid-ask spread: 0.41932, Last trade: 206.96100, 24 hour volume: 10522.93290146, 24 hour low: 200.42000, 24 hour high: 209.79000, 24 hour vwap: 206.35675
gribble: Current Blocks: 266611 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 1516 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 477002656.823 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.01779
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0037 seconds
lurker: samn, I wanted to buy for 20M$ in BTC. I guess the Vii will have to be patient...
pankkake: it's probably only looking at mtgox though
gribble: A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 4511753.5588 USD and would take the last price up to 248.6458 USD, resulting in an average price of 225.5877 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 94.1080 seconds
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 107.4166 seconds
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 37088.785 bitcoins, for a total of 6626978770.6762 USD and take the price to 99999999999.0000. | Data vintage: 113.4446 seconds
pankkake: perhaps they'll buy DPR's coins!
pankkake: yeah, the advantage is that there is no shortage of them :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.31501013 = 5.0402 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31501012 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.31501009 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.31500016 = 2.835 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 207.99400, vol: 10505.75742485 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 195.37, vol: 12532.34495373 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 188.88, vol: 8286.85443 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 195.85, vol: 3319.8770489 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 185.98, vol: 336.11482793 | Volume-weighted last average: 197.579214505
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00105014 = 0.105 BTC [-] {4}
lurker: TAT: decentralization is essential. BTC enemy n°1 is centralization (51% yada yada)
pankkake: centralization is often misunderstood. for instance, mining isn't becoming centralized
lurker: BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough.
lurker: pankakke: it's being concentrated ATM
lurker: technically, it's not a spelling mistake since it's a name :P
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: Did you short your AM PTs all the way down?
Bugpowder: Looks like my call to short it at 1BTC would have been profitable, if I had pulled the trigged and not gotten stopped out. :-P
mircea_popescu: i mean "BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough". what's enough and how do you know ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 877 @ 0.00501262 = 4.3961 BTC [-] {16}
lurker: mircea_popescu: there might be a way to attack this mathematically but I don't know if there is an exact answer to "how much". The extreme min. would be to have 2 trusted but untrusting miners.
lurker: However, that means a lot of centralization will have happened.
lurker: I can see this if these 2 miners are, say, banks, with lots of customers, all using bitcoin.
lurker: The problem is getting from where we are to there.