assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00067 = 0.067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5557 @ 0.00066216 = 3.6796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.000657 = 6.8328 BTC [-]
dub: dude is beyond retarded
dub: They accused Megaupload owner Kim Dotcom of a number of criminal indictments and begun a legal case.
dub: ENGLISH motherfucker
pigeons: is anyone's name on that article?
pigeons: "Bitcoin is more than drugs, sex and criminal gangsters. "
pigeons: are you fucking kidding me?
dub: the official drooling mouthbreather of bitcoin pr
pigeons: i've not heard of bitvoucher
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.0066063 = 0.9909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 29 @ 0.00654141 = 0.1897 BTC [-]
dub: you can actually see the stupid in his face in that shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4142 @ 0.000657 = 2.7213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00065642 = 0.9846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9558 @ 0.00065621 = 6.2721 BTC [-]
dub: mircea_popescu: iirc him and the interscamgo set were in with vlad from teh start?
BitHub: can i buy any mega shares? :P
mircea_popescu: i don't think the minions (taaki, vlad, whatgever) are in with anyone particularly.
dub: meh, I tuned out after they published teh first cover
pigeons: Currently, only New Zealand and Bermuda merchants can use zipbit's services
dub: thats like, 18 people?
mircea_popescu: so basically zipbit's patrick harnett's secret grinch project
pigeons: clickt "list of participants and its 403 forbidden
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11335 @ 0.00066216 = 7.5056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2965 @ 0.00067449 = 1.9999 BTC [+]
pigeons: Trevor Slater, General Manager
pigeons: Trendon did say he was "working for Bitcoin" too
dub: those people worked for the govt banking disputes resolution scheme, unlikely to be mega shills
mircea_popescu: pretty soon the scammers allied with the idiots will dominate everything
pigeons: Bruce Wagner, Human Resources
pigeons: Jonathan Ryan Owens, Marketing
dub: whats jokey about it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00065785 = 3.5524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00065621 = 1.3124 BTC [-]
pigeons: but he gets to hire the interns this way
dub: fscl just looks like an advisory service for ombudsman cases
dub: financial ambulance chasers
dub: its nothing like that at all from first glance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5335 @ 0.00067449 = 3.5984 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068034 = 2.9397 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00068035 = 1.2246 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00068254 = 1.9964 BTC [+]
pigeons: FSCL is an independent not-for-profit External Dispute Resolution (EDR) scheme
dub: they take your case to the DRS and clip the ticket
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
pigeons: truffles: no, this is where you make a complaint against patrick harnett, he recuses himself and his friends say he should nake some token gesture and be cleared
pigeons: borrowed tons of money at super-high rates, had his own "credit rating agency" that said all these stoners were "no risk", ran a passthrogh to ponzi@40,
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5000 @ 0.00067 = 3.35 BTC [+]
pigeons: made an agreement with mircea_popescu to invest someof his money in his lending business that would not be in pirate, flat out lied and everyone in that security that mp ran an etf that held some, they all lost
pigeons: right he was in MPCDO or whatever?
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.00626 = 0.0438 BTC [+]
pigeons: i have these in hi-res if you want them for printing high quality posters
pigeons: i'll stop, but i like to share
wao: like someone is selfposting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065921 = 2.8484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00065906 = 4.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00065906 = 1.7603 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 31448 @ 0.00067 = 21.0702 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00069 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1000 @ 0.0007 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.00078 = 0.0078 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00079 = 0.0024 BTC [+]
zanz: anyone got any info on how to actually make money using mpex.co?
zanz: like any info on or around the subject
pigeons: zanz, you buy stuff low and sell high, or you buy and hold and receive monthly dividends, or you buy and sell puts and calls on the price of bitcoin
zanz: ah yes, my days of the eve stock exchange have come back to me. how big is it atm? cheers for the good responses by the way
mircea_popescu: if you catch bugpowder online sometime you could probably bug him for tips, i think he's one of the more successful traders
zanz: cheers bud. see reddit is now accepting bitcoins...
pigeons: how's your learn japanese site usagi?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0063 = 1.89 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 27.38000, Best ask: 27.39978, Bid-ask spread: 0.01978, Last trade: 27.14000, 24 hour volume: 18524.25762086, 24 hour low: 26.80750, 24 hour high: 27.49989, 24 hour vwap: 27.16598
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.00079 = 0.0063 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: have you heard from smickles outside the channel (email/anything else) I'm slightly worried.
thestringpuller: Not as of yet. I don't need anything, I was just hoping he was okay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00065792 = 12.336 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.00065621 = 1.8649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 358 @ 0.00065554 = 0.2347 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: did he take the money and run? I would hate to insinuate as much.
pigeons: he's not been around for about 2 weeks, that's not unprecedented for him
pigeons: oh my i dont know about money and communication
pigeons: if he is your broker and didnt say anything and gone for 2 weeks thats different
pigeons: right assuming he's not answered your emails
mircea_popescu: i dunno that he's had that much money to run with anyway
mircea_popescu: he certainly had hundreds of my btcs at various past points (none atm)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00065681 = 5.1888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00065806 = 8.9167 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 372 @ 0.00637 = 2.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1509 @ 0.00654141 = 9.871 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17142 @ 0.00065554 = 11.2373 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14676 @ 0.00065526 = 9.6166 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065806 = 1.9742 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2674 @ 0.00065526 = 1.7522 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10757 @ 0.0006552 = 7.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065493 = 5.7634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5353 @ 0.00065485 = 3.5054 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00065476 = 10.6071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00065465 = 8.936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065447 = 1.9634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1109 @ 0.00065445 = 0.7258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00065261 = 9.9523 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0006519 = 1.9557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10208 @ 0.00065072 = 6.6425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00064875 = 1.8509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064838 = 2.1397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1246 @ 0.0006466 = 0.8057 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00639 = 0.0192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 47 @ 0.00639 = 0.3003 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 700 @ 0.0063 = 4.41 BTC [+]
dub: listen very carefully I shall post this only once
dub: zee train was bummed
mircea_popescu: siome fat fuck nobody cares about trying to hang on so the spotlight.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006466 / 0.00066815 / 0.00068894 (1489738 shares, 995.38 BTC), 7D: 0.0006153 / 0.00064431 / 0.00068894 (13311812 shares, 8,577.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066235 / 0.0007 (74869311 shares, 49,589.96 BTC)
gribble: Error: "bc,next" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc,nb" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "bc,nextblock" is not a valid command.
DeadWeasel: what exchanges to buy/sell btc do you use?
DeadWeasel: first, fuck coinbase, second, what exchanges do you use?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4171 @ 0.0006466 = 2.697 BTC [-]
DeadWeasel: i only want to hold, but I want my accounts set up for the future
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1904 @ 0.0063 = 11.9952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00671476 = 1.343 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 2000 asic miners shares for sale now before i list them on the forum pm me if interested.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064581 = 2.7905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5077 @ 0.0006458 = 3.2787 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3767 @ 0.00064571 = 2.4324 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: who wants to be an escrow for 800 plus btc? :)
kakobrekla: what does a forum account have to do with this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064624 = 2.7924 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12056 @ 0.00064649 = 7.7941 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: when friedcat hands then out, i send to their account and then i get the btc from escrow
Chaang-Noi: i assume that is what the others are doing
kakobrekla: there must be a good way to verify delivery
Chaang-Noi: honestly i dont know, but this is how the others are doing it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 912 @ 0.00064649 = 0.5896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00065806 = 0.2632 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00065829 = 7.5565 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13009 @ 0.00065933 = 8.5772 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if nothing else ill just tell friedcat who bought what, i asked him about my saelling it and he okayed it
kakobrekla: are those bonds going to be publicly traded?
kakobrekla: but if you want me to do escrow i have to know how its going down
Chaang-Noi: yeah, there are some things that have not been answered by friedcat
Chaang-Noi: he is working on the asics and well no one really seems to care
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2361 @ 0.00064582 = 1.5248 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 424 @ 0.00064571 = 0.2738 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so apparently someone's blasting btc-e off da internets.
Chaang-Noi: yeah mp it has been going on for a few days
Chaang-Noi: i trust them not to work with dea/fbi cia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065927 = 2.8487 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6341 @ 0.00065933 = 4.1808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5587 @ 0.0006633 = 3.7059 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: they use btc-e to launder their money...
Chaang-Noi: also the best use of alt coins ever...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064587 = 2.7908 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6402 @ 0.00064571 = 4.1338 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: its not like they dont have piles of btc to pay for shit that works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 607 @ 0.00064571 = 0.3919 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064553 = 2.7893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00064552 = 10.877 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1186 @ 0.000643 = 0.7626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065073 = 2.8118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00065103 = 9.8631 BTC [+]
B0g4r7: Isn't there like a 2700 btc bounty for new forum software?
Chaang-Noi: maybe theymos will kill it and run off with the money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17723 @ 0.00066085 = 11.7122 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00066085 = 1.4195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34 @ 0.00066085 = 0.0225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064333 = 2.7798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1579 @ 0.00064332 = 1.0158 BTC [-]
knotwork: check offers in #ripple-market
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9392 @ 0.00064332 = 6.0421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 384 @ 0.000643 = 0.2469 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9474 @ 0.00064268 = 6.0888 BTC [-]
jcpham: Becuase it's mysterious
jcpham: Xrp = ripple for sure though
OneFixt: it's very mysterious, and i'd like to buy it
Chaang-Noi: im not interested and wont be until they explain how things work:/
Chaang-Noi: also, i do not like debt and well.. it seems all they trade in is debt.
Chaang-Noi: selling gold and or silver shipped from the usa, will take btc or ltc, escrow is fine.
Chaang-Noi: im not sure if i will sell in the future but feel free to ask. im sure my price will be better than anyone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5966 @ 0.00064705 = 3.8603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00064739 = 1.9415 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i was going to sell 1 oz englhard bars 1 oz each, they have serial numbers on them
Chaang-Noi: i also have 1/10 1/4 and 1/2 krugerands but not at spot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2797 @ 0.00064268 = 1.7976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.0006425 = 8.3846 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6153 @ 0.00064237 = 3.9525 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: one thing that might hurt me is if the btc price correct down to $20 before i can get beer/education
Chaang-Noi: my gold/silver is more or less my fiat savings
jcpham: I'm a plain ol boring working stiff
jcpham: I have money rolling in all the time
Chaang-Noi: no one seems to want to higher me for some odd reason
jcpham: I live check to check and i piss on everything
jcpham: Chaang-Noi you should definitely donate to my save the children fund
jcpham: My children are poor are really would enjoy heat
jcpham: It's nearly freezing outside...
Chaang-Noi: lol, i has my own children, and i do donate to kids here in thailand
Chaang-Noi: about 5 miles from here there is an orphange for kids with aids,
jcpham: You are a cold hearted bastard
jcpham: I steal power from the local orphanage
Chaang-Noi: lol, did a big christmas thing for the last two years, two years ago took donations from the forum in the form of btc. sadly i converted that to fiat for them. btc was like $3 back then
Chaang-Noi: i have no idea about that sort of stuff sorry
Chaang-Noi: my wife is more into that kinda stuff than i...
Chaang-Noi: and she is not at all into that sorta stuff :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1322 @ 0.00064739 = 0.8558 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3411 @ 0.0006474 = 2.2083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064706 = 2.7959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15427 @ 0.0006474 = 9.9874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00064908 = 4.7454 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sooo... bitcoin just got mentioned on coast to coast am
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00064718 = 3.9154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21389 @ 0.00064908 = 13.8832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00065406 = 11.2498 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00065691 = 3.2517 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 411 @ 0.00066206 = 0.2721 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00068 = 0.068 BTC [-]
Namworld: just to say that BitVPS shares still appear on STATS, somehow. I guess that was not removed yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 647 @ 0.00064237 = 0.4156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064231 = 2.7754 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.0006423 = 4.324 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6040 @ 0.0063 = 38.052 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'll need more S.DICE soon at this rate...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00999 = 0.04 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 563 @ 0.01 = 5.63 BTC [+]
Namworld: Someone's been buying a lot of my stuff it seems.
Namworld: and bitcointalk seems like it's perpetually having problems loading this past week.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6000 @ 0.0064 = 38.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3000 @ 0.00649 = 19.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00687 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: that puts sdice pretty evenly priced on all exchanges now
Namworld: I think he is around here sometimes indeed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065058 = 2.8112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13229 @ 0.00065091 = 8.6109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00065091 = 2.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00065199 = 2.5049 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3939 @ 0.00065446 = 2.5779 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6048 @ 0.00065886 = 3.9848 BTC [+]
jurov: !ticker btctc bitvps
assbot: [BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00449 / 0.0045 / 0.00449 (510 shares, 2.3 BTC), 7D: 0.00449 / 0.0 / 0.0045 (610 shares, 2.7 BTC), 30D: 0.00449 / 0.0 / 0.0045 (610 shares, 2.7 BTC)
Namworld: A bit out of whack, especially since we're not turning a profit at all, at least right now.
Namworld: We should soon have another owned server. That should slash ~600 USD a month in rent fees.
Namworld: But with BTC rising much faster than our USD profits...
Namworld: Our price are adjusted based on rate after all. More USD/BTC, less BTC we get.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064584 = 2.7907 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9679 @ 0.00064555 = 6.2483 BTC [-]
Namworld: the most reknown server provider in Bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064568 = 2.79 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7921 @ 0.00064555 = 5.1134 BTC [-]
Namworld: We're hosting slush's pool and clarkmoody.com among other notorious bitcoin websites.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.331 = 0.662 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.33 = 0.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00064368 = 6.0506 BTC [-]
pigeons: ah i cant argue mircea_popescu against Namworld_afk in the btct.co order matching issue
pigeons: why doesn't mpex allow asset issuers and the exchange to present a deliberately false picture of asset demand by allowing a user to bid up to his total balance for eash mpsic?
mircea_popescu: pigeons because mpex is built to be fast. when a new order comes in the trade engine does not have the time to check if its book is covered.
pigeons: instead of requiring full collateral to back each order
pigeons: are the non-speed issues sufficient consideration?
mircea_popescu: of course they are. the only reason irl books contain unpaid orders is because they are still binding, but irl has credit.
mircea_popescu: and people don't get to put things in the book that aren't credit-worthy and leverage-able over their eyes.
ThickAsThieves: would you say btctc/ltcglobal should remove the false bidding power? Or that it's no biggie?
mircea_popescu: it's also a race condition waiting to happen, which they'll discover just as soon as rthey're forced to implement multimachine systems
mircea_popescu: which is quite possibly "never", so why shouldn't they have their fun ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.71 = 1.42 BTC [-]
pigeons: in the case of orders backed by credit, those are acutally backed by credit, unbacked orders don't contribute less to distortion just because margin exist
mircea_popescu: yes, the confusion here is between "i feel i could afford a car" and "i can actually afford a car".
mircea_popescu: the latter can be the case even if you have no more than 3 dollars in your pocket.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0006567 = 2.6268 BTC [+]
pigeons: i think intentionally profiting from a distored picture of demand and liquidity is unethical
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.00068 = 0.0041 BTC [-]
Ukto: i have already stated my opinion on it, not going to rehash it
pigeons: i used to think that they should do what they like, even though you are right, but now i think all these little innacuracies add up and we shoulod draw the line sooner
mircea_popescu: pigeons that may be. it is also a self-limiting disease so.
Bugpowder: Sold a kid with braces 20BTC yesterday
Bugpowder: he was like... I can't buy into the stock market yet
Bugpowder: I bought me first coins a month and a half ago and I'm up $10 / coin
Bugpowder: coinbase I think is really making the US retail market explode
mircea_popescu: coast to coast am got a question from a marti in romania yest
mircea_popescu: about 10 minutes after going "o, yurpeans are a lot more sensible about money and stuff"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.0006567 = 1.5334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22865 @ 0.0006583 = 15.052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065506 = 2.8305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19843 @ 0.00065492 = 12.9956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 336 @ 0.0006525 = 0.2192 BTC [-]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 26.43004, Best ask: 26.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06996, Last trade: 26.42003, 24 hour volume: 37853.90052231, 24 hour low: 26.08801, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.82858
mircea_popescu: pigeons do you happen to have somewhere nearby the famous "with blood sweat and tears" email from our friend tom ?
pigeons: i listended to coast to coast years ago but when it was people calling in saying" oh my god i looked at my clock and it was 2:22, there are no coincidences" i had to give it up
pigeons: "like a few weeks later, i thought about it and looked at a different clock and it was 3:33
pigeons: thye regularly had whole shows where everyone would call in and tell about how that happens when they look at the clock too
mircea_popescu: pigeons supposedly there's ~4-5 mn listeners that got hit
mircea_popescu: prolly 90% of them would fit like toes in a silk stocking on bitcointalk
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 26.45000, Best ask: 26.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 26.45000, 24 hour volume: 38095.04921954, 24 hour low: 26.08801, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.82461
Bicknellski: This article is available for a fee. So sad...
mircea_popescu: o ? your name is new, how did you run out of credits ?
mircea_popescu: possibly you're on a shared ip or something but hot damn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1410 @ 0.0006583 = 0.9282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065885 = 2.8469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2819 @ 0.00065886 = 1.8573 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: trilema identifies users by ip. you not having credits means someone read 5+ articles this week from yoru very ip
Bicknellski: doubt anyone else in Indonesia reading your stuff at the moment.
Bugpowder: silghtly annoying that I can't have 2 ips linked to my credits though.
Bugpowder: gotta reestablish credentials when I take laptop to work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.99 = 4.95 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder if you get a pw you can have as many as you want
pigeons: how many credits does EskimoBob have?
Bicknellski: Guessing I am going to have to do a lot of homework to make it worth my while to use MPEx... not really for the novice is it?
mircea_popescu: Bicknellski well look at it this way : are you interested in bitcoin to learn/widen horizons or to feed yourself ?
Bicknellski: Definitely... Im a Montessori teacher so we are by nature trained be just that widening horizons and feed our selves to fit in the environment we create for our students
Bicknellski: love to learn new stuff especially from people who have the right vision and clarity.
mircea_popescu: cool. so then : yes you'll have to do a ton of reading.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00065886 = 1.5839 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 14.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how the hell does my review of mogliamante come into that
Bicknellski: if i was cool I'd set my name to Bicknellski away getting eduficated.
Bicknellski: yea what you said... whoosh right over the nubs head... ya IPA please
mircea_popescu: pw:rn aka powerword:real name. it uses some tabletop game reference to slightly chuckle at how concerned people are with "their real name"
Bicknellski: got one of those at the back of the cooler
Bugpowder: best I have had is Russian River Supplication though
Bicknellski: ... people that lead you around by the nose till you can communicate effectively and not be stupid... check
Bicknellski: be back in 6 months ish when the initiation is over lol
Bugpowder: the initiation is buying into a bubble and losing half your coins
Bugpowder: maybe no initiation for you though
mircea_popescu: im sure he'll find something to buy into and lose all his coins
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00165 / 0.00193191 / 0.001965 (18002 shares, 34.78 BTC), 7D: 0.001599 / 0.00188869 / 0.001965 (25302 shares, 47.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00129541 / 0.001965 (139210 shares, 180.33 BTC)
Bugpowder: sometimes the initiation is you double your coins
Bicknellski: Unfortunately I dont like gambling so I am hopeful not to buy into something and lose the few coins I can afford to lose
mircea_popescu: truth of the matter is, mpex is liquid to the tune of 1-200k btc a month, but volatile to the tune of 1-500% a month too
Bicknellski: and with age not so worried about proving anything.
Chaang-Noi: if had to pick only one, the one you could not pick you could not have for the rest of your life.. options are beer or btc, what do you pick?
Bicknellski: beer I can pass up these days drank my fill when I was younger
mircea_popescu: with experience im realising this is the main warning actual people need re mpex.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone natively realises just how god damned volatile it is, even if they be otherwise sane and educated/experienced traders whatnot
davos: well if they're otherwise sane, educated, and experienced they'd probably realize that pretty quickly
mircea_popescu: then again that's what Bugpowder was saying... it takes a slap in the face
mircea_popescu: "fuck you bitch, i can remain insane longer than you can remain solvent"
davos: but that's how most learning is done anyway
davos: "if you're not afraid you're not paying attention" or something like that.
Bicknellski: If you think your business plan has to be kept secret because otherwise others will steal it you are probably too stupid to be in business (not just BTC, but in general).
Bicknellski: Ya flown planes before it is a lot like that...
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02094 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 30 @ 0.00986 = 0.2958 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 43 @ 0.00986 = 0.424 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 26.34001, Best ask: 26.40300, Bid-ask spread: 0.06299, Last trade: 26.30116, 24 hour volume: 40871.65631664, 24 hour low: 26.06000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.78838
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
Diablo-D3: wait, btcmc never relisted anywhere did iyt
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01653 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01652 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00657819 = 6.5782 BTC [-]
Ukto: hey Namworld_afk what are the chances of getting a financial update for bvps? I was actually kind of expecting it with the btct listing :/
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.50000, Best ask: 25.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 25.70000, 24 hour volume: 47618.69244929, 24 hour low: 25.50000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.65796
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.00194, Best ask: 25.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.69806, Last trade: 25.00194, 24 hour volume: 52259.12969220, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.52656
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.00000, Best ask: 25.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 25.00000, 24 hour volume: 52347.58935410, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.52406
DeadWeasel: i hope m t w gets a boost from media attention.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.00000, Best ask: 25.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 25.00000, 24 hour volume: 52704.76362301, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.51089
Ukto: wonder if hte api lags also
Diablo-D3: Ukto, Chaang-Noi, DeadWeasel, mircea_popescu, Namworld_afk, EskimoBob: ^
Diablo-D3: So, basically, in the end, I can pay back what was originally paid out, give or take.
Bicknellski: Diablo-D3: So lucky then... will you ever do this again?
Diablo-D3: I still think the original plan works.
Bicknellski: Id like to learn more ... got read 40 pages in that thread
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.92338, Best ask: 25.92440, Bid-ask spread: 0.00102, Last trade: 25.92338, 24 hour volume: 54018.28756317, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.49505
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065274 = 2.8205 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7792 @ 0.00065253 = 5.0845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 487 @ 0.0006525 = 0.3178 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: the asics are going to be dropped from the dmc 2.0 plan
Bicknellski: but doesnt asicminer? have a viable option?
Diablo-D3: 1) break even or even exceed power usage generating our own power
Diablo-D3: 2) focus on customers that want to do high density computing, renting racks for $20-30k/mo
Diablo-D3: 3) use 2-3 racks for ASICs, out of 2-3 dozen.
Diablo-D3: because most customers need to have their computers racked in the US
Bicknellski: just easier for you to get everything cheap I guess
Diablo-D3: maine is also very close to the ny/boston/toronto information corridor
Diablo-D3: which is where most of the world's internet traffic goes through
davos: new england is also good because of the higher $/kWh
davos: if you're producing your own power
Diablo-D3: without the generating electricity part, that'd be the biggest problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2029 @ 0.00065886 = 1.3368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066024 = 2.8529 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00066025 = 8.022 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: large industrial customers pay much less
Diablo-D3: they pay what industrial customers pay across the nation, instead of high maine prices
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]
davos: national grid pricing - which is what you'd be getting paid for surplus e2
Bicknellski: not looked into other countries for something similar?
Diablo-D3: its quirk of maine pricing, they only gouge residential and commercial
Diablo-D3: Bicknellski: maybe secondary roll outs
davos: for international you'd probably want to move upchain rather than down - do EU and get the tax benes and such for the power
davos: meh. for chips you airfreight anyway - time isn't THAT big of a deal
Bicknellski: It be interesting to have something akin to your idea scaled down in Indonesia
Bicknellski: lots of unused manufacturing properties in Jakarta
Diablo-D3: yeah, Im not interested in areas of hte world that constantly suffer from national or social disasters
davos: i'd probably go with something more like denmark - if you can get a permit for a 30m tower @ 35 KW in the $350k range pre-benes; then get decent network rates on surplus e2
Diablo-D3: no flooding, no tornadoes, no hurricanes
davos: not to mention a shitty grid
Diablo-D3: like, all those DCs in washington dc, north virginia, and NYC? fuck that shit
Diablo-D3: Bicknellski: btw, its with power included and unlimited power
Diablo-D3: a lot of racks down at around $5k have shitty cooling and like 1 or 2 15a circuits
Diablo-D3: even if you could fill the rack, it'd overheat badly
Bicknellski: solar cheaper here or more cost effective...
Diablo-D3: maine isnt magically shitty at solar
Diablo-D3: sun shines diagonally across the US
Diablo-D3: the line goes from arizona to maine
Diablo-D3: if you look at solar panel graphs, you can see the line dragging sun hours across the north to south lines
Bicknellski: so basically your miners are the hook for btc investment
Diablo-D3: Bicknellski: well, that was the point
Diablo-D3: I owuldnt need to convert USD to BTC
Diablo-D3: the asics would have generated everything I needed
Bicknellski: I wouldnt think people look twice at rack operation
Bicknellski: maybe you should look into that for packaging that for businesses who already have data centers
Diablo-D3: most datacenters simply cannot handle high density computing
Bicknellski: I imagine a few miners would racked in be good to offset costs?
Diablo-D3: they'd have to tear EVERYTHING out to reconfigure it like I wanted
Diablo-D3: it'd be cheaper just to build a new DC from scratch using an existing warehouse-type building
Bicknellski: target companies moving downsizing or upgrading
Diablo-D3: if they do, its really just a rack in a room
Diablo-D3: the datacenter market is ALWAYS full
Diablo-D3: they could double their effective rack space if they did it my way
Diablo-D3: I'd still need to hire a company or three to actually do the work
Diablo-D3: what Im good at is running numbers.
Diablo-D3: markedathome|wth: I think Im going to have to hire a lawyer and accountant too. I'm not sure what that is, sadlyyyyyyyyyyy
Bicknellski: be very interested to see what you have planned for this IPO
Diablo-D3: Bicknellski: its going to be corporate bonds.
Diablo-D3: nefario lied about his exchange and the legality of the shares glbse listed companies were issuing
Diablo-D3: which is why I have to buy all of these shares back before I can start on dmc 2.0
Bicknellski: so we lenders get a fixed interest and money back for our bonds
Diablo-D3: something like the equiv of 5% annually over 10 years on zero coupon OID bonds
Diablo-D3: Im also upping the IPO amount from $1m USD to $10m USD
davos: It sorta feels to me as though you'd be better off with a USD listing than a btc listing.
Diablo-D3: davos: I think Im going to accept USD as well
Diablo-D3: but the minimum investment is going to be much higher
davos: well that's not really my thought
davos: my thought is you'd be trapping yourself into a 5% APY payout nominally denominated in btc
Diablo-D3: thats actually less than last time
Diablo-D3: davos: yes, and what stops me from just buying 1.60x or whatever btc early into the 10 year period
davos: if you anticipate a long-term (10yr) general rise in the btcusd, then its not so much a problem of being unable to pay... its more an issue of profitability. If you think btc have a higher usd cost per unit in 10 years than it does now then it would make sense to have your liabilities denominated in usd
davos: it's what they get for being first
davos: more interesting I think is that they've pushed the time to block down under 8 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065742 = 2.8407 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16013 @ 0.00065708 = 10.5218 BTC [-]
gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 11.2711072217 % based on data since last change | 30.4664306956 % based on data for last three days
jurov: how does one get absolute value?
jurov: ;;calc [bc,diff]*1.11
jurov: ;;calc [bc,diff]*1.3
jurov: real diff will be closer to the "based on data since last change", i guess?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065273 = 2.8204 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065252 = 2.8195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11390 @ 0.0006525 = 7.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2618 @ 0.00064653 = 1.6926 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Price of BTC needs to stay high till I complete a local sale in 3 hours.
jurov: lol... use vwap instead
jurov: CoinBr.iDiff-E will close in 4 days, not much volume, but quite interesting. The price converged at 3.8mil satoshi.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2722 @ 0.00065539 = 1.784 BTC [+]
jurov: and 10 shares sold at 0.035 .... only one who'll have a profit going long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00654498 = 1.9635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064664 = 2.7941 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7249 @ 0.00064653 = 4.6867 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064506 = 3.2253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15552 @ 0.00064496 = 10.0304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 54 @ 0.00068 = 0.0367 BTC [-]
jurov: thinking what would be reasonable collateral for next iDiff-E April... somewhere 25-35 million?
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <smickles> pong
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P230T] 4 @ 0.02 = 0.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250T] 22 @ 0.0559673 = 1.2313 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: [12:19:43] <davos> if you anticipate a long-term (10yr) general rise in the btcusd, then its not so much a problem of being unable to pay... its more an issue of profitability. If you think btc have a higher usd cost per unit in 10 years than it does now then it would make sense to have your liabilities denominated in usd
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250T] 978 @ 0.0559673 = 54.736 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: davos: however, if I already have the btc, I dont need to atually worry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064503 = 2.7872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4990 @ 0.00064497 = 3.2184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7480 @ 0.00064496 = 4.8243 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: if I get 400k btc, and before 10 years is up have 400k btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4309 @ 0.00064408 = 2.7753 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P260T] 1000 @ 0.07610454 = 76.1045 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: it doesnt matter when I acquired the 400k btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8241 @ 0.00064408 = 5.3079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4409 @ 0.00064388 = 2.8389 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064531 = 4.5172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064531 = 3.0975 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065573 = 2.8334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16966 @ 0.00065574 = 11.1253 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00065905 = 9.7869 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00066025 = 2.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17929 @ 0.00066046 = 11.8414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9338 @ 0.00066093 = 6.1718 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1446 @ 0.00066206 = 0.9573 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 221725 | Current Difficulty: 3275464.586565617 | Next Difficulty At Block: 221759 | Next Difficulty In: 34 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 24 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3654798.13107 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.58106
assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 7D: 0.0429 / 0.04628974 / 0.07595 (78 shares, 3.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6802 @ 0.00613002 = 41.6964 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: I guess nobody expects Avalon actually shipped
gribble: Current Blocks: 221725 | Current Difficulty: 3275464.586565617 | Next Difficulty At Block: 221759 | Next Difficulty In: 34 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3654798.13107 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.58106
thestringpuller: the difficult is gonna go up but probably not high enough for a .075btc contract
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: how high do you think the difficulty will go up?
Diablo-D3: [02:24:01] <EskimoBob> Diablo-D3: before you fly to the moon and have 400K BTC, fix that fkn DMC of yours ;)
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: you missed the earlier url
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: and if you didnt realize, the 400k IS for DMC 2.0
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: Ive been for quite some time
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: same business model, minus the mining.
kakobrekla: the M in DMC now stands for "minus-mining"
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: Im changing the name to the name I had selected for the vps reselling side business of dmc that never took off
thestringpuller: who ever got those .0429 is making out with a steal if more ASICs come online
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: if you dont remember the business model, it was going to be a datacenter catering to high density computing customers
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: under the original $1m IPO, it was going to be 2-3 dozen racks, rented out for $15-25k/mo, electricity included
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: and the majority of electricity provided by company owned assets
Diablo-D3: thestringpuller: I already did long ago
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: I own that book. That's how I know it's garbage. It has a few very good points in it, however the canvas is retarded as a whole.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: ... my racks? Im confused.
Diablo-D3: btw, Ill agree with thestringpuller, that book is shit
Diablo-D3: Ive actually seen it mentioned by silicon valley VCers as being utter shit
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: Im assuming you dont understand what a datacenter is.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: you're not asking me to describe my business, you're asking me to describe how datacenters work.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: if you want that, wait for a forum post.
Diablo-D3: you're a tool, and yes, I blame you.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: Ill repeat what I said in here when you wernt
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: maine is near the information corridor between DC, nyc, boston, and toronto, where most of the world's internet traffic goes through
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: most DCs along this corridor are at capacity and have not accepted customers for quite some time
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: the DC market, as a whole, needs more DCs.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: doing it in maine is cheaper, more viable, and more disaster resistant
Diablo-D3: why would they go with me? because they dont really have a choice.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: Im not going to do it right now
Diablo-D3: ask me when DMC 1.0 has been closed for good.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: like I said at the beginning, its the same plan without the mining.
Diablo-D3: you're mixing up "mvp" vs "everything else"
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: Im going to assume, btw, you just like to troll
Diablo-D3: I already gave you a url earlier that you should have read already
dub: gah 1016 mails deleted and im only back to 5pm last friday
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I dont think you actually read it.
Diablo-D3: "Given about 1691 to 1966 BTC were paid into DMC and about 1015 BTC have been paid back plus 90 BTC in dividends, between 586 and 861 BTC are still owed." "DMC has approximately between 507 and 1212 BTC in assets."
Diablo-D3: dub: 1016 mails deleted, still more to go
dub: yeah shit is retarded
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: so where did I lose the value? if anything, we're around breaking even.
Diablo-D3: dub: where did they all come from?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065161 = 2.8156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00065155 = 4.8866 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00064864 = 15.555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52598 @ 0.00064388 = 33.8668 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: you're just bitching about YOUR case.
dub: Diablo-D3: mostly machine generated, every time an LSP flaps for eg
Diablo-D3: dub: on gmail? use gmail label sorting rules
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: how many shares do you have?
dub: Diablo-D3: its probably hard to understand never having had a job but some things are outside ones control
Diablo-D3: dub: er? Im just talking about managing your email here, dude
dub: Diablo-D3: also, lookout is a shining beacon of sanity after lotus notes
Diablo-D3: dub: oh, lookout is some business thing? never heard of it
dub: you will pine for outlook (SWIDT!)
Diablo-D3: btw, you CAN feed imap to procmail
dub: mutt is the one true MUA anyway
Diablo-D3: I agree, but gmail really isnt that bad
Diablo-D3: I used to use mutt + procmail + fetchmail back when I had a pop3 email box
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 9 @ 0.0099 = 0.0891 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I believe in it a shitload more than you do, thats for sure
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: oh man, I want that address
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: do you even have it for sale on the exchange?
OgNasty: Anyone have any suggestions for things they'd like to see different about NastyFans.org?
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: THEN PUT IT FOR SALE ON THE EXCHANGE FOR THAT PRICE.
DeadWeasel: they know. if you read that post you realize they didn't have the coins to cover deposits
DeadWeasel: support emails, and reddit posts, bitcointalk posts
DeadWeasel: they sold the same coins 3 time is what they did
mircea_popescu: sorta like thinking all moon landing needs is some riveters and welders.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I cant buy shares if they're not for sale.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes. then put them on the exchange for that price.
Diablo-D3: you're being difficult intentionally.
Diablo-D3: the buy back program will eventually reach that point
Diablo-D3: the only people who get to cut in line are those who want the least for their shares.
jurov: *puts popcorn in microwave*
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02091 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 26.79001 U.S. dollars = 20.0254223 Euros
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02092 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: you do realize DMC was making a profit before nefario fucked it all up, right?
OgNasty: Nefario just exposed the scams.
OgNasty: He didn't stop anyone from doing business.
OgNasty: Had you been invested in legitimate offerings, nothing bad would have happened.
OgNasty: the asset issuers that had outrageous terms or just disappeared, preventing you from getting back your BTC were scams that have been exposed. Nothing more.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: remember, I only invested in glbse assets that nefario claimed to have vetted
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: nefario then backpeddled and said he never claimed any such thing
OgNasty: vetting doesn't mean foolproof
OgNasty: who cares if they were vetted or not
Diablo-D3: no it doesnt, but apparently trusting the exchange over isnt foolproof either
OgNasty: scammers can get vetted, obviously.
Diablo-D3: no investing in BTC companies. period.
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yes they are, and the only way to fight trolls is with facts
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0065 = 0.0325 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: Diablo-D3: Which also unfortunately doubles as a kind of food.
OgNasty: I'm not trolling. I'm just fascinated why someone who ran a fund into the ground wants to start a new one. You're losing people's money claiming to be good at investments and you're obviously terrible.
OgNasty: That's messed up dude. Find another niche.
davos: the only way to fight trolls is to punch oneself in the face
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: except I never ran it into the ground
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: if all things go accordingly during the shutdown, we break even
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]
OgNasty: if if was a spliff your investors would all be high
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: its EskimoBob trying to glue together numbers that dont belong together that is claiming this
OgNasty: but it aint. this is real life. don't play with people's money and pretend to know what you're doing if you don't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00654498 = 1.9635 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: that number implies everyone paid at 1.
OgNasty: I didn't invest a penny with you, because it was obvious what you and usagi and goat were all up to...
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: except usagi nor goat was part of dmc
Diablo-D3: and I still dont know what usagi and goat were up to
OgNasty: I just wonder how much longer the community will let people get away with passing off investments that are nothing more than someone funding their silk road habits.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: aaand now you've shifted into trolling
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00068 = 0.0034 BTC [-]
OgNasty: It just pisses me off that investment money that could be going to people making a real difference and providing the community with things is ending up in the hands of those who do nothing but leech the community.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: yes, that pisses me off too
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: if the DMC IPO would have completed, BTC would be $1000 by now
ThickAsThieves: i see at as, in the past some shit went down, but Diablo wants to keep his name respectable so he's doing what he can to make things right
OgNasty: everytime you use the word if, just hit the delete button and rethink your argument.
midnightmagic: OgNasty: It amuses me when people call the bitcoin users a "community".
Diablo-D3: nefarios actions made me realize that what he was doing was illegal, he was giving out illegal advice
ThickAsThieves: if that makes people lose trust in Diablo in new ventures, just shut up and dont buy in
OgNasty: midnightmagic: I refer to bitcointalk as the community.
OgNasty: That is where they peddle their "investments"
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: he claimed he had a legally registered exchange in the UK.
dub: in that case all the community needs is a bunch of bullets
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.00068 = 0.0061 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: infact, its very hard to get an exchange going AND the amount of paperwork to get a company to go public is immense
dub: EskimoBob: no he wasnt? he was raising a million btc to start building a mining farm
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, but I didnt lose 98% of the _money_
dub: if you thought that was a sane investment thats your problem
OgNasty: whoever controlled the money lost it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00654498 = 2.618 BTC [+]
OgNasty: that's how you know you shouldn't handle other people's money
DeadWeasel: it's the people that shouldn't send it to him.
DeadWeasel: if he gets rich off their ignorance, fuck it.
DeadWeasel: expecting people to be honest in business is dumb.
Diablo-D3: DeadWeasel: hey now, I never made a dime off this.
Diablo-D3: I think I really was the only honest one here.
OgNasty: D3: I understand what happened. You made terrible investments. I'm not saying you should burn. I'm saying you should stop taking other people's money because it's been proven you're terrible at it.
DeadWeasel: probably, i realize you are paying back, i'm just trying to direct these people's anger
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: except the only outright failure of an investment is BTC-MINING.
OgNasty: same goes to usagi, goat, giga, and everyone else who completely crashed their holdings when GLBSE went down and still clings to that defense.
Diablo-D3: er, why are you putting giga in there?
OgNasty: giga took people's money and won't give it back unless you jump through hoops. he's using glbse going down to take people's money
OgNasty: giga never owned the hardware behind the bonds he sold.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: yes, you have to now comply with US Federal law
DeadWeasel: not yet. i can't find enough wood planks to upgrade my silo
OgNasty: he sold perpetual bonds that are now expiring...
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: giga got trapped the way I did.
OgNasty: trapped behind an easy excuse.
Diablo-D3: at least Im ignoring it and buying back the shares
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: what Im trying to say is, giga did something ELSE wrong
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: goat and usagi sold shares into assets that didnt exist and may have never existed
Diablo-D3: giga had assets of his own and was also selling upgrades into the asset
OgNasty: giga never owned enough hashing power to back gigamining
OgNasty: that is why I'm not saying D3 is a scammer
OgNasty: D3 didn't do anything scammy.
OgNasty: He just apparently is TERRIBLE with money.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: its not that Im terrible iwth it, its that I believed people in bitcoin wanted to leave all the scammy wall street shit behind
OgNasty: SO STOP GIVING HIM YOUR MONEY and it's problem solved. By continuing to take investment D3, you are being dishonest about your abilities to the community at the very least.
mjr_: that was quite a big moce
OgNasty: believing obvious scams and investing in them = terrible with money
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: I never invested in any of these obvious scams
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066187 = 2.8599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.02092 = 0.1883 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066192 = 2.8602 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 250 @ 0.02092 = 5.23 BTC [+]
OgNasty: didn't you say you owned usagi funds?
Diablo-D3: not a dime of DMC money went to bfl or bitcoinica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7158 @ 0.00066206 = 4.739 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7158 @ 0.00066206 = 4.739 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: infact usagi supposidly owned a lot of dmc shares
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: I already answered that in full
Diablo-D3: you just dont like the answer because you have to wait longer than everyone else.
OgNasty: where is it? is a simple question.
OgNasty: it deserves a simple answer
OgNasty: "I lost it with bad investments." would be a simple answer
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: did you read the forum post I told you to read?
OgNasty: simple answer is what I'm looking for
OgNasty: I don't even care to be honest.
OgNasty: I just am fascinated by the whole concept of failed asset issuers continuing to operate freely without being constantly flamed for it.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: between 1691 and 1966 BTC went in, 1015 BTC of shares have been bought back, 90 BTC of dividends have been paid, we still hold between 507 and 1212 in assets
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: its all detailed in that forum post
OgNasty: so then why are you closing?
OgNasty: if you have all the funds, what went horribly wrong?
Diablo-D3: Im not, I want to buy the shares back because they're not legal.
Diablo-D3: what went horribly wrong is nefario lied about legality of public shares
OgNasty: so then sell your assets and put up a huge bid wall
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: asicminer and btcmc cant be sold yet
Diablo-D3: and btc-mining, the third and last asset, is the only asset of ours that went south
OgNasty: I was only talking smack because I thought you were continuing to take investments.
Diablo-D3: I cant take investments until the shares have been bought back.
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00068 = 0.0014 BTC [-]
OgNasty: So you want to buy them all back to resell them?
Diablo-D3: Im going to issue zero coupon OID corporate bonds issued by a legally registered corporation in the US.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, a lot of people's shares are waiting.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: if this could have been done overnight, I would have already.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064422 = 2.7837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11543 @ 0.00064388 = 7.4323 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1645 @ 0.00064368 = 1.0589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3153 @ 0.00064344 = 2.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00064262 = 0.5064 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: btw, worst case DMC owes 861 and only has 507 in assets, best case DMC owes 586 and has 1212 in assets.
Diablo-D3: OgNasty: I imagine its going to be about even when it finally comes down to it
OgNasty: Breaktime over... back to work I go.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4185 @ 0.00066206 = 2.7707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00066273 = 1.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3046 @ 0.00066274 = 2.0187 BTC [+]
gribble: 1 BTC = 27.02421 U.S. dollars = 20.2004859 Euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00066274 = 2.8193 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066297 = 2.8647 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00066298 = 12.58 BTC [+]
jurov: <3 s.mpoe these days... selling at 66, buying at 64
mjr_: crossed quotes sitting there for like 15 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00066276 = 3.3138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066277 = 2.8638 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006629 = 2.8644 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23033 @ 0.00066298 = 15.2704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00066325 = 12.8007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00066449 = 7.2429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6364 @ 0.00066508 = 4.2326 BTC [+]
jurov: just noticed the wall at 0.0007 is now only 4885088 high? since when?
dub: 09-02-13-06:23<assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811173 @ 0.0007 = 1267.8211 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11836 @ 0.00066356 = 7.8539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00066683 = 15.6705 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00066733 = 4.8715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00066852 = 12.0334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00066869 = 7.1215 BTC [+]