jurov: neither their requested rates
Bugpowder: MPBOR valid 30 November through 28 December: 9.9%.
jurov: dunno where mpbor is actually used. maybe for margin?
jurov: when mpex paid interest, mpbor was used as a basis
jurov: mircea_popescu, can you enlighten us?
smickles: I know it's at least used to determin how much of the mpoebot profits go to the bondholders, and how much of their principal is returned to them if they bid too high
jurov: yes, but it is computed every month in the end when options expire and then not used for anything else?
smickles: I would venture to guess that it does influence the margin cost somehow too
jurov: btw, one can have a peek to 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR as to how much capital was provided by bondholders. but requested rates are between them and mircea.
smickles: jurov: I dunno, also, i think 'high rollers' can request a unique addy
smickles: clearly, i'm not a high roller, as shown by the tags sending to that addy
jurov: haha yes blockchain.info readily identifies you there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11094 @ 0.00064 = 7.1002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5932 @ 0.00064 = 3.7965 BTC [+]
jurov: argh, these steady trades against the wall unnerve me
jurov: no volatility anymore
jurov: so i shall put another loan request on btcjam?
Bugpowder: Req 4800 BTC to buy thru the annoying wall
jurov: ;;calc 7562321*0.00064
jurov: ic. no problem for btcjam
jurov: in fact, last time i requested such loan, usagi accused me that i do it only cause i want some movement to show on the graphs
jurov: perhaps i wont ever forget such hilarity
mircea_popescu: <jurov> mircea_popescu, can you enlighten us? << well it's used whenever someone wants a reference interest rate.
mircea_popescu: and yes, all bond deposits go to the bond address so people can see what's being deposited during each month.
mircea_popescu: smickles they can for their own account funding, but not for bonds
jurov: ok. so for example i can put on btcjam "interest rate: MPBOR + 1%" and everyone will know.
Bugpowder: how do you determine what bonds get accepted?
jurov: but if it's really going to get 25%.. that will be tough
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder all deposits over 100 btc are accepted. they only count towards a month's capital needs if they make the cut
smickles: jurov: you should do the rate based on what mpbor returns less the principal return
mircea_popescu: each month all bonds are sorted by their interest rate like in a normal auction
Bugpowder: and as the bids fill on the bot, more capital is accepted?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, more in general about mpbor : it's kinda intended as this hook for people to build stuff on. i dunno exactly what they'd build,
mircea_popescu: but im pretty certain it exposes something fundamental about btc macroeconomics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1745 @ 0.00064 = 1.1168 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the needed capital is equal to the bot's maximal exposure during the month
smickles: wouldn't it make sense for lenders to build upon it somehow?
Bugpowder: arent the puts valued at (strike-current)/current
Bugpowder: hence if current -> 0, puts go to infinity
jurov: smickles, that was Q for me? i was only half-serious, don't intend such loans atm. but we'll see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00064 = 14.528 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: "MtGox’s estimated gross monthly revenue of 3-4`000 BTC stands up some months to S.MPOE’s."
Bugpowder: Gox makes money from both buyer and seller
mircea_popescu: in the future there'll prolly have to be something more ellaborate done about it i guess.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder it's tough to estimate how much they make, cause of sliding % scales and whatnot.
sgnb: mircea_popescu: the "deal" mentioned in the link above is still on topic?
sgnb: financing MPOE by lending xxx.00000888 BTC
jurov: sgnb, that's exactly the bonds we're talking about all time :)
Bugpowder: The absolute minimum gox makes on any trade is 0.5%
mircea_popescu: sgnb yes, ever since thebeginning this is how the bot was financed. it's not going to go away either
Bugpowder: between two accounts that have volume of > half the monthly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 321 @ 0.00355083 = 1.1398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00353592 = 3.5359 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00352003 = 3.696 BTC [-]
smickles: < sgnb> mircea_popescu: the "deal" mentioned in the link above is still on topic? /me now watches 1JPvuc for a tx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00064 = 17.76 BTC [+]
smickles: jurov: how has that been selling?
jurov: the first discounted 50BTC sold out. the rest we're gonna fill in ourselves
jurov: unless thre will be some last minute action
smickles: jurov: do you disclose the rate you bid at?
jurov: we'll disclose it afterwards. but as i said at forums, we'll go somewhere very conservative like 4.8%
mircea_popescu: well it'll be de facto disclosed on month's end seeing how you'll be in the list
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7812 @ 0.00064 = 4.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7813 @ 0.00064 = 5.0003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7812 @ 0.00064 = 4.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7813 @ 0.00064 = 5.0003 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7812 @ 0.00064 = 4.9997 BTC [+]
jurov: what to make of such pattern
smickles: Is there a concise name for the MPBOR rate less the % accounted for by the principal return?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00064 = 4.256 BTC [+]
smickles: aw, I was hoping the pattern would continue
pigeons: i call that rate one smickle
jurov: "rate one smickle"? not very concise
smickles: fuck concise, it's not like that was the only criterion
jurov: if it will be negative, we'll say
jurov: smickle jig , it is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00064 = 5.984 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00064 = 6.144 BTC [+]
jurov: check the E column :P
mircea_popescu: so i see jurov's pseudorandom number geenrator disguised as a trade bot is buying mpoe...
mircea_popescu: btw, from that link : "Utilizaţi un browser neacceptat. Este posibil ca unele funcţii să nu funcţioneze corect. Treceţi la un browser modern, cum ar fi Google Chrome."
mircea_popescu: you are utilizing an unacceptable browser. it's possible some functions do not function.
jurov: i have no objection at all if the bot survived reboot and uses bitcoins from some parallel dimension,
smickles: that diffusion pattern from some time ago was much cooler
jurov: nuff said. someone lend me 4800btc.
smickles: ok, mircea_popescu this close to expiry, my valuation of p130t shows a significant difference from mpoebot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00064 = 6.144 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if i don't sell ppl complain that i r manipulating the price by not selling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8653 @ 0.00064 = 5.5379 BTC [+]
jurov: oh we (at least me) isn't complaining about you. nobody could predict it will create so strong hanging carrot effect
pigeons: so did eskimobob and ciucuicuicui
gribble: eskimobob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> 50K ART is all gone :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064 = 6.4 BTC [+]
pigeons: i'm about to ignore assbot if he doesn't start reporting some different prices
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00064 = 4.832 BTC [+]
pigeons: mircea_popescu: loan jurov 4800 btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00063994 = 1.0879 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00063973 = 6.2694 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00063946 = 1.3429 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00063945 = 2.9095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00063943 = 2.8135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00063915 = 17.5447 BTC [-]
smickles: lol, assbot delivers to pigeons
jurov: i thought i have a bug on live.coinbr.com, that trade is not visible
jurov: but it's just completely insignificant
jurov: so much for pigeons power
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064 = 5.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4818 @ 0.00064 = 3.0835 BTC [+]
jurov: eventually they will
jurov: and at 0.0007 whole thing will be worth 700k BTC
jurov: and mpoe will become bitcoin central bank
jurov: if it sin't already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00064 = 6.528 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I think soon there will be so much free wi-fi available, you could in theory use the internet for free.
jurov: thestringpuller, where do you live? it's already practice here
jurov: i found out they put a hotspot into public transport bus, too
smickles: I hear that in places like seatle, they actually have a functioning city-wide meshnet, a sort've independant internet
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> that's more BTC than pirate had << and more "had" than pirate's, too.
jurov: yes, it shows how insignificant it is
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when will mpex account holders have a copy of blockchain they can access via mpex and a BCCAPI server :P
mircea_popescu: that's actually a service people can provide themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00064 = 5.952 BTC [+]
smickles: thestringpuller: someone with accounts can automate deposits
mircea_popescu: actually, iirc kakobrekla's smpake either is or is going to.
smickles: damn, mircea_popescu beat me to it
jurov: and i'm well on the way to automate mpex deposits. already get email notifications
smickles: we can do instant deposits too
thestringpuller: all deposites go to <EditText android:id="@+id/edit_message"
smickles: say jurov has 10 spare mpexbtc, I want to deposit 10 btc, i send 10 btc to jurov he txfrs 10 mpex btc to my account
pigeons: does PUSH work with C.BTC?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean how ? 2k deposits happen routinely atm lol
jurov: mircea_popescu, FAQ says PUSH works for excluding cash
smickles: thestringpuller: if you have an mpex account, you can deposit any amount you want
smickles: how does it get processed? manual confirmation
smickles: a trained ape sees the tx, evaluates it, and flips a few bits on a hd
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you know, if you deposit 500 mn in 1mn bearer certificates in your bank account
mircea_popescu: automation and risk management are pretty much contrarian
pigeons: plus its pretty darn quick in practice, and its not like mircea_popescu is busy doing anything else if you wanna just bug him to process your deposit
jurov: haha, i could have been offering quick deposit service already, if i had the audacity to ask why faq says so
thestringpuller: waaaah i don't want to pay 20 btc for an account so I can slap around .05 btc on options
pigeons: he would welcome the excuse to get out of whatever else he is engaged in to process deposits
smickles: kakobrekla: didn't we already do a quick deposit b/t each other?
smickles: I needed liek 10 btc on mpex quick, someone obliged
smickles: when mircea_popescu was asleep
kakobrekla: funny how i can say that after a month or so
jurov: it just never occurred to me to test push with cxbtc
kakobrekla: but then i figured i should better recode first
jurov: OK, you can ask me as well to do it anytime, for amounts < 15BTC atm.
jurov: user interface on coinbr will follow soon
smickles: thestringpuller: it's how mpex displays your btc balance
jurov: smickles: no fee this year
smickles: "this year", he says. crackin' wise, this guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00064 = 8.384 BTC [+]
gribble: You are identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6
smickles: 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F
jurov: no, you send me 10btc
jurov: [02:06] <gribble> Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file. :(
smickles: well, I wanted to get 10 more btc onto mpex, not 10 less
jurov: i'm confused. you want to fund or withdraw?
jurov: In order to make this deposit please send to the exchange address ( 1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx ) the sum of 10.00296524 BTC exactly. Your transaction will be manually approved, so please allow up to 48 hours for funds to show up in your account.
jurov: smickles, when i see the tx, i'll push the C.BTC to 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F
smickles: jurov: though, when you automate it, the client should send 10 btc to you, and you send the 10.XX btc to 1Fx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00064 = 14.624 BTC [+]
gribble: You have not yet rated user jurov
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.
jurov: i can't auth with gribble
smickles: i'll verify your identity later
smickles: for when your trained ape is offline
jurov: it's supposed to be faster
mircea_popescu: but... if you send the btc to mpex's address it still waits on mpex ?
jurov: smickles does not have to wait on mpex
jurov: only i have to, but i don't mind
jurov: cause i must have some reserve on mpex anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, the way push is structured there's nothing to prevent a lot of further development here. i imagine one next step is a loans secured by shares business
jurov: smickles: and i prefer users to directly deposit to mpex cause of faster turnover
mircea_popescu: and in the end i guess mpex accounts will look a lot more like banks than anything
jurov: <rant>maybe they will look like bank when balance+all pending transactions will be consistent at all times</rant>
jurov: all *shown* pending transactions, i mean
jurov: serious scalping opportunity, i say
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00064 = 1.984 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles is testing teh bot
smickles: clearly, it's an int division issue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00064 = 1.056 BTC [+]
smickles: srsly, mircea_popescu you need me to add this 15 satoshi of liquidity
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1 @ 0.00000008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00064 = 3.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064 = 3.136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00064 = 1.088 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00064 = 6.592 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7954 @ 0.00064 = 5.0906 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 24 minutes and 43 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00064 = 6.656 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 213943 | Current Difficulty: 2979636.6169381 | Next Difficulty At Block: 215711 | Next Difficulty In: 1768 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 23 hours, 14 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3347057.04349520 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.3310481711
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12183 @ 0.00064 = 7.7971 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00064 = 6.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064 = 8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00064 = 15.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00064 = 4.608 BTC [+]
gribble: You rated user kakobrekla on Thu Oct 11 11:36:14 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: facilitated a short term loan.
smickles: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 facilitated a short term loan, smpake.com is awesome. use it.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00064 = 2.656 BTC [+]
pigeons: commission for the previous 2 users goes to jcpham
smickles: heh, I was an early user of smpake, this was just the first significant use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00064 = 0.448 BTC [+]
fulluser: or people actually hold shares for a long time
fulluser: if you could explain it briefly
fulluser: works abosolutely like real stocks ?
kakobrekla: you mean mpex? yeah just like real stock. the glbse stock are completley virtual tho.
fulluser: they change every 5 minutes or so like real world stocks
fulluser: and BTC varies way more than any coin
kakobrekla: you cant trade btc pair on forex, you can trade forex with btc
kakobrekla: well i thought you might find it useful since you mentined forex
kakobrekla: faq: Am I eligible for the 5 BTC bonus?
kakobrekla: When you open a Live account a 5 BTC bonus will be awarded to your balance. In order to withdraw the bonus, one must have have closed at least 5 trades on the Live account.
kakobrekla: sure, send me an email as it says on the site
kakobrekla: if you send me the info now ill reply you with a deposit addy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00064 = 7.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: if you can deposit today youll get an account on monday
fulluser: where i can grab gpg for windows
smickles: kakobrekla: checkit, i'm blowing the socks off the mpoebot's prices on the 13,14 strikes
kakobrekla: fulluser id you want your key id in your contract do that now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00064 = 10.88 BTC [+]
smickles: yeah, a little more bug testing, then I'll throw some btc at it, then later, I might seek funding for it too
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.42174, Best ask: 13.43787, Bid-ask spread: 0.01613, Last trade: 13.60000, 24 hour volume: 19062.67342392, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.60000, 24 hour vwap: 13.38236
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7875 @ 0.00064 = 5.04 BTC [+]
smickles: lol, i just realized you could say that to any # up to 30ish
kakobrekla: 04:37.11 ( kakobrekla ) fulluser, you didnt sign the email
kakobrekla: 04:37.28 ( kakobrekla ) fulluser id you want your key id in your contract do that now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3385 @ 0.00064 = 2.1664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00064 = 5.312 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smickles you know it doesn't price on the last day right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00064 = 6.848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13116 @ 0.00064 = 8.3942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00064 = 6.016 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00064 = 8.128 BTC [+]
smickles: mircea_popescu: yes, that's why i'm rockin' yo socks yo!
smickles: anyway, with the currently limited funds, i've expanded to the 12 to 15 range of strikes :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00064 = 9.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9867 @ 0.00064 = 6.3149 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064 = 3.2 BTC [+]
smickles: ok, assuming there are no more bugs, I've got a decent amount of optimization to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00064 = 5.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00064 = 2.8346 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: you settlements are all bolloxed up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6635 @ 0.00064 = 4.2464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10987 @ 0.00064 = 7.0317 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: how many are the putting in one device?
Bugpowder: Whales are back betting on S.DICE again
JWU42: BFL is going to be sending me money very soon
JWU42: might eb cancelling
Bugpowder: S.DICE up another 1000 BTC this morning.
JWU42: looking at Dooglus post?
JWU42: oh yeah - you post in that thread as well
JWU42: with 250 BTC bets things can move quickly
Bugpowder: I think S.DICE is now >18,000 profit this month
JWU42: I use Gox for that
JWU42: not mixing but atleast losing some identity
JWU42: when i feel the need
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00064 = 15.232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26956 @ 0.00064 = 17.2518 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wouldn't the fact that they always repay to the address that sent make it impossible to use as a mixer ?
mircea_popescu: well so then wtf people keep going "o, it's used for mixing" as if it's some arcana they know about
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00064 = 1.664 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: btw jurov i always meant to ask, what's the br in coinbr stand for ? brazil ?
pigeons: well the coins you get back come from sdice, so there is at least that link
mircea_popescu: pigeons what i mean is, sdice does not sever the link. sure it varies the amt.
mircea_popescu: ianae, but i imagine the only way to correctly mix is to use a single inbound address.
mircea_popescu: in the same sense if not exactly in the same way as freshly minted coins
pigeons: i'll let you lousy criminals speculate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00064 = 3.424 BTC [+]
pigeons: laundering that porn money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00064 = 4.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00064 = 7.712 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: EskimoBob: mircea_popescu has had you on ignore for months
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35694 @ 0.00064 = 22.8442 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12754 @ 0.00064 = 8.1626 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11485 @ 0.00064 = 7.3504 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: who will indirectly cost me 20 btc because he will drive usagi to suicide
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00064 = 15.616 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00064 = 6.912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00064 = 7.424 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: S.DICE lead down to 600 BTC on the morning
Bugpowder: bet count of 11,000 since 12-27-12 7:00
thestringpuller: looks like your speculation is proving right Dr. Bugpowder
thestringpuller: so Dr. Bugpowder what are you gonna do with your bonus paid for by the ghost of satoshi?
Bugpowder: SPLIT 14 strike options and sell them short
Bugpowder: and what range it does or does not stay within
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.45011, Best ask: 13.48408, Bid-ask spread: 0.03397, Last trade: 13.45011, 24 hour volume: 20887.52776928, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.39768
Bugpowder: well as long as it stays between 11 and 17, I made money on options selling this month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00064 = 6.08 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11805 @ 0.00064 = 7.5552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00064 = 6.976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00064 = 2.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00064 = 7.744 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00064 = 8.512 BTC [+]
gribble: What is the difference between MtGox and Dwalla?
thestringpuller: and the ones we find and citys and parks now are escaped pets
thestringpuller: I have an interesting idea for an offering but I will need to periodically perform reverse splits.
thestringpuller: (i.e. 1000 shares reverse split to 990 shares). Do any exchanges support share splits?
smickles: thestringpuller: probably not programatically, but I'm sure most, if run by good people, would do it manually
pigeons: oh good people, this is bitcoin
smickles: oh, thestringpuller you were quoting :|
pigeons: yeah they don't right-click either, i didnt know thye had problems with quote marks too
thestringpuller: they have trouble with giving me any keys other than apple button or options
smickles: so it turns out, you can't use gmail to send thousands of emails per day to yourself
smickles: "arg parser!" sometimes escapes my mouth in place of "aw, FUCK!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3175 @ 0.00064 = 2.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00064 = 2.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00064 = 21.3043 BTC [+]
smickles: jcpham: so, because people are rightly trying to avoid the higher form taxes, the people who plan to be depandant on that specific sort of tax revenue are boned?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00064 = 2.304 BTC [+]
jcpham: something like that is what i read
pigeons: give him another nobel prize
pigeons: obama's was the peace prize for drone attacks, afghanistan and iraq?
jcpham: obama won a nobel prize?
jcpham: are you making that up?
smickles: and he got it after ordering things which resulted in innocent deaths
jcpham: if he gets one everyone else gets 100
smickles: and then went on to doing drone strikes which ended up killing children
smickles: and then pretending to cry about the deaths of children which he didn't cause
jcpham: pretty lame president if you don't kill somebody
smickles: and trying, maybe succeding to make it legal to kidnap and kill citizens w/o cause, documentation, trial, etc...
jcpham: you must think you have rights or something
jcpham: authoritarian regimes never allow citizens to affect change
jcpham: make sure to encrypt those emails kids
smickles: I don't even have a proper job, I'm not a good slave at all :/
smickles: but i suppose my wife being active duty makes up for my working for myself, rather than someone else
smickles: yeah, I don't want to get in trouble :|
smickles: if the law gets too out of hand, i'll try to move somewhere else first
smickles: kinda like the 'vote with you dollar' concept
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00064 = 6.2714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00064 = 2.176 BTC [+]
jcpham: i'm sort of waiting for the day i'm branded a terrorist myself
jcpham: for using funny internet money
jcpham: market making, profit taking
smickles: mircea_popescu: "Your order #4828665 has been canceled" << see what's missing there?
jcpham: i lost a 6850 this week
jcpham: actually it has already been rma'd once
jcpham: to replace it while i rma it again
jcpham: i'll gpu mine until i have to pay for a power bill
smickles: uh-oh, jurov it's having trouble finding order #'s now :o
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.40091, Best ask: 13.44997, Bid-ask spread: 0.04906, Last trade: 13.40091, 24 hour volume: 21262.83730854, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.41324
jcpham: i'm about to leave work myself
jcpham: just do it. screw those bosses and their work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6106 @ 0.00064 = 3.9078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4436 @ 0.00064 = 2.839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00064 = 7.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064 = 7.68 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10154 @ 0.00064 = 6.4986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00064 = 1.6 BTC [+]
gribble: Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@2001:5c0:1400:b::1245', is identified as user jurov, with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None
jurov: i heard there was some filthy impostor doing mpex fundings with smickles
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jurov: ;;rate Ukto 2 pleasure to work with him (no homo)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21070 @ 0.00064 = 13.4848 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14843 @ 0.00064 = 9.4995 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Latest Dooglas post is out. 33737.14961221 Profit for S.DICE
Bugpowder: If only these S.MPOE bots would train there sights on S.DICE we could get a decent valuation.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.45768, Best ask: 13.49769, Bid-ask spread: 0.04001, Last trade: 13.49883, 24 hour volume: 23420.32427228, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.42037
smickles: ;;calc 17700 / 100000000 / 0.0037
smickles: anyone have 5550 or so btc to lend?
jurov: Bugpowder, how exactly do you suppose the bots for s.dice would work?
Bugpowder: same way they are working for S.MPOE
Bugpowder: I haven't seen a sell on S.MPOE in 2 days
jurov: oh...er...how do you know these are bots?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.42001, Best ask: 13.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07998, Last trade: 13.42001, 24 hour volume: 24188.06995503, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.42310
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.42001, Best ask: 13.48878, Bid-ask spread: 0.06877, Last trade: 13.42001, 24 hour volume: 24188.06995503, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.42310
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.41102, Best ask: 13.48877, Bid-ask spread: 0.07775, Last trade: 13.41102, 24 hour volume: 24188.07995503, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.42310
jurov: i can imagine someone programmed a "bot" for dripping buys of s.mpoe
jurov: but that's just a script, not a real bot that makes decisions
Bugpowder: but its just super steady small lot buys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7791 @ 0.00064 = 4.9862 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I hope it keeps up through the divvy payment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00064 = 0.064 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: it's like someone forgot to change the setting on their bot after the secondary offering
Bugpowder: And they have 1000s of coins to play with
jurov: but why would they do it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00351365 = 0.0351 BTC [+]
jurov: no i mean.. do they fear that buying it all in one go would cause X?
Bugpowder: it's like they have a bot that hits the ask every 15 minutes
Bugpowder: and sells when the bid goes over the purchase price
smickles: maybe to try to catch some lower sells
Bugpowder: but it cant go over cause the secondary offering
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00064 = 4.704 BTC [+]
jurov: smickles yes, their idea might be, to get better price.. but that's totally not working now
Bugpowder: The funny thing is.... it's not exploitable by us either
jurov: .. unless someone lends me 4800 btc, ofc
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@2001:5c0:1400:b::1245 . User jurov, rated since Fri Jan 20 15:16:32 2012. Cumulative rating 17, from 11 total ratings. Received ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 8 positive, 1 negative. Details:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jurov smickles: jurov: what rate would you pay for ~100 btc?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.41005, Best ask: 13.48989, Bid-ask spread: 0.07984, Last trade: 13.49995, 24 hour volume: 24497.02820033, 24 hour low: 13.25000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.42369
jurov: i won't make a scratch on that wall with 100btc
Bugpowder: 3 more days like this and its gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00064 = 5.888 BTC [+]
smickles: someone should be watching known/suspected mircea addys for possible connection to these buys, on the off chance that a connection is made
smickles: I should just pretend to do it and make regular reports saying there is no connection to raise confidence
smickles: probably something to do with the slipage involved with a sale of a large portion of it
mircea_popescu: i been trying to calc stuff like that with about 0 success
kakobrekla: mpex has 30times the volume of largest SL exchange
smickles: then incorporate random walk theory mircea_popescu ;)
mircea_popescu: yest i looked into market, there were absolutely NO offers of s.mpoe
smickles: mircea_popescu: that's a spooky fact
smickles: maybe it's cause there arn't enough people will balls enough to short it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00064 = 1.472 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fact is, i've seen more nonsense in btc finance than all togetgher anywhere else all time.
kakobrekla: goes together with the crypto anarchism i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00064 = 1.024 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Well, its 3.38M shares of bids > .00058
Bugpowder: And if this tier sells thru, the bot might make a profit
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.42002, Best ask: 13.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07998, Last trade: 13.42002, 24 hour volume: 22418.93354803, 24 hour low: 13.30000, 24 hour high: 13.64990, 24 hour vwap: 13.43718
Bugpowder: yeah I wanted in at 62 but had no free capital
Bugpowder: I thought it was only like 300 shares that popped off at that price
mircea_popescu: Dec 21 23:50:23 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 506 @ 0.00190007 = 0.9614 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Dec 21 23:50:24 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00190001 = 9.5001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Dec 21 23:50:26 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 507115 @ 0.0018 = 912.807 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Dec 21 23:50:27 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.DICE] 995840 @ 0.0014 = 1394.176 BTC [-]
smickles: lol, someone sold right b/f the end of the world
mircea_popescu: you seriously telling me it was a millenarist thing ?!
smickles: bitcoins, being man's great acheivement, are like aboriginal boomerangs to the greys
mircea_popescu: i'll say this, it may be the case we have a real market here on the strength of the criteria that it makes absolutely no sense.
smickles: no sense? it's an unyeilding techincal (chartist) breakout
smickles: and it has the best fundamentals of any freely available bitcoin investment