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mircea_popescu: boar sperm is sorta like sperm whale ?
dub: no
dub: boar sperm is why we eat bacon, sperm whale is why the sea is salty
mircea_popescu: o i c
mircea_popescu: no homo ?
smickles: yeah, pig is porcus in latin, not homo
porcuscomedenti: ;D
mircea_popescu: denti be teeth ?
mircea_popescu: dub i asked and cum isn't salty.
mircea_popescu: whatever you been eating ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063332 = 2.7366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0006336 = 10.5178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6602 @ 0.00063463 = 4.1898 BTC [+]
porcuscomedenti: it's a widespread myth that cum is salty, iirc
dub: yeah I'll admit to not having first hand knowledge ehre
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063431 = 2.7409 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14602 @ 0.00063463 = 9.2669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6946 @ 0.00063463 = 4.4081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00063531 = 4.0025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0006361 = 1.2722 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9732 @ 0.00063617 = 6.1912 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy: dub you should get a taste then ;)
dub: I spend a considerable amount of time in the sea, we can just pretend teh myth is true
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.29000, Best ask: 13.29001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.29000, 24 hour volume: 72257.80506675, 24 hour low: 12.74919, 24 hour high: 13.48500, 24 hour vwap: 13.19301
mircea_popescu: pretty heavy volume for very little movement.
dub: thats a decent dip no?
mircea_popescu: coupla % ? not really much
mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a very good bowl of punch.
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0018 / 0.00359628 / 0.0037 (877988 shares, 3,157.49 BTC), 30day: 0.0018 / 0.00340582 / 0.0037 (6489978 shares, 22,103.71 BTC)
smickles: mircea_popescu: you missed my redux of a cause de garcsons
mircea_popescu: o ?
mircea_popescu: dja mean des garcons ?
mircea_popescu: as in acausedesgarcons.com/ - Le blog gay des beaux garçons qui se mettent à nu ?
smickles: lol, you expect me to be able to spell french words? we're talking about me here :D
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: quite funny readding that reddit about mpex.
mircea_popescu: i get this feeling as if for many people bitcoin is pretty much the wtf gift that keeps on giving
smickles: well, i think that has to do with the fact that it's not 'established' yet
smickles: that establishment prolly having a lot to do with the volatility
smickles: hey! ya wanna know what my volatility mistake was earlier?
smickles: well, i wrote all the code myself, based off of theory
smickles: turns out i coded it for variance, not volatility!
smickles: lol
smickles: a simple change in input for sigma to sigma² fixed it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28145 @ 0.00063171 = 17.7795 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: this is cute
mircea_popescu: so with the new inputs the differences from mpoe reduced or amplified ?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.07713857 = 77.1386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.11328195 = 113.282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.15615809 = 156.1581 BTC [+]
Ukto: hey mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hey ukto
Ukto: whats the proper term.. for letting people "over bid" ? place total bids for more money/btc then they have ?
Ukto: I cant think of how to term it for some reason
mircea_popescu: margining them
Ukto: ah
Ukto: there we go
mircea_popescu: it's nothing you should do w/o adequate capital on hand.
Ukto: Sigh, most people wont understand the question
Ukto: i'll have to spell out the question on the faq
Ukto: Q: Can I put up more total bids than BTC/Shares available? (Margining)
Ukto: That sound reasonable?
mircea_popescu: you're going to seamlessly margin shares ?
Ukto: the answer is NO
Ukto: just trying to write the question is a format the even dumb ppl can understand
mircea_popescu: ahahah
mircea_popescu: Do you offer margin ?
mircea_popescu: No.
Ukto: yeah, then you get ppl who wont undertsand it and still ask if they can overbid
Ukto: :P
Ukto: Remember, BF has the retard users too
Ukto: :P
Ukto: or expect them
Ukto: to
mircea_popescu: Q: Can I put up bids adding up to more BTC than I have ? Can I sell shares I do not own ?
mircea_popescu: No.
mircea_popescu: This should go right after
mircea_popescu: Q. Is 1+3=4 ?
mircea_popescu: A. For most values of 4.
Ukto: :P
Ukto: kk, i got it covered
Ukto: ready for this? :P
Ukto: Q: Does the site allow Margining?
Ukto: A: No. Every bid reserves the total amount in either BTC or shares for that asset.
Ukto: Q: Can I put up more total bids than BTC/Shares available (Margining)?
Ukto: A: No. Every bid reserves the total amount in either BTC or shares for that asset.
Ukto: Q: Can I place bids/asks adding up to more BTC/Shares than I have?
mircea_popescu: *crickets*
Ukto: A: No. Every bid reserves the total amount in either BTC or shares for that asset.
Ukto: I don't think it will be missed. :P
mircea_popescu: lol
Ukto: If you are going to cater to retarded people, speak their language
Ukto: in as many forms as possible
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg1406452#msg1406452 if you didn't see it
Ukto: yeah
Ukto: thats what I am working through
Ukto: alomst done with teh list
Ukto: :P
Ukto: about to post and let em know his wishes have been granted
Ukto: wasnt trying to call him dumb with teh faq questions
Ukto: was putting that in for others tho
Ukto: so i wont be missed
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, why are you keeping weex and bf separate ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't it add to the overhead for everyone ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, the forum delivers : "I destroyed my credit before i was 20. I need a fresh start. Bankruptcy attorneys in my area are telling me $800 for their service. I know i can do it myself for under $100 but i dont know what im doing."
Ukto: LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1000 @ 0.15599534 = 155.9953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.11311101 = 113.111 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 1000 @ 0.07697019 = 76.9702 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 5 @ 0.17254855 = 0.8627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 495 @ 0.18305995 = 90.6147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00063171 = 10.2021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062847 = 2.7156 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 462 @ 0.00062842 = 0.2903 BTC [-]
Ukto: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg1406815#msg1406815 <-- Requests answered
Ukto: Now.. to do jimmys request
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063149 = 2.7287 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4990 @ 0.00063171 = 3.1522 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1639 @ 0.00063658 = 1.0434 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062871 = 2.7167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00062842 = 8.0124 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00062523 = 0.9691 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2729 @ 0.0006216 = 1.6963 BTC [-]
maximian: mircea_popescu: mpex says it doesn't recognize my signature
mircea_popescu: are you using old verion of pympex ?
maximian: yeah, but I just tried issuing a stat manually, and it failed
mircea_popescu: hum
mircea_popescu: replace
mircea_popescu: self.mpex_url = 'http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php'
mircea_popescu: with
mircea_popescu: self.mpex_url = 'http://mpex.co'
mircea_popescu: or else get the new version (does the same thing)
mircea_popescu: and let me know
maximian: ok I"ll try
Namjies: Hey mircea
Namjies: What do you think of this? http://www.namworld.net/portfolio/bitvps.com/
mircea_popescu: looks pretty slick
Namjies: Thanks. Trying hard. For now everyone else at BitVPS says http://wallet.bitvps.com/ is better.
Namjies: I'll still finish this one. Might take ~1 week of work. Hopefully it will get better.
Namjies: Otherwise I'm sure I'll find a taker for the template.
mircea_popescu: bulding stuff is how btc goes up, i'll tell you that.
maximian: mircea_popescu: I changed mpex_url, now it hangs when I run it. I tried issuing an order by following section 6 of the FAQ and pasted the clear signed message directly via the web interface, and it replies with "Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first."
mircea_popescu: ok this is weird.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident maximian
gribble: Nick 'maximian', with hostmask 'maximian!~maximian@S01062cb05d389a4b.vc.shawcable.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: please ident or else send me an email signed with the respective key
maximian: how do I ident?
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth with gribble
maximian: could I just send you the clear signed STAT command I issued?
maximian: ;;eauth
mircea_popescu: hm. listen, but you're not supposed to paste clearsigned stuff in there
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
maximian: I didn't
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to clearsign it first, and then encrypt it with the exchange's key
mircea_popescu: a ok
maximian: yep, I pasted the encrypted version
mircea_popescu: kk
mircea_popescu: email me somethign signed so i actually know it's you.
mircea_popescu: safety measure.
maximian: email addy?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/office.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00368608 = 6.2663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4277 @ 0.00368848 = 15.7756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 20023 @ 0.003699 = 74.0651 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if anyone's curious, http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-bonds-historical-data/
maximian: mircea_popescu: sent
mircea_popescu: maximian are you getting pms ?
maximian: sorry, was afk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50000 @ 0.003699 = 184.95 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a np
dub: ;;ident dub
gribble: Nick 'dub', with hostmask 'dub!dub@unaffiliated/dub', is identified as user dub, with GPG key id 110C3582E5C480CF, key fingerprint B2956C98270DCC89E2E94A17110C3582E5C480CF, and bitcoin address None
dub: wowow
mircea_popescu: ?
dub: I got around to registering
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00062771 = 2.0714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062164 = 2.6861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6158 @ 0.0006216 = 3.8278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6171 @ 0.00061923 = 3.8213 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wd.
Namjies: http://www.namworld.net/portfolio/bitvps.com/vps
Namjies: clickable servers with specs inscribed for ordering
Namjies: I still need to make the specs styling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5284 @ 0.00061923 = 3.272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28766 @ 0.00061649 = 17.734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15603 @ 0.00063186 = 9.8589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3047 @ 0.00061649 = 1.8784 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Ukto: ping
Ukto: Pong!
Ukto: :)
mircea_popescu: is mpex slow for anyone ?
EskimoBob: stop reloading that portn page mircea_popescu and it will speed up the rest
EskimoBob: :)
mircea_popescu: no, actually, i think some scriptkiddie is trying his version of a dos. the server's been doing 1-1.5Gbps for the past hour
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be doing anything tho
EskimoBob: tail and/or grep the logs and see
EskimoBob: did anyone receive the updated lists from James last night?
EskimoBob: too early to ask that probably, most are still sleeping over there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00063302 = 6.2669 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063657 = 2.7506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7145 @ 0.00063658 = 4.5484 BTC [+]
Ukto: burnside: there?
Ukto: A friend on skype msgd me saying he got a claim email, logged into the 'trash' account, withdrew, and ended up with a ?-0.000195 balance.
Ukto: looks like the now 'free withdraws' is charging accounts the bitcoin transaction fee.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 40000 @ 0.003699 = 147.96 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe it's worth having a chat with http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.schildbach.wallet
mircea_popescu: they probably have some working encryption
assbot: [MPEX] [X.INKG] 244 @ 0.06858952 = 16.7358 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00061651 = 2.6639 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20483 @ 0.00061649 = 12.6276 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00061612 = 10.3816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00061502 = 18.4524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00061483 = 9.0073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00061242 = 8.5739 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1572 @ 0.00061132 = 0.961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00061129 = 8.2524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00061086 = 6.7195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7098 @ 0.00061056 = 4.3338 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00061011 = 1.6473 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12118 @ 0.00061003 = 7.3923 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00060983 = 20.3683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00060981 = 7.8361 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36978 @ 0.00060942 = 22.5351 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00060923 = 13.6163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8140 @ 0.00060923 = 4.9591 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1391 @ 0.00060908 = 0.8472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17079 @ 0.00060901 = 10.4013 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90312 @ 0.000609 = 55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10760 @ 0.0006088 = 6.5507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30457 @ 0.00060872 = 18.5398 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2015 @ 0.00060866 = 1.2264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22317 @ 0.00060852 = 13.5803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00060846 = 13.021 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7071 @ 0.00060833 = 4.3015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00060833 = 0.6083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14882 @ 0.00060832 = 9.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00060826 = 16.423 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9203 @ 0.00060799 = 5.5953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00060789 = 13.1304 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00060758 = 10.7845 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00060758 = 17.0122 BTC [-]
Ukto: 0,o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00060716 = 7.8931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20638 @ 0.00060716 = 12.5306 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11348 @ 0.00060692 = 6.8873 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00060666 = 19.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30910 @ 0.00060665 = 18.7516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00060638 = 5.8819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00060626 = 15.7931 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00060618 = 11.0325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00060612 = 10.9102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00060604 = 11.7875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00060599 = 17.7555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3184 @ 0.00060599 = 1.9295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10353 @ 0.00060578 = 6.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00060543 = 0.9687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00060537 = 7.9455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00060513 = 18.638 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: omg the jig is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4313 @ 0.00060482 = 2.6086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26694 @ 0.00060471 = 16.1421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20182 @ 0.00060468 = 12.2037 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00060437 = 9.9419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00060405 = 10.3293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00060386 = 14.7644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18703 @ 0.00060354 = 11.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00062202 = 2.6877 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4479 @ 0.00062237 = 2.7876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00060376 = 2.6088 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3297 @ 0.00060354 = 1.9899 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006034 = 13.1843 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22482 @ 0.00060295 = 13.5555 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00060291 = 7.1143 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21398 @ 0.00060289 = 12.9006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00060286 = 2.2909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00060278 = 13.2913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00060256 = 9.641 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.0006023 = 14.3347 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23201 @ 0.00060199 = 13.9668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00060164 = 9.5962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00060146 = 14.7658 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00060081 = 11.4154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12830 @ 0.00060079 = 7.7081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00060052 = 5.4047 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00060029 = 22.1507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00060015 = 8.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00059957 = 2.5482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00059934 = 5.8136 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0005993 = 7.0717 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15259 @ 0.000599 = 9.1401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00059899 = 4.3726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00059807 = 4.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19336 @ 0.00059804 = 11.5637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00059792 = 1.8536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00059784 = 10.0138 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00059782 = 13.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22370 @ 0.00059731 = 13.3618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.0005972 = 15.8258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00059689 = 3.5217 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00059656 = 11.0364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3256 @ 0.00059655 = 1.9424 BTC [-]
Ukto: wtf
pigeons: someone taking profits to put into MPOE bonds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22444 @ 0.00059655 = 13.389 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00059631 = 13.4766 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00059618 = 29.2724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00059589 = 6.376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00059566 = 6.1353 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00059565 = 10.4239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00059556 = 14.6508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00059541 = 17.9814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9034 @ 0.0005938 = 5.3644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27509 @ 0.00059329 = 16.3208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00059328 = 6.9414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00059325 = 8.4242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00059201 = 1.776 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00059081 = 11.9934 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00059055 = 11.7815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36009 @ 0.00059 = 21.2453 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe someone's shorting it
mircea_popescu: what's this been like 3-4mn shares ?
mircea_popescu: WHO LOANED THEM OUT!
pigeons: i would take profits, but what am i gonna buy?
mircea_popescu: pigeons this is why i don't add more assets.
pigeons: :)
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00059 / 0.00061393 / 0.00063658 (3496257 shares, 2,146.48 BTC), 30day: 0.00049308 / 0.00053446 / 0.00063995 (102053951 shares, 54,544.36 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3050 @ 0.003699 = 11.282 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh, 1 day avg still over 61 so nyah!
pigeons: its just mircea_popescu trading with himself to try and look bigger than bfl
mircea_popescu: why, bfl is trading with itself ?
pigeons: they are doing something with themself
mircea_popescu: whens the next bfl dramadate ? 14th jan ?
pigeons: "won't ship before jan 14" so they are still on schedule when they dont ship then
mircea_popescu: sounds like bfl
mircea_popescu: how's your btcjam investments coming along btw ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100000 @ 0.00059 = 59 BTC [-]
pigeons: i made one to jurov which he promptly repaid and couldn't find any more
mircea_popescu: in a sense btc finance is locked down. too few worthy assets.
Ukto: I like that CoinBr.MPBPT fund on BitFunder. it looks like it will do good. >:P
Ukto: >,> <,<
jurov: haha, it promptly became >90% of bitfunder trade volume
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00059 = 13.7175 BTC [-]
jurov: hi mircea popescu, i'm checking your "bonds historical data" against my own spreadsheet
jurov: and Oct 12 ROI effective doesn't make sense to me
jurov: or is here anybody else who invested in october bonds?
jurov: *rereads october statement* indeed there was a loss and my spreadsheet lies :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00058989 = 2.9495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00058988 = 2.625 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1233 @ 0.00058982 = 0.7272 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11469 @ 0.00059 = 6.7667 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov do tell ?
mircea_popescu: a ok lol
mircea_popescu: now put it on reddit.
EskimoBob: btc diff has dropped back to september level. Lets see, when the fear kicks in and stops the fall.
assbot: [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 100 @ 0.21 = 21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17707 @ 0.00059 = 10.4471 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00058983 = 5.8983 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 673 @ 0.00058982 = 0.3969 BTC [-]
jurov: what fear has to do with hashrate?
jurov: mircea, as you wish: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/151ujm/mpoe_bonds_only_btc_investment_that_is_13_months/
mircea_popescu: eee
jurov: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.00363031 = 4.1749 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1600 @ 0.00362384 = 5.7981 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: whoa when did spoe plummet?
thestringpuller: jurov: I wanna make an Android app for CoinBr
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller mod6 is working on an android app for mpex too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00058983 = 5.8983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00058982 = 5.4263 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: can I be a part of it?
thestringpuller: I like Android programming
thestringpuller: LOL the jig is up
mircea_popescu: i imagine so, you should talk to him
thestringpuller: is this what you guys were talking about? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/151ujm/mpoe_bonds_only_btc_investment_that_is_13_months ?
thestringpuller: ;;calc 100000 * .1
gribble: 10000
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lemme buy some trilemma credits real quick while you're around
mircea_popescu: sure
thestringpuller: how much per credit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2794 @ 0.00058982 = 1.648 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00058844 = 4.358 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a dollah gets you 1k iirc ? what's the page say ?
thestringpuller: MPOE needs another 4,000 BTC dividend month...
thestringpuller: yea
thestringpuller: so .1 BTC?
thestringpuller: what address do I send to?
thestringpuller: Lol "If you won't pay for nice things you can't have nice things because there can't be nice things."
jurov: thestringpuller, let's talk about the app later, i'm going afk for few hours now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00058844 = 5.5902 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.23689, Best ask: 13.24600, Bid-ask spread: 0.00911, Last trade: 13.24600, 24 hour volume: 29923.83800899, 24 hour low: 13.02386, 24 hour high: 13.39900, 24 hour vwap: 13.26171
Ukto: jurov
thestringpuller: The MPOE bubble is popping unfortunately
thestringpuller: he's afk
Ukto: already sold almost 250 shares of the MPBPT
thestringpuller: Ukto how bout that FF7 ;)
Ukto: geg
Ukto: thestringpuller: havent had a chance, just added a depth chart to weex
Ukto: and other stuff
Ukto: so...
Ukto: whats up with MPOE?
thestringpuller: someone sold a lot last night into the bids
thestringpuller: well like 6 hours ago or something
Ukto: yeah, i saw that
Ukto: dnt know why tho
thestringpuller: someone borrowed a bunch and closed a short?
jcpham: http://codinginmysleep.com/how-i-was-almost-adam/
mircea_popescu: 250 shares = 250 btc ?
jcpham: like that blawg
Ukto: mircea_popescu: 25btc
mircea_popescu: so 1/4 of minimum done. this is pretty good.
Ukto: well
Ukto: more like 20btc
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/151ujm/mpoe_bonds_only_btc_investment_that_is_13_months/ vote jurov's reddit lol
Ukto: so 1/5th in under 24hrs
Ukto: i had a new user
Ukto: prolly came from that
Ukto: in ru
Ukto: he broke his weex link
Ukto: deposited 1btc into BF
Ukto: it clearly told him it was not broken
Ukto: i watched in teh logs as he forced it :P
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: given the way the auction system works
Ukto: then he sent in a ticket
thestringpuller: wouldn't I be guarenteed to be a bond holder if I put an interest of 1%
Ukto: "no deposit! not instant! you lied?!?"
Ukto: within 3 minutes I replied that it was fixed and his deposit was available
Ukto: and that his broken shit is fixed
kakobreklaa: how can you break weex link?
thestringpuller: ;;google weex link
gribble: Cisco WebEx Web Conferencing, Online Meetings, Desktop Sharing ...: <http://www.webex.com/>; Knowledge Base - My Resources - WebEx: <https://kb.webex.com/?articleId=WBX20856>; Webex connect Download |299844 - Cisco Support Community: <https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/299844>
Ukto: lol
Ukto: the weexchange merchant link
Ukto: you dont deposit/withdraw btc to BF
Ukto: you have to signupo for an account at weexchange :D
pigeons: you are the weex link. goodbye
mircea_popescu: lol ukto, nice story.
kakobreklaa: pigeons :DD
Ukto: mircea_popescu: I am surprised as hell, no one has made a big deal out of having to sing up for weexchange
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5494 @ 0.00058844 = 3.2329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24854 @ 0.00058738 = 14.5987 BTC [-]
Ukto: ppl have asked if it was safe..
thestringpuller: maaaan
mircea_popescu: you have no idea what i'm dealing with.
Ukto: but none have been mad
thestringpuller: MPOE just won't recover
pigeons: and i want to murder the happy couple on the login page
thestringpuller: maybe tomorrow someone will buy up a bunch of shares
Ukto: mircea_popescu: did you release some earlier? :P
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller people have had a lot of grief waiting with mpex lol
kakobreklaa: 16:18.30 ( Ukto ) you dont deposit/withdraw btc to BF
kakobreklaa: wait what
kakobreklaa: in order to fund BF account
kakobreklaa: i must send to weex?
Ukto: pigeons: I have a slightly diff pic. same couple, diff pose. :P
Ukto: kakobreklaa: damn straight
kakobreklaa: lulz
mircea_popescu: Ukto http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135583607960.jpg use her.
Ukto: weex has had almost 100+ new signups in a week
Ukto: is that teh girl in the park or w/e?
Ukto: bending over? :P
jcpham: nice
Ukto: oh, nope
mircea_popescu: it's one of the girls bending over. as girls are wont to do.
kakobreklaa: being silly to your users is nothing to brag about
Ukto: what is that blurred out thing next to her? a kid?
Ukto: oh
Ukto: advertisements
Ukto: i see it on some bottles now
pigeons: omg does cicicicicu know you have nekkid pictures?
kakobreklaa: mircea_popescu omfg why the fuck are the drinks censored
kakobreklaa: "you can watch pussy but you cant watch coke"
Ukto: yeah
Ukto: thats what confused me
Ukto: oh man. I just realised both popular assets on BF rely on mpex :P
Ukto: .. GO MPEX GO! :P
jcpham: i like weex
jcpham: especially those instant payouts
mircea_popescu: drinks are bad mkay
pigeons: ooh how about weex->mpex vendor link
Ukto: define mpex vender?
pigeons: same as hp or bf
Ukto: I will be opening the merchatn api in jan/feb
jcpham: https://vimeo.com/54180438
jcpham: weex and hashpower get featured in that video
Ukto: pigeons: yeah, but what other sites?
jcpham: hurry and watch it before i mark it private again
pigeons: just say, "i will be opening the merchant api when bfl ships"
Ukto: This is a private video.
pigeons: Ukto: the mpex site
jcpham: Babab
jcpham: gogogogo
jcpham: quick
Ukto: pigeons: talk to the boss man over there
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/idiots-and-socialists-kill-people-armed-citizens-save-lives/
Ukto: jchysk: whos video si that?
Ukto: yours?
jcpham: too much of mine
Ukto: and why does it look like old 35mm film?
jcpham: didn't edit myself out enough
kakobreklaa: is shaking like a crack whore deprived of crack
jcpham: because it needs to look old because the music is old
Ukto: theres music?
kakobreklaa: music is good :)
Ukto: i dont even see an vol control on the video
kakobreklaa: go mouseover it
jcpham: vimeo sucks
jcpham: youtube pulled it because of coptright
Ukto: copyright??
Ukto: whos rights dfid you infringe on ?
Ukto: rfngjkdghd?
kakobreklaa: pink floyds
Ukto: oh
Ukto: AHH
Ukto: i can guess the song then
Ukto: :P
Ukto: based on all the $$'s
kakobreklaa: :)
Ukto: yeah, you should def. add bitfunder :P
Ukto: I guess the russian is happy
Ukto: already spent his whole 1btc
Ukto: :P
Ukto: all but like 4k satoshi
Ukto: on sdice no less
Ukto: guess he wasnt from reddit :P
kakobreklaa: ;;ticker s.dice
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message)
kakobreklaa: !ticker s.dice
assbot: [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0018 / 0.00360924 / 0.0037 (984870 shares, 3,554.64 BTC), 30day: 0.0018 / 0.00341118 / 0.0037 (6611778 shares, 22,553.98 BTC)
jcpham: poorly edited
jcpham: shot with cell
jcpham: edited with http://www.openshotvideo.com/
jcpham: i actually did all that to test the software
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00058971 = 2.5481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18428 @ 0.00059 = 10.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2601 @ 0.00059017 = 1.535 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: there we go
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13469484178.jpg now this is what i call limo service.
thestringpuller: yay porn
mircea_popescu: pigeons theres one for you http://paracoin.com/
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 15 seconds
thestringpuller: where do you find this shit mircea?
mircea_popescu: i have people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00058998 = 2.5493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7808 @ 0.00059017 = 4.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28871 @ 0.00059079 = 17.0567 BTC [+]
Ukto: re: limo pic, her hand is super scary looking
mircea_popescu: kinda gnarly
mircea_popescu: maybe she's a pianist
Ukto: besides: http://betsofbitco.in/ is a better site for betting
Ukto: i think
kakobreklaa: theres a better one.
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. i actually like Spinner much better and I've been looking through some of their code - the schildbach has lost my btc at least 2x.
mod6: Spinner has been pretty great for me so far... and I've been looking through the code. Its using the BCCAPI which has some KeyManagement stuff in there.
mod6: I need to look into it more.
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 58 seconds
Doffx: Cool, made 20% return on my Sdice.
Doffx: Took longer than I wanted but im happy to come out ahead.
kakobreklaa: playing it?
Doffx: No, on my passthrough
mircea_popescu: you have a passthrough too ?!
mircea_popescu: o wait, you held shares nm
Ukto: did sdice just issue divs?
Ukto: Doffx: or do youmean from terras ?
Doffx: No mine all sold on bitfunder
smickles: lol: https://twitter.com/icbit_trades
Doffx: At a good profit
Doffx: Divs for Sdice is like on the 5th or 4th of each month I thought
Ukto: smickles: https://twitter.com/BitFunder ;)
mircea_popescu: ya
smickles: last night, i was dreaming that I needed to wake up for the s.dice divs
mircea_popescu: aww!
Ukto: LOL
Ukto: your concentrating too much
mircea_popescu: ok so a guy paid for trilema credits two hours ago. i credited him. transaction still unconfirmed
smickles: Ukto: have you told kakobreklaa , is it going to be pulled into assbot ?
mircea_popescu: I WAS SCAMMED
Ukto: smickles: he wunt do it
kakobreklaa: lol
Ukto: cause twatter will done day end the api
Ukto: :P
kakobreklaa: whats wrong with you people
Ukto: smickles: i made that format just so all he would have to do is swing the old glbse code to it :P
smickles: Doffx: section e and f explain it in detail http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE
Ukto: apparently its too much work >:P~
Doffx: Its ok smickles I no longer own any.
kakobreklaa: twitter is no good, it eating trades even if the msgs are unique ( mircea_popescu made the complaint)
kakobreklaa: i already wrote new api for this shit that is made for just for it
Ukto: ah
Doffx: It will now be put in to my master plan investment
Ukto: i figured twatter just didnt like MP either :P
kakobreklaa: and i told this at least 3 times in the chan
kakobreklaa: this is the last time.
jcpham: http://mpex.co/ is a url redirect
jcpham: ?
smickles: kakobreklaa: i know, but something is infinitely better than nothing
Doffx: I am finally 15 BTC in the Green after all my equipment and investments
Ukto: I honestly dont care about twatter
Doffx: Christmas came early
smickles: mircea_popescu: did you check to see if you got double spent?
kakobreklaa: smickles lets just do it the proper way.
mircea_popescu: smickles nah. .1 btc
smickles: mircea_popescu: i mean to say that it would be interesting if you were double spent
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131373.msg1407273#msg1407273
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: -pr is now favicon
smickles: lol
Ukto: 4,200 of the g.sdice asset just traded on BF
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101838.msg1407306#msg1407306
mircea_popescu: why is shrem so defensive
pigeons: "Posting in this thread and coming up with opinions and ideas are stupid and just distract us from the real work we need to do.
Ukto: oh.. i see lol
mircea_popescu: i think maybe he's working more than 8 hour days
mircea_popescu: which is unhygienic.
pigeons: uhoh, he said my magic words though
pigeons: "We have posted many updates, always been transparent, never scammed anyone, and always have done what we say we will do. "
mircea_popescu: any girls here willing to lend a consoling tit ?
kakobreklaa: 18:12.02 ( Ukto ) 4,200 of the g.sdice asset just traded on BF < assbot de manual.
kakobreklaa: :)
mircea_popescu: hahaha
Ukto: <-- assHOLE
thestringpuller: You are ukto
thestringpuller: cause you don't want to get me no FF7
thestringpuller: WAAAAAh
thestringpuller: WAAAAAh
thestringpuller: <- crybaby
Ukto: lol
Ukto: i got like 13 things to get done today :P
jcpham: better get started
Ukto: I have to now drop off some bday invites for the kids party @ school
Ukto: cause wife didnt send em
Ukto: dumbass.. -_-
jcpham: replace her!
thestringpuller: make your wife find the FF7
thestringpuller: ;)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the .1 btc should be confirming now
thestringpuller: 2 confirmations
thestringpuller: I'm a cheap schmuck and don't give no fees to no miners
mircea_popescu: <Ukto> i got like 13 things to get done today :P << it is impolite to refer to women as "things"
mircea_popescu: they are people too you know.
thestringpuller: mod6: you still around?
Ukto: mircea_popescu: shh
Ukto: my wife might hear you
mircea_popescu: she doesn't believe women are people ?
Ukto: jcpham
Ukto: you still there?>
jcpham: yes
Ukto: can you unlock that video again?
Ukto: wanted to show Doffx :P
Doffx: I need a tutorial on wex
Doffx: weex too
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/let-me-show-you-why-i-like-bitcoin/ < Ukto you're there. so is pigeons and thestringpuller fellow
Ukto: just click 'use' on the box and point at weex
Ukto: :P
jcpham: i did a bad job editing my name out
thestringpuller: I'm so glad I bought Trilemma credits
thestringpuller: Oh God this article was worth the break
mircea_popescu: lol
Doffx: Haha Pink Floyd I love it aleady jcpham
thestringpuller: AAPL went down 30%
thestringpuller: when the foxconn scandal happened
thestringpuller: Mr. Cook should have said: "The Jig is up"
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: would have kicked ass
thestringpuller: Some guy representing a firm came on the news shortly after the drop from nearly 700+ a share to 500 a share and said, "We have faith in AAPL, we have begun selling puts for the winter season"
thestringpuller: I do wonder Mr. Popescu, where is all that BTC going to end up?
Doffx: Its ok apple will Litigate themselves some more profit and all will be ok
Doffx: Great little vid jcpham
jcpham: except it has my nick in it in a few places
jcpham: but yeah
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller donated to the foundation i'm sure
thestringpuller: it's a good theory though to dump profits from MPOE and put it into MBOR bonds given the statistics
thestringpuller: Also: "Icbit.se offers a BTC/USD future which I wouldn’t however recomend." Makes me lol
thestringpuller: you tore the owner a new one if I recall
mircea_popescu: in their defense they did pay up
mircea_popescu: so maybe they fix ti for the future
thestringpuller: like GLBSE fixed it?
thestringpuller: :P
mircea_popescu: well who kniows
thestringpuller: I guess the way I see it, is broad spectrum MPEX is the only thing I haven't lost money on.
mircea_popescu: well, never too late to start.
thestringpuller: trust and loyalty are hard things to build in a world with little regulation
thestringpuller: with the insurance geniuses, and welfare kids who think they are brilliant stock brokers...
mircea_popescu: true
thestringpuller: your barriers to entry are proven I'd say
mircea_popescu: so far.
thestringpuller: august was a tough month eh?
mircea_popescu: pirate month.
thestringpuller: "I. MPOE a suferit ceea ce s-ar putea foarte bine sa fie insider trading." <- I'm more referring to.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4 @ 0.00059079 = 0.0024 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00059227 = 1.303 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know there's an english version underneath
thestringpuller: Ah. But what of this insider trading?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059964 = 2.591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12829 @ 0.0005998 = 7.6948 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: It sound like someone who knew pirate was going to default, manipulated the options market...
mircea_popescu: tis possible.
mircea_popescu: http://www.nanaimogold.com/ win
thestringpuller: I've been reading your code review business idea article again
thestringpuller: I didn't realize it was specifically targeted to BTC based code projects.
mircea_popescu: yea
thestringpuller: It sounds like something that MTGox really needed...
thestringpuller: heh
mircea_popescu: yeah
thestringpuller: I guess it makes sense. For example the issue they found in Ukto's code on bitfunder
thestringpuller: with the bid issue
mircea_popescu: there's numerous examples.
thestringpuller: the insurance side is where the real profitability comes in
mircea_popescu: it'd have saved the bitdaytrade investors 4k btc if they insisted on an audit
mircea_popescu: and had where to have the code audited
thestringpuller: but how does one compete with say Norton?
thestringpuller: or other security firms who do this for contracts worth millions
thestringpuller: the whole "it's cheaper in BTC"
mircea_popescu: nobody at norton has a clue abouyt bitcoin
kakobreklaa: bitdaytrade would have never go out live if it would be a subject of code review
mircea_popescu: exactly.
thestringpuller: but it's all about reputation
thestringpuller: if someone creates and exchange
thestringpuller: gets audited by this company, its the willingness to ensure your audit?
thestringpuller: that gives you credibility?
thestringpuller: because my biggest fear is what if you don't catch that small bug
mircea_popescu: well, you get the audit and possibly insurance.
thestringpuller: someone injects some assembly and finds a huge bug
thestringpuller: millions of dollars lost
mircea_popescu: sure.
thestringpuller: you'd have to have thorough penetration testing before the audit is "approved"
mircea_popescu: insurance is insurance.
thestringpuller: possibly even continuation ethical hacking
mircea_popescu: the point of insurance is to mitigate disasters not to avoid them.
thestringpuller: insurance companies don't make money by paying claims...
thestringpuller: they mitigate risks to the point the exposure is minimal
mircea_popescu: anyone knows who owns walletbit.com ?
kakobreklaa: its not about making it unhackable, is about making it hard enough to do
pigeons: mircea_popescu: kreal
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: ty
thestringpuller: walletbit may overtake bitpay
thestringpuller: kakobreklaa: onions huh?
kakobreklaa: hm?
thestringpuller: your security needs to be like an onion
kakobreklaa: http://xkcd.com/538/
thestringpuller: Isn't that what Russians do?
kakobreklaa: im close.
thestringpuller: kidnap people and beat them over the head with turnips
thestringpuller: until they give up passwords
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.22870, Best ask: 13.34999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12129, Last trade: 13.21656, 24 hour volume: 28522.62314613, 24 hour low: 13.10250, 24 hour high: 13.39900, 24 hour vwap: 13.26900
pigeons: carrots > turnips
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I'm going to make a ticker app for MPEX when I go on vacation
mircea_popescu: haha cool
thestringpuller: Enough information is public that you can just poll it
kakobreklaa: he does have an api...
thestringpuller: I'm still mad that you use PHP but I"ll get over it
thestringpuller: I like hacks :P
pigeons: don't use the api, scraping ftw
kakobreklaa: its not a hack its stupidtiy
kakobreklaa: if you gonna parse html
kakobreklaa: when api is there
thestringpuller: o/ put it there pigeons
thestringpuller: Back in my day we didn't have API's for everything
thestringpuller: we had to actually parse strings and shit
kakobreklaa: aha
kakobreklaa: first you pulled the string
kakobreklaa: the you parsed it
kakobreklaa: you sting parser you.
kakobreklaa: then*
kakobreklaa: ah well
kakobreklaa: off to the store.
mircea_popescu: well let's break the news to thestringpuller
thestringpuller: is it bad news doc?
thestringpuller: I got cancer don't I?
mircea_popescu: mpex.co/mpex-vwap.php
kakobreklaa: if you are going to parse html do it with regex so its at least completley wrong
thestringpuller: XD
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa why not replacestr or w/e it's called
thestringpuller: that's what I was planning to do
mircea_popescu: sorta halfway regex
kakobreklaa: stupid mans regex
thestringpuller: or you could just use awk or sed
jcpham: scrape all content with sed
mircea_popescu: sedawk all the girls.
jcpham: or awk
jcpham: one time i wrote some wget scripts to scrape the funny images from 8 differnet funny image sites
jcpham: the next morning i hat 400,000 funny jpgs
kakobreklaa: and it wasnt funny.
jcpham: no, no it wasn't
thestringpuller: XD
mircea_popescu: one time i made some wget scripts to fuck with technorati. the next morning i had the #1 spot.
jcpham: way way wack
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: one time, I made some shit up in an irc channel and bragged about it
thestringpuller: is that you imsaguy?
jcpham: you make me cry
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is mpex-vwap.php the only stat json that's publicly availabe
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade " Art and Artwork (none) "
thestringpuller: what else yougot?
kakobreklaa: go with the html apis are so new age pft!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there's mkt depth too
Ukto: [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: and the this one time, and band camp...
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: Ukto, I don't wanna know about your flute
mircea_popescu: i can't believe slashy still lives.
jcpham: it was a tuba, not a flute
Ukto: LOL
thestringpuller: What happened to going to the store Ukto ?
Ukto: jchysk: thats movie 1 vs 2
thestringpuller: I want my FF7
Ukto: whut store?
Ukto: school ?
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: mircea_popescu, why would it not?
thestringpuller: I'll pay 2000BTC
Ukto: get your facts straight
Ukto: :P
thestringpuller: (not really)
mircea_popescu: dja have any idea when's the last time you said something ?
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: no, been busy, stuff and stuff
mircea_popescu: well good for you anyway.
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: if you say so
mircea_popescu: FireSteel.com FireSteels are used by tens of thousands of people including the US Military, hikers, hunters, scouts, survivalists, outdoors enthusiasts and bushcrafters the world over.
mircea_popescu: Buy our FireSteels and you'll never worry about being able to start a fire.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is the depth table json
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is worried about starting fires
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: just keep a bic in the glove box
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php
kakobreklaa: people who do Bacon ala Quran
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: what about this link?
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: if you're stranded long enough that you run out of lighter fluid, you're probably gonna die anyway
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: and I mean that in the nicest way possible
mircea_popescu: i can make fire by rubbing two girls together.
mircea_popescu: provided one's blonde and the other's brunette.
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: you have two different shares of hair on your palms?
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob grep for "art"
[\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]: shades*
mircea_popescu: blonde and brunette aren't motherfucking shades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11071 @ 0.0005998 = 6.6404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7029 @ 0.00060014 = 4.2184 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: so?
mircea_popescu: so add your negligible yet soon to dissapear attempt in there.
EskimoBob: wtf are you blabbering about now?
thestringpuller: no one believes in EskimoBobs dream of creating a BTC-based art studio?
mircea_popescu: if bitcoins were backed by buckteeth fat girl butts...
pigeons: he suggests you let people who browse the bitcoin wiki know that they can get "art" for bitcoins
mircea_popescu: "The Real Skin All-American Whopper measures 7 inches with an insertable length of 5.5 inches, 1.25-1.5 inches in width and a circumference of 4.5-5 inches, and is realistically sculpted for the size, feel, and pleasure of the real thing."
mircea_popescu: 5 inches ? real thing ?
EskimoBob: thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is lonely fuck who just stirs up shit. Do not take that delusional retard too seriously ;)
mircea_popescu: L33t Consultant, IT Consulting on Anything Security, Networks & Servers. All OS - All Software.
mircea_popescu: the wiki is a serious goldmine.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where is the market depth json waaaaaah
thestringpuller: waaaaah
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-json.php
jcpham: i have not started a fire with my firesteel yet
jcpham: vaguely tried
mircea_popescu: usagi : "this is probably a scam" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1407545#msg1407545
mircea_popescu: he should know
mircea_popescu: jcpham what is it, an electric arc sorta thing ?
jcpham: it's like a big flint
jcpham: you scrape it and make sparks
jcpham: like a survival fire starter
mircea_popescu: a
jcpham: requires fibrous tender
jcpham: rubbiung sticks and blowing
jcpham: shrug
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there is a bug, it took me to trilemma
thestringpuller: Usagi can fucking rant on the forums but not get me my fucking BTC
thestringpuller: fuck dat guy
mircea_popescu: i just tried it, tis fine.
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/mpex-vwap.php
mircea_popescu: ow tried the wrong one
thestringpuller: mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-json.php
thestringpuller: keep redirecting to your blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00060014 = 3.0307 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth-jsonp.php
mircea_popescu: or else
mircea_popescu: mpex.co/mpex-mktdepth.php
thestringpuller: that worked
thestringpuller: thanks mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.30001, Best ask: 13.34998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 13.30002, 24 hour volume: 28406.18807176, 24 hour low: 13.10250, 24 hour high: 13.39900, 24 hour vwap: 13.27054
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 40 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,diff
gribble: 3370181.7992778
thestringpuller: btc volatility is going down
thestringpuller: overall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00060014 = 6.7042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3829 @ 0.0006002 = 2.2982 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: august was a baaaaad month
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/mpoe-bonds-historical-data/ - the loss of august seems to dwarf everything...
thestringpuller: the bondholders in august...got creamed
mircea_popescu: yeah.
thestringpuller: are there any new safeguards?
mircea_popescu: nope. it can happen, one bad month can hurt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0006002 = 1.8006 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: but that month was REALLY bad
thestringpuller: like people jumping out of skyscrapers bad
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=60&i=Hourly&c=1&s=2012-08-17&e=2012-08-21&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&
thestringpuller: ouch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059918 = 2.5891 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00059883 = 7.4255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11895 @ 0.00059238 = 7.0464 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: shoulda used a Lorentzian instead of a Gaussian price movement model...
thestringpuller: 14 to 11 in 1 day
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder shoulda not been in a market where self-aggrandizing idiots put 5% of the m3 into ponzis
EskimoBob: fuuuuccckkk usagi is back and off the fkn meds. Not that shit again ... LOL
Bugpowder: Does Black-Scholes have a ponzi correction term?
mircea_popescu: if it ever does it will become BSM
mircea_popescu: Black-Scholes-Maddof
Namjies: Hey EskimoBob
Namjies: No, haven't received your claim from GLBSE yet.
thestringpuller: the Lorentz transformation
EskimoBob: Namjies: hola
thestringpuller: the most brilliant thing ever
Bugpowder: not related
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: You were talking about a Lorentz right?
thestringpuller: oh
thestringpuller: :(
thestringpuller: well I'll just go to my corner and continue reading about relativity then
EskimoBob: Namjies: James told me he sent out (or promised to send) a updated list and assured me that my name is on the list
Bugpowder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_distribution
EskimoBob: unless you are talking to someone else Namjies :)
Bugpowder: It's why 100-year black swan events happen every 8 years.
thestringpuller: 100 year black swan events heh
thestringpuller: damn Bugpowder you people enlighten me everyda
thestringpuller: I've learned more in this IRC channel than I ever did in public school
thestringpuller: Down with welfare
dub: I was looking at some property in a 100-year flood plain the other day, supposedly expected to flood every 3-5 years
thestringpuller: lol Bitcoin magazine charges 100 bucks for a 12 issue subscription?
mod6: (11:34) < thestringpuller> I've learned more in this IRC channel than I ever did in public school
dub: moron tax
mod6: ^^^ :D
EskimoBob: are they still in business?
thestringpuller: mod6: can I help with the Mpex android app?
EskimoBob: Vlad ripped the magazine off and it sounded like that wast the end
thestringpuller: issue #5 just came out
EskimoBob: OK
thestringpuller: http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ - I was reading that
mod6: thestringpuller: I do actually need help. And for sure in the future there will be tons more to do.
thestringpuller: What framework are you going to use?
thestringpuller: in terms of data access
thestringpuller: like how people use Spring Framework for Java EE
mod6: ahhh.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> lol Bitcoin magazine charges 100 bucks for a 12 issue subscription? <<< yes, they will deliver the 12th issue in 2044
thestringpuller: why don't you spin off trilemma into a magazine?
mod6: well, i started a #BitOTTer channel for technical discussions.... but basically how this works is it doesn't persist anything at this time
mircea_popescu: a magazine is one of those pointless things whores employed by rich men fill their time with.
mod6: it connects to mpex (currently just over inet, tor ability is coming, probably in beta, tor works with perl version) and grabs all the JSON and parses it.
thestringpuller: i was talking more about the service to DAO
thestringpuller: even though there is no writing to a db
thestringpuller: you have to read from one albeit over an API
thestringpuller: like for instance I was reading in JSON from a server that had data on it
thestringpuller: so I used GSON wrapped with access objects
mod6: ahh, yeah, nothing with GSON. i tried to get my head wrapped around how to use it with android and the funky mpex json, but I couldn't make it work
mod6: i just muscled past it with my own solution
thestringpuller: Haha
thestringpuller: hit it with a hammer till it behaves solution huh?
mod6: well, sort of.. i love to make it really nice and awesomesauce, but having it work is much better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00060018 = 2.5934 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1929 @ 0.0006002 = 1.1578 BTC [+]
mod6: So in the future, I really hope to get to revise a lot of stuff that I've already learned on the alpha project... but its sort of too late to turn around.
thestringpuller: well if you want I can be your jr. dev, just assign me tickets and I"ll send you patches
mod6: I was talking about building BitOTTer as an android tool for mpex in march/april, but noone was really interested... until later, and then I really had to turn up the gas to try to catch up.
mod6: If you're really serious, I do have quite a bunch to do. It sounds like you know what's up.
thestringpuller: I'm a Java EE developer and spent a few years doing Android Dev
thestringpuller: If you migrate to iOS I can't really do anything for you
mod6: I can work out something in the form of small btc payments on a per-diem basis or something...
thestringpuller: nah I'd rather just code for the fun of it
thestringpuller: for a good cause
mod6: wow. even more awesome. well, you won't be forgotten if you help with this project in some way.
thestringpuller: Anything I can do to get better at coding.
mod6: Right now i have a nuts-o day job, thats more like an everyhour job. I am looking forward to making 2013 the year I can leave that behind :D
thestringpuller: Dude you have no idea
thestringpuller: I so feel you
thestringpuller: I do EE development for credit card processors
thestringpuller: it's like 90% meetings 10% copy paste code
thestringpuller: every hour every day...
thestringpuller: ugh
mod6: thats great, this is all java, nothing too complicated really at all.
mod6: just had some problems with spongycastle/bouncycastle trying to get the KeyStore to work the way I wanted. I got SOOOOO close, but it was eating up too much time.
thestringpuller: Android keystores are weird as shit
thestringpuller: in fact I don't think you can use traditional SSH keys on it
mod6: ah, maybe not?
thestringpuller: hold on i spent weeks getting SSHd and SCP to run natively on my droid
thestringpuller: to be thwarted by a cp memory overrun
thestringpuller: there we go
thestringpuller: dropbear
mod6: ahh hmm
thestringpuller: dropbear ssh
thestringpuller: they did a port that's now in the android git repo
thestringpuller: but you have to convert you DSA/RSA keys into dropbear format
thestringpuller: like stuff you'd generate from openssh
mod6: lol, i just saw a picture of a kowala eating a guys face
thestringpuller: I assume pgp will be similar since the android keystore is a little weird
mod6: yeah, i had to get down to the nuts and bolts
mod6: i had to get the public key packet, secret key packet... extract the private key from the secrete key spec then create a x509 cert and construct that with the pub and priv keys.
thestringpuller: are you doing it remote?
mod6: only bitch of it is... once I pull the cert out on the other side, i can't get out the private key.
mod6: only the public key. the api is limited here.
thestringpuller: fucking keystore
thestringpuller: just can't store a private key...
mod6: nope :/
thestringpuller: we meet again my old friend
iz: for.. pgp?
thestringpuller: or gpg
thestringpuller: any key really
mod6: yeah, i don't think it matters
thestringpuller: except androids "special format"
iz: you shouldn't be storing priv keys on a pgp (or gpg) keystore
Namjies: EskimoBob: what's your email/bitcoin address for GLBSE? PM me. I'll check again but my last list was received some time ago.
iz: that's not how it's meant to work
thestringpuller: yea but android is stripped down
iz: priv key remains private, public keys are on the keystore so you can look them up
mod6: at that level I was working with PGPPublicKey, PGPSecretKey and PGPPrivateKey and converting them to their native java analogues
thestringpuller: iz: the keystore is local
iz: ohhh
iz: yeah, that sucks then
thestringpuller: iz: android doesn't have a normal filesystem
iz: yeah, i gotcha now
thestringpuller: iz: so for things that are "private" it stores them locally in a weird fucked up way
mod6: iz: yeah, i know, but im trying to come up with a clever way to store the users private key incase the device is stolen or hacked, you don't want to lose thatkey.
thestringpuller: exactly!
mircea_popescu: listening to you ppl talk im slowly realising apple is the new microsoft.
iz: encrypt it w/ a password
thestringpuller: if you lose your phone with the bitcoin wallet
mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY how discussions went cca 1995
thestringpuller: people can take the private keys out
mod6: apple is pretty nuts, i'll convert to iOS someday if there is enough interest... but that'll be its own can of worms.
EskimoBob: Namjies: pm sent
iz: well, if you loose your wallet, ppl can take your cash out too
iz: lose
thestringpuller: iOS is pretty good
thestringpuller: but it's not friendly
thestringpuller: well the low level to high level interface isn't friedly
thestringpuller: friendly*
mod6: iz: so in the mean time, I have a AES256 class that I wrote that will utilize AES and enc/dec the key... at least that way, its protected by the symmetric key
thestringpuller: mod6: one thing you an do is encrypt local data for the app
thestringpuller: each app runs under it's on PID, and UID, so no other app can access it
iz: mod6: yeah, that seems good enough for now... does android have DRM crap that you can hijack for that?
thestringpuller: iz: not DRM persay, but if you root your phone you can do an encrypted FS
mod6: iz: hm, I really wish! if they do, I'm missing it. I'm not super well versed in Android though, a lot of stuff is new to me here.
thestringpuller: but then you're limiting yourself to only "experienced" users
mod6: and what worries me, is like I was saying to mircea_popescu the other night. all these cell providers leave backdoors through the os to turn shit on/off or to steal your data/coins.
iz: yeah, i took a quick look and it seems like the android DRM is about playback restriction and doesn't really have a pub/priv key that is used
mod6: So... I'd like to put something in place thats non-native in a way I guess. Another layer to the onion so to speak.
thestringpuller: mod6: just encrypt the app local file store
thestringpuller: with the AES256 class you are writing
mod6: thestringpuller: this maybe the way to go. i'll have to talk to you more about that. or do some searching there... need to see how that works out.
mod6: oh.
mod6: I see, you're just saying to enc all the files in the local dir?
thestringpuller: just for the mpex app
thestringpuller: each app has it's only local file store
mod6: right.
thestringpuller: most people don't encrypt that shit but I don't see why you couldn't
thestringpuller: it adds another layer
mod6: Well, I could do that for sure. Infact, it started out that way, and then I was like, "why am i encrypting this public key..."
thestringpuller: true
mod6: its time related.
thestringpuller: but rogue apps take over phones everyday
thestringpuller: if they can get into another apps local fs somehow
thestringpuller: then it's like the plaintext password with Sony and MTGox
thestringpuller: and LinkedIn for that matter
mod6: right.
mod6: Good stuff man. Thanks to everyone for all your comments on this today.
mod6: Very much helpful.
thestringpuller: also it's nearly impossible for a rogue app to read from memory
thestringpuller: because essentially the only time the private key would be "exposed" is when it's in memory decrypting data
thestringpuller: or in use*
thestringpuller: it wouldn't be "on disc" decrypted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0006002 = 5.3718 BTC [+]
mod6: yup. true enough.
thestringpuller: but i feel you it is a pain not having a place to store the private key
mod6: yeah, it makes it tough. i was worried about this before the project got off the ground, and it didn't disappoint.
mod6: But... i'm pretty much past it, for now. I'm looking forward to getting it out here soon and then working on the beta.
thestringpuller: yea it's why bank apps don't store anything locally
thestringpuller: most bank apps are web based and connect to a webpage based ap
thestringpuller: app*
thestringpuller: its really kind of a shame
thestringpuller: mod6: i pmed you my github account
mod6: yeah for sure.
mod6: oh ok!
thestringpuller: i don't got much on there cause I just don't have anything to collaborate with I usually just keep everything local
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18776 @ 0.0006002 = 11.2694 BTC [+]
mod6: Thanks again for the help/comments guise. :)
jurov: thestringpuller, next time just look into live.coinbr.com sauce
jurov: it uses some secret mpex apis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.0006002 = 6.4522 BTC [+]
dub: mother of christ
dub: more flash crashes this patch than ever before
jcpham: i need a nap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059499 = 2.571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18779 @ 0.00059474 = 11.1686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00059991 = 2.5922 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6651 @ 0.0006002 = 3.9919 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9115 @ 0.0006002 = 5.4708 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9335 @ 0.00060397 = 5.6381 BTC [+]