assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.105 = 1.68 BTC [+]
rg: MoneyIsDebt: because i agreed to be on MPEX
rg: someone was supposed to setup a broker site to MPEX
rg: so you could trade MPEX+GLBSE
rg: but SOMEONE never finished it
rg: besides, glbse is all mining bonds
rg: azelphur did most of the work
rg: he just never finished it
rg: if i had skill i'd finish it
rg: i dont understand why no one has finished it
rg: theres basically free money for the taking
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.105 = 1.89 BTC [+]
rg: even if you made $100/wk
Azelphur: rg: because I got scared, I really don't like the idea of handling large amounts of money
Azelphur: it's the sorta thing I'd loose sleep over lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is not peanuts, like "o i made an apple app with crows"
rg: you shoulda still finished it
rg: and let someone else run it
rg: and took a cut from the profit
rg: you're thinking too short term/small picture man
rg: that's the problem with bitcoin, no one is thinking big picture
rg: so much money for the taking
rg: and no one is taking it
rg: at least mircea is getting a piece of the action
rg: he basically opened up a whole new venue for people to grab a piece too
rg: Azelphur: small picture, again
rg: if you dont want money
rg: someone else will, eventually
MoneyIsDebt: But I have the same concerns as Azelphur - handling ppls money securely
mircea_popescu: rg : to be honest i think the right way to start is something like brendio is doing (maybe smickles was doing it too i dont recall) : brokerage services.
mircea_popescu: heck, back in the 1990s i used to CALL my broker, or drop by his office
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: mircea_popescu: But then, why not use opentransactions or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17698 @ 0.00038668 = 6.8435 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm about to cash out a bit :p
MoneyIsDebt: so what's the state of the brokerage code at the moment?
Azelphur: need some money since I kinda went on a shopping spree lol
MoneyIsDebt: well, I've already made a frontend for glbse
Azelphur: haha, that's just a very simple library that won't do a whole lot for an exchange
mircea_popescu: there's no mpex api in that sense. you have to pipe gpg strings in that's all.
Azelphur: MoneyIsDebt: it's difficult to work with
Azelphur: and after you do the first read, it just wipes all the data
rg: i have azelphurs exchange
rg: but i wouldnt give it out without permission
rg: i only have it in a vm backup
rg: i saved his vm image before i wiped it
rg: at least i think i still have it
rg: there is a good chance i do not
MoneyIsDebt: Since I'm potentially working on a competing product
Azelphur: yea, I don't particularly want it handed out because people tend not to understand what "no support" means
MoneyIsDebt: I don't want to be encumbered with copyright issues, unless it's really up for grabs
Azelphur: every time I give something out that is unfinished as no support, people pummel me with questions
rg: well Money, i dont think it really competes
rg: considering he gave up
Azelphur: it won't really be of any use to anyone, if someone is going to make an exchange they may as well do it from scratch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44778 @ 0.00038668 = 17.3148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00038369 = 23.8655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53818 @ 0.00037945 = 20.4212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00037831 = 11.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58675 @ 0.00037597 = 22.06 BTC [-]
rg: i was going to pay to have GLBSE do MPEX natively
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3870 @ 0.00037532 = 1.4525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00037487 = 12.5956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12859 @ 0.00037445 = 4.8151 BTC [-]
Azelphur: yea it was nice, maybe one day I'll rack up the courage to go back to it
rg: my real life is more important than IRC life
Harvey00: Government leaves you alone apparently
BTC-Mining: You have some guts approriating yourself the life of others
Luceo: If you want a government that will leave you alone
Luceo: Go to South America
Harvey00: The government might be communist but its incompetent
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Yeah or Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary good too
Harvey00: Farming communities secede from the Chinese government all the time.
Luceo: I might move to Romania, you guys have fast Internet and fine ladies :D
Harvey00: China is more American than America at its core.
mircea_popescu: heck, you can take the girls for a nude walk in the street there
Luceo: Yeah Chinese government doesn't give a fuck what you do as long as you dont' attack them
mircea_popescu: Luceo no joke on either score. romania interwebz is like top 5 IN THE WERLD.
☟︎ Luceo: mircea_popescu: I know, and I have a Romanian ex so
Luceo: I know Romania wins on the other count too ;)
Harvey00: I got bored of women after playing pua for too long.
rg: 1mb/512k to anywher eelse
mircea_popescu: i talk to my server at 32mpbs lol. how do you think i donwload all my meals.
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 i never got into that entire pua thing, seems so stupid.
Luceo: I get 200Mbit/40Mbit for about $70/m
rg: 22% [=======> ] 23,798,327 2.78M/s eta 27s
Harvey00: mircea_popescu: The principle of it is to be confident. anyways, yeah it's stupid because there's more to life.
mircea_popescu: that's not my objection even, i am confident by nature and experience.
mircea_popescu: BUT why the fuck am i talking to random idiots based on how they look ?
Luceo: mme.honv.tar.gz ~ D/L: 21,996.4 kbps
Harvey00: I need to stop being so nihilistic and depressed.
mircea_popescu: it's about 100x more efficient to just let my blog filter them out.
rg: i got to get some work done tonight
Luceo: mircea_popescu: :D
Harvey00: Also bitdaytrade is offering trading on margin
Harvey00: Watch the market go wacky with gamblers.
rg: well im moving to england soon
rg: so im ot getting a pet
Luceo: mircea_popescu: I need a pet
Luceo: I should get a kitten
rg: im already pissed i cant bring my fucking plants
rg: i spent so much time on these plants
rg: now i cant even bring them
mircea_popescu: rg : make them salad, eat them right before you go to airport.
mircea_popescu: Copyright ©2012 Bitdaytrade ltd. << is this a wannabe bitcoinica ?
rg: its james' desert plant collection
rg: theres a haworthia attenunata
Luceo: Cactus makes good beer
rg: i mighta been too late
Luceo: rg: When you come to Europe, go to Brussels
Luceo: And visit a bar called Delirium
mircea_popescu: ya rg, you couldbuy handmade lace for your nigger ass there!
Luceo: They sell about 1600 different beers
mircea_popescu: Luceo i know some guy who went into some bar like that with x beers. they had a gallon cup thing
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Delirium have a 2 liter cup, I know that much :P
Luceo: I go there about every 2 months, great fun
Luceo: And yeah the relevance was
Luceo: Delirium sell cactus beer
Luceo: Which I forgot to mention because I'm sleep deprived
Luceo: ~_~ I havent slept 10h in the last 48
mircea_popescu: and in between the nap and the sleep i had excellent sweet&sour pork and my toes suckled.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10435 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00112586 = 9.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3400 @ 0.0011183 = 3.8022 BTC [-]
Harvey00: BitDayTrade is for losers, nevermind
Harvey00: The site doesn't even bloody work
Harvey00: If I knew how to work that bloody thing.
Azelphur: confirmations taking 351235435234 years \o/
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: want some ebay laughs? :P
Azelphur: "new" "perfect condition" "comes with box and earphones!"
Azelphur: I especially love the lockscreen, they didn't give me the password
Azelphur: I already won that though, I have the phone and the money
Azelphur: I'm not gonna drop to his level though, I told him if he pays shipping he can have it back.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur authored 12 days ago < o hey, still maintained ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, smickles made a pull request
mircea_popescu: ya, add smickles to the list of people who are making a brokerage site.
rg: i use pympex pretty much exclusively
Luceo: I need to reg on mpex at some point
Azelphur: woo my nexus 7 has left the depot for delivery
Luceo: Im still waiting for my cheap Korean keyboard
Luceo: to replace this shitty $150 mechanical keyboard >_<
Azelphur: I saw a keyboard the other day that seriously tempted me to buy it
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Steelseries 7
Azelphur: it had a couple issues which put me offt hough
rg: Diablo-D3: i heard you ruined all the mining bonders days
rg: and for that, i thank you for the lulz
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.063] [Ask: 0.079] [Spread: 0.016] [Last: 0.079] [24hVol: 93.018791] [7dAvg: 0.05644972]
Azelphur: but, not mechanical, and no API for the LCD from what I can see
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Yes, they do
Azelphur: and no Linux support, and expensive
Diablo-D3: Luceo: theres like three keyboards worth owning
rg: Diablo-D3: did you post a statement?
Azelphur: but it looks kickass...I wants it :(
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Qsenn DT-35, best keyboard ever
Luceo: And they're about $10 :P
rg: also where is DMC's p/l statement?
Diablo-D3: rg: I didnt personally destroy bonds
rg: tell me and mircea what happened
Diablo-D3: and now they're forced to trade me 15mh per dmc
gribble: Error: "lube" is not a valid command.
Diablo-D3: I think Im going to start a motion to not pay dividends for the next few months as well
Diablo-D3: just so I can buy the market. all of it.
rg: can i give large share holders free VPS's ?
Luceo: I think that'd be dumb if it was illegak
Luceo: But you never know with the government
mircea_popescu: Luceo he means illegal in the mpex sense of that term.
rg: how can i prove people actually hold bitvps shares?
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Ohhh!
rg: i dont give a shit about the government
rg: im already breaking SEC regulations by even being listed on MPEX
rg: i just dont want to make 'the management' angry
rg: cause i love my share holders
rg: they gave me a lot of money
rg: for not that much in return
rg: so id like to make them happy?
mircea_popescu: yes. just make them money. happyness is what women are for.
rg: women are not worth the hassle more than half the time
Luceo: I need to update prices
rg: anyone who binds their happiness to a woman is missing out
Luceo: Bitcoin keeps shooting up :<
rg: i dont swing the other way
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Yeah
BTC-Mining: Yes, you undeserving business man. You're not shark enough! That's a crime according to the business entourage.
BTC-Mining: They'll judge and sentence you according to their laws.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining dun be a hater, this is the digital fronteer.
gribble: Best bid: 13.19993, Best ask: 13.19994, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.19994, 24 hour volume: 73786, 24 hour low: 12.29, 24 hour high: 13.45
mircea_popescu: i feel like im 12 again and every morning i wake up to a new party.
BTC-Mining: That's over 1/3rd than the bubble at it's high
BTC-Mining: I hope it goes back down by quite a bit eventually however
mircea_popescu: that past is forever closed in a crypt of awesome, and we'll just reminesce about it.
BTC-Mining: Well, transactions amount have raised overall. What was thought of as a fad that would go away at the turn of the first bubble actually survived quite well.
BTC-Mining: It's still a fast changing, small economy, but the outlook isn't bad for bitcoins
mircea_popescu: and we'll be thought of as titans, like the people with the 10k btc pizza.
BTC-Mining: 50 BTC x 6/hour x 24 h = 7200 generated daily
mircea_popescu: on a 7mn base 7k generated daily is like 40% inflation yoy.
mircea_popescu: the prices holding their ground in those conditions is unheard of irl.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170N] 1 @ 0.56779392 BTC [-]
Luceo: We'lll be the BTCilderberg Group? :P
BTC-Mining: That's about 1/10th of MtGox volume too
BTC-Mining: Once inflation is halved and less miners sell, it might gain more value.
mircea_popescu: 3600 added to a 13mn base is now more like usd inflation was
Luceo: Its k each of these BTC are going to be worth like
BTC-Mining: We'd need a 21 trillion market cap with all bitcoins generated for that.
mircea_popescu: i doubt 1mn really. i guess we'll see more like 20k tops.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, on thw face of it 21 trn seems doable, what, the world gdp is about there.
mircea_popescu: BUT most of that gdp is fake. the touch of btc will shring it to nothing.
mircea_popescu: the us gdp is not even 1 trn in bitcoin-convertible usd.
Luceo: I think probably $1k is achievable
Luceo: Above that may be difficult
Luceo: But I'll still be a multi-millionaire if we hit $1k so
markac: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'int' and 'float'
Luceo: Hmm, I wouldnt quite be there :P
mircea_popescu: i used a very conservative mpex share multiplyer of 10x.
Luceo: I got in with ~$2400 and got 800 BTC, first time around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0003965 = 9.1988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The first 10 securities that sold shares in value of 100BTC will get their registation fees of 10BTC reimbursed.
BTC-Mining: Has the USA's hat, it seems to be influenced a lot by their systems. Yet it does a lot of "un-sucky" things on the other side.
mircea_popescu: it does a lot of sucky things too. imo it's the unfortunate bastard of the us and europe
mircea_popescu: i mean, in england you can't own guns and the policeman can't ask for your id
rg: and theyre rewriting it cause the bitcoind src is garbage
mircea_popescu: in the us you have freedom of speech and everyone is stupid-liberal.
rg: bitcoind hasnt gotten any better
rg: w ehave all these new features
rg: and the client still BLOWS
rg: cause bitcoin-dev would rather argue about BIP-124958252752752
rg: than get anything real done
rg: i havent even started
rg: i just washed my fce mask off
rg: im going to an annual cook out this weekend
rg: and there is prime stockto fucking
rg: so my skin has to look nice
rg: its to clear up my face and make it look nice
rg: so i can trick a girl into having sex with me
rg: not all of us can have silky smooth, blemish free skin
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.118 = 0.472 BTC [+]
rg: so you have nasty skin under your beard
mircea_popescu: i have man skin. not silky who knows what not nasty, just human.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 725 @ 0.00375196 = 2.7202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.0003965 = 2.0257 BTC [+]
rg: and we're pasty white
rg: so any imperfections on the skin show up
rg: so when i go into public
BTC-Mining: rg: how about shaving and going out in the sun every now and then? Get some all natural "de-whitening" treatment?
rg: maybe if its not a million degrees out tomorrow ill go get one
rg: its on photobook.bitvps.com
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.105 = 2.73 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey was that there b4 ? i honestly thought you were black!
mircea_popescu: you sly dog you. i wouldn't worry about any blemishes.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 0.99 = 10.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30781 @ 0.0003965 = 12.2047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18793 @ 0.0003965 = 7.4514 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Seems there will need to be a pass-through since it's 100 BTC slices minimum
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.105 = 2.625 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Although contract states 9/10th of current rate
BTC-Mining: It's not his deposits operation, he created a new fund.
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I'll add a note about that in the thread I guess
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4600 @ 0.00112585 = 5.1789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00113125 = 2.3756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1271 @ 0.00113657 = 1.4446 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: Where are all these lending operations getting their profits from? Silk road customers paying 10% weekly interest, or?
mircea_popescu: i know some people lend to forum users, sorta consumer/retail loans
MoneyIsDebt: yes, high risk, but also expensive for the borrower
MoneyIsDebt: I guess if you're addicted to drugs and need to buy on SR you'd agree to those rates
MoneyIsDebt: I can't see many other reasons to take expensive bitcoin loans , especially now that the prices are skyrocketing
mircea_popescu: i would have expected honestly to see daisychain defaults in the banks
mircea_popescu: seeing how at the rates they charge a 2x increase in btc/usd means prolly 50x default increase.
mircea_popescu: tbh kludge is the most vulnerable i would guess, he got hit by an undisclosed loss in the owens case, if he also has a pile of toxic debt and the people start flooding out of his pirate passthrough thing...
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 3 @ 1.0499 = 3.1497 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 1.05 = 10.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.05 = 2.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if they were shorting bitcoin i'd see a lot more hedging volume on options.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: my honest oppinion is that this is mostly citizen banking. people playing around.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.1499 = 1.3491 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 14 @ 0.154 = 2.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.398 = 0.796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 551 @ 0.00113771 = 0.6269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3268 @ 0.00113791 = 3.7187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8681 @ 0.00113797 = 9.8787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2804 @ 0.00113753 = 3.1896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6000 @ 0.0011183 = 6.7098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5798 @ 0.0011145 = 6.4619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5458 @ 0.00111081 = 6.0628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7355 @ 0.00110983 = 8.1628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 585 @ 0.0011039 = 0.6458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5555 @ 0.0011039 = 6.1322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18600 @ 0.00107525 = 19.9997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 511 @ 0.00106054 = 0.5419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00103862 = 6.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14534 @ 0.0010386 = 15.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00038925 = 9.1474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24681 @ 0.00037445 = 9.2418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00037424 = 15.4935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00037327 = 2.9115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30336 @ 0.00036389 = 11.039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00036134 = 11.3461 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035927 = 15.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52047 @ 0.00034738 = 18.0801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30036 @ 0.00034723 = 10.4294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2672 @ 0.0010386 = 2.7751 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8188 @ 0.00103797 = 8.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 640 @ 0.001 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.99 = 8.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.99 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0003965 = 5.2338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747519 = 4121.2785 BTC [-]
nefario: wow that last one was a big one
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 78500 @ 0.001 = 78.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 2 @ 0.30232322 = 0.6046 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: Someone expects to be selling a lot of hashing
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 3 @ 0.13485739 = 0.4046 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bitdaytrade.com developer is a genius - he has been able to circumvent the max 21 million bitcoins limit. Now just have to wait 24 hours to withdraw.
mircea_popescu: i don't usually read reddit, it strikes me as about on par with bitcointalk, intellectually.
mircea_popescu: tesla museum. actually, there's a tesla museum in belgrade, i visited it.
nefario: they must have over 21 million coins
Harvey00: So people trading on margin now?
mircea_popescu: BitDayTrade.com operator has already lost 4000BTC before
nefario: I think it's the same thing
rg: the bitcoinica src was released
rg: i cant believe someone would attempt such a blatent rip off?!
Harvey00: I can't believe this. It's too funny to be true.
mircea_popescu: "Over the last two decades cybercrime has matured from the early days of curiosity-driven hackers and pranksters to a fully fledged industry. " fuck compuerworld.
mircea_popescu: buncha losers sitting in an office typing up crap nobody reads about things they don;'t understand.
rg: 'Is this based on the Bitcoinica trading engine?'
rg: Bitcoinica wasn't even the best engine
rg: to reuse it would be dumb
rg: the only reason they had market share was cause htey were the first
rg: posts can fuck right off
mircea_popescu: rg actually the reason they had market share was cause they had css.
nefario: seems to be from kronos.io
rg: nefario: eh lets just see what the author says
mircea_popescu: kronos was the thing kludge/owens/etc were working on ?
Harvey00: Well kronos.io is not going to have a good launch now
rg: [james@elephant ~]$ telnet bitdaytrade.com 22
rg: Trying 109.74.193.147...
rg: Connected to bitdaytrade.com.
rg: Escape character is '^]'.
rg: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu6
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 2 @ 0.33464076 = 0.6693 BTC [-]
rg: you've got to be shitting me
rg: this is setup EXACTLY like bitcoinica
rg: theres a PPTP VPN on it too
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 250 @ 0.23990007 = 59.975 BTC [+]
Harvey00: They actually hosted it on Linode?
nefario: and help process that other guys withdrawal
Harvey00: Not in the case of Bitcoinica, eh?
rg: the PPTP implimentation on the host is vulnerable to a bruteforce attack
rg: that allows 200-300 passwords/sec
mircea_popescu: password model does nto work for btc finance. end of story, srsly.
rg: debug1: Next authentication method: password
rg: root@109.74.193.147's password:
rg: faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail
Harvey00: It's good to see evolution happen instantly.
Harvey00: This is Darwinism at its finest.
mircea_popescu: problem is nobody says "i lost my btc because i was an imbecile"
nefario: I think most blame the operators
Harvey00: while the hacker lives it up on a cruise ship
Harvey00: I think most people admire the hackers for holding stupidity accountable.
mircea_popescu: in this case of bitcoinica redux on linode tho... wellll...
nefario: oh he's commented on the greater than 21million BTC thing
nefario: > Explanation: my friend was able to find a bug, which allowed him to trade his free 0.1 BTC to more than 25 million BTC. After he found out that there is 24 hour waiting time before withdraw, he realized that he might not get that money...
rg: You don't have permission to access /app/admin/ on this server.
Harvey00: Are they running the server apps as root?
Harvey00: Are they running as fucking root? lol
nefario: is there a proxy in front?
rg: give me a few minutes.
rg: apache does run as root
rg: it setuid's to a non priv user
rg: so it just drops privs
rg: for anything important
mircea_popescu: rg, i'll cut you a deal : for every million btc's you get on the guy;'s site i'll credit you 1 satoshi
Harvey00: WHY WOULD YOU RUN APACHE WITH FINANCIALS
rg: i will be emailing the admin
rg: without saying anything here
rg: but if i find less critical comical shit
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 well ostensibly you havw to talk to a browser at some point.
mircea_popescu: unless you want to do one of those really proprietary systems and have the client code on a rom chip in some purpose-made display thing.
Harvey00: Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.
Harvey00: You could even ban IPs that send too many suspicious requests.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 133819 @ 0.02747269 = 3676.3679 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.05 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 25 @ 0.05 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 53 @ 0.99 = 52.47 BTC [-]
rg: [05:08] <Harvey00> Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.
rg: you should let the client send whatever they want
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00037297 = 18.6485 BTC [-]
rg: its what you do with what they send that counts
rg: someone can send legitrequest;/bin/sh
rg: obviously you take that and flush it
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.98521 = 11.8225 BTC [-]
rg: blocking bad requests is just security through obscurity
rg: you just need to treat any input from the user as a potentially AIDS infected needle
Harvey00: Well, it's one tool out of many.
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 46 @ 0.05 = 2.3 BTC [-]
rg: its on the same line as hiding all your windoze boxes behind a firewall
rg: its not *really* secure
rg: you might not get hacked at first
rg: but eventually a skilled hacker will tear you apart
rg: SO many places... appear secure remotely
rg: but once you get into the 10.x
mircea_popescu: welcome to bruce wagner's discussion community - after you register, send an email to bruce@brucewagner.com and include your username, in order to join
rg: 192.168.x is the same as 10.x
nefario: mircea_popescu: most local networks firewall external only
rg: its a reserved subnet
rg: 10.x is a /8, 192.168 is a /16
rg: people with huge networks use 10.x
rg: you just use a real subject
rg: and dont pay attention to the fact that you can never route to those IPs
rg: asians do not believe in reverse DNS
rg: no for need to reverse DNS
rg: dishonorable hacker no find server
mircea_popescu: no wonder he writes python, he's got one of those keyboards.
MoneyIsDebt: I started coding python because I'm a monty python fan.
Azelphur: 4 x 2560x1440 monitors there :D
Azelphur: MoneyIsDebt: love me some python :)
mircea_popescu: Don't I look great... when my picture is this small...
mircea_popescu: You've (almost certainly inadvertently) stumbled upon my contact page... Aren't you lucky! :) You might know me from one of my venues, but feel free to roam around and explore some of the other things I'm into as well. And, of course, please don't hesitate to contact me. I'm very friendly, and I rarely bite (hard)...
mircea_popescu: Bruce Wagner is a Hollywood film producer, an American novelist, actor, screenwriter, and director, known for his acerbic view of the Hollywood entertainment industry.
Harvey00: and lets everybody lose their money on it
mircea_popescu: ok this is too funny. some guy's name actually is Shtylman ?!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0301 = 3.0903 BTC [-]
Harvey00: The wild trades are from BitDayTrade
Harvey00: and they are probably broke already
Harvey00: The 50 BTC 1 minute orders and sells
nefario: I thought it was something else
Harvey00: Don't put no more than .01 BTC in there.
rg: fuck i want mybitcoin.com
nefario: how much did they amount to
Harvey00: They are probably still sleeping
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 but i mean if they sold btc they got usd nao, why'd they be broke ?
Harvey00: Because they have obligations to the snot nosed traders wrecking the system.
BTC-Mining: Broke? Done? With so many gullible depositors, are you sure it's not planned? Why, seeing how easy it is to setup something insecure, why not do that and run with the money right away?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.0003965 = 18.4373 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: No more is the need for ??? steps between profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00037297 = 3.767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7261 @ 0.00034723 = 2.5212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22639 @ 0.00033437 = 7.5698 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: 1. Bitcoinica > 2. Profit > 3. Bitdaytrade > 4. Profit > 5. etcetcetc
BTC-Mining: With such anonymity and bad security chained wallets/trading platforms...
BTC-Mining: How easy would it be to change name each time and create a "new" wallet/trading platform? Leave it completly unsecure in all appearance.
BTC-Mining: Blame a hack, run with money, create a new?
Harvey00: People will eventually get standards
mircea_popescu: we don't need standards as much as we need better hats
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.03 = 25.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.0202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.02 = 25.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 19 @ 1.011 = 19.209 BTC [-]
nefario: news is getting to shareholders
rg: tell that asshole nefario to drop the portugal host
rg: that all the boxes tunnel to
rg: but it all tunnels to a host in portugal
rg: so its only as strong as its weakest link
BTC-Mining: Well, if they actually worked on it... IT MIGHT be secure, but appear completly unsecure. All depends on what's done on the background.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining that sounds like something from the "trust me i know what i'm doing" comicbook
rg: this guy in -otc starts chatting
BTC-Mining: Would be better to have obfuscation for the sake of not attracting bad traffic too
rg: hes the owner of a site we use *every* day
rg: nefario: its still slow and its not in portugal?
nefario: it's slow because we've got a shitonne of bots
rg: lets upgrade you to a dual E5
rg: LSI 9260 raid controller
BTC-Mining: So who's that guy in otc? What's his website?
rg: that's what cal2.vm.bitvps.com is
rg: you could partition it out into your whole infrastructure
rg: and the nice thing about a box like that is .. you grow into it
rg: you need another machine? you provision it
rg: no contacting the data center
rg: you basically hold all the keys
rg: mircea_popescu: dude i hate to admit it, i am a great salesman
rg: mircea_popescu: close, MA
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.95 = 2.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0111 = 3.0333 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 21 @ 1.011 = 21.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1.01 = 6.06 BTC [-]
Harvey00: BitVPS is clearly one of the best things to invest in.
Harvey00: rg is just too awesome for his own good
BTC-Mining: I don't invest in it but I've done some small work from time to time for rg
BTC-Mining: If I work for it, maybe it would make sense to invest in it eh
Harvey00: Yeah, as Marx said, the workers should own their means of production. ; )
rg: BTC-Mining is my go-to
rg: for *anything* web related
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0101 = 3.0303 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1.01 = 4.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 12 @ 1 = 12 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: I wouldn't recommend server setup/security however, or advancing scripting (web development)
BTC-Mining: I don't know much about that. I can help for almost anything else.
rg: you need some CSS/PHP/HTML done? BTC-Mining is your guy
rg: i think he did everything for bitvps
rg: wait.. btc-mining, did you do the currnet bitvps.com template?
rg: i think it was some random guy
rg: he translated it from a static HTML template to wordpress
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 13 @ 1 = 13 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 35 @ 1 = 35 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
rg: (which btc-mining can do as well)
rg: every last trade has been a -
assbot: [GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 1] [Ask: 1.06979999] [Spread: 0.06979999] [Last: 1] [24hVol: 194.66369993] [7dAvg: 1.04599856]
BTC-Mining: I vaguely integrated the Wordpress template for Bitvps to plain html/css to frame around bitvps's WHMCS client area
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7205 @ 0.00100069 = 7.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2795 @ 0.00111824 = 3.1255 BTC [+]
rg: i forget who did the original template
rg: i dont even think he exists anymore
rg: btc-mining: get ready
rg: and its gonna be a HUGE pain in the ass
rg: check index.php's CSS
rg: btc-mining: cause its your favorite, wordpress
BTC-Mining: As in PHP sepatates the template from the page
Harvey00: I always end up going to notepad in the end
mircea_popescu: jesus god wagner is hitting on the bitfloor kid on the show
BTC-Mining: Acka a dynamic page containing the template and loading the content.
Harvey00: Wagner always has a rape face.
rg: bruce LOVES the thai lady boys
rg: remember when thye found his posts on the thai ladyboy website?
BTC-Mining: You don't need the CMS tho, unless you can't code/place elements for each subpage
mircea_popescu: and im thinking yeah, it has the volume of a lithe 15 yo anorexic. less is more!
BTC-Mining: Well in any case, goodbye, I'm off for the day
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00111824 = 1.6774 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
Harvey00: Guys BitDayTrade's passwords and email are out in the open
rg: that is not a surprise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 550 @ 0.00378408 = 2.0812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 39 @ 0.0037982 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 711 @ 0.0037991 = 2.7012 BTC [+]
rg: we were *just* talking about how poorly setup it is
DeaDTerra: as soon as I get somewhere to hedge they get hacked xD
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.3901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00038921 = 15.7241 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0011 = 3.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 1.001 = 50.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9999 = 2.9997 BTC [+]
rg: DeaDTerra: be glad you figured it out now
rg: not after you had 1+ BTC in there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5820 @ 0.00038921 = 2.2652 BTC [+]
usagi: Unsalted md5 passwords. What the fuck?
usagi: You know that when you hear that
usagi: it was a setup, right?
usagi: When you hear "unsalted md5 passwords" it is THIS CLOSE to criminal negligence
usagi: Who wrote this shit
usagi: I am designing a system right now where the user passwords encrypt their data individually , so that even if someone breaks into the system they can't do anything to the user accounts.
usagi: It uses a two-part in-memory-only salt which means the system can't be brought up unless two people are logged in to type the salts at the same time
usagi: Who uses unsalted md5 hashes?
dub: diablo's blog is down as well
DeaDTerra: rallying prices, bearish GLBSE market and decrease in payouts from Pirate. With no way to hedge against the price increase, how the fuck am I going to be able to make a profit now...
farfi: there are 3 choices- pirate- mining "turds"- and business's that never seem to work out....
usagi: DeaDTerra; Roll your fund into NYAN and work for me.
rg: if you actually own a decent amount of shares
rg: you will get a decent payout
DeaDTerra: Right now the GLBSE market is looking shit.
DeaDTerra: We have pirate which seems to be crashing, we have mining bonds that are crashing and we have mining operations which also are crashing.
DeaDTerra: then we have Rebate and such projects which all get hacked and fail...
farfi: out of all the options pirate has been the most reliable :)
usagi: I have so many bitvps shares that it pays for my hosting.
leotreasure: i'm considering starting a Bitcoin based banking operation
leotreasure: just reading up on legislative requirements
farfi: only x50 than Diablo
leotreasure: i'm thinking maybe just try to raise 10m on the assumption that prices will continue to rise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14513 @ 0.00035471 = 5.1479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113 @ 0.00033437 = 0.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0003284 = 9.0967 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 89 @ 0.1010023 = 8.9892 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.101001 = 1.818 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 91 @ 0.101 = 9.191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9909 @ 0.00109698 = 10.87 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: farfi : actually, there's mpoe shares, mpoe bonds, there's the new cdo
mircea_popescu: there's btc/usd options, there's the hash options, there's tons of stuff.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra try mpoe.etf, the only glbse asset going up.
rg: paid out 55.5 BTC in divs last month!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [-]
gribble: Best bid: 13.28999, Best ask: 13.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.29, 24 hour volume: 113814, 24 hour low: 12.39995, 24 hour high: 13.84119
farfi: mircea_popescu: mpoe stuff? you mean on MPEX?
farfi: hehe no way.... I was blinded last time I looked at the site...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 339 @ 0.0037991 = 1.2879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you're in this for aesthetic reasons you should prolly try porn sites.
dub: which mircea_popescu can also help you with
dub: along with spam|scam|devilworship|luke-jr stuff
mircea_popescu: im just sick of pretty css + unhashed md5 passwords, and people STILL go for it.
dub: according to ciucui anyway
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747022 = 4120.533 BTC [-]
rg: i wonder if this new customer i got
rg: would be interested in opening an asset
rg: theyre a very big site
rg: most of their customers were USD tho
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
usagi: At $15 if I cash out
usagi: I tripled my money
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0001 = 3.0003 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 50000 @ 0.001 = 50 BTC
usagi: mircea do you have a yubikey?
usagi: my system is getting better now
usagi: We will be giving free yubikeys to our users.
DeaDTerra: Mircea, I am hedging against the increase of Bitcoin price ofc
Harvey00: usagi, what masterpiece do you have now that requires yubikeys?
usagi: I showed it to you
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1005 = 0.5025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [-]
Harvey00: Ah, well, I'm still perplexed.
usagi: I'm working on a non-yubikey + password and/or google auth login
mircea_popescu: yubikeys are pretty much application independent neh ?
usagi: then it will be open to the public
DeaDTerra: where and how can I but these options?
DeaDTerra: I have been buying futures on icbit.se but it's very low volume :(
Harvey00: Things will make sense in good time I suppose
usagi: I need some data for yubikeys which is not publicly available right now
usagi: it is the last missing link in my software
usagi: Once I get it... boom
Harvey00: After Meni Rosenfield force buybacks my POLY.10.1 I'll be on MPEX
Harvey00: Basically you use it to long bitcoins.
Harvey00: I've already doubled some of my Bitcoins on it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 350 @ 0.00381824 = 1.3364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 531 @ 0.00382842 = 2.0329 BTC [+]
Harvey00: All I can say is that Meni Rosenfield has a lot of money.
Harvey00: ...and call me racist but he's a Jewish financial wizard.
Harvey00: Nah. He's just an Israeli with a weird name.
mircea_popescu: he pissed me off once by reusing some asset contract and pretending he came up with it or something
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.44 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]
usagi: The problem is to short something, someone else has to loan you shares.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: I might buy some options, though I need to read up on how your system works firs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.0000998 = 14.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 50 @ 1.45 = 72.5 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: there are tons of different options what's the difference betwhen them?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 21 @ 0.02939266 = 0.6172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 22 @ 0.02660151 = 0.5852 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes, all options expire on the last friday of a given month
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9871 = 3.9484 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: No, I have used futures and levarage/margin trading only
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4449 @ 0.00032653 = 1.4527 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 7 @ 0.118 = 0.826 BTC [+]
Harvey00: I think we are going to hit 15 today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 397 @ 0.00382842 = 1.5199 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In June, 2012, a team of computer scientists claimed to have developed a method of quickly extracting the secret key generated by several RSA dongles including the SecurID 800. Calling themselves "Team Prosecco," the group published a research paper documenting their findings which they plan to present at a cryptography conference in August, 2012.
rg: i believe that's the research that depended on a compromised system
rg: if a system was already compromised, rsa isnt going to do much
Harvey00: DeaDTerra: I made over 100 Bitcoins betting over 1000 Bitcoins it wouldn't pop below $10. ; )
rg: s/worst/most dangerous/
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.987 = 9.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 0.98521 = 5.9113 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.98511 = 2.9553 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: okay so what do I do if I want to open a long position for 100 BTc?
DeaDTerra: first of I need a account on MPOE right?
mircea_popescu: well if you have an account you deposit the btc and issue a buy order.
DeaDTerra: a buy order, for which contract/asset
mircea_popescu: well, whichever you pick. if you expect the price to go up you eiother buy a long call or sell a put
DeaDTerra: and is the email thing still valid or is it done over MPOE?
mircea_popescu: that 1st post there is stale by now, things changed. i mostly gave you the link for the following posts, with the various hedging stratefgies
DeaDTerra: okay, I will go read all of this and do some additional research and I will get back to you :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.98511 = 15.7618 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.9851 = 8.8659 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not something to be rushed into, you know. complex financial instruments.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.9851 = 15.7616 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.985 = 4.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.982 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I just feel like this is something I should research as I need to know what I am getting into
mircea_popescu: and you should also test your understanding with small trades first.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.98 = 19.6 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: and it seems quite complex, but it's probably something I will end up investing in as I need to be able to long, as the increase in price is having a huge effect on GBF
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4991 @ 0.00109698 = 5.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.971 = 2.913 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 6 @ 1.4 = 8.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.04 = 4.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.026 = 6.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.98 = 4.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P070N] 10 @ 0.05061451 = 0.5061 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 3 @ 1.10000001 = 3.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.6309 = 5.0472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 25 @ 0.1 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.099 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.65001 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.6501 = 2.6004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 10 @ 0.92608283 = 9.2608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.8659938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.85628426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 37 @ 0.84916565 = 31.4191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 14 @ 0.02660151 = 0.3724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 36 @ 0.02454581 = 0.8836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 23 @ 0.01521074 = 0.3498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 1 @ 0.78380747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 56 @ 0.77224847 = 43.2459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 31 @ 0.92608283 = 28.7086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 23 @ 0.03353078 = 0.7712 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96010013 = 2.8803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 0.96000013 = 5.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.459 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: It's due to the security concerns :8
rg: i told i told you guys to buy s.bvps...
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 80 @ 0.98 = 78.4 BTC [+]
rg: people will give their money to anything
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1151 = 1.7265 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
usagi: everyone please read this
usagi: I feel this is important.
rg: do you think its fair to scrutinize other people like that .. i mean.. the #2 highest volume asset on glbse has NOTHING verified
rg: you think its fair to demand something of another asset when so many dont ask it from the #2 top highest volume
rg: or do you think the people who are perpetrating this scam are seeing that
rg: and wanting to exploit it
rg: they should ALL provide ID
rg: at least photo ID/ Email
usagi: Yes it's a new asset
usagi: And "from this day forth" I believe, I really do believe
usagi: we need higher standards.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3903 = 0.7806 BTC [+]
rg: he should put a vote to the users
usagi: nefario knows what I want.
nefario: usagi has already talked to me about this asset
rg: we could probably force him
nefario: I told him to voice his converns on the forums
rg: nefario: we could probably force yuo
usagi: rg's idea is excellent
usagi: Well, that ties in with tiered accounts which I mentioned to you already Nefario
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00033366 = 7.2071 BTC [+]
rg: now that its out there
rg: people can either agree or disagree
rg: and we can go from there
rg: if people want a change, it should change
rg: more safety for glbse users == more money in glbse == more trading == more fees == nefario becomes Nefario Dotcom and buys mansion in NZ
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2700 @ 0.00108128 = 2.9195 BTC [-]
usagi: Lol Nefario Dotcom
rg: do you own any nefario.tld type domains
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10751 @ 0.00033014 = 3.5493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00032439 = 0.8593 BTC [-]
rg: Domain "NEFAR.IO" - Available
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [-]
rg: MPEX should have a GLBSE assetr
rg: so each exchange has the others asset
rg: glbse needs a lil textbox at the top of the markets page
rg: where you can start typing an asset
rg: and it pops up and has a check box next to it
rg: start typuing another
rg: until you have all the assets you want to vew
rg: and then it displays them all on the same page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00379232 = 0.7585 BTC [-]
rg: and you can save your vies
rg: to manage different groups of assets
rg: like one page is shitty loser miner bonds
rg: the next page is legit sweet IPOs like bitvps
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6909 @ 0.00108128 = 7.4706 BTC [-]
rg: and then the next page is when we integrate MPEX with GLBSE so you can do options
rg: so if you could get on that
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.9999 = 7.9992 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 1 = 11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 1 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 1.005 = 20.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 1.0058 = 30.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00033366 = 2.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.10435 = 1.774 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.9399 = 2.8197 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00032711 = 6.9347 BTC [-]
smickles: < DeaDTerra> first of I need a account on MPOE right? <<< or a broker
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4768 @ 0.00109882 = 5.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02701 = 2.054 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.027 = 6.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 37 @ 1.026 = 37.962 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.1407 = 2.1105 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 23 @ 0.1406 = 3.2338 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.4999 = 3.9992 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 55 @ 0.5 = 27.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 27 @ 0.51 = 13.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 15 @ 0.0999 = 1.4985 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 11 @ 0.51 = 5.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8612 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.14050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5332 @ 0.00111255 = 5.9321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4244 @ 0.0010947 = 4.6459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4460 @ 0.00106247 = 4.7386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120N] 2 @ 0.2153441 = 0.4307 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.6309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00033366 = 12.946 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.98270001 = 3.9308 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.51408 = 1.5422 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.51418 = 2.0567 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.069 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.122 = 2.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 2 @ 1.1 = 2.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00034102 = 15.8233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.05026751 = 0.5027 BTC [+]
farfi: can make some nice money even on those
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [-]
farfi: bought at 0.03 sold at 0.05 was happy!
farfi: all in a few hours
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: sorry for the suckers who bought at .05 though, lol
farfi: somebody said the same to me when i bought @ 0.03 :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 3 @ 0.07799999 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9399 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.02000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00034102 = 5.5245 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51408 = 1.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3211 @ 0.00034205 = 1.0983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45189 @ 0.00034216 = 15.4619 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 2 @ 0.39001013 = 0.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.1389 = 0.4167 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i still haven't fully grasped what the story with dmc is
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.02 = 0.66 BTC [-]
rg: its a secret apparentl
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1179 = 1.7685 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PGM] 4 @ 0.00011 = 0.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21430 @ 0.00034216 = 7.3325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20670 @ 0.00034243 = 7.078 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 1.118 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 2 @ 1.119 = 2.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 17 @ 0.118 = 2.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1031 = 1.5465 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.103 = 2.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1001 = 2.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.90000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 49 @ 0.9 = 44.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00033919 = 20.4192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 642 @ 0.00033431 = 0.2146 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 12 @ 0.9999 = 11.9988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22130 @ 0.00034243 = 7.578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.000343 = 2.5039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00034969 = 3.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00035038 = 0.4099 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00106827 = 5.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
blazing: i wonder if it will go up again
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.122 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.114 BTC [-]
JWU_42: YABMC remains low - but nothing announced RE ASIC
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 4 @ 0.4001 = 1.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 34 @ 0.4 = 13.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.459 = 2.918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2640 @ 0.00106247 = 2.8049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 16175 @ 0.001 = 16.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18354 @ 0.00099981 = 18.3505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8838 @ 0.00099782 = 8.8187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3993 @ 0.00099389 = 3.9686 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 100 @ 0.00988 = 0.988 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.0099 = 0.0792 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: thats what i did, why buy when btc is at $5 for asic, wait until its $25 in nov then buy lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: even if i pay double in usd i still get 2 times as much
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11555 @ 0.00099389 = 11.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 445 @ 0.00097641 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.1049 = 1.6784 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: So whos going to London and the Bitcoin conference? :)
Chaaaang-Noi: they will just get hit about bitcoinica and intersango all the time
area: Intersango is down as of this morning, but it's certainly not dead
area: (trades aren't executing for some reason)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1038 = 0.3114 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: area its a named party in a us lawsuit it can't afford to defend.
DeaDTerra: I just want to have a good time and support Bitcoins, I really hope that the whole even doesn't become a Bitcoinica/Intersango whine feast, with tons of angry bitcoineers :(
DeaDTerra: that would destroy the whole thing
DeaDTerra: sigh xD oh well, I am going there for the people not for the speeches anyways.
DeaDTerra: pff yea because there are so many girls in Bitcoins xD
area: I cashed out some coins with them yesterday, and it all went smoothly, but I will admit am consciously doing it a bit at a time, rather than all in one go.
DeaDTerra: GirlsgoneBitcoins are just girls that make money from sad bitcoineers. They don't give a shit about Bitcoins, I doubt they will care to go to London for a bitcoin conference.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.96969799 = 9.697 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 7 @ 0.96979799 = 6.7886 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.97 = 9.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 23 @ 0.9778 = 22.4894 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, anyone who is into btc for the girls is well... sick in the head
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: why? they could charge 50 btc for a blow job
Chaaaang-Noi: im into btc cuz i can convert it into gold and fiat and then give it to females... works much better:)
Chaaaang-Noi: also sadly i dont really support the intersango guys right now cuz of how many times the feed me bs about bitcoinica
Chaaaang-Noi: whats a good excel like thing that is free for windows? anything better than google docs?
Chaaaang-Noi: okay thats get to be better than this google thing
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 6 @ 1.4799 = 8.8794 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.92000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 0.92 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.91000002 = 16.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.974 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 20 @ 1.069 = 21.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 0.999 = 24.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 97 @ 0.07 = 6.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07899998 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: the only thing i need it for is to auto sum, where is that lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 5 seconds
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]
smickles: libreoffice is to open office as chromium is to chrome
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.02999999 = 5.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]
smickles: Azelphur: unless you mean that chromium fighter-jet game :P
Azelphur: anyone here happen to be lawyery btw?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 10 @ 0.63 = 6.3 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: so, I got this phone off ebay, "perfect condition" "new", when it got here it was obviously used, lots of damage, parts missing, etc. After a complaint the seller gave me a refund. I asked him to pay shipping to return the phone, but never heard from him since. How long until the phone is mine?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00035038 = 12.1932 BTC [+]
Azelphur: surely there's a time limit on it?
Azelphur: I mean it's only been like a day since I messaged him
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1131 = 1.6965 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 10 @ 0.113 = 1.13 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and in any case i don't see anyone sueing for conversion of a damaged phone.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: because I either wanna use it, or buy another phone.
Azelphur: + I sold my old phone to my brother and he's waiting for it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
Azelphur: I'd prefer not to spend ages setting it up, only to have to return it
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 42 @ 1.0002 = 42.0084 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.0001 = 4.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 49 @ 1 = 49 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.97 = 2.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 28 @ 0.91000001 = 25.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 51 @ 0.9 = 45.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.80000001 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.8 = 14.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 0.8 = 40 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4598 = 2.9196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.999 = 8.991 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.991 = 29.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9902 = 3.9608 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9901 = 1.9802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 55 @ 0.99 = 54.45 BTC [-]
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.029 = 3.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 10 @ 1.09 = 10.9 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Chaaaang-Noi: Les Brasseurs du Temps?
assbot: [GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 0.8] [Ask: 0.97] [Spread: 0.17] [Last: 0.8] [24hVol: 677.95006849] [7dAvg: 1.00720586]
EskimoBob: so, are the 7% zeros gone forever?
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: Invalid price supplied.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: BDT [1@1BTC] (since: 2012-08-09) paid: 0.03 BTC. Last price: 0.8 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2 BTC. Total: -0.17 BTC. (-17%)
kakobreklaa: you can drop the date if you are looking for all data since begining
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: COGNITIVE [1@1BTC] paid: 0.07560087 BTC. Last price: 0.6309 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3691 BTC. Total: -0.29349913 BTC. (-29.3%)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.10389 = 0.7272 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: this thing is going to hot 20 EUR by September
kakobreklaa: >>Alberto says that it was originally bcrypt but there were implementation issues so he temporarily switched to MD5. As mentioned I'm not a security expert so I can't assess how plausible this is. I'll wait for Alberto to make a clarification of this and other issues.
mircea_popescu: but then there were implementation issues so i just raped her isntead.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.105 = 10.5 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: damn, I wanted to buy this ASICMINER but I had to travel and lost out on IPO
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: DMC holds a lot of asicminer shares.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: I hope not too many :) this is a risky one and chinese are involved so this can be just another scam
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its enough to back the next stage of growth BEFORE they start paying out.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 7 @ 0.1 = 0.7 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: did they sell all the shares or will be there another dump at 1?
kakobreklaa: afaik there are private deals to be made still
Diablo-D3: there are private deals, but you'll have to talk to deadterra
EskimoBob: all 3 of them are in china I think
EskimoBob: fkn americans, cant even get the fkn ASIC done without the CH slave drivers .. LOL
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 4 @ 0.71 = 2.84 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: >>As far as I can tell Alberto can fix the current issues; and even if Bitdaytrade ends up a dead end (merely the bad press from this controversy could harm its growth), he can still fulfill the bond contract.
Diablo-D3: the fab company is one of the largest companies in the world
EskimoBob: "kakobreklaa | china is in everybody. " no wonder china is synonym to shit
Diablo-D3: usagi: yes, but the japanese have drawn -tans of every country
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1179 BTC [+]
usagi: Who wants to make 200 bitcoins modifying bitcoind for me
Diablo-D3: Ive always wanted a domo kun, small enough to sit on the corner of my monitor
EskimoBob: usagi: I can modify it for you if you want. Fork over the coin and I'll make sure it's modified
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 40 @ 0.0501 = 2.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 450 @ 0.05 = 22.5 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: you can use permanent marker to draw one :)
EskimoBob: i did that to several white boards just for fun
usagi: I'm looking at the code and I feel so depressed im never going to figure this out
Diablo-D3: actually, I think I saw a papercraft one
usagi: it would literally take me 2 months
Diablo-D3: but goddamned do I suck at papercraft =/
usagi: I need to be able to encrypt private keys on a key by key basis
EskimoBob: usagi: I can do it in one but no guarantees. I have never programmed :)
usagi: I'm looking at CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example, which is a good place to prevent coins from being spent, if you can connect a tx to an address/privkey
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 23 @ 0.1 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 35 @ 0.099 = 3.465 BTC [-]
usagi: So theoretically if I put a bool locked in, say, CWalletKey (?).... and then.... um
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.995 = 4.975 BTC [-]
usagi: Then I need to make that variable persist and I'm already lost
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]
usagi: command "encryptkey <privkey> <password>" and associated commands
usagi: Kind of like encrypting a whole wallet and still being able to maintain balance info as transactions come in
usagi: but on a key by key basis
usagi: For 200 though I don't want it in main for at least 1 year :p
usagi: Can you do it Kakobreklaa?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.98879 = 1.9776 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wasn't that guy that coded some useful coin control stuff a year ago, it;s still not merged ?
usagi: Well the idea I have so far is to mark each private key (and address) with a locked flag, as I stated, then freeze spending in CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example. Then a second feature would be to encrypt individual keys.
usagi: Yes the coin control stuff is a good place to start
usagi: Instead of selecting addresses it would exclude flagged addresses
usagi: The next step would be to persist the exclusionary information and encrypt the keys.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00034931 = 2.7595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 700 @ 0.00376746 = 2.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9101 = 3.6404 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.91 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 379 @ 0.05 = 18.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00034931 = 0.8733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29658 @ 0.00033431 = 9.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38455 @ 0.00033199 = 12.7667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00035038 = 2.1307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0003572 = 4.8222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00036186 = 15.3429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35521 @ 0.00036614 = 13.0057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40435 @ 0.0003838 = 15.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00039586 = 21.3764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.0003965 = 3.197 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1403 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.13777 = 2.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1375 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.1375 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.93 = 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: so I can put the mpex one on ignore
Diablo-D3: yeah but ignore is server side so no wasted bandwidth =P
kakobreklaa: hopefully cryptostocks will be streaming soon as well
mircea_popescu: apparently macfeylard is new to this entire interwebz thing.
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
kakobreklaa: hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.93 = 3.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.9725] [Ask: 0.995] [Spread: 0.0225] [Last: 0.995] [24hVol: 291.40071997] [7dAvg: 1.09786791]
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
kakobreklaa: but anyway it wouldnt work before even if it was valid
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.1015 = 1.7255 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i imagined you took assbot offline to add the mpex tickers.
Diablo-D3: [03:10:12] <kakobreklaa> hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs
kakobreklaa: new hd is in place and all will be well :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.09 = 0.81 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: man I wish obsi.1mhs dividend day was coming soon
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.1015 = 0.609 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.5101 = 1.5303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02745586 = 4118.379 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 250 @ 0.04 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.98879 = 7.9103 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10389 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00376746 = 0.7535 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: "Jonathan Ryan Owens locked Rebate, Zip.A, Alberto & BDT thread "
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and thus ended the Kronos project, and any and all involvement with Alberto and my group.
mircea_popescu: wasn't this to be the end-all beat-all securities exchange ?
Chaaaang-Noi: he and mathew took the money and ran, blamed it on this fall guy
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Will technically it is not magic, the only problem is that it's not 100% safe against exploits
DeaDTerra: ZIpCOnf still works and can still be used, but not publically and not for everyone. It can still be used by trusted parties.
mircea_popescu: The realization that I had gotten in to bed with a criminally minded guy, leaves me to only blame myself. Nothing changes the fact that I am ultimately responsible to the people who have been in my support. What's worse is that *very few* real world investors want to touch anything Bitcoin related with a ten foot pool. If you have to ask yourself why, take a look at the current price. Look at the ponzis (Pirate), look at the most ro
mircea_popescu: bust markets and ask yourself "If I was an investor, would I put any faith or money into Bitcoin businesses?"
mircea_popescu: For 99% of investors who could make Bitcoin happen, the answer is a resounding "NO."
mircea_popescu: how dares this asshole mingle me in his feting pool of failures.
Chaaaang-Noi: i think he hacked himself and he and mathew kept the investment money and ran
Chaaaang-Noi: also deadt no offince but i think you were feed a bunch of BS.
mircea_popescu: they don't love the sort of half baked shit that goes on on the forums, sure.
DeaDTerra: I was feed a lot of bullshit, I was fooled and not told the whole truth.
DeaDTerra: There is no way to know the truth unless it's proben.
DeaDTerra: I am just saying what I am told, of course I don't know if ZipConf actually work.
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, but working with crimanals like mathew and jro is fail in my book
kakobreklaa: also i got a word from a source who have worked with zipconf
DeaDTerra: I wouldn't say they are criminal, they are innocent until the opposite is true.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.39989999 = 1.5996 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: mathew and zhou are in the same boat :) call them what you will lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00098397 = 5.1166 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: What I do agree on is that this whole thing has been run in a incorrect manner and with little respect to the investors money.
DeaDTerra: With little to no communication and a sea of lies and cover ups
Luceo: Yay my new keyboard is here :D
Luceo: $10 keyboard replacing $150 keyboard
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 900 @ 0.00011716 = 0.1054 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00035871 = 7.784 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: obsi.1mhs: 19th, btc-mining: 20th, btcmc: 1st.
DeaDTerra: JRO,Matthew and the whole crew in charge of ZipConf and Rebate.
Diablo-D3: explains why their shit was locked
DeaDTerra: Though I think JRO is planning to do whats right and repay the investor.
DeaDTerra: at least thats what he says he will
Diablo-D3: yeah but you know how that goes =/
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1370 @ 0.00097641 = 1.3377 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.15388 = 0.7694 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that kenna dude from tradehill who is owen's partner in some land development
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I'm paying 2 DMC for 1 ASICMINER, and 9 DMC for 1 BTC-MINING
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00035871 = 9.0395 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: dmc .03ish and yet will trade 2 of them for an asset worth .1 lol
Diablo-D3: Im still accepting 15 1mh bonds/shares for 1 DMC as well
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 3 @ 0.49999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.39989999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically you'll take anything to divest from your own company ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they're not my private shares.
Diablo-D3: those you can pry out of my cold dead hands
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.6309 = 4.4163 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 40 @ 0.5 = 20 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: but the next size target for DMC is 15 mhash, so I'm trading accordingly
Diablo-D3: basically, DMC is locking down the mh market and using the output to further fund the plan.
mircea_popescu: giga's 5mh/s trade around 1, you want three of those, that's 3btc.
mircea_popescu: the dmc is doing nothing to no market. it's 2k lifetime trade volume clearly indicate that.
Diablo-D3: the trade volume doesnt include shares trasferred
mircea_popescu: well the problem we have here is this : you think yours worth 1, they go for .0x. you think his worth .05 they go for 1.
mircea_popescu: so we'll have to leave your opinions on valuations aside for a moment.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: have you not read the plan?
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i recall reading that and pointing out that you're too late for the 1mn bitcoin start-up.
mircea_popescu: so basically you envisage a very capital intensive investment
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that the market is not mature enough to make that move yet.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.39989999 = 1.1997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: even in that paradigm, i don't understand why you'd be holding other people's paper.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 100 @ 0.034 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00035121 = 2.8799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00034212 = 0.6921 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: some people do agree with you on the market not being ready yet
Diablo-D3: but someone has to be the first, and being the first is always hard
Diablo-D3: as for holding other people's paper... its worth it.
Diablo-D3: I cant have the hardware here at my house
Diablo-D3: so Im effectively leasing it out from other people
mircea_popescu: well i'll tell you this, unlike most everyone i don't think you're necessarily foolish. maybe a little haughty. the thing is, it's not enough for something to be hard to make it worth doing.
mircea_popescu: commodification is a natural process, you can'd "do" it any more than you can rain.
Diablo-D3: that still doesnt solve the problem
Diablo-D3: I actually wanted to invest in someone else being the first... but there wasnt one
Diablo-D3: theres no one else whos doing real world things at this large of a scale in the bitcoin world
mircea_popescu: yes but there's a reason, see ? tghe reason is that it's much cheaper to test things out on a small scale.
mircea_popescu: if they fail you don't end up with large capital costs writen off as losses this way.
Diablo-D3: yes, but for what the plan covers... that IS a small scale.
Diablo-D3: when google or amazon build a data center, its thousands of racks
Diablo-D3: DMC's first one will be a few dozen
mircea_popescu: the main problem still is how come you own other people's paper.
mircea_popescu: if you ipo as a shoe factory you can't take the money and buy shoe factory shares in other factories
Diablo-D3: [04:53:49] <Diablo-D3> I cant have the hardware here at my house
Diablo-D3: [04:54:11] <Diablo-D3> so Im effectively leasing it out from other people
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, but your example is _almost_ right
Diablo-D3: Tesla didnt have a car factory when they built their company
Diablo-D3: they did business with another manufacturer to get it done
Diablo-D3: now they can afford their own factory
Diablo-D3: I'm ipo'ing as a company that does many things
Diablo-D3: DMC is in a bad spot by being the first. We can't just leave the money sit
Diablo-D3: and there are no large scale investment funds
mircea_popescu: i think you'd have been a lot happier if that contract was better written tbh.
mircea_popescu: cause i think this "being in a bad spot for being first" is mostly self-pity. in fact, it's in a bad spot by poor communication with market.
Diablo-D3: the market doesnt communicate well, so its not a one sided problem
Diablo-D3: a lot of things have already gotten better because of DMC
mircea_popescu: surely. the only thing is that the market we can do nothing about.