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MoneyIsDebt: rg: Just curious - why not on glbse?
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.105 = 1.68 BTC [+]
rg: MoneyIsDebt: because i agreed to be on MPEX
rg: someone was supposed to setup a broker site to MPEX
rg: so you could trade MPEX+GLBSE
rg: but SOMEONE never finished it
rg: besides, glbse is all mining bonds
mircea_popescu: lol someone is like i dun remember, 6 ppl ?
rg: shit is useless
rg: azelphur did most of the work
rg: he just never finished it
rg: if i had skill i'd finish it
Azelphur: :D
mircea_popescu: jurov was working on it too
rg: but i don ot
mircea_popescu: i think he's on vacations\
rg: i dont understand why no one has finished it
mircea_popescu: and there more i duno recall right off
rg: theres basically free money for the taking
rg: whoever does it
mircea_popescu: yes.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.105 = 1.89 BTC [+]
rg: even if you made $100/wk
Azelphur: rg: because I got scared, I really don't like the idea of handling large amounts of money
mircea_popescu: i think many people lack the discipline.
rg: it'd be worth it
Azelphur: it's the sorta thing I'd loose sleep over lol
mircea_popescu: or that.
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is not peanuts, like "o i made an apple app with crows"
MoneyIsDebt: what money
rg: so
mircea_popescu: this is... you fuck up, you're on the hook
rg: you shoulda still finished it
rg: and let someone else run it
mircea_popescu: for... 10k btc, 150k usd, your house. ouch.
rg: and took a cut from the profit
rg: you're thinking too short term/small picture man
rg: that's the problem with bitcoin, no one is thinking big picture
rg: so much money for the taking
mircea_popescu: MoneyIsDebt check this out for instance
rg: and no one is taking it
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/mpex-devtalk/http://trilema.com/2012/mpex-devtalk/
rg: at least mircea is getting a piece of the action
rg: he basically opened up a whole new venue for people to grab a piece too
Azelphur: rg: I'm getting plenty :)
rg: but no one has
rg: Azelphur: small picture, again
Azelphur: nou
mircea_popescu: bah that was fucked up wtf.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/mpex-devtalk/
rg: shrug
rg: if you dont want money
rg: dont take it
rg: someone else will, eventually
MoneyIsDebt: I'd be interested
MoneyIsDebt: But I have the same concerns as Azelphur - handling ppls money securely
mircea_popescu: rg : to be honest i think the right way to start is something like brendio is doing (maybe smickles was doing it too i dont recall) : brokerage services.
mircea_popescu: no site, no automation, old style.
mircea_popescu: heck, back in the 1990s i used to CALL my broker, or drop by his office
mircea_popescu: and we'd trade via telex ffs.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: mircea_popescu: But then, why not use opentransactions or something
mircea_popescu: im not familiar with that project
mircea_popescu: past knowing it exists.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17698 @ 0.00038668 = 6.8435 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jee the mrket is punishing me for my ignorance ?
mircea_popescu: have mercy i r but human!
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm about to cash out a bit :p
mircea_popescu: what, you had money ?
MoneyIsDebt: so what's the state of the brokerage code at the moment?
Azelphur: need some money since I kinda went on a shopping spree lol
mircea_popescu: MoneyIsDebt huh ?
MoneyIsDebt: if I wanted to finish it
MoneyIsDebt: is it available?
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone released anything.
MoneyIsDebt: ok
mircea_popescu: well, Azelphur released a python bot
mircea_popescu: what was it, pympex ? on git ?
MoneyIsDebt: well, I've already made a frontend for glbse
Azelphur: haha, that's just a very simple library that won't do a whole lot for an exchange
mircea_popescu: o ? can we see it ?
MoneyIsDebt: I haven't looked at the mpex api
mircea_popescu: there's no mpex api in that sense. you have to pipe gpg strings in that's all.
Azelphur: MoneyIsDebt: it's difficult to work with
Azelphur: ^ indeed
Azelphur: and after you do the first read, it just wipes all the data
rg: i have azelphurs exchange
rg: but i wouldnt give it out without permission
mircea_popescu: Azelphur hm ?
rg: i only have it in a vm backup
Azelphur: hehe
rg: i saved his vm image before i wiped it
MoneyIsDebt: Don't give me anything yet
rg: at least i think i still have it
rg: there is a good chance i do not
MoneyIsDebt: Since I'm potentially working on a competing product
Azelphur: yea, I don't particularly want it handed out because people tend not to understand what "no support" means
MoneyIsDebt: I don't want to be encumbered with copyright issues, unless it's really up for grabs
Azelphur: every time I give something out that is unfinished as no support, people pummel me with questions
rg: well Money, i dont think it really competes
rg: considering he gave up
rg: and its unfinished
Azelphur: yea
MoneyIsDebt: What language did you use?
Azelphur: it won't really be of any use to anyone, if someone is going to make an exchange they may as well do it from scratch
Azelphur: python/django
MoneyIsDebt: cool
rg: i liked it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44778 @ 0.00038668 = 17.3148 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00038369 = 23.8655 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53818 @ 0.00037945 = 20.4212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00037831 = 11.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58675 @ 0.00037597 = 22.06 BTC [-]
rg: i was going to pay to have GLBSE do MPEX natively
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3870 @ 0.00037532 = 1.4525 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00037487 = 12.5956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12859 @ 0.00037445 = 4.8151 BTC [-]
rg: but nefario is all
Azelphur: yea it was nice, maybe one day I'll rack up the courage to go back to it
rg: no
rg: im going to china
rg: my real life is more important than IRC life
rg: bla bla
BTC-Mining: ........
mircea_popescu: hahaha what ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf is everyone going to china for ?
rg: misc. reasons
mircea_popescu: it's cheaper to import the hos.
Harvey00: Government leaves you alone apparently
Luceo: :D
BTC-Mining: You have some guts approriating yourself the life of others
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 the COMMUNIST govt leaves you alones ?
MoneyIsDebt: communist china - land of the free
Luceo: If you want a government that will leave you alone
mircea_popescu: jesus x what did the us come to.
Luceo: Go to South America
MoneyIsDebt: too bad the US went to hell
mircea_popescu: Luceo or romania.
Harvey00: The government might be communist but its incompetent
MoneyIsDebt: liberty wise
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Yeah or Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary good too
Harvey00: Farming communities secede from the Chinese government all the time.
Luceo: I might move to Romania, you guys have fast Internet and fine ladies :D
mircea_popescu: or the czech republic, serbia
Harvey00: China is more American than America at its core.
mircea_popescu: heck, you can take the girls for a nude walk in the street there
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit.
Luceo: Yeah Chinese government doesn't give a fuck what you do as long as you dont' attack them
mircea_popescu: Luceo no joke on either score. romania interwebz is like top 5 IN THE WERLD. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i get 12mbps for like $30
Luceo: mircea_popescu: I know, and I have a Romanian ex so
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: well then.
mircea_popescu: where you from ?
Luceo: I know Romania wins on the other count too ;)
rg: mircea_popescu: lol
rg: 12mb inside romania
Luceo: Switzerland
Harvey00: I got bored of women after playing pua for too long.
rg: 1mb/512k to anywher eelse
mircea_popescu: rg nope.
mircea_popescu: i talk to my server at 32mpbs lol. how do you think i donwload all my meals.
rg: we pay like $50/mo
rg: and get 2MB/sec
Harvey00: you wouldn't download a steak
rg: and 600KB/sec up
mircea_popescu: not without sauce i wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 i never got into that entire pua thing, seems so stupid.
Luceo: I get 200Mbit/40Mbit for about $70/m
rg: 22% [=======> ] 23,798,327 2.78M/s eta 27s
Harvey00: mircea_popescu: The principle of it is to be confident. anyways, yeah it's stupid because there's more to life.
mircea_popescu: that's not my objection even, i am confident by nature and experience.
mircea_popescu: BUT why the fuck am i talking to random idiots based on how they look ?
Luceo: mme.honv.tar.gz ~ D/L: 21,996.4 kbps
mircea_popescu: dude, i need clever women.
rg: i need some espresso
Harvey00: I need to stop being so nihilistic and depressed.
mircea_popescu: it's about 100x more efficient to just let my blog filter them out.
rg: i got to get some work done tonight
Luceo: mircea_popescu: :D
rg: i have been slacking
rg: i need to FINISH
rg: the god damn
Harvey00: Also bitdaytrade is offering trading on margin
rg: bitvps website
mircea_popescu: rg you need a pet.
Harvey00: Watch the market go wacky with gamblers.
rg: well im moving to england soon
rg: so im ot getting a pet
Luceo: mircea_popescu: I need a pet
Luceo: I should get a kitten
rg: im already pissed i cant bring my fucking plants
mircea_popescu: im selling pets, nice tits, great ass, 10k btc a pop.
mircea_popescu: lifetime.
rg: shit is fucking gay
rg: i spent so much time on these plants
rg: now i cant even bring them
mircea_popescu: rg : make them salad, eat them right before you go to airport.
mircea_popescu: stick it to the man.
rg: theyre not food
mircea_popescu: Copyright ©2012 Bitdaytrade ltd. << is this a wannabe bitcoinica ?
rg: its james' desert plant collection
rg: theres a haworthia attenunata
rg: a cactus
rg: and another cactus
mircea_popescu: cactus makes great salad.
rg: the cactus might die
Luceo: Cactus makes good beer
rg: i rescued it
rg: i mighta been too late
mircea_popescu: and it's called attenuata
Luceo: rg: When you come to Europe, go to Brussels
Luceo: And visit a bar called Delirium
mircea_popescu: ya rg, you couldbuy handmade lace for your nigger ass there!
Luceo: They sell about 1600 different beers
Luceo: and 400 absinthes
mircea_popescu: Luceo i know some guy who went into some bar like that with x beers. they had a gallon cup thing
mircea_popescu: and he ordered a shot of each beer.
mircea_popescu: like 200+ lmao
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Delirium have a 2 liter cup, I know that much :P
Luceo: lol
Luceo: I go there about every 2 months, great fun
mircea_popescu: maybe it was 2liter, i recall but vaguely.
Luceo: And yeah the relevance was
Luceo: Delirium sell cactus beer
Luceo: Which I forgot to mention because I'm sleep deprived
mircea_popescu: i just slept 10 hours or so
mircea_popescu: im fresh as a newborn babe.
Luceo: ~_~ I havent slept 10h in the last 48
mircea_popescu: and before that i took a 4 hr nap
mircea_popescu: and in between the nap and the sleep i had excellent sweet&sour pork and my toes suckled.
Harvey00: ....
mircea_popescu: the life of a btc financier is fraught with danger.
mircea_popescu: peril
mircea_popescu: and horrors diverse.
Diablo-D3: that is disgusting.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: don't knock it till you've had it, i say.
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8700 @ 0.00112586 = 9.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3400 @ 0.0011183 = 3.8022 BTC [-]
Harvey00: BitDayTrade is for losers, nevermind
Harvey00: The site doesn't even bloody work
Diablo-D3: Harvey00: hes a troll, dont worry
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 go get margin on mpex eh.
Harvey00: If I knew how to work that bloody thing.
mircea_popescu: haha. just use Azelphur's python tool srsly.
Harvey00: will google
mircea_popescu: hm
Azelphur: confirmations taking 351235435234 years \o/
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/Azelphur/pyMPEx
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: want some ebay laughs? :P
mircea_popescu: sure
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW
Azelphur: "new" "perfect condition" "comes with box and earphones!"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: someone showed me a destructified one just yest
mircea_popescu: also from ebay
Azelphur: I especially love the lockscreen, they didn't give me the password
mircea_popescu: no wait, i think it was you lol
Azelphur: I already won that though, I have the phone and the money
Azelphur: so it's like "what now bitch"
Azelphur: :P
Azelphur: I'm not gonna drop to his level though, I told him if he pays shipping he can have it back.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur authored 12 days ago < o hey, still maintained ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, smickles made a pull request
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: ya, add smickles to the list of people who are making a brokerage site.
mircea_popescu: that's 3, but im pretty sure there were more
mircea_popescu: course some musta quit i guess
rg: i use pympex pretty much exclusively
Azelphur: :D
Luceo: I need to reg on mpex at some point
Azelphur: woo my nexus 7 has left the depot for delivery
Azelphur: go postman, go.
mircea_popescu: Luceo better sooner than later lol.
Luceo: Im still waiting for my cheap Korean keyboard
Luceo: to replace this shitty $150 mechanical keyboard >_<
Azelphur: xD
Diablo-D3: >shitty
Diablo-D3: >mechanical
Diablo-D3: wat
Azelphur: I saw a keyboard the other day that seriously tempted me to buy it
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Steelseries 7
Azelphur: it had a couple issues which put me offt hough
Luceo: It's junk
Diablo-D3: oh
rg: Diablo-D3: i heard you ruined all the mining bonders days
mircea_popescu: !ticker dmc
Diablo-D3: Luceo: that company produces shit
Azelphur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3AbwJON7ECk
rg: and for that, i thank you for the lulz
Diablo-D3: dont buy from them
Azelphur: shits tempting as hell
assbot: [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.063] [Ask: 0.079] [Spread: 0.016] [Last: 0.079] [24hVol: 93.018791] [7dAvg: 0.05644972]
Diablo-D3: rg: well it was an accident
Azelphur: but, not mechanical, and no API for the LCD from what I can see
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Yes, they do
mircea_popescu: owow it went up.
Azelphur: and no Linux support, and expensive
Diablo-D3: Luceo: theres like three keyboards worth owning
rg: Diablo-D3: did you post a statement?
Azelphur: but it looks kickass...I wants it :(
Luceo: Diablo-D3: Qsenn DT-35, best keyboard ever
mircea_popescu: rg what did he do anyway ?
Luceo: And they're about $10 :P
rg: also where is DMC's p/l statement?
Diablo-D3: rg: I didnt personally destroy bonds
Diablo-D3: I used asicminer to do it
rg: tell me and mircea what happened
mircea_popescu: wasnt that deadterra's ?!
Diablo-D3: and now they're forced to trade me 15mh per dmc
mircea_popescu: ya srsly lol
mircea_popescu: ;;lube assbot
gribble: Error: "lube" is not a valid command.
Diablo-D3: I think Im going to start a motion to not pay dividends for the next few months as well
mircea_popescu: you don't know what life is, gribs.
Diablo-D3: just so I can buy the market. all of it.
mircea_popescu: what market ?
rg: mircea
rg: is this illegal:
rg: can i give large share holders free VPS's ?
Luceo: I think that'd be dumb if it was illegak
Luceo: illegal*
Luceo: But you never know with the government
mircea_popescu: i don't see why'd it be illegal.
rg: im just making sure
mircea_popescu: Luceo he means illegal in the mpex sense of that term.
rg: how can i prove people actually hold bitvps shares?
rg: yeah
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Ohhh!
rg: i dont give a shit about the government
mircea_popescu: rg you can't really check.
rg: im already breaking SEC regulations by even being listed on MPEX
rg: i just dont want to make 'the management' angry
mircea_popescu: unless they show you STATs.
rg: easly faked
mircea_popescu: but even so, why'd you want to do that ?
rg: =/
rg: uhh
rg: cause i love my share holders
mircea_popescu: they're anon.
rg: they gave me a lot of money
rg: for not that much in return
rg: so id like to make them happy?
rg: is THAT a crime?
mircea_popescu: yes. just make them money. happyness is what women are for.
rg: women are not worth the hassle more than half the time
Luceo: I need to update prices
Luceo: AGAIN
Luceo: -_-
mircea_popescu: what prices ?
rg: anyone who binds their happiness to a woman is missing out
Luceo: VPS prices
mircea_popescu: didn't know you swung the other way rg.
Luceo: Bitcoin keeps shooting up :<
mircea_popescu: Luceo you run a vps too ?
rg: i dont swing the other way
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Yeah
BTC-Mining: Yes, you undeserving business man. You're not shark enough! That's a crime according to the business entourage.
BTC-Mining: They'll judge and sentence you according to their laws.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining dun be a hater, this is the digital fronteer.
BTC-Mining: I'm not serious eh
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: unseriousness is illegal.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin iz srs bzns.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck we're over 13 ?!
Luceo: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 13.19993, Best ask: 13.19994, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.19994, 24 hour volume: 73786, 24 hour low: 12.29, 24 hour high: 13.45
mircea_popescu: i feel like im 12 again and every morning i wake up to a new party.
BTC-Mining: Aye... lots of asks being added
BTC-Mining: but even more bids
mircea_popescu: was as high as 13.45 fo reals.
BTC-Mining: That's over 1/3rd than the bubble at it's high
BTC-Mining: except growth is much slower...
BTC-Mining: I hope it goes back down by quite a bit eventually however
mircea_popescu: i honestly think we'll prolly close the year ~20
mircea_popescu: and we'll never see under 10 ever again.
mircea_popescu: that past is forever closed in a crypt of awesome, and we'll just reminesce about it.
BTC-Mining: Well, transactions amount have raised overall. What was thought of as a fad that would go away at the turn of the first bubble actually survived quite well.
Luceo: $25 by year end
mircea_popescu: yup. and the rewards are halving
BTC-Mining: It's still a fast changing, small economy, but the outlook isn't bad for bitcoins
BTC-Mining: That too.
mircea_popescu: that is the key factor i think.
mircea_popescu: i imagine by 2015 everyone is trading in milibtc
mircea_popescu: and we'll be thought of as titans, like the people with the 10k btc pizza.
BTC-Mining: 50 BTC x 6/hour x 24 h = 7200 generated daily
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining the point nobody understands is inflation.
mircea_popescu: on a 7mn base 7k generated daily is like 40% inflation yoy.
mircea_popescu: the prices holding their ground in those conditions is unheard of irl.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P170N] 1 @ 0.56779392 BTC [-]
Luceo: We'lll be the BTCilderberg Group? :P
mircea_popescu: countries with 40% year inflation flounder.
BTC-Mining: That's about 1/10th of MtGox volume too
mircea_popescu: Luceo not you, the rest of us. the ppl with money.
mircea_popescu: :D
Luceo: :o
Luceo: I has money :P
BTC-Mining: Once inflation is halved and less miners sell, it might gain more value.
mircea_popescu: way faster.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing, rewards double
mircea_popescu: 3600 added to a 13mn base is now more like usd inflation was
mircea_popescu: back in the 90s when that economy worked still
Luceo: Its k each of these BTC are going to be worth like
Luceo: $1m one day
Luceo: np :D
BTC-Mining: Nah...
BTC-Mining: We'd need a 21 trillion market cap with all bitcoins generated for that.
mircea_popescu: i doubt 1mn really. i guess we'll see more like 20k tops.
mircea_popescu: in our lifetimes.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, on thw face of it 21 trn seems doable, what, the world gdp is about there.
mircea_popescu: BUT most of that gdp is fake. the touch of btc will shring it to nothing.
mircea_popescu: the us gdp is not even 1 trn in bitcoin-convertible usd.
Luceo: I think probably $1k is achievable
Luceo: Above that may be difficult
Luceo: But I'll still be a multi-millionaire if we hit $1k so
Luceo: Sounds good to me
mircea_popescu: .py 10^9 * 0.003 * 10^3
markac: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'int' and 'float'
mircea_popescu: aww!
mircea_popescu: .py 10**9 * 0.003 * 10**3
markac: 3000000000.0
mircea_popescu: hey, billionaire!
Luceo: Hmm, I wouldnt quite be there :P
Luceo: yet ;)
mircea_popescu: i used a very conservative mpex share multiplyer of 10x.
mircea_popescu: considering it went like 4x since april...
Azelphur: there we go, cashed out $900
Luceo: I got in with ~$2400 and got 800 BTC, first time around
mircea_popescu: haha my first buy was 1k usd for 60 btc
BTC-Mining: Canada is a weird thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0003965 = 9.1988 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The first 10 securities that sold shares in value of 100BTC will get their registation fees of 10BTC reimbursed.
BTC-Mining: Has the USA's hat, it seems to be influenced a lot by their systems. Yet it does a lot of "un-sucky" things on the other side.
BTC-Mining: As the USA's hat*
mircea_popescu: it does a lot of sucky things too. imo it's the unfortunate bastard of the us and europe
mircea_popescu: has inherited the stupidities of both.
rg: its not anonymous
mircea_popescu: i mean, in england you can't own guns and the policeman can't ask for your id
mircea_popescu: in canada you can't own guns.
rg: and theyre rewriting it cause the bitcoind src is garbage
mircea_popescu: in the us you have freedom of speech and everyone is stupid-liberal.
rg: bitcoind hasnt gotten any better
mircea_popescu: in canada everyone is stupid-liberal.
mircea_popescu: etc.
rg: w ehave all these new features
rg: and the client still BLOWS
rg: cause bitcoin-dev would rather argue about BIP-124958252752752
rg: than get anything real done
mircea_popescu: did you finish your site rg
mircea_popescu: or are just arguing about bitcoin-d
rg: i havent even started
rg: i just washed my fce mask off
rg: im going to an annual cook out this weekend
rg: at a friends
mircea_popescu: your. im sorry, your face mask ?
rg: and there is prime stockto fucking
rg: so my skin has to look nice
rg: i dont have sex much
rg: but when i do
mircea_popescu: dude the day i wear face masks to get laid...
rg: its at this bbq
rg: umm
rg: its not to get lid
rg: its to clear up my face and make it look nice
rg: so i can trick a girl into having sex with me
rg: not all of us can have silky smooth, blemish free skin
mircea_popescu: my face ain't silk smooth.
mircea_popescu: besides i got a beard half the time
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.118 = 0.472 BTC [+]
rg: so you have nasty skin under your beard
rg: i cant grow a beard
mircea_popescu: i dont have nasty skin lol.
mircea_popescu: i have man skin. not silky who knows what not nasty, just human.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 725 @ 0.00375196 = 2.7202 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jesus god what is happening to this worl;d
rg: well
rg: im irish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.0003965 = 2.0257 BTC [+]
rg: and we're pasty white
rg: so any imperfections on the skin show up
rg: a lot
rg: so when i go into public
rg: i have to do stuff
mircea_popescu: i thought you were black !?
rg: shut your mouth...
BTC-Mining: rg: how about shaving and going out in the sun every now and then? Get some all natural "de-whitening" treatment?
mircea_popescu: nah, i knew an irish lass
rg: i cant shave
mircea_popescu: she's shave and go in the sun
rg: or else i look 14
mircea_popescu: and then she'd freckle the fuck up
mircea_popescu: rg hos wanna do 14yo bois all da time.
rg: i need a haircut
rg: maybe if its not a million degrees out tomorrow ill go get one
mircea_popescu: but srsly, did i ever see a pic of you ?
rg: probably
rg: its on photobook.bitvps.com
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.105 = 2.73 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey was that there b4 ? i honestly thought you were black!
mircea_popescu: you sly dog you. i wouldn't worry about any blemishes.
mircea_popescu: and where's draco anymore.
BTC-Mining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101012.0
BTC-Mining: Well I have created a new asset.
mircea_popescu: gl with it.
BTC-Mining: It's not much but eh.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.99 = 2.97 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 0.99 = 10.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30781 @ 0.0003965 = 12.2047 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18793 @ 0.0003965 = 7.4514 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: Seems there will need to be a pass-through since it's 100 BTC slices minimum
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.105 = 2.625 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i thought he paid 1% a week, where's 2.25 from ?
BTC-Mining: Target and maximum return
BTC-Mining: Although contract states 9/10th of current rate
BTC-Mining: It's not his deposits operation, he created a new fund.
mircea_popescu: o
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
BTC-Mining: I'll add a note about that in the thread I guess
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4600 @ 0.00112585 = 5.1789 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00113125 = 2.3756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1271 @ 0.00113657 = 1.4446 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: Where are all these lending operations getting their profits from? Silk road customers paying 10% weekly interest, or?
mircea_popescu: MoneyIsDebt this is unclear.
mircea_popescu: i know some people lend to forum users, sorta consumer/retail loans
mircea_popescu: but they seem insanely high risk to me.
MoneyIsDebt: yes, high risk, but also expensive for the borrower
MoneyIsDebt: I guess if you're addicted to drugs and need to buy on SR you'd agree to those rates
MoneyIsDebt: I can't see many other reasons to take expensive bitcoin loans , especially now that the prices are skyrocketing
mircea_popescu: i would have expected honestly to see daisychain defaults in the banks
mircea_popescu: seeing how at the rates they charge a 2x increase in btc/usd means prolly 50x default increase.
mircea_popescu: tbh kludge is the most vulnerable i would guess, he got hit by an undisclosed loss in the owens case, if he also has a pile of toxic debt and the people start flooding out of his pirate passthrough thing...
mircea_popescu: course this is all speculation.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 3 @ 1.0499 = 3.1497 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 10 @ 1.05 = 10.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FOO.PPPPT] 2 @ 1.05 = 2.1 BTC [+]
MoneyIsDebt: maybe lenders are simply shorting bitcoin
MoneyIsDebt: but they must be in trouble these days...
mircea_popescu: if they were shorting bitcoin i'd see a lot more hedging volume on options.
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: my honest oppinion is that this is mostly citizen banking. people playing around.
MoneyIsDebt: could be
MoneyIsDebt: pirate is playing bigtime though ;)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.1499 = 1.3491 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 14 @ 0.154 = 2.156 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not everyone is equally responsible.
mircea_popescu: take 30 kids to the seaside
mircea_popescu: ten will play on the beach, twenty in the water
mircea_popescu: of which one will drown.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.398 = 0.796 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 551 @ 0.00113771 = 0.6269 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3268 @ 0.00113791 = 3.7187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8681 @ 0.00113797 = 9.8787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2804 @ 0.00113753 = 3.1896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6000 @ 0.0011183 = 6.7098 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5798 @ 0.0011145 = 6.4619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5458 @ 0.00111081 = 6.0628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7355 @ 0.00110983 = 8.1628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 585 @ 0.0011039 = 0.6458 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5555 @ 0.0011039 = 6.1322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18600 @ 0.00107525 = 19.9997 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 511 @ 0.00106054 = 0.5419 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00103862 = 6.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14534 @ 0.0010386 = 15.095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00038925 = 9.1474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24681 @ 0.00037445 = 9.2418 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.00037424 = 15.4935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00037327 = 2.9115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30336 @ 0.00036389 = 11.039 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00036134 = 11.3461 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035927 = 15.736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52047 @ 0.00034738 = 18.0801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30036 @ 0.00034723 = 10.4294 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2672 @ 0.0010386 = 2.7751 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8188 @ 0.00103797 = 8.4989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 640 @ 0.001 = 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9901 = 3.9604 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.99 = 8.91 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 7 @ 0.99 = 6.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0003965 = 5.2338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747519 = 4121.2785 BTC [-]
nefario: wow that last one was a big one
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 78500 @ 0.001 = 78.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 2 @ 0.30232322 = 0.6046 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: : ▃▃▃
BTC-Mining: I mean...
BTC-Mining: :███
BTC-Mining: Someone expects to be selling a lot of hashing
BTC-Mining: Mircea...
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P100N] 3 @ 0.13485739 = 0.4046 BTC [-]
rg: hehe
mircea_popescu: sup
rg: arf arf
nefario: anyone had a look at the front page of the bitcoin subreddit lately http://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Bitdaytrade.com developer is a genius - he has been able to circumvent the max 21 million bitcoins limit. Now just have to wait 24 hours to withdraw.
mircea_popescu: that ?
mircea_popescu: i don't usually read reddit, it strikes me as about on par with bitcointalk, intellectually.
nefario: Thats the funniest one
Harvey00: So bitdaytrade is up?
mircea_popescu: tesla museum. actually, there's a tesla museum in belgrade, i visited it.
nefario: should be
nefario: they must have over 21 million coins
Harvey00: So people trading on margin now?
mircea_popescu: BitDayTrade.com operator has already lost 4000BTC before
mircea_popescu: is this really different from bitcoinica ? how ?
nefario: I think it's the same thing
nefario: I don't know really
mircea_popescu: it looks like the same thing.
rg: who is he
rg: oh my god
rg: it is bitcoinica
rg: the bitcoinica src was released
rg: i cant believe someone would attempt such a blatent rip off?!
mircea_popescu: haha is it actually based on the bitcoinica source ?
mircea_popescu: just diff css etc ?
Harvey00: I can't believe this. It's too funny to be true.
mircea_popescu: "Over the last two decades cybercrime has matured from the early days of curiosity-driven hackers and pranksters to a fully fledged industry. " fuck compuerworld.
mircea_popescu: who do they take themselves for ?
rg: i just emailed him
rg: asking what the fuck
rg: well
rg: more like
mircea_popescu: buncha losers sitting in an office typing up crap nobody reads about things they don;'t understand.
rg: 'Is this based on the Bitcoinica trading engine?'
rg: Bitcoinica wasn't even the best engine
rg: to reuse it would be dumb
Harvey00: Short answer: No.
nefario: I don't think so
Harvey00: Long answer: Yeeesssssss
rg: the only reason they had market share was cause htey were the first
nefario: read the other post
mircea_popescu: lol Harvey00
rg: i dont read posts
rg: i email and use IRC
rg: posts can fuck right off
mircea_popescu: rg actually the reason they had market share was cause they had css.
rg: i hate the forum
nefario: seems to be from kronos.io
rg: nefario: eh lets just see what the author says
mircea_popescu: kronos was the thing kludge/owens/etc were working on ?
Harvey00: Well kronos.io is not going to have a good launch now
rg: [james@elephant ~]$ telnet bitdaytrade.com 22
rg: Trying
rg: Connected to bitdaytrade.com.
rg: Escape character is '^]'.
rg: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu6
rg: AND hosted on linode
nefario: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/yb89v/bitdaytradecom_operator_has_already_lost_4000btc/
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P160T] 2 @ 0.33464076 = 0.6693 BTC [-]
rg: you've got to be shitting me
mircea_popescu: ahaha WIN
rg: this is setup EXACTLY like bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: winwinwinwinwinwinwinwin
rg: theres a PPTP VPN on it too
rg: open to the public
Harvey00: Whoa
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 250 @ 0.23990007 = 59.975 BTC [+]
nefario: well sign in there
Harvey00: They actually hosted it on Linode?
Harvey00: Again!?
nefario: and help process that other guys withdrawal
mircea_popescu: linode is solid.
nefario: rock solid
Harvey00: Not in the case of Bitcoinica, eh?
mircea_popescu: gypsum rock solid.
nefario: lol
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 your sarcasm detector is hosed.
rg: nice
rg: not only that
mircea_popescu: did you host it on linode ?
rg: the PPTP implimentation on the host is vulnerable to a bruteforce attack
rg: that allows 200-300 passwords/sec
rg: to be bruteforced
mircea_popescu: password model does nto work for btc finance. end of story, srsly.
rg: debug1: Next authentication method: password
rg: root@'s password:
rg: faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail
Harvey00: It's good to see evolution happen instantly.
Harvey00: This is Darwinism at its finest.
nefario: well
mircea_popescu: problem is nobody says "i lost my btc because i was an imbecile"
nefario: better fail now
nefario: than later
mircea_popescu: everybody blames the vague hacker.
nefario: really?
nefario: I think most blame the operators
Harvey00: while the hacker lives it up on a cruise ship
mircea_popescu: or that.
Harvey00: I think most people admire the hackers for holding stupidity accountable.
mircea_popescu: in this case of bitcoinica redux on linode tho... wellll...
mircea_popescu: operators kinda should be blamed.
nefario: oh he's commented on the greater than 21million BTC thing
nefario: > Explanation: my friend was able to find a bug, which allowed him to trade his free 0.1 BTC to more than 25 million BTC. After he found out that there is 24 hour waiting time before withdraw, he realized that he might not get that money...
rg: You don't have permission to access /app/admin/ on this server.
rg: woot
rg: found the admin dir
Harvey00: hahaha
Harvey00: Wait
mircea_popescu: lol this is so funny
Harvey00: Are they running the server apps as root?
Harvey00: Are they running as fucking root? lol
nefario: depends
rg: look
nefario: is there a proxy in front?
nefario: if not
nefario: then yes
nefario: it's running as root
rg: give me a few minutes.
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: waitwait.
nefario: wait
mircea_popescu: apache runs as root ?
nefario: no
nefario: as user www
rg: apache does run as root
nefario: but at this standard
mircea_popescu: o gtfo
rg: it setuid's to a non priv user
rg: to serve out content
nefario: ah
nefario: my bad
rg: so it just drops privs
rg: for anything important
Harvey00: >apache
mircea_popescu: rg, i'll cut you a deal : for every million btc's you get on the guy;'s site i'll credit you 1 satoshi
mircea_popescu: up to a limit of 10 btc.
rg: if i find anything
rg: i will be emailing the admin
rg: without saying anything here
rg: but if i find less critical comical shit
rg: i will post it her
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 well ostensibly you havw to talk to a browser at some point.
mircea_popescu: unless you want to do one of those really proprietary systems and have the client code on a rom chip in some purpose-made display thing.
Harvey00: Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.
Harvey00: Reject everything else.
mircea_popescu: that you can.
nefario: nginx FTW
Harvey00: You could even ban IPs that send too many suspicious requests.
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 133819 @ 0.02747269 = 3676.3679 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.063 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.05 = 0.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 25 @ 0.05 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 53 @ 0.99 = 52.47 BTC [-]
rg: [05:08] <Harvey00> Well, you can have strict limits on what the client sends you.
rg: not exactly
rg: you should let the client send whatever they want
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00037297 = 18.6485 BTC [-]
rg: its what you do with what they send that counts
rg: i mean
rg: someone can send legitrequest;/bin/sh
rg: obviously you take that and flush it
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 12 @ 0.98521 = 11.8225 BTC [-]
rg: blocking bad requests is just security through obscurity
rg: you just need to treat any input from the user as a potentially AIDS infected needle
Harvey00: Well, it's one tool out of many.
rg: meh
Harvey00: http://brucewagner.com/forum
Harvey00: lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 46 @ 0.05 = 2.3 BTC [-]
rg: its on the same line as hiding all your windoze boxes behind a firewall
rg: its not *really* secure
rg: you might not get hacked at first
rg: but eventually a skilled hacker will tear you apart
rg: SO many places... appear secure remotely
rg: but once you get into the 10.x
rg: its a JOKE
nefario: my box
mircea_popescu: you mean 192.x ?
nefario: is so secure
nefario: I can't even use it
mircea_popescu: welcome to bruce wagner's discussion community - after you register, send an email to bruce@brucewagner.com and include your username, in order to join
mircea_popescu: this name is vaguely familiar.
rg: 192.168.x is the same as 10.x
nefario: mircea_popescu: most local networks firewall external only
rg: its a reserved subnet
mircea_popescu: is he the gay guy with a youtube show ?
nefario: yes
rg: 10.x is a /8, 192.168 is a /16
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: on both counts.
rg: people with huge networks use 10.x
rg: or if you're asian
rg: you just use a real subject
nefario: haha
rg: er
rg: subnet
rg: and dont pay attention to the fact that you can never route to those IPs
rg: ever again
nefario: racist internet
rg: facts, not racism
mircea_popescu: factism.
rg: asians do not believe in reverse DNS
Azelphur: photos of my desk, you want to look at them. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/August/20120816_090349%280%29.jpg
rg: 4ward DNS work lar
rg: r
rg: no for need to reverse DNS
rg: kekekeke
mircea_popescu: Azelphur add gf tits.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: lol
rg: dishonorable hacker no find server
rg: reerse DNS
rg: kekekek
rg: lar
mircea_popescu: dishonorable hacker ahaha
MoneyIsDebt: Azelphur: Zoom in. Enhance.
mircea_popescu: somebody set us up the trojan
mircea_popescu: no wonder he writes python, he's got one of those keyboards.
Azelphur: MoneyIsDebt: :P
MoneyIsDebt: I started coding python because I'm a monty python fan.
Azelphur: 4 x 2560x1440 monitors there :D
MoneyIsDebt: As good a reason as any....
Azelphur: MoneyIsDebt: love me some python :)
MoneyIsDebt: import ni;
mircea_popescu: Don't I look great... when my picture is this small...
mircea_popescu: You've (almost certainly inadvertently) stumbled upon my contact page... Aren't you lucky! :) You might know me from one of my venues, but feel free to roam around and explore some of the other things I'm into as well. And, of course, please don't hesitate to contact me. I'm very friendly, and I rarely bite (hard)...
mircea_popescu: people need better elevator speeches srsly.
mircea_popescu: Who the hell is Bruce Wagner?
mircea_popescu: Bruce Wagner is a Hollywood film producer, an American novelist, actor, screenwriter, and director, known for his acerbic view of the Hollywood entertainment industry.
mircea_popescu: so basically he's a stripper ?
Harvey00: Yes
Harvey00: A Bitcoin stripper
Harvey00: who advertises MyBitcoin
Harvey00: and lets everybody lose their money on it
mircea_popescu: ok this is too funny. some guy's name actually is Shtylman ?!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0301 = 3.0903 BTC [-]
Harvey00: Okay confirmed
Harvey00: The wild trades are from BitDayTrade
Harvey00: and they are probably broke already
nefario: what wild trades?
Harvey00: The 50 BTC 1 minute orders and sells
Harvey00: BitDayTrade is done.
mircea_popescu: o that's what it was ?
nefario: oh
nefario: ahah
nefario: I thought it was something else
Harvey00: Don't put no more than .01 BTC in there.
rg: fuck i want mybitcoin.com
rg: so badly
nefario: how much did they amount to
Harvey00: They are probably still sleeping
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 but i mean if they sold btc they got usd nao, why'd they be broke ?
Harvey00: Because they have obligations to the snot nosed traders wrecking the system.
BTC-Mining: Broke? Done? With so many gullible depositors, are you sure it's not planned? Why, seeing how easy it is to setup something insecure, why not do that and run with the money right away?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00038793 = 5.1207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.0003965 = 18.4373 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i c what you mean.
BTC-Mining: No more is the need for ??? steps between profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00037297 = 3.767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7261 @ 0.00034723 = 2.5212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22639 @ 0.00033437 = 7.5698 BTC [-]
BTC-Mining: 1. Bitcoinica > 2. Profit > 3. Bitdaytrade > 4. Profit > 5. etcetcetc
mircea_popescu: lol BTC-Mining 1. profit 2. profit 3. profit.
BTC-Mining: With such anonymity and bad security chained wallets/trading platforms...
BTC-Mining: How easy would it be to change name each time and create a "new" wallet/trading platform? Leave it completly unsecure in all appearance.
BTC-Mining: Blame a hack, run with money, create a new?
Harvey00: People will eventually get standards
BTC-Mining: They would have needed that last year
mircea_popescu: we have standards. wot. gpg. etc.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SsavHX6tc&feature=player_embedded
mircea_popescu: this thing is pure comedy.
mircea_popescu: we don't need standards as much as we need better hats
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.03 = 25.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1.0202 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 1.02 = 25.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 19 @ 1.011 = 19.209 BTC [-]
nefario: oh dear
nefario: news is getting to shareholders
mircea_popescu: eh ?
mircea_popescu: glbse is slow. now i can't check up wth bdt is.
mircea_popescu: BitDayTrade Fixed Interest Bond 3% Week a ok.
rg: mircea
mircea_popescu: The funds raised from issuing these bonds will be used for the development of the issuer's margin trading platformhttps://bitdaytrade.com/
rg: tell that asshole nefario to drop the portugal host
mircea_popescu: this is pretty cool. can i short them ? :D
rg: that all the boxes tunnel to
mircea_popescu: i thoughty you hosted him ?
rg: we do
rg: but it all tunnels to a host in portugal
rg: so its only as strong as its weakest link
BTC-Mining: Well, if they actually worked on it... IT MIGHT be secure, but appear completly unsecure. All depends on what's done on the background.
BTC-Mining: But honestly, I doubt that.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining that sounds like something from the "trust me i know what i'm doing" comicbook
rg: so
rg: this guy in -otc starts chatting
rg: come to find out
BTC-Mining: Would be better to have obfuscation for the sake of not attracting bad traffic too
rg: hes the owner of a site we use *every* day
nefario: rg
nefario: you be full of shieeeeet
rg: we = my household
mircea_popescu: what site be that ?
nefario: GLBSE is not in portugal
rg: nzbsrus
nefario: .... anymore
rg: nefario: its still slow and its not in portugal?
rg: that's horrible
nefario: it's slow because we've got a shitonne of bots
nefario: was recently sped up
rg: so
nefario: will be more soon as well
rg: lets upgrade you to a dual E5
rg: with 128GB ram
rg: LSI 9260 raid controller
BTC-Mining: So who's that guy in otc? What's his website?
rg: with 4x1TB RE4 disks
rg: that's what cal2.vm.bitvps.com is
rg: you could partition it out into your whole infrastructure
rg: and the nice thing about a box like that is .. you grow into it
rg: you need another machine? you provision it
rg: no contacting the data center
rg: no stupid shit
mircea_popescu: i like rg's salesmanship.
rg: you basically hold all the keys
rg: mircea_popescu: dude i hate to admit it, i am a great salesman
mircea_popescu: are you in ny rg ?
rg: mircea_popescu: close, MA
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.95 = 2.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0111 = 3.0333 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 21 @ 1.011 = 21.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1.01 = 6.06 BTC [-]
Harvey00: BitVPS is clearly one of the best things to invest in.
Harvey00: rg is just too awesome for his own good
BTC-Mining: I don't invest in it but I've done some small work from time to time for rg
BTC-Mining: If I work for it, maybe it would make sense to invest in it eh
Harvey00: Yeah, as Marx said, the workers should own their means of production. ; )
rg: BTC-Mining is my go-to
rg: for *anything* web related
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0101 = 3.0303 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1.01 = 4.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 12 @ 1 = 12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Harvey00 so buy his shares
BTC-Mining: I wouldn't recommend server setup/security however, or advancing scripting (web development)
BTC-Mining: advanced coding*
BTC-Mining: I don't know much about that. I can help for almost anything else.
BTC-Mining: or learn it on the fly =/
rg: you need some CSS/PHP/HTML done? BTC-Mining is your guy
rg: i think he did everything for bitvps
rg: wait.. btc-mining, did you do the currnet bitvps.com template?
mircea_popescu: he killed my auntie!
BTC-Mining: Eh, not quite
rg: i think it was some random guy
rg: he translated it from a static HTML template to wordpress
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 13 @ 1 = 13 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 35 @ 1 = 35 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
rg: (which btc-mining can do as well)
rg: lol BDT is fucked
rg: every last trade has been a -
mircea_popescu: lol
rg: !ticker bdt
assbot: [GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 1] [Ask: 1.06979999] [Spread: 0.06979999] [Last: 1] [24hVol: 194.66369993] [7dAvg: 1.04599856]
BTC-Mining: I vaguely integrated the Wordpress template for Bitvps to plain html/css to frame around bitvps's WHMCS client area
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7205 @ 0.00100069 = 7.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2795 @ 0.00111824 = 3.1255 BTC [+]
rg: yeah
rg: i forget who did the original template
rg: i dont even think he exists anymore
BTC-Mining: ...
rg: btc-mining: get ready
rg: soon youll have to do http://wallet.bitvps.com
BTC-Mining: Sounds good =/
rg: and its gonna be a HUGE pain in the ass
rg: :)
rg: check index.php's CSS
rg: <g>
mircea_popescu: lol rg rubbed off his prev designer.
BTC-Mining: Why would it now?
rg: btc-mining: cause its your favorite, wordpress
rg: :)
BTC-Mining: I hate CMS
BTC-Mining: Unless it's barebone PHP
BTC-Mining: As in PHP sepatates the template from the page
rg: http://wallet.bitvps.com/wp-content/themes/Karma/style.css
BTC-Mining: separates*
Harvey00: CMS pisses me off
Harvey00: I always end up going to notepad in the end
BTC-Mining: You still need a barebone CMS
mircea_popescu: jesus god wagner is hitting on the bitfloor kid on the show
mircea_popescu: WHAT THE FUCK
BTC-Mining: Acka a dynamic page containing the template and loading the content.
rg: ha
rg: hes asian isnt he
Harvey00: Wagner always has a rape face.
rg: bruce LOVES the thai lady boys
rg: remember when thye found his posts on the thai ladyboy website?
BTC-Mining: You don't need the CMS tho, unless you can't code/place elements for each subpage
mircea_popescu: no lol.
rg: i love wordpress
rg: its just too easy
mircea_popescu: "i love btifloor, simplicity. less is more"
rg: http://wallet.bitvps.com/?page_id=5017
rg: ugh
rg: search bar
mircea_popescu: and im thinking yeah, it has the volume of a lithe 15 yo anorexic. less is more!
rg: i need to axe that
BTC-Mining: Well in any case, goodbye, I'm off for the day
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00111824 = 1.6774 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
Harvey00: Guys BitDayTrade's passwords and email are out in the open
Harvey00: Do not do business there
Harvey00: or you are in for a bad time
rg: lol.
rg: that is not a surprise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 550 @ 0.00378408 = 2.0812 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 39 @ 0.0037982 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 711 @ 0.0037991 = 2.7012 BTC [+]
rg: we were *just* talking about how poorly setup it is
DeaDTerra: wow
DeaDTerra: they already got hacked?
DeaDTerra: as soon as I get somewhere to hedge they get hacked xD
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.3901 BTC [-]
farfi: yeah sad
DeaDTerra: http://www.casascius.com/
DeaDTerra: donw for you guys as well?`
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00038921 = 15.7241 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0011 = 3.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 1.001 = 50.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.9999 = 2.9997 BTC [+]
rg: DeaDTerra: be glad you figured it out now
rg: not after you had 1+ BTC in there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5820 @ 0.00038921 = 2.2652 BTC [+]
dub: who is behind that?
usagi: Unsalted md5 passwords. What the fuck?
usagi: Guys
usagi: You know that when you hear that
usagi: it was a setup, right?
usagi: When you hear "unsalted md5 passwords" it is THIS CLOSE to criminal negligence
usagi: Who wrote this shit
usagi: I am designing a system right now where the user passwords encrypt their data individually , so that even if someone breaks into the system they can't do anything to the user accounts.
usagi: It uses a two-part in-memory-only salt which means the system can't be brought up unless two people are logged in to type the salts at the same time
usagi: Who uses unsalted md5 hashes?
dub: diablo's blog is down as well
DeaDTerra: well this fucking sucks xD
DeaDTerra: rallying prices, bearish GLBSE market and decrease in payouts from Pirate. With no way to hedge against the price increase, how the fuck am I going to be able to make a profit now...
farfi: there are 3 choices- pirate- mining "turds"- and business's that never seem to work out....
usagi: DeaDTerra; Roll your fund into NYAN and work for me.
rg: buy bitvps shares
rg: if you actually own a decent amount of shares
rg: you will get a decent payout
DeaDTerra: Right now the GLBSE market is looking shit.
DeaDTerra: We have pirate which seems to be crashing, we have mining bonds that are crashing and we have mining operations which also are crashing.
DeaDTerra: then we have Rebate and such projects which all get hacked and fail...
DeaDTerra: fml
farfi: out of all the options pirate has been the most reliable :)
usagi: I have so many bitvps shares that it pays for my hosting.
leotreasure: i'm considering starting a Bitcoin based banking operation
leotreasure: based in Australia initially
leotreasure: just reading up on legislative requirements
leotreasure: looks like i need to raise $50m
leotreasure: tier 1 capital
farfi: only x50 than Diablo
leotreasure: i'm thinking maybe just try to raise 10m on the assumption that prices will continue to rise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14513 @ 0.00035471 = 5.1479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113 @ 0.00033437 = 0.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0003284 = 9.0967 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra what are you hedging ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 89 @ 0.1010023 = 8.9892 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 18 @ 0.101001 = 1.818 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 91 @ 0.101 = 9.191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9909 @ 0.00109698 = 10.87 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: farfi : actually, there's mpoe shares, mpoe bonds, there's the new cdo
mircea_popescu: there's btc/usd options, there's the hash options, there's tons of stuff.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.105 = 2.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra try mpoe.etf, the only glbse asset going up.
rg: dont forget S.BVPS
rg: paid out 55.5 BTC in divs last month!
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [-]
rg: ;;ticker
gribble: Best bid: 13.28999, Best ask: 13.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 13.29, 24 hour volume: 113814, 24 hour low: 12.39995, 24 hour high: 13.84119
rg: ;;calc 55.5 * 13.28
gribble: 737.04
rg: just sayin ;)
farfi: mircea_popescu: mpoe stuff? you mean on MPEX?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: well there's a share-holding etf on glbse
farfi: hehe no way.... I was blinded last time I looked at the site...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 339 @ 0.0037991 = 1.2879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you're in this for aesthetic reasons you should prolly try porn sites.
dub: which mircea_popescu can also help you with
farfi: :)
dub: along with spam|scam|devilworship|luke-jr stuff
mircea_popescu: im just sick of pretty css + unhashed md5 passwords, and people STILL go for it.
dub: according to ciucui anyway
mircea_popescu: i don't worship the devil
mircea_popescu: the devil worships me.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02747022 = 4120.533 BTC [-]
rg: i wonder if this new customer i got
rg: would be interested in opening an asset
rg: theyre a very big site
rg: most of their customers were USD tho
rg: paypal fucked em
mircea_popescu: so ask em.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa 20k sale on mtgox and the price held.
mircea_popescu: we're going to 15.
rg: $18k to $14
usagi: At $15 if I cash out
usagi: I tripled my money
usagi: Hmm!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1.0001 = 3.0003 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 4 @ 1 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 50000 @ 0.001 = 50 BTC
usagi: mircea do you have a yubikey?
usagi: my system is getting better now
mircea_popescu: nope.
usagi: We will be giving free yubikeys to our users.
DeaDTerra: Mircea, I am hedging against the increase of Bitcoin price ofc
mircea_popescu: then buy options neh ?
Harvey00: usagi, what masterpiece do you have now that requires yubikeys?
usagi: I showed it to you
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1005 = 0.5025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [-]
Harvey00: Ah, well, I'm still perplexed.
Harvey00: You told me SECRET
usagi: I'm working on a non-yubikey + password and/or google auth login
mircea_popescu: yubikeys are pretty much application independent neh ?
usagi: then it will be open to the public
DeaDTerra: where and how can I but these options?
DeaDTerra: I have been buying futures on icbit.se but it's very low volume :(
Harvey00: Things will make sense in good time I suppose
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra --> http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php
mircea_popescu: its very high volume.
usagi: I need some data for yubikeys which is not publicly available right now
usagi: it is the last missing link in my software
usagi: Once I get it... boom
Harvey00: After Meni Rosenfield force buybacks my POLY.10.1 I'll be on MPEX
mircea_popescu: what's poly10.1 ?
Harvey00: Basically you use it to long bitcoins.
Harvey00: I've already doubled some of my Bitcoins on it.
mircea_popescu: aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 350 @ 0.00381824 = 1.3364 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 531 @ 0.00382842 = 2.0329 BTC [+]
Harvey00: All I can say is that Meni Rosenfield has a lot of money.
Harvey00: ...and call me racist but he's a Jewish financial wizard.
mircea_popescu: i imagined it was a girl.
Harvey00: Nah. He's just an Israeli with a weird name.
mircea_popescu: he pissed me off once by reusing some asset contract and pretending he came up with it or something
mircea_popescu: i dun recall.
Harvey00: That's why I love the man.
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1.43 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 4 @ 1.44 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 5 @ 1.45 = 7.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so annoying that you can't short glbse assets.
usagi: The problem is to short something, someone else has to loan you shares.
mircea_popescu: that's why you have marketmakers.
usagi: Exactly.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: I might buy some options, though I need to read up on how your system works firs
DeaDTerra: first*
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.C10TH] 150000 @ 0.0000998 = 14.97 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ask away.
assbot: [GLBSE] [YARR] 50 @ 1.45 = 72.5 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: there are tons of different options what's the difference betwhen them?
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 21 @ 0.02939266 = 0.6172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 22 @ 0.02660151 = 0.5852 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: strike price mostly
mircea_popescu: also T are for this month and N for next
DeaDTerra: so it's month to month based?
mircea_popescu: yes, all options expire on the last friday of a given month
mircea_popescu: you ever used options before ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9871 = 3.9484 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: No, I have used futures and levarage/margin trading only
mircea_popescu: a ok. lemme fish a link for you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4449 @ 0.00032653 = 1.4527 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 7 @ 0.118 = 0.826 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: oki thanks :)
Harvey00: I think we are going to hit 15 today
DeaDTerra: why can't this bubble pop ;(
mircea_popescu: DeaDTerra https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67302.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 397 @ 0.00382842 = 1.5199 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: thank you
mircea_popescu: hmmm
mircea_popescu: In June, 2012, a team of computer scientists claimed to have developed a method of quickly extracting the secret key generated by several RSA dongles including the SecurID 800. Calling themselves "Team Prosecco," the group published a research paper documenting their findings which they plan to present at a cryptography conference in August, 2012.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this be the end of dongles like yubikei.
mircea_popescu: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/computer-scientists-break-security-token-key-in-record-time/
rg: that's misleading
rg: i believe that's the research that depended on a compromised system
rg: to get in
rg: if a system was already compromised, rsa isnt going to do much
Harvey00: DeaDTerra: I made over 100 Bitcoins betting over 1000 Bitcoins it wouldn't pop below $10. ; )
Harvey00: Worst bet ever but I won.
rg: s/worst/most dangerous/
mircea_popescu: nope rg, that'd be a diff thing
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 10 @ 0.987 = 9.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 0.98521 = 5.9113 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.98511 = 2.9553 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: okay so what do I do if I want to open a long position for 100 BTc?
DeaDTerra: first of I need a account on MPOE right?
mircea_popescu: well if you have an account you deposit the btc and issue a buy order.
mircea_popescu: if you don't have an acct you have to find a broker
DeaDTerra: a buy order, for which contract/asset
mircea_popescu: well, whichever you pick. if you expect the price to go up you eiother buy a long call or sell a put
DeaDTerra: and is the email thing still valid or is it done over MPOE?
mircea_popescu: that 1st post there is stale by now, things changed. i mostly gave you the link for the following posts, with the various hedging stratefgies
mircea_popescu: since it goes into a lot of detail.
DeaDTerra: okay, I will go read all of this and do some additional research and I will get back to you :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.98511 = 15.7618 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.9851 = 8.8659 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not something to be rushed into, you know. complex financial instruments.
Harvey00: Hint: He's not interested.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 16 @ 0.9851 = 15.7616 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol why teh hate
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.985 = 4.925 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.982 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: I am interested
DeaDTerra: I just feel like this is something I should research as I need to know what I am getting into
mircea_popescu: you should research it.
mircea_popescu: and you should also test your understanding with small trades first.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 0.98 = 19.6 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: and it seems quite complex, but it's probably something I will end up investing in as I need to be able to long, as the increase in price is having a huge effect on GBF
mircea_popescu: don't run in there and get raped.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogapril12/when-money-vanishes4-12.html kinda good read.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.E] 10 @ 1.25 = 12.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4991 @ 0.00109698 = 5.475 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.971 = 2.913 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 6 @ 1.4 = 8.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.04 = 4.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.026 = 6.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MPOE.ETF] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 0.98 = 4.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P070N] 10 @ 0.05061451 = 0.5061 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 3 @ 1.10000001 = 3.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.6309 = 5.0472 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 25 @ 0.1 = 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 5 @ 0.099 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.6501 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.65001 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 4 @ 0.6501 = 2.6004 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 10 @ 0.92608283 = 9.2608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.8659938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 1 @ 0.85628426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C020T] 37 @ 0.84916565 = 31.4191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 14 @ 0.02660151 = 0.3724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 36 @ 0.02454581 = 0.8836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P040T] 23 @ 0.01521074 = 0.3498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 1 @ 0.78380747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C030T] 56 @ 0.77224847 = 43.2459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C010T] 31 @ 0.92608283 = 28.7086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 23 @ 0.03353078 = 0.7712 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96010013 = 2.8803 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 6 @ 0.96000013 = 5.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.96000013 = 2.88 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i see bdt is doing well.
mircea_popescu: anyone interview kludge yet ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.459 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: It's due to the security concerns :8
mircea_popescu: well yea.
rg: i told i told you guys to buy s.bvps...
rg: thought*
rg: moar!
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 80 @ 0.98 = 78.4 BTC [+]
rg: lol
rg: people will give their money to anything
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1151 = 1.7265 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
usagi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101044.0
usagi: everyone please read this
usagi: and comment
usagi: I feel this is important.
rg: lets just seee
rg: i dunno usagi
rg: do you think its fair to scrutinize other people like that .. i mean.. the #2 highest volume asset on glbse has NOTHING verified
rg: you think its fair to demand something of another asset when so many dont ask it from the #2 top highest volume
rg: or do you think the people who are perpetrating this scam are seeing that
rg: and wanting to exploit it
rg: personally
rg: i agree with you
rg: fuck em
rg: they should ALL provide ID
rg: imo
rg: at least photo ID/ Email
rg: but
rg: if i were a scammer
rg: and i were them
rg: id argue that point
rg: why them?
nefario: It's a new asset
usagi: Yes it's a new asset
usagi: And "from this day forth" I believe, I really do believe
usagi: we need higher standards.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.3903 = 0.7806 BTC [+]
rg: talk to nefario
rg: he should put a vote to the users
usagi: I said my peace
usagi: already :)
usagi: nefario knows what I want.
nefario: usagi has already talked to me about this asset
rg: we could probably force him
nefario: I told him to voice his converns on the forums
rg: nefario: we could probably force yuo
rg: i just voiced mine
rg: on that thread
usagi: rg's idea is excellent
usagi: Tiers!
rg: =)
rg: yep
usagi: Well, that ties in with tiered accounts which I mentioned to you already Nefario
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00033366 = 7.2071 BTC [+]
rg: well
rg: now that its out there
rg: people can either agree or disagree
rg: and we can go from there
rg: if people want a change, it should change
rg: more safety for glbse users == more money in glbse == more trading == more fees == nefario becomes Nefario Dotcom and buys mansion in NZ
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2700 @ 0.00108128 = 2.9195 BTC [-]
usagi: Lol Nefario Dotcom
rg: lol
rg: tell us nefario
rg: do you own any nefario.tld type domains
rg: i bet he does
copumpkin: nefar.io
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10751 @ 0.00033014 = 3.5493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00032439 = 0.8593 BTC [-]
rg: Domain "NEFAR.IO" - Available
rg: To purchase please go to http://www.nic.io/
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.026 BTC [-]
rg: MPEX should have a GLBSE assetr
rg: so each exchange has the others asset
rg: and also
rg: glbse needs a lil textbox at the top of the markets page
rg: where you can start typing an asset
rg: and it pops up and has a check box next to it
rg: so you select one
rg: start typuing another
rg: until you have all the assets you want to vew
rg: and then it displays them all on the same page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00379232 = 0.7585 BTC [-]
rg: and you can save your vies
rg: views*
rg: to manage different groups of assets
rg: on different pages
rg: like one page is shitty loser miner bonds
rg: the next page is legit sweet IPOs like bitvps
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6909 @ 0.00108128 = 7.4706 BTC [-]
rg: and then the next page is when we integrate MPEX with GLBSE so you can do options
rg: so if you could get on that
rg: that'd be great
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 8 @ 0.9999 = 7.9992 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 11 @ 1 = 11 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 1 = 9 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 20 @ 1.005 = 20.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 1.0058 = 30.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00033366 = 2.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.10435 = 1.774 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.9399 = 2.8197 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 1 @ 0.49999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00032711 = 6.9347 BTC [-]
smickles: < DeaDTerra> first of I need a account on MPOE right? <<< or a broker
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1031 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4768 @ 0.00109882 = 5.2392 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02701 = 2.054 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 1.027 = 6.162 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 37 @ 1.026 = 37.962 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.1407 = 2.1105 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 23 @ 0.1406 = 3.2338 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 8 @ 0.4999 = 3.9992 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 55 @ 0.5 = 27.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 27 @ 0.51 = 13.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 15 @ 0.0999 = 1.4985 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 11 @ 0.51 = 5.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8612 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.14050001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5332 @ 0.00111255 = 5.9321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4244 @ 0.0010947 = 4.6459 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4460 @ 0.00106247 = 4.7386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120N] 2 @ 0.2153441 = 0.4307 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.6309 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00033366 = 12.946 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.98270001 = 3.9308 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.51408 = 1.5422 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 4 @ 0.51418 = 2.0567 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 1.069 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 20 @ 0.122 = 2.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 2 @ 1.1 = 2.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00034102 = 15.8233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 10 @ 0.05026751 = 0.5027 BTC [+]
JWU_42: DMC now at .07
farfi: was 0.2
farfi: 0.02 :)
JWU_42: ah
JWU_42: a rally
JWU_42: ;)
Chaaaang-Noi: .07 oh lol
farfi: can make some nice money even on those
Chaaaang-Noi: it almost doubled!!! :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 1.1 BTC [-]
farfi: bought at 0.03 sold at 0.05 was happy!
farfi: all in a few hours
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: lol, good job
Chaaaang-Noi: sorry for the suckers who bought at .05 though, lol
farfi: somebody said the same to me when i bought @ 0.03 :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: :)
Chaaaang-Noi: great fools! :)
Chaaaang-Noi: greater*
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 3 @ 0.07799999 = 0.234 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: they are good to find:)
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9399 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 1.02000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.02 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00034102 = 5.5245 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51408 = 1.0282 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3211 @ 0.00034205 = 1.0983 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45189 @ 0.00034216 = 15.4619 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 20 @ 0.95 = 19 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 2 @ 0.39001013 = 0.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 3 @ 0.1389 = 0.4167 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i still haven't fully grasped what the story with dmc is
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 33 @ 0.02 = 0.66 BTC [-]
rg: its a secret apparentl
mircea_popescu: yeah.
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9999 = 1.9998 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1179 = 1.7685 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PGM] 4 @ 0.00011 = 0.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21430 @ 0.00034216 = 7.3325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20670 @ 0.00034243 = 7.078 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.93 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 1 @ 1.118 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TEEK.B] 2 @ 1.119 = 2.238 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 17 @ 0.118 = 2.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1031 = 1.5465 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.103 = 2.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1025 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.1001 = 2.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 1 @ 1.09 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.theage.com.au/world/assange-wins-asylum-20120816-24bs4.html ahaha
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.90000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 49 @ 0.9 = 44.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00033919 = 20.4192 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 642 @ 0.00033431 = 0.2146 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: anyone want to buy asicminer shares? ^^ I am also selling some other assets, have a look at my portfolio and see if there's anything you want :) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq6Ug2ODt-l2dC13WldWaTBWQVNYZWRwVDgtQmhzUkE#gid=0
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 12 @ 0.9999 = 11.9988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22130 @ 0.00034243 = 7.578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.000343 = 2.5039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00034969 = 3.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00035038 = 0.4099 BTC [+]
usagi: YARR paid :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: yarrrr!
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah about assange i loled hard
Chaaaang-Noi: ecudaor is trolling the western world lulz
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00106827 = 5.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: gigamining at 1 btc wow
blazing: i wonder if it will go up again
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 10 @ 0.122 = 1.22 BTC [+]
JWU_42: hard to say
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.114 BTC [-]
JWU_42: YABMC remains low - but nothing announced RE ASIC
JWU_42: still waiting
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9999 = 3.9996 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 4 @ 0.4001 = 1.6004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PPT.DIV] 34 @ 0.4 = 13.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: possibly not.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.459 = 2.918 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2640 @ 0.00106247 = 2.8049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 16175 @ 0.001 = 16.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 18354 @ 0.00099981 = 18.3505 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8838 @ 0.00099782 = 8.8187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3993 @ 0.00099389 = 3.9686 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 10 @ 0.51 = 5.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 100 @ 0.00988 = 0.988 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.0099 = 0.0792 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: 13$ is well high
Chaaaang-Noi: easy to buy your own asic
Chaaaang-Noi: thats what i did, why buy when btc is at $5 for asic, wait until its $25 in nov then buy lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: even if i pay double in usd i still get 2 times as much
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11555 @ 0.00099389 = 11.4844 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 445 @ 0.00097641 = 0.4345 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.1049 = 1.6784 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCS] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: So whos going to London and the Bitcoin conference? :)
mircea_popescu: i'm not.
Chaaaang-Noi: lol
Chaaaang-Noi: intersango is now dead right?
Chaaaang-Noi: its going to be a fun evet
Chaaaang-Noi: they will just get hit about bitcoinica and intersango all the time
area: Intersango is down as of this morning, but it's certainly not dead
area: (trades aren't executing for some reason)
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.1038 = 0.3114 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: cant get money out, only in
Chaaaang-Noi: lol
mircea_popescu: area its a named party in a us lawsuit it can't afford to defend.
mircea_popescu: the risks in using it are too great.
Chaaaang-Noi: way tooo great
DeaDTerra: I just want to have a good time and support Bitcoins, I really hope that the whole even doesn't become a Bitcoinica/Intersango whine feast, with tons of angry bitcoineers :(
DeaDTerra: that would destroy the whole thing
mircea_popescu: from what i gather it's unavoidable.
DeaDTerra: sigh xD oh well, I am going there for the people not for the speeches anyways.
mircea_popescu: you mean for the girls ?
DeaDTerra: pff yea because there are so many girls in Bitcoins xD
mircea_popescu: well then ?!
Diablo-D3: /r/girlsgonebitcoin
area: I cashed out some coins with them yesterday, and it all went smoothly, but I will admit am consciously doing it a bit at a time, rather than all in one go.
DeaDTerra: GirlsgoneBitcoins are just girls that make money from sad bitcoineers. They don't give a shit about Bitcoins, I doubt they will care to go to London for a bitcoin conference.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.96969799 = 9.697 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 7 @ 0.96979799 = 6.7886 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 10 @ 0.97 = 9.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 23 @ 0.9778 = 22.4894 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, anyone who is into btc for the girls is well... sick in the head
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: why? they could charge 50 btc for a blow job
mircea_popescu: ahahah
Chaaaang-Noi: im into btc cuz i can convert it into gold and fiat and then give it to females... works much better:)
DeaDTerra: hahahahah xD best answer ever :P
DeaDTerra: Chaaaang are you going to london?
Chaaaang-Noi: im not going, sorry
Chaaaang-Noi: i have to get back to thailand
Chaaaang-Noi: also sadly i dont really support the intersango guys right now cuz of how many times the feed me bs about bitcoinica
Chaaaang-Noi: whats a good excel like thing that is free for windows? anything better than google docs?
mircea_popescu: open office.
Chaaaang-Noi: i thought they killed that
Chaaaang-Noi: okay thats get to be better than this google thing
mircea_popescu: it is.
mircea_popescu: google docs sucks almost as bad as novell netware.
Chaaaang-Noi: appache open office?
Chaaaang-Noi: did they buy it?
mircea_popescu: dunno
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-PI] 6 @ 1.4799 = 8.8794 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.92000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 5 @ 0.92 = 4.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.91000002 = 16.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: pirate sure killed my pi bonds lol
Chaaaang-Noi: move right down right after i sell lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.974 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 10 @ 0.3 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.1MHS] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.9778 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 20 @ 1.069 = 21.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 25 @ 0.999 = 24.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: mircea, open office is much better, thanks
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 97 @ 0.07 = 6.79 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 3 @ 0.07899998 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-B] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaaaang-Noi enjoy.
Chaaaang-Noi: :)
Chaaaang-Noi: the only thing i need it for is to auto sum, where is that lol
Chaaaang-Noi: nvm found it
Chaaaang-Noi: awesome
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 5 seconds
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.1038 BTC [-]
smickles: libreoffice
Azelphur: chromium
smickles: libreoffice is to open office as chromium is to chrome
Azelphur: :p
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 1.02999999 = 5.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]
smickles: Azelphur: unless you mean that chromium fighter-jet game :P
Azelphur: hehe
Azelphur: anyone here happen to be lawyery btw?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 10 @ 0.63 = 6.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: so, I got this phone off ebay, "perfect condition" "new", when it got here it was obviously used, lots of damage, parts missing, etc. After a complaint the seller gave me a refund. I asked him to pay shipping to return the phone, but never heard from him since. How long until the phone is mine?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00035038 = 12.1932 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: depends on your jurisdictions.
Azelphur: UK :p
mircea_popescu: well, abandoned chattel. you've served notice.
mircea_popescu: they're yours pretty much.
Azelphur: surely there's a time limit on it?
Azelphur: I mean it's only been like a day since I messaged him
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.1131 = 1.6965 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 10 @ 0.113 = 1.13 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there is a limit but it's "reasonable".
mircea_popescu: and in any case i don't see anyone sueing for conversion of a damaged phone.
Azelphur: yay for "reasonable"
mircea_popescu: what's your hurry anyway ?
Azelphur: true lol
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: because I either wanna use it, or buy another phone.
mircea_popescu: you can use it lol
Azelphur: + I sold my old phone to my brother and he's waiting for it
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.03 = 3.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
Azelphur: I'd prefer not to spend ages setting it up, only to have to return it
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so then wait a coupla ages till next week lol
Azelphur: haha
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 42 @ 1.0002 = 42.0084 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 1.0001 = 4.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 49 @ 1 = 49 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 3 @ 0.97 = 2.91 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: hello
mircea_popescu: hi
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 28 @ 0.91000001 = 25.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 1 @ 0.91000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 51 @ 0.9 = 45.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 2 @ 0.80000001 = 1.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 18 @ 0.8 = 14.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDT] 50 @ 0.8 = 40 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: hows it going mircea_popescu
Chaaaang-Noi: Ìû
mircea_popescu: pretty good so far.
assbot: [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4598 = 2.9196 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 9 @ 0.999 = 8.991 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 30 @ 0.991 = 29.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 4 @ 0.9902 = 3.9608 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 2 @ 0.9901 = 1.9802 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 55 @ 0.99 = 54.45 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: u
kakobreklaa: more bdt drama
Chaaaang-Noi: Ìû
kakobreklaa: haha
nefario: lego?
EskimoBob: !pl
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 1.029 = 3.087 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: Chaaaang-Noi?
kakobreklaa: nefario?
Chaaaang-Noi: hi
Chaaaang-Noi: whats up?
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIPPT] 10 @ 1.09 = 10.9 BTC [-]
EskimoBob: nuthn
Chaaaang-Noi: i forget what is bdt ?
EskimoBob: no idea
nefario: it's like bitcoinica
nefario: but not as good
Chaaaang-Noi: lol anything is better than bitcoinica
nefario: security wise that is
mircea_popescu: well they didn't get hacked
mircea_popescu: they hacked themselves.
nefario: who didn't
EskimoBob: Chaaaang-Noi: Les Brasseurs du Temps?
mircea_popescu: like a girl slipping herself roofies.
nefario: oh
nefario: aha
kakobreklaa: bdt = bitdaytrade
kakobreklaa: also glbse bond
kakobreklaa: !ticker bdt
assbot: [GLBSE:BDT] [Bid: 0.8] [Ask: 0.97] [Spread: 0.17] [Last: 0.8] [24hVol: 677.95006849] [7dAvg: 1.00720586]
EskimoBob: so, are the 7% zeros gone forever?
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa you at home yet btw ?
kakobreklaa: just arrived
mircea_popescu: can i has ticker nao ?
EskimoBob: !pl BDT 2012-08-09
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: Invalid price supplied.
EskimoBob: !pl BDT 1 2012-08-09
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: BDT [1@1BTC] (since: 2012-08-09) paid: 0.03 BTC. Last price: 0.8 BTC. Capital gain: -0.2 BTC. Total: -0.17 BTC. (-17%)
kakobreklaa: you can drop the date if you are looking for all data since begining
EskimoBob: !pl COGNITIVE
assbot: !pl <ticker> [<amount>@]<bought at> [<YYYY-MM-DD>]
EskimoBob: !pl COGNITIVE 1
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
assbot: COGNITIVE [1@1BTC] paid: 0.07560087 BTC. Last price: 0.6309 BTC. Capital gain: -0.3691 BTC. Total: -0.29349913 BTC. (-29.3%)
EskimoBob: BTC: Best Ask 13.49699
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.10389 = 0.7272 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: this thing is going to hot 20 EUR by September
mircea_popescu: could happen.
kakobreklaa: >>Alberto says that it was originally bcrypt but there were implementation issues so he temporarily switched to MD5. As mentioned I'm not a security expert so I can't assess how plausible this is. I'll wait for Alberto to make a clarification of this and other issues.
kakobreklaa: LOLZ
EskimoBob: wh... wha... what?
kakobreklaa: well i warned about this long time ago
kakobreklaa: some quality drama indeed.
mircea_popescu: i met this girl
mircea_popescu: and i originally was gonna ask for sex
mircea_popescu: but then there were implementation issues so i just raped her isntead.
kakobreklaa: :DDDDDDDDD
mircea_popescu: i'm not a lawyer but i'm sure it should be ok.
EskimoBob: lol
EskimoBob: yes, it's just fine
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.105 = 10.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this will become famous as "the bcrypt defense"
EskimoBob: damn, I wanted to buy this ASICMINER but I had to travel and lost out on IPO
mircea_popescu: so it went up 5%
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: DMC holds a lot of asicminer shares.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: I hope not too many :) this is a risky one and chinese are involved so this can be just another scam
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its enough to back the next stage of growth BEFORE they start paying out.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 7 @ 0.1 = 0.7 BTC [+]
EskimoBob: did they sell all the shares or will be there another dump at 1?
EskimoBob: *will there be*
kakobreklaa: afaik there are private deals to be made still
kakobreklaa: larger orders
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: no more
Diablo-D3: there are private deals, but you'll have to talk to deadterra
Diablo-D3: hes the gateway on those
EskimoBob: õk
kakobreklaa: whos chinese on asicminer
EskimoBob: all 3 of them are in china I think
mircea_popescu: everybody's in china.
EskimoBob: fkn americans, cant even get the fkn ASIC done without the CH slave drivers .. LOL
kakobreklaa: china is in everybody.
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREASIC] 4 @ 0.71 = 2.84 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: >>As far as I can tell Alberto can fix the current issues; and even if Bitdaytrade ends up a dead end (merely the bad press from this controversy could harm its growth), he can still fulfill the bond contract.
kakobreklaa: is meni high or something
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its not that
Diablo-D3: the fab company is one of the largest companies in the world
Diablo-D3: it just happens they are in china
EskimoBob: "kakobreklaa | china is in everybody. " no wonder china is synonym to shit
Diablo-D3: china is not in me
EskimoBob: for*
mircea_popescu: meni is prolly just exposed to them kakobreklaa
kakobreklaa: imho hes gonna loose on that one then
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: dry humping a panda?
usagi: -tan is japanese.
Diablo-D3: usagi: yes, but the japanese have drawn -tans of every country
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.1179 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: and, well, everything really
Diablo-D3: theres even a wikipedia tan
usagi: Who wants to make 200 bitcoins modifying bitcoind for me
EskimoBob: what about Domo-kun?
Diablo-D3: Ive always wanted a domo kun, small enough to sit on the corner of my monitor
EskimoBob: usagi: I can modify it for you if you want. Fork over the coin and I'll make sure it's modified
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 40 @ 0.0501 = 2.004 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 450 @ 0.05 = 22.5 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: what do you need usagi
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: you can use permanent marker to draw one :)
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: lol
EskimoBob: i did that to several white boards just for fun
usagi: I'm looking at the code and I feel so depressed im never going to figure this out
Diablo-D3: actually, I think I saw a papercraft one
usagi: it would literally take me 2 months
Diablo-D3: but goddamned do I suck at papercraft =/
usagi: I need to be able to encrypt private keys on a key by key basis
EskimoBob: usagi: I can do it in one but no guarantees. I have never programmed :)
Diablo-D3: usagi: erm
usagi: I'm looking at CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example, which is a good place to prevent coins from being spent, if you can connect a tx to an address/privkey
Diablo-D3: usagi: ask gmaxwell or sipa
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.105 = 5.25 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: or luke
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 23 @ 0.1 = 2.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 35 @ 0.099 = 3.465 BTC [-]
usagi: So theoretically if I put a bool locked in, say, CWalletKey (?).... and then.... um
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.995 = 4.975 BTC [-]
usagi: Then I need to make that variable persist and I'm already lost
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: and the goal of this is?
usagi: command "encryptkey <privkey> <password>" and associated commands
usagi: Kind of like encrypting a whole wallet and still being able to maintain balance info as transactions come in
usagi: but on a key by key basis
kakobreklaa: aha
usagi: For 200 though I don't want it in main for at least 1 year :p
usagi: Well maybe 6 mo
usagi: I need an edge
usagi: Can you do it Kakobreklaa?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.98879 = 1.9776 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: ill take a look
mircea_popescu: lol it wouldn't get merged into main anyway
mircea_popescu: wasn't that guy that coded some useful coin control stuff a year ago, it;s still not merged ?
usagi: Well the idea I have so far is to mark each private key (and address) with a locked flag, as I stated, then freeze spending in CWallet::AvailableCoins() for example. Then a second feature would be to encrypt individual keys.
usagi: Yes the coin control stuff is a good place to start
usagi: Instead of selecting addresses it would exclude flagged addresses
usagi: The next step would be to persist the exclusionary information and encrypt the keys.
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.105 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00034931 = 2.7595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 700 @ 0.00376746 = 2.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.9101 = 3.6404 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.91 = 4.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 379 @ 0.05 = 18.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00034931 = 0.8733 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29658 @ 0.00033431 = 9.915 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38455 @ 0.00033199 = 12.7667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00035038 = 2.1307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0003572 = 4.8222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00036186 = 15.3429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35521 @ 0.00036614 = 13.0057 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40435 @ 0.0003838 = 15.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00039586 = 21.3764 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.0003965 = 3.197 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1403 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.13777 = 2.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1375 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.1375 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.93 = 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BIB.PIRATE] 23 @ 1 = 23 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: he'll be back.
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: do me a favor
Diablo-D3: make two bots
Diablo-D3: one glbse one mpex
Diablo-D3: so I can put the mpex one on ignore
kakobreklaa: you should make that client side
Diablo-D3: yeah but ignore is server side so no wasted bandwidth =P
kakobreklaa: hopefully cryptostocks will be streaming soon as well
kakobreklaa: server side?
kakobreklaa: ignore is client side
mircea_popescu: apparently macfeylard is new to this entire interwebz thing.
Diablo-D3: er
Diablo-D3: kakobreklaa: right
Diablo-D3: it is
mircea_popescu: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
kakobreklaa: hehe
kakobreklaa: i know whats the problem
kakobreklaa: hold on.
mircea_popescu: :p
kakobreklaa: hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs
mircea_popescu: o ?
kakobreklaa: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
kakobreklaa: o?
assbot: [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.93 = 3.72 BTC [+]
kakobreklaa: !ticker gigamining
assbot: [GLBSE:GIGAMINING] [Bid: 0.9725] [Ask: 0.995] [Spread: 0.0225] [Last: 0.995] [24hVol: 291.40071997] [7dAvg: 1.09786791]
kakobreklaa: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
kakobreklaa: not a valid ticker i guess
kakobreklaa: but anyway it wouldnt work before even if it was valid
mircea_popescu: owait
mircea_popescu: !ticker S.MPOE
assbot: GLBSE returned nothing.
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.1015 = 1.7255 BTC [-]
kakobreklaa: MPOE.ETF ?
mircea_popescu: i imagined you took assbot offline to add the mpex tickers.
kakobreklaa: ah
kakobreklaa: no, sorry not yet
kakobreklaa: this was a server faliue
kakobreklaa: ure
kakobreklaa: not sure if ill be able to do it today
Diablo-D3: [03:10:12] <kakobreklaa> hdd died and raid is being rebuilt and some other funky stuff is happening on VMs
Diablo-D3: ouch
kakobreklaa: new hd is in place and all will be well :)
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.09 = 0.81 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: man I wish obsi.1mhs dividend day was coming soon
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.1015 = 0.609 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 3 @ 0.5101 = 1.5303 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.HASH.P10TH] 150000 @ 0.02745586 = 4118.379 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [MOORE] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [DMC] 250 @ 0.04 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.98879 = 7.9103 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.10389 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 200 @ 0.00376746 = 0.7535 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101109.0
Chaaaang-Noi: oh the bot is slow?
Chaaaang-Noi: or dead?
Chaaaang-Noi: "Jonathan Ryan Owens locked Rebate, Zip.A, Alberto & BDT thread "
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABIF] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: he makes a claim
mircea_popescu: and thus ended the Kronos project, and any and all involvement with Alberto and my group.
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: kronos is ALSO dead !?
mircea_popescu: wasn't this to be the end-all beat-all securities exchange ?
Chaaaang-Noi: he claimed he could do some magic
Chaaaang-Noi: he and mathew took the money and ran, blamed it on this fall guy
Chaaaang-Noi: i made a thead so people could respond
Chaaaang-Noi: he said a bunch of bs then locked it
mircea_popescu: how can he lock it ?
Chaaaang-Noi: he did
Chaaaang-Noi: you can lock your own threads
Chaaaang-Noi: my thread however is not locked
Chaaaang-Noi: so you can post
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 25 @ 0.25 = 6.25 BTC [-]
DeaDTerra: Will technically it is not magic, the only problem is that it's not 100% safe against exploits
DeaDTerra: ZIpCOnf still works and can still be used, but not publically and not for everyone. It can still be used by trusted parties.
mircea_popescu: The realization that I had gotten in to bed with a criminally minded guy, leaves me to only blame myself. Nothing changes the fact that I am ultimately responsible to the people who have been in my support. What's worse is that *very few* real world investors want to touch anything Bitcoin related with a ten foot pool. If you have to ask yourself why, take a look at the current price. Look at the ponzis (Pirate), look at the most ro
mircea_popescu: bust markets and ask yourself "If I was an investor, would I put any faith or money into Bitcoin businesses?"
mircea_popescu: For 99% of investors who could make Bitcoin happen, the answer is a resounding "NO."
mircea_popescu: the cheek on this asshole.
mircea_popescu: dude. i have not had a hack in a year.
mircea_popescu: unlike anyone, including mtgox.
mircea_popescu: how dares this asshole mingle me in his feting pool of failures.
Chaaaang-Noi: i think he hacked himself and he and mathew kept the investment money and ran
mircea_popescu: that's no excuse for the sort of shit he's saying.
mircea_popescu: incidentally investors love bitcoin.
kakobreklaa: seems im not trustworthy of zipconf
Chaaaang-Noi: also deadt no offince but i think you were feed a bunch of BS.
mircea_popescu: they don't love the sort of half baked shit that goes on on the forums, sure.
kakobreklaa: if im not, not of people are
mircea_popescu: but that IS NOT BITCOIN
kakobreklaa: not a lot*
DeaDTerra: I was feed a lot of bullshit, I was fooled and not told the whole truth.
kakobreklaa: so i call it bs
DeaDTerra: There is no way to know the truth unless it's proben.
DeaDTerra: I am just saying what I am told, of course I don't know if ZipConf actually work.
Chaaaang-Noi: yeah, but working with crimanals like mathew and jro is fail in my book
kakobreklaa: also i got a word from a source who have worked with zipconf
kakobreklaa: they did some testing some time ago
kakobreklaa: and that was it.
DeaDTerra: I wouldn't say they are criminal, they are innocent until the opposite is true.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.39979999 = 0.7996 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 4 @ 0.39989999 = 1.5996 BTC [+]
Chaaaang-Noi: mathew and zhou are in the same boat :) call them what you will lol
assbot: [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00098397 = 5.1166 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: What I do agree on is that this whole thing has been run in a incorrect manner and with little respect to the investors money.
DeaDTerra: With little to no communication and a sea of lies and cover ups
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: who/>
Luceo: Yay my new keyboard is here :D
Luceo: $10 keyboard replacing $150 keyboard
Luceo: <3
assbot: [GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 900 @ 0.00011716 = 0.1054 BTC [+]
DeaDTerra: who what?
Diablo-D3: DeaDTerra: who fucked investors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00035871 = 7.784 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: obsi.1mhs: 19th, btc-mining: 20th, btcmc: 1st.
Diablo-D3: meh
DeaDTerra: JRO,Matthew and the whole crew in charge of ZipConf and Rebate.
Diablo-D3: explains why their shit was locked
DeaDTerra: Though I think JRO is planning to do whats right and repay the investor.
DeaDTerra: at least thats what he says he will
Diablo-D3: yeah but you know how that goes =/
assbot: [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1370 @ 0.00097641 = 1.3377 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.15388 = 0.7694 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is
mircea_popescu: that kenna dude from tradehill who is owen's partner in some land development
mircea_popescu: has he paid all his depositors in tradehill yet ?
Diablo-D3: btw, guys
assbot: [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: I'm paying 2 DMC for 1 ASICMINER, and 9 DMC for 1 BTC-MINING
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00035871 = 9.0395 BTC [-]
Chaaaang-Noi: dmc .03ish and yet will trade 2 of them for an asset worth .1 lol
Chaaaang-Noi: i bet people are lined up for that.
mircea_popescu: didn't it jump to .07 ?
Diablo-D3: Im still accepting 15 1mh bonds/shares for 1 DMC as well
Diablo-D3: any of them
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 3 @ 0.49999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.995 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.39989999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically you'll take anything to divest from your own company ?
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: they're not my private shares.
Diablo-D3: those you can pry out of my cold dead hands
assbot: [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.6309 = 4.4163 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 40 @ 0.5 = 20 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: but the next size target for DMC is 15 mhash, so I'm trading accordingly
mircea_popescu: i still don't comprehend your structure.
Diablo-D3: basically, DMC is locking down the mh market and using the output to further fund the plan.
mircea_popescu: giga's 5mh/s trade around 1, you want three of those, that's 3btc.
mircea_popescu: the dmc is doing nothing to no market. it's 2k lifetime trade volume clearly indicate that.
Diablo-D3: giga's are _worth_ about 0.15.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: btw, no
Diablo-D3: the trade volume doesnt include shares trasferred
mircea_popescu: well the problem we have here is this : you think yours worth 1, they go for .0x. you think his worth .05 they go for 1.
mircea_popescu: so we'll have to leave your opinions on valuations aside for a moment.
Diablo-D3: yeah, the market is irrational
mircea_popescu: what exactly does dmc do ?
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: have you not read the plan?
mircea_popescu: your Full contract: on glbse is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: do you have a complement to that somewhere ?
Diablo-D3: you havent read the plan then
Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469
assbot: [GLBSE] [NYAN] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i recall reading that and pointing out that you're too late for the 1mn bitcoin start-up.
mircea_popescu: so basically you envisage a very capital intensive investment
mircea_popescu: to cut down on operational costs.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that the market is not mature enough to make that move yet.
mircea_popescu: that's a move of commodification.
assbot: [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.39989999 = 1.1997 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: even in that paradigm, i don't understand why you'd be holding other people's paper.
assbot: [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 100 @ 0.034 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 1.03 = 2.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [GLBSE] [BTCMC] 3 @ 0.55 = 1.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00035121 = 2.8799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.00034212 = 0.6921 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: well
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: some people do agree with you on the market not being ready yet
Diablo-D3: but someone has to be the first, and being the first is always hard
Diablo-D3: as for holding other people's paper... its worth it.
Diablo-D3: I cant have the hardware here at my house
Diablo-D3: so Im effectively leasing it out from other people
mircea_popescu: well i'll tell you this, unlike most everyone i don't think you're necessarily foolish. maybe a little haughty. the thing is, it's not enough for something to be hard to make it worth doing.
mircea_popescu: commodification is a natural process, you can'd "do" it any more than you can rain.
Diablo-D3: that still doesnt solve the problem
Diablo-D3: someone still has to be the first
Diablo-D3: I actually wanted to invest in someone else being the first... but there wasnt one
Diablo-D3: theres no one else whos doing real world things at this large of a scale in the bitcoin world
mircea_popescu: yes but there's a reason, see ? tghe reason is that it's much cheaper to test things out on a small scale.
mircea_popescu: if they fail you don't end up with large capital costs writen off as losses this way.
Diablo-D3: yes, but for what the plan covers... that IS a small scale.
Diablo-D3: when google or amazon build a data center, its thousands of racks
Diablo-D3: DMC's first one will be a few dozen
mircea_popescu: the main problem still is how come you own other people's paper.
mircea_popescu: if you ipo as a shoe factory you can't take the money and buy shoe factory shares in other factories
mircea_popescu: you didn't ipo as a bank.
Diablo-D3: [04:53:49] <Diablo-D3> I cant have the hardware here at my house
Diablo-D3: [04:54:11] <Diablo-D3> so Im effectively leasing it out from other people
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: no, but your example is _almost_ right
mircea_popescu: well ya but you didn't say that originally.
Diablo-D3: Tesla didnt have a car factory when they built their company
Diablo-D3: they did business with another manufacturer to get it done
Diablo-D3: now they can afford their own factory
mircea_popescu: ya but they didn't actually ipo as a car factory
mircea_popescu: they ipo'd as a car designer.
Diablo-D3: they ipo'ed as a car manufacturer
Diablo-D3: I'm ipo'ing as a company that does many things
Diablo-D3: DMC is in a bad spot by being the first. We can't just leave the money sit
Diablo-D3: and there are no large scale investment funds
mircea_popescu: i think you'd have been a lot happier if that contract was better written tbh.
Diablo-D3: even usagi's are too small
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: probably
Diablo-D3: but we have no bitlawyers.
mircea_popescu: cause i think this "being in a bad spot for being first" is mostly self-pity. in fact, it's in a bad spot by poor communication with market.
Diablo-D3: the market doesnt communicate well, so its not a one sided problem
Diablo-D3: a lot of things have already gotten better because of DMC
mircea_popescu: surely. the only thing is that the market we can do nothing about.