BingoBoingo: Fuck it bedtime. Hopefully news stops happening for long enough while I sleep for qntra to come back so I can catch up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17775 @ 0.00054066 = 9.6102 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: BTCTM: BTC-TC coming back from the dead?
jurov: i'm asking if there is any connection
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00054221 = 7.5909 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: check it out alf, you were here for three years, will be left holding the abandoned pieces of a usg that even the last of the class of public highschool long leeched.
mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: no ifs or butts about it. the less you steal, the more is there for your neighbour to steal.
mircea_popescu: exactly like last legs of soviets. every screw you didn't steal, someone else did.
mircea_popescu: there was no heaven and no benefit for the mass of losers that stole last.
mircea_popescu: no, the monkeys aren't cleanning it out because mental issues. of this sort.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
☟︎ jurov: mircea_popescu: can i exchange you 1 btc for 1k eur next time then?
mircea_popescu: price is "300 or whatever" for nickle and dime deals which are mostly predicated on "don't make it too hard for noobs / wild eyed youths to get into bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: ru carder with 10 mn is not getting 3k btc, that's for sure. nor does he want it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so then your "<asciilifeform> not even american monkeys, but ru carders " line has 0 to do.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : like in 1986 su, in 2015 us if you don't steal yourself, your neighbour will.
mircea_popescu: errything not bolted down, really. if you can steal it, you gotta steal it.
assbot: ACH payments, payee able to have last 3 payments returned simply by claiming they are fraudulent? : Entrepreneur ... (
http://bit.ly/1MSaNBl )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only way you're selling that is if you drive it across the border.
mircea_popescu: i think by 95 every russian chick under 20 with boobs bigger than her mom and standing above 1.80 naked had sucked at least one cock in a mercedes that was acquired in just this way.
mircea_popescu: myahap we see a redefinition of "consumer credit" to "only real estates and worthless chinese crap. you can't buy a plane, or a shipment of cocoa"
mircea_popescu: headed that way for a whiole now, EXACTLY under the pressure of "worthless dollars"
mircea_popescu: back in 1985 you could open a store with the stock on credit.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:37:25; asciilifeform: 'ach' is a kind of faux 'wire' we have in usaschwitz
adlai got his internet bezzle revoked
adlai: it's fine, irl plastic works like a champ. makes me feel part of the printing press itself
adlai: not quite kicked out, but 'not invited to return'
adlai hopes paypal doesn't negrate him too now
adlai: they let me withdraw fiat to a bank account, chargeback happened, i tried topping up the account with cc because aforementioned bank account was unavailable... and once the last cc charge went through, they locked the account
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:31:54; mircea_popescu: ru carder with 10 mn is not getting 3k btc, that's for sure. nor does he want it.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25272 @ 0.00053885 = 13.6178 BTC [-] {5}
adlai: << Purse CEO Andrew Lee: ‘People Will Learn to Use Bitcoin Just for Our Discounts’ >>
adlai: this niche has emerged... so purse get closed, then its the turn of sheep and evolution
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00052779 / 0.00053339 / 0.00054222 (362458 shares, 193.33 BTC), 7D: 0.00048633 / 0.00053409 / 0.00057294 (4466365 shares, 2,385.45 BTC), 30D: 0.00048485 / 0.00054042 / 0.00057294 (53375217 shares, 28,845.31 BTC)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally what's to stop the fella <<< last time someone tried this (not even 1k) was last week.
mircea_popescu: the usg version of reality works fine for just as long nobody leans on it. like all cardboard.
kakobrekla: i just saw 1k btc buy order market price got filled
adlai: except not quite market price, there
mircea_popescu: you and the other 1k wanna-be bankers (or rather, wanna-stay bankers) trying this.
adlai: economies of scale don't, um, scale
mircea_popescu: actually, this would be useful for a change economics research. obviously lice agreement on lice-ing only works provided the largest lice is cutting his own throat. but by what factor ?
kakobrekla: the diff between 1k and 10k would be the diff between buying chinese crap and buying a plane, if you dont like numbers.
mircea_popescu: 1k is a cessna ; 10k is a coupla of good condition yugo jets.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:24:21; mircea_popescu: there is ~no relation between numbers on websites and bitcoin price.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:26:33; jurov: or for 10 euro, whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0005302 = 4.5067 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15616 @ 0.00054001 = 8.4328 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00054221 = 6.5336 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00054001 = 8.9642 BTC [-] {2}
liquidassets: love it, ok right, because there is right and there is wrong correct?
liquidassets: asciilifeform what kind of liquid assets did you think I have?
trinque: your IP already connected, not much point in using a vpn... lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00054221 = 13.8264 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00054223 = 23.9395 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: they have an entire list of ... well, stuff scraped off the bottom of the web.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to think "oh, there's nothing special about reddit/tardstalk/whatever. they're all like that."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35152 @ 0.00054143 = 19.0323 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00053804 = 12.913 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16078 @ 0.00053741 = 8.6405 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31090 @ 0.00053623 = 16.6714 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00053266 = 29.1099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00053091 = 20.3339 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.0005302 = 17.0724 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00053261 = 19.0408 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: BingoBoingo: what the hell is an Advanced Practice Practicioner?
BingoBoingo: punkman: A not doctor who does doctor work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00053013 = 5.2218 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00052986 = 10.0938 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: (obscure bitpay-for-paypal opines on things on matters.)
punkman: they process card and other payments themselves iirc
mircea_popescu: they own a chunk of the fed, do nightly settlement or what do you mean "themselves"
punkman: like other card payment processors that are not banks?
punkman: "Social game maker Zynga has created BitPay, a Bitcoin payment processor, which is currently offered for select games such as Farmville 2 and Castleville. "
punkman: 2checkout doesn't push their card payments through paypal, so it's more like alt-paypal. people would use them because they'd allow idiots.
punkman: (and idiots from countries that paypal wouldn't take)
mircea_popescu: sounds more like the reverse. people wouldn't give out their ccv to random outfit so they "support paypal".
mircea_popescu: that way they can sell "business processing" to merchants.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00053438 = 21.6424 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: 2checkout down to 2.4% +$.3 per tx huh, used to be 2-3 times that
punkman: guess they must have cranked up the "anti-fraud" machines
punkman: letting paypal do the currency conversion usually sucks
mircea_popescu: i guess maybe you're right, wannabe-paypal. unless this is this a case of hidden fees
punkman: lol right "A 1.5% fee applies to payments you accept from customers outside of X"
punkman: (where x any country you choose)
mircea_popescu: apparently they got confused as to the difference between "datacenter" and "website trying to push a movie someone made in cad3d about a duke nukem modmap."
mircea_popescu: "All our servers are running on 100% renewable energy. By choosing green services you can help to prevent the climate change." << speaking of "idiot signal", here's an easy way to lose business : put that on your site.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.naphex.-1:958c6f38e082e9a15f842d84de6ebdde3ccb9d67e9272b3e1e8f75007262228f
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mircea_popescu: historical fact afaik. which is how they got to their present kickass position.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the principal driver of inequality between europe (not "the west", the us is not included in this discussion as it doesn't fucking matter or even exist for most of it) is the stupidity of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in particular the chinese had sketches of the helicopter in the roman times, as opposed to da vinci's re-roman times. they had alchemy plain and proper a millenium before the euros. but hey, chinese "gentlemen" are too delicate to touch earths.
mircea_popescu: fuck, even the greeks had the steam engine and used it to make toys and party tricks. exactly like the chinese use of gunpoweder.
mircea_popescu: and even today, the only reason they're doing anything is because they're trying to copy what they perceive as superior. that's it and that's all, without europe around to direly humiliate them, china would still be pretty satisfiedly pulling carts by hand etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13267 @ 0.00053309 = 7.0725 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah, a society that makes "balance" its goal will necessarily stagnate.
mircea_popescu: just like a society that makes "the elimination of all inconvenience, from murder to doctor telling you you're fat" its goal will negessarily get raped.
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no "high level of scientific achievement" in china as proposed by that wikipedia. because "social sciences" are not sciences.
mircea_popescu: there was a high level of pseudointellectual masturbation, sure, much like in today's us. similarly then, mit educated chitlins could not light a lightbulb, but could pseudointelligently discuss "the types" of feminism as if that were a thing, somehow.
mircea_popescu: another path into this issue would be the concept of "adversarial individuality". hola davout. to support a large empire (large defined in the sense of, stretched at the seams of communication abilities, to the point it struggles to maintain itself, a la romans) you require a certain mentality in the subjects. let's call it, in modern terminology, "inclusive", "cooperative" and whatnot other "good" feelers.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00053584 = 1.7415 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0005361 = 8.7384 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyway gotta say that was a pretty good blog earlier punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00053238 = 14.4275 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: I thought so, but I get information overload trying to read some of those posts. maybe footnotes would make it flow better.
mircea_popescu: never thought i'd live to see the day people miss the footnotes.
adlai hands mircea_popescu a copy of Infinite Jest
punkman: as long as we don't end up with cargo-cult footnoting
adlai: and footy notes have footer footer notes...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00053613 = 3.2168 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: while trying to finish a book about IRS workers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00052955 = 12.365 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7569 @ 0.00053613 = 4.058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:58:55; mircea_popescu: the chinese, like all of asia, like all of the arab world, like fucking oceania and all the "nation of africa" assorted nobodies were, and have been forever happy to sit around and contemplate the immortality of laziness.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00053001 = 8.7717 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: which is why the good or bad will of the army of meat carries no particular value one way or the other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00052932 = 3.5464 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 335.5, Best ask: 335.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 335.5, 24 hour volume: 37744.99071556, 24 hour low: 322.52, 24 hour high: 342.5, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: asciilifeform: even most russians i know have facebook french flags atm...
jurov: accordign to arlov and alf, no one even farts without orders from washington
☟︎ jurov: dunno why he did not get any explicit orders, then
punkman: plane going down is closer to "act of god" and less scary, compared to a person that hates you and will shoot you in the face while you are having coffee at starbucks
jurov: oh he actually got an order to stay put and don't leave, i get it now
punkman: plus derps ain't got money to fly foo!
jurov: well, there's also the killing in beirut (and others) no one ordered people to grieve on
mircea_popescu: social media grieving stands with grief about in the same relationship instagram pictures stand with food.
liquidassets: fuck me in the fuck, cmon I've been here for awhile...
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 17:18:47; jurov: accordign to arlov and alf, no one even farts without orders from washington
jurov: yes, cuz you have other directions
trinque: whaack: what's this; they built the sign such that she doesn't even have to hold it?!
ascii_field: jurov: aha, i'm under standing orders to loaf around and look maximally ridiculous
jurov: and to never ever move out of the US
ascii_field: or the usgization of mircea_popescu's esp8266 thing
whaack: trinque: Yeah they have some stick in their back, there's another huge rectangular one that looks even funnier.
ascii_field: (speaking of which, i have a crate of esp8266 here gathering dust)
punkman: if she's not even gonna hold the sign, maybe sign should end in buttplug
trinque: can't even have the amusing humiliation of the bored sign-flipping with this setup
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: see last night's thread re: same
ascii_field: 'The Times later posted a second article citing an anonymous “European counterterrorism official” who was quoted saying authorities’ “working assumption is that these guys were very security aware,” but clarified officials “offered no evidence.”'
ascii_field: '“’The most difficult communication between these terrorists is via PlayStation 4,’ the minister said, three days before the terrorist attacks in Paris. ‘It’s very, very difficult for our services — not only Belgian services but international services — to decrypt the communication that is done via PlayStation 4.'”'
trinque: so they knew something was up, but they didn't because of encryption.
trinque lets the dissonance flow through him
punkman: maybe they were exchanging messages by digging holes in minecraft
ascii_field: or via farts between adjacent public toilet stalls
ascii_field: time for mandatory butt plugz with fart escrow backdoors ??
trinque: clearly math itself must be banned
punkman: I bet there's some USG agent going "undercover" on middle-eastern minecraft servers
ascii_field: punkman: this was actually leaked at one point
trinque: pretty great scam for whoever the "agent" was
trinque: myeah, haven't found anyone yet boss, but don't worry, I'm levelin!
punkman: ascii_field: hmm that does ring a bell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00052932 = 6.3783 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: speaking of buttplug signage, i'm kind-of surprised inside-of-bra advertising hasn't caught off.
mircea_popescu: whenever you peel garments off a bosomy beauty it's 50-50 you'll see some sort of textile pattern embedded in the tender flesh.
ascii_field: iirc the ancient greeks had whore ads in sandal soles
ascii_field: (the tracks would bring you straight to the 'porneion'
mircea_popescu: any pimp worth his salt tattoos relevant phone #s in ho's soles. you never know when she goes viral.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00052932 = 22.3902 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00053036 = 17.4754 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13224 @ 0.00052916 = 6.9976 BTC [-] {3}
davout: nothing like some fried g
davout: enitals to cure a heartache
hanbot: shishkacock, naturally
BingoBoingo: If next month with nuts roasting over an open fire
assbot: Nigerian Professor Claims To Have Solved 156-Year-Old Maths Problem, Which Carries $1Million Prize - Yahoo News ... (
http://bit.ly/1N9DXCm )
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Does this professor need your banking information to safely get the prize money out of Nigeria?
shinohai: "Please wire 1.2 million so I can afford to publish proofs plox"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.0005312 = 5.3386 BTC [+]
phf: "at least you weren't raping"
jurov: strings+can now allow uploading of arbitrary content?
BingoBoingo: Fuck me that looks like legit cans and string
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00053144 = 17.5641 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: the O.o in this case being the name not the moticon :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17677 @ 0.00052882 = 9.348 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov the me saying "bitstamp is spamming " / bystander going on about how it's just someone else dialogue has been going on for what, ayear now ? two ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00052855 = 9.8839 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "PGP is not as important as people think. As long as both parties use an encrypted email (and connect with a VPN, TOR, TAILS, whatever) you're fine. This is because if they get access to the webmail all information is decrypted either using automatic PGP decryption (eg: Countermail) or locally on their computer (somewhere this information is going to be stored)."
ascii_field: (is a specially crafter derplinux pre-impregnated with tor, faux pgp, etc)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things"
trinque: the pervasiveness of marketing and its effect on language, the myth of equality and "my voice matters" politically and also as a consumer, >3 generations of "what's a book?", the retarding effect of believing you are already special and noteworthy by virtue of simply being here...
trinque gags before adding to his list
trinque: it's a toxic blend one might want to believe was concocted by some evil force
trinque: just morons talking to each other.
punkman: assbot: Groom discovers bride isn't a virgin, eats genitals of her rapist << I imagine guy's last thoughts were "who are these people, and why is he stabbing me"
trinque: perhaps as with individual animals, societies have a suicide mechanism which kicks on when things have gone wrong.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 22:38:39; ascii_field: (is a specially crafter derplinux pre-impregnated with tor, faux pgp, etc)
punkman: tails is for "plug-n-play" silkroading
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no because it doesn't matter anyway because reasons.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 14:12:38; mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to support r&d you need a pointedly orthogonal metnality, which is specifically divisive FOR THE MERE REASON OF BEING DIVISIVE, not as a goal-excused means but as a goal in itself ; and certainly a competitive approach.
mircea_popescu: "Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. " ha!
adlai: ascii_field: you pointed me earlier to a discussion of locktimes... i assume you meant BIP65, not 64? the latter being mike hearn's utxo shenanigans
ascii_field: will look when i get home, right now boiling in a cauldron
adlai: good thing you're not a frog!