tmsr - Log 2015-06-06

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williamdunne: How does one go about securing a Eurola account?

cazalla: and a long and drawn out process

mircea_popescu: secureing from what ?

williamdunne: Acquiring, in other words

williamdunne: Registering

mircea_popescu: ah, ima get you one, a sec.

cazalla: williamdunne cut the foreplay and just ask

williamdunne: cazalla: foreplay is half the fun

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Thanks MP

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033561 = 41.6156 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: williamdunne http://dpaste.com/23J9SCM

assbot: dpaste: 23J9SCM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt8qZb )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63650 @ 0.00033561 = 21.3616 BTC [-]

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Correct

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00034392 = 9.7501 BTC [+] {2}

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Oh wait I take it back, thats me derping. Message comes up blank

asciilifeform just woke up to the fact that he was a fool when originally wrote phuctor. a phuctored modulus must fragment into factors, each of which is in turn subject to all future attempts at phuctoring

asciilifeform: (if composite per rabin-miller)

williamdunne whoosh

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^^ ☟︎

asciilifeform: as it is, the gigantic turds yielded by the current gcd finds will not break apart

asciilifeform: the mechanics of a correct phuctor are, roughly: thing keeps track of keys, rsa moduli within, as existing phuctor does; but instead of flagging 'phuctored' moduli, we keep table of known factors (associated with respective unknowns, which, in turn, may be yet-unphuctored moduli -or- fragments previously created by successful phuctorings)

asciilifeform: likewise, each unknown is stamped with a date of last gcd-ing, as well as sha512 of the mass product at the time this was done.

asciilifeform wanders off to contemplate this

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161000 @ 0.00035452 = 57.0777 BTC [+] {4}

decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that sounds like a good idea

decimation: it would be nice to click on '3' and call up all the moduli which are factored by '3'

decimation: williamdunne: websockets are 'tardation on top of tardation

williamdunne: What is particularly tarded about WS?

williamdunne still doesn't get it

decimation: the shortcomings of turning a fundamentally broadcast technology into a 'virtual channel'

decimation: inside of which you place another virtual channel

williamdunne: While with that description it does sound a bit tarded, in practise I've found them to work very well

decimation: sure, so do 1950's era pickups in cuba

trinque: williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'" ☟︎

trinque: and on the other there's considering the entire stack that got you to that point, and whether that made any sense

trinque: first off the thing's not a socket; iirc it throws you wads o' data piecemeal

trinque: you can't stream arbitrary binary data over it

trinque: (maybe I'm wrong? don't think so)

danielpbarron: !up DanyAlos

trinque: I mean to be specific it's a wrapper around a socket with certain assumptions on how it'll be used; it doesn't just give you a raw unix socket and say "go at it"

trinque: apparently in some newer version of the standard it has a binary streaming thing

williamdunne: Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web ☟︎

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00033557 = 22.0134 BTC [-] {2}

trinque: williamdunne: what do you want to do with it?

williamdunne: Streaming basic pricing data, and submitting/receiving bets are the two I have used it for

trinque: oh, you wanted bitbet to provide a websocket?

williamdunne: Fairly simplistic stuff

williamdunne: Nope

williamdunne: Unrelated

trinque: ah k

trinque: so adding a bunch of persistent connections is going to increase overhead

williamdunne: But if there were best happening more than every second, sure that'd be a great feature to see

williamdunne: Overhead vs the AJAX method? I'd bet otherwise

trinque: no need to bet.

trinque: it depends on what users are doing

williamdunne: Aha

trinque: on the one hand, anyone with the site open in a tab is going to be a connection your server will have open

trinque: on the ajax side, you may have tons of unnecessary polling

trinque: so you would have to actually try both and see based on your own situation which is more expensive

trinque: I think nginx does pretty well handling a bunch of idle websocket connections

trinque: and can hand them off to some backend nicely

williamdunne: Very true, but anything where the data is somewhat frequent I reckon would be better off in WS

williamdunne: Yes, I was using Phoenix which handles it very well

trinque: there are other things to consider

trinque: browsers can pipeline requests through the same connection

trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining

assbot: HTTP pipelining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1eU5Kap )

trinque: so the ajax vs ws thing may be more similar than it appears

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144984 @ 0.00035944 = 52.113 BTC [+] {4}

trinque: "keep-alive" is the thing to look into there

williamdunne: Yeah, server send events or summin

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00036084 = 18.9982 BTC [+]

trinque: williamdunne: I don't even mean that, just that polling might not look much different load-wise from the WS doing its thing

trinque: that said I've used websockets; the whole browser's shit, subset of which WS are shit

trinque: lol

trinque: williamdunne: and to elaborate on the reason why, the browser was a nightmarish wad of complexity before WS

trinque: WS just bolt another huge attack surface to the thing

trinque: it would not blow my mind if there are session hijacking hax to be found within, so on

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00035133 = 29.1077 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00035164 = 23.2786 BTC [+] {2}

cazalla: !up referredbyloper

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00036149 = 5.7296 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39446 @ 0.00035062 = 13.8306 BTC [-]

trinque: !s referredbyloper

assbot: 25 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper

trinque: cazalla: pretty sure that's a bot which only spams one link

cazalla: ah ok, i assumed it might be someone coming here from asciilifeform's site in the same manner qntra directs people here

trinque: yep guy's clearly trying to make it look so

referredbyloper: hey no, i'm not spam bot :D

referredbyloper: just don't want to go through reg and things

referredbyloper: trading most of the day, an find this channel realy amusing

trinque: referredbyloper: well good; you weren't showing any signs of life!

trinque: and how long does it take to register anywya

cazalla: referredbyloper, you think i'm funny, i amuse you?

referredbyloper: yes, drunken bitching about bad marriage and things

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034811 = 10.4781 BTC [-] {2}

trinque: brutal

trinque: referredbyloper: register so he can negrate you

cazalla: lol harsh

asciilifeform: in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/641F87E0A992064EB7CD91BC6CC7203AD8D83FFABA7C6724A698A23F61C0C1E8

asciilifeform: (williamdunne? was there a scoopbot thing under testing?)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133900 @ 0.00034989 = 46.8503 BTC [+] {4}

cazalla: https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/bitcoin-leaders-speak-up-block-size

assbot: 7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqXSd6 ) ☟︎

cazalla: who's that at #4 heh

asciilifeform astonished

punkman: good ol' justus

punkman: "Justus Ranvier has one of the more interesting opinions on the bitcoin blockchain that doesn’t seem to get much attention. In his view, there is no need for the block size limit to exist at all."

punkman: http://monetas.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/03.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuCEJV )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00034374 = 27.8086 BTC [-] {2}

punkman: !up The20YearIRCloud

punkman: !up WolfGoethe

The20YearIRCloud: howdy punkman

WolfGoethe: yo

The20YearIRCloud: hi

WolfGoethe: some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???

punkman: lolwut

The20YearIRCloud: sounds like pure fun

The20YearIRCloud: So I miss anything interesting or fun with mpex in the past 2-3 months?

punkman: account opening fee is now 50btc

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00036169 = 15.1729 BTC [+]

The20YearIRCloud: Interesting

The20YearIRCloud: Quite a bit more than the title 4 exchanges I've been talking to in the US

decimation: title 4 exchanges?

The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , crowdexchanges here in the US now that the SEC has finally got off their butt and allowed small companies to list on new exchanges.

The20YearIRCloud: Exchanges with less regulation an requirements (mostly) than even OTC

The20YearIRCloud: Granted, i guess if you wanted a $10k+ threshhold it'd make sense to up it to 50btc due to all the recent slides

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16426 @ 0.00035586 = 5.8454 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90552 @ 0.00034379 = 31.1309 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00033546 = 30.594 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00035275 = 16.3676 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46161 @ 0.0003371 = 15.5609 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.00033423 = 2.0662 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32455 @ 0.00034683 = 11.2564 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.0003583 = 9.5666 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6182 @ 0.0003583 = 2.215 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00036163 = 7.0337 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003583 = 3.0814 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: !up Bingo_bar

Bingo_bar: Fuck the god dampened pony track

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00036163 = 21.9509 BTC [+]

Bingo_bar: But buffet was full of recycled food

asciilifeform: http://www.burnsideinstitute.com/robot_book/robots.html << with english transl.

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2Akyl )

asciilifeform: mega-book ^

Bingo_bar: Quarter horse raced blew

Bingo_bar: Back... properly Sunday...

cazalla: ya win?

Bingo_bar: Not really

jurov: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.52, Best ask: 224.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 224.51, 24 hour volume: 17679.8669452, 24 hour low: 222.65, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None

jurov: !mpif

assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00036167 = 32.8758 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22312 @ 0.00036177 = 8.0718 BTC [+]

decimation: asciilifeform: he predicts the roomba by a few decades :)

decimation: lol punch tape to program the robot

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.0003618 = 18.5965 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74014 @ 0.0003583 = 26.5192 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00036191 = 37.9282 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00036191 = 9.7354 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00036191 = 6.4811 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49842 @ 0.00036216 = 18.0508 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155700 no dude. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 00:41:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^^

mircea_popescu: lol you're in the position of someone who made a moon exploration vessel, discovered life on the moon and is now kicking himself for not having included a condom factory in the ship.

mircea_popescu: at the time phuctor was designed in 2013, the idea was that no keys could ever be factored. for this purpose, phuctor as designed is exactly adequate.

mircea_popescu: yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you don't include bakeries into wheat harvesters to be driven across wheat fields, and you don't need phuctor to do everything either.

mircea_popescu: let anyone with a clue (tm) do it themselves, it doesn't take much more brain than what a chicken has to cluck at the freshly disturbed ground for that's where the worms are.

mircea_popescu: and if nobody does it, we'll do it, once phuctor's done running.

jurov: it won't stop running soon. i have in pipeline some 1e6 rsa keys from github i'd like to kindly bestow upon phuctor

mircea_popescu: in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ? ☟︎

assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFxkj )

mircea_popescu: jurov no problems.

mircea_popescu: your offering is muchly appreciated.

jurov: (^ ^)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00036219 = 10.0689 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155715 << http://trilema.com/2014/the-great-post-of-rebuttals/#selection-243.0-243.275 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 01:00:02; trinque: williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'"

assbot: The great post of rebuttals on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFRPT )

scoopbot_revived: Nocturnal revelation http://trilema.com/2015/nocturnal-revelation/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37540 @ 0.00036219 = 13.5966 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: every stupidity's excused by youth, people genuinely think the 80s were cool just because that's the first time they got laid. people actually used to think bellbottoms look hot because they remembered them filled with round butts of the fillies they cared about, back in that age.

mircea_popescu: let's not confuse the humanity we see reflected in the eyes of the beast with the actual beast.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20959 @ 0.00036227 = 7.5928 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55550 @ 0.00036312 = 20.1713 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155723 << this is bad design in principle, merely asking this question. if you visualise the stuff of design as a graph, what this does is introduce a cyclicity in it, which makes the graph no longer computable, or for that matter usable. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 01:04:22; williamdunne: Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web

mircea_popescu: you may never consider "the benefit" of design when designing, in these terms.

mircea_popescu: to understand why, think of someone making a map. he doesn't ask "does this rock benefit anyone or may i just omit it from my map ?" because while the thing may not benefit, the omission sinks ships.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155785 << dude check out the "leader" factory. i wish to know, are these leaded leaders or unleaded leaders ? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 03:09:48; assbot: 7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqXSd6 )

mircea_popescu remembers a quainter time, back when to be a leader one first had to be followed. a time when "being certified" was another way to say "being insane". stuff like that.

punkman: they get followed on twitter!

mircea_popescu: oh nm. my bad.

mircea_popescu: i don't understand how the world works.

mircea_popescu: in other news, fresh from the ranch of unmanly grips, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqczh9dc1m1qc6pb2o1_1280.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KgbzuL )

mircea_popescu: "The libertarian Bitcoinists need to get out of their bubble. Yes, they created BItcoin, but it doesn't belong to them, it belongs to anybody and everybody, and it simply can't live on existing as it did in 2013."

mircea_popescu: herp.

mircea_popescu: dear world : fuck you. you will adapt to every nook and crany of our thought. ESPECIALLY the really painful, apparently gratuitous ones. love, ~the "libertarians".

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48800 @ 0.00036312 = 17.7203 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57721 @ 0.00036318 = 20.9631 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: and to round off the bellbottoms point from before : and all sorts of things that AREN'T stupidities, various tiny gems ensconced in the broader turd get washed out with the water.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.0003623 = 26.9189 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26571 @ 0.0003583 = 9.5204 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00035481 = 16.3567 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00035169 = 20.5914 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00035788 = 14.3868 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97050 @ 0.00034984 = 33.952 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56239 @ 0.00034778 = 19.5588 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100953 @ 0.00034773 = 35.1044 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210846 @ 0.00036326 = 76.5919 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00036326 = 20.4515 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72050 @ 0.00035523 = 25.5943 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00036407 = 22.2447 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.0003645 = 18.0428 BTC [+] {2}

shinohai: gm #bitcoin-ASSets https://i.imgur.com/mTA2R3G.webm

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GeVt2Q )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277183 @ 0.00035513 = 98.436 BTC [-] {5}

cazalla: nice, i like em about that size shinohai, maybe a little less but all good

shinohai: yw cazalla. I am generally good with it all, as long as it isn't "OMG it's COMING TOWARDS US!"

cazalla: what's the hump at the top of her butt crack though

shinohai: hmm ... butt tumor?

cazalla: guess ya could put ya beer there while ya bang her from behind

shinohai: lol

shinohai: Let's hop over to reddit and see if I can make my head hurt this early in the morning.

shinohai: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.79, Best ask: 224.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 224.8, 24 hour volume: 8559.79475203, 24 hour low: 223.58, 24 hour high: 226.08, 24 hour vwap: None

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00035787 = 15.2453 BTC [+]

shinohai: heh MP made the list @ #4 https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/bitcoin-leaders-speak-up-block-size

assbot: 7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jybe5P )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23895 @ 0.00035787 = 8.5513 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: >Uh Oh! We're sorry, but something went wrong.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00035456 = 24.2164 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00034849 = 26.2413 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92950 @ 0.00035456 = 32.9564 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00034454 = 14.3673 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10405 @ 0.00035456 = 3.6892 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81150 @ 0.000356 = 28.8894 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36148 @ 0.00036454 = 13.1774 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96487 @ 0.00035612 = 34.361 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111250 @ 0.00034765 = 38.6761 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00035802 = 13.0319 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12305 @ 0.00035802 = 4.4054 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00035942 = 15.3113 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52500 @ 0.00036493 = 19.1588 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79700 @ 0.00036675 = 29.23 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101700 @ 0.00036761 = 37.3859 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70513 @ 0.00036833 = 25.9721 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109200 @ 0.00036895 = 40.2893 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74950 @ 0.00036239 = 27.1611 BTC [-] {2}

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1758FA2FCC3CF671FF4BDB219AD583C50AB7E90AEAF7DBF7818E33745883F700

assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dU0jIr )

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155855 << this was covered in an earlier broadcast. considering that these things will cost several hundred usd -each- to produce at mf, i would like to establish that they can produce even -one- defect-free unit of that board size and pad count. thus far, the defect rate suggests that they could not. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 06:19:43; mircea_popescu: in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ?

gribble: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: i must point out, for what is probably the seventh or eighth time, that i have no safe means of selling any bitcoin whatsoever while i live in usa. (selling for paper money, theoretically possible and suicidally dangerous, does precisely nothing to offset ANY of my living OR engineering expenses.) THEREFORE entire operation is financed from my fiat salary. this imposes certain constraints, and a 'measure seven-thousand seven-h

asciilifeform: undred and seventy-seven times, cut once' attitude.

asciilifeform: among other things, it means that the first batch of cardano HAS TO work.

asciilifeform: if i get a crate of duds on account of manufacturing defect, that's one thing, they take it back, try to fix. this costs months of added delay, but can live with

asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter ☟︎

asciilifeform: the defect rate is of concern because of the impossibility of -immediately and conclusively- establishing WHICH when i get the crate.

asciilifeform: it has to be unambiguous.

asciilifeform: e.g., -imagine- i pull the trigger and am out of several 10e3 usd. i now have half a dozen complete units. none of them function. what have i learned? that i am retarded? or that there is a solder void beneath a different decoupling capacitor on each board, summing up to a dud in each case but indistinguishable with my instruments

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155850 << not quite. it's a mill of sorts, and it could be made to grind finer grain with minimal effort. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 06:16:02; mircea_popescu: yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does.

asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean defect free batch ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00036015 = 2.5931 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha there you are

mircea_popescu: hai!

asciilifeform: the above essentially sums to 'the problems of poverty'

mircea_popescu: let me do teh summing hm ?

asciilifeform: sum away.

mircea_popescu: so, didja mean a fedect free batch ? or else did all the items meanwhile turn defective /

asciilifeform: i mean that we have a pad defect rate of about 15 percent.

asciilifeform: if the rng batch is any indication of general quality of the vendor.

mircea_popescu: well if the rng is 30ish and the board 100, we could easily expect 3^2 that many defects in the board.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, what's the plan with it currently ?

asciilifeform: this isn't lethal, but it does call for certain revisions in mainboard design. presently, i have reopened it, adding test points. and considering splitting mainboard in two, even. (also for testability)

mircea_popescu: hm

asciilifeform: this takes serious thought.

asciilifeform does not often do 'serious thought'

mircea_popescu: so basically, you're preparing a more mf-friendly board design (mostly to improve testability) and intend to have them try make half a dozen or something ?

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: you know, seeing how they seem to replace defects etc, it would not be the end of the world to blow a few btc on just ordering that half dozen as is

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see above re: btc

mircea_popescu: we end up with 6 functioning boards in 3 shipments out of 54 duds, so what.

mircea_popescu: i can arrange for them to get a wire, what's teh big deal.

asciilifeform: btc is 'after-the-war-money' for me

asciilifeform: the big deal is that we're dangerously undercapitalized.

mircea_popescu: we are ?

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: i dun see it. how do these people get paid anyway ? paypal ? or what is it ?

asciilifeform: visa.

asciilifeform: iirc - only it.

mircea_popescu: you asked ?

asciilifeform: i asked the www, l0l

mircea_popescu: no, mf.

mircea_popescu: says on their site or something ?

asciilifeform puts this on list to ask

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, who wants to do buy me ~1k worth of parts with this outfit ?

mircea_popescu: was complaining about exchanges earlier, williamdunne ? danielpbarron ?

asciilifeform: that's the thing, buying 1000 units from mf is suicidally stupid

mircea_popescu: 1k dollars dood, not 1k units.

mircea_popescu: what, they're a dollar a pop ?

asciilifeform: l0l no.

mircea_popescu: well so then.

mircea_popescu: you spec an order of boards meanwhile to be ~1k

asciilifeform: 1k dollars doesn't need help, it comes out of my own piggy.

mircea_popescu: ....

mircea_popescu: im confused as to the actual problem is then

asciilifeform: the actual problem is that the sapper gets to err two or three times, at best

mircea_popescu: yes yes but the sapper doesn't get to contemplate his fate for too long and remain a sapper.

mircea_popescu: gotta order some boards.

mircea_popescu: nobody forces them to use em if they're broken, but we gotta know.

asciilifeform: think of it as venus mission. the probe is allowed to burn, yes, but needs to transmit some useful data before burns up.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00036015 = 26.7952 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: an you judge that ordering a few boards to produce a few prototype cardanos is not useful data ?

asciilifeform: it is useful data if i can expect at least one working board in the batch.

mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as they seem to replace duds, i think we can expect.

mircea_popescu: this is a business, not a tech decision. they've not run with a hundred, can be trusted with a k.

mircea_popescu: if they run with it, a well. what's called a write-off.

asciilifeform: currently waiting to see what they will say re: the cause of the five dud rng.

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: just, you know, teh nobles are getting restless.

asciilifeform: after these in fact come back, in working order, we carry on with step 2.

asciilifeform: meanwhile looking at other manufacturing houses aiming to compete with mf.

mircea_popescu: sounds liek a plan

asciilifeform: the restless folks are also invited to visit #b-a (or my personal mailbox, gpg plz.)

asciilifeform: but i believe that i have explained the basics.

mircea_popescu: i believe so.

mircea_popescu: an' in other news... wife trainin' http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9261g2Uf1rfc12eo1_400.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLoIP )

shinohai: At risk of sounding stupid, are these rng boards meant to generate keys in an airgapped manner, safe from those who are trying to break/weaken encryption?

mircea_popescu: !s cardano

assbot: 514 results for 'cardano' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cardano

mircea_popescu: shinohai ^ (see the oldest pages). also http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ and ulterior s.nsa reports

assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLsZ5 )

shinohai: ty reading nau

shinohai: I can see the advantages of a from-scratch board tho. I have seen various forms of this with arduinos, et all. But that leaves open the possibility of the hardware you are building on being compromised.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shockingly enough, the muryokoin in muryokoin.org is a... temple in koyasan

mircea_popescu: wut teh fuck.

mircea_popescu: (and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo) ☟︎

asciilifeform brb, food

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155945 << eh come on. we arrange for you to move in with one of the dc area sluts for a coupla months, save on rent :D ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:25:34; asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155952 << it could be made to mill finer but only with addition of particular apparatus. which can just as well be added as a standalone different mill being fed the prequalified choice grains. so let it be, we get to it once the world fails at doing anything useful with its time yet again, in a year or w/e. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:37:49; asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there

shinohai: ;;later tell WolfeGoethe One day I shall like to make your MacBookPro go to sleep forever. XXXxxx

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: heh

mircea_popescu: !up vekuso

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156029 << probably diddled by request of jp in connection with investigation of 'aum' or the 1,001 other similar weirdo orgs there ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 15:12:35; mircea_popescu: (and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo)

mircea_popescu: it's a retreat for some high level computer prograsmmers.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00035965 = 9.4408 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: kinda surprised you dun know it by name, on the grounds that afaik it's the only people doing what you do for a living, outside of russia

asciilifeform: it isn't publicly known, afaik. and, my not being in their wot, how would i possibly know of it until now.

mircea_popescu: by now phuctor's dredged up enough material for a spy novel. "what does muryokoin temple, the australian pirate party and debian/gnu have in common ?"

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.0003567 = 10.0411 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: and apple bug tip hotline, lol

shinohai: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.11.0rc1/doc/release-notes.md#privacy-stream-isolation-for-tor

assbot: bitcoin/release-notes.md at v0.11.0rc1 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARP1P2 )

shinohai: sorry, wrong window

asciilifeform: shinohai: since you did link it... here's a mega-question for 'tor' enthusiasts. what's to stop a 'malicious' (diddles traffic) node from routing its circuits -back into tor-, and having some other exit end up looking like the guilty party ?

asciilifeform: (question pertains to exit nodes, naturally)

shinohai: That's exactly what I was discussing with someone.

asciilifeform: it's a rather obvious question

asciilifeform: and i have never seen anyone attempt to answer it.

shinohai: tor is kinda flawed in that respect.

asciilifeform: likewise, it is trivial to construct an exit node which only doctors traffic on very specific and rare occasions

asciilifeform: and when human operator is nearly certain

shinohai: bad operators (read: govs most likely) have every reason to do so

asciilifeform: say, it watches for the 'captcha' that google virtually always throws at tor users

asciilifeform: (coming from known exits)

asciilifeform: and only begins to mitm -after captcha solved-

asciilifeform: no automated inspection bot will notice the malicious exit then.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7165 @ 0.00036274 = 2.599 BTC [+]

shinohai: Because 99% of idiots still have js enabled ?

asciilifeform: 1,001 variations on this theme possible.

asciilifeform: the very notion that there is any 'detection of malicious exits' worth half a sparrow's fart in the wind, or could be, is lunacy

asciilifeform: ok this is pure gold:

asciilifeform: 'Because release 0.10.0 and later makes use of headers-first synchronization and parallel block download (see further), the block files and databases are not backwards-compatible with pre-0.10 versions of Bitcoin Core or other software. Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs... The block index database will now hold head

asciilifeform: ers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support.'

asciilifeform: mega-l0l!

shinohai: Of course they arent!

mircea_popescu: eh, this'd be a lot harder hitting if you know... people didn't use retarded shit like whatever that thing was bothering copypaste

mircea_popescu: "install our buggy windows software, become part of a botnet"

shinohai: What's Windows?

copypaste: The Register, BBC and some other places wrote about that

copypaste: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32958624

assbot: Hola rocked by botnet accusations - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARQGnD )

copypaste: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/29/hola_vpn_used_8chan_takedown_botnet_or_not/

assbot: 'Free' VPN Hola is LITERALLY flogging access to users' devices • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARQHbg )

copypaste: yee

shinohai: I was lmfao that this 15 yo kid hacked that up good.

copypaste: oh yeah

mircea_popescu: copypaste not bad.

mircea_popescu: just sayin, people imagining pointing out to idiot tor users how insecure that shit is would persuade anyone ? shit, hola got 8 million users with 8 million exploitable holes in it.

shinohai: Thoughts on i2p here?

copypaste: Hard to use and hogs RAM. Requires a significant investment of bandwidth as well

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely different animals. there are folks using tor exits who -really- ought to know better.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 8chan users are collectively worth what ?

copypaste: like in BTC value?

copypaste: most are young people or in college, so probably not much per capita ☟︎

shinohai: It's a lot of java, if that alone isn't enough for me to have never really study it.

copypaste: yeah. All Java applications hog RAM simply due to overhead of the JVM

shinohai: @ mircea_popescu : did you read the compliments from your adoring fans on r/bitcoin this morning ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192250 @ 0.00036056 = 69.3177 BTC [-] {6}

shinohai: lol blockchain.info (0 connections)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the internet, dogs.

mircea_popescu: for instance, im not on tor, have occasionally derped on imageboards. same of you i would guess.

shinohai: I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind. ☟︎

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00036261 = 8.9021 BTC [+]

asciilifeform finally grasped the point of the 'bolt mod' for 'ibm model m' keyboard. was cleaning one that has not been cleaned in a decade. keys, chassis - easy, tub of dish detergent, three days. mechanism - washed in nonpolar organics. and that's when a dozen plastic rivets fell right off.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68850 @ 0.00036061 = 24.828 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156091 << i probably should have been more specific. meant, what -their data- was worth. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 15:48:47; copypaste: most are young people or in college, so probably not much per capita

asciilifeform: i don't give a fuck how many gold rings tor users are wearing.

mircea_popescu: lol gold rings

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156099 << what in the name of satan is a 'space cadet' ? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 16:05:26; shinohai: I hav lurked around tor but their is little excitement there for me. Mostly space cadets and libertarians of the worst kind.

shinohai: @ asciilifeform space cadet: those that sit around in dnm's and put god knows what into their system.

asciilifeform: dnm ?

shinohai: dark net market

asciilifeform: and wai wat, wtf, how does one 'lurk around tor'

shinohai: Well, if one wants to be informed, you check it out for yourself right?

asciilifeform: tor is this thing where tcp is bounced via three machines, selected by shitgnomiferous mega-turd of a client, over ssl (ditto)

mircea_popescu gets his popped corns.

asciilifeform: or was shinohai speaking of some forum devoted to the subject

asciilifeform: rather than tor per se

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plastic rivets are possibly the one stupid thing mostly saying "80s" to me.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if anyone cancelled plastic rivets!

asciilifeform: sadly

mircea_popescu: wtf who ever thought "o look, this zamac is too strong! we need a shittier replacement!"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that this was done to avoid the work of tensioning the bolts correctly

asciilifeform: the membrane (yes, there is a membrane deep inside 'model m') must be pressed to the steel 'anvil' evenly in all places, as far as is possible

asciilifeform: with bolts, somebody's gotta sit there with a dynamometer wrench and do the deed

asciilifeform: with plastic rivets, they had, presumably, a vacuum plate (think 'air hockey' table in reverse) and a hot iron.

asciilifeform: shinohai: pray tell, what is a 'libertarian of the wost kind' ?

asciilifeform: *worst

shinohai: @ asciilifeform the kind that parrot everything they hear on reddit

shinohai: and make everyone look bad

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00036025 = 26.2622 BTC [-] {2}

shinohai: Those that tightened the tinfoil hats on too tightly, and it has forever left an indelible mark upon their brains.

asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/dfdb6dd052416da726db6c2e5f76e875cf08c507 << so they're still using openssl.

assbot: build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build · bitcoin/bitcoin@dfdb6dd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcgJqD )

asciilifeform: shinohai: elaborate?

asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in? ☟︎

assbot: Fix off-by-one error w/ nLockTime in the wallet · bitcoin/bitcoin@75a4d51 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcgR9x )

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920116 << see also ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element

shinohai: There was this one guy who never shut up about "'murica is spraying chemicals on us every day"

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'

shinohai: I just don't get the appeal I guess.

asciilifeform: the appeal of what ?

shinohai: tor. sitting around on internet forums doing buying drugs with btc and hating on the government.

asciilifeform associates tor mainly with spammers

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89350 @ 0.00036061 = 32.2205 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://templelodging.com/spot/05kansai/koyasan014.html

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HchDDE )

shinohai: Hmmm .... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6231

assbot: Increase DEFAULT_BLOCK_MAX_SIZE to 1MB by chriswheeler · Pull Request #6231 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HchGze )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it's a s33kr17 k00l d00dz hidey-hole, this is a well-kept s33kr17

shinohai: He know's 1337. We can trust him.

asciilifeform: long term question for mircea_popescu et. al: who is still manufacturing mc68000 ? -other- than freescale corp. ?

asciilifeform: (zilog is still making z80, nominally pin-compatible with the 1976 variant, yes.)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00036175 = 4.0516 BTC [+] {2}

asciilifeform: i, for one, have not located any maker of true mc68k other than freescale today. (the eeprom-on-board variants are not 'true' for the purpose of this query.)

asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo ^^^^

gribble: The operation succeeded.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00036261 = 15.2115 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39679 @ 0.00036897 = 14.6404 BTC [+]

asciilifeform off to meatspace for a spell

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64842 @ 0.00036887 = 23.9183 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00036897 = 17.9688 BTC [+]

williamdunne: was complaining about exchanges earlier, williamdunne ? danielpbarron ? <<< hey?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102850 @ 0.00036947 = 38 BTC [+] {2}

williamdunne: I probably should be complaining about one particular exchange, but I'll give them a little more time to fix it, and if they don't I'll be calling them out on their bullshit

danielpbarron: I'm interested in the 1k thing

williamdunne: 1k thing?

danielpbarron: the thign you pasted is re: buying 1k USD worth of bitcoin

shinohai: So I found this http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-howto.txt on your site danielpbarron, and I just so happen to have a few spare drives already.

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWB2c )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24783 @ 0.00036979 = 9.1645 BTC [+] {2}

williamdunne: Oh right, mircea_popescu if you need to buy/sell 1k of bitcoin I can probably get that done for you

williamdunne: Dependent on how you need to receive the money/what you need to order etc

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78300 @ 0.00036555 = 28.6226 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48130 @ 0.00036997 = 17.8067 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron williamdunne it'd be for cardano parts, but on alf's say so. thanks!

mircea_popescu: !up Chicago

mircea_popescu: !up kalki

kalki: gracias.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: who're you ?

kalki: Just a person been looking at btc since late 2013... eventually discovered Trilema, contravex, and qntra, which led me here... now just trying to learn to swim in the deeper water

mircea_popescu: how's that coming along ?

mircea_popescu: http://bash.org/?203247 heh

assbot: QDB: Quote #203247 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUvqDx )

mircea_popescu: !up Guest84681______

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156135 << that's always been there, but it's not enough for their micropayment-channels and other hare-brained schemes. so they want to add more. ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 16:42:13; asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/75a4d512cfc9a451fa627a3487ffed102cc67cab << so the 'lock time' idiocy made it in?

kalki: well It's going - its a bit tough, but that is welcome considering that before I was limited to the level of discussion that happens on twitter or various "btc news" sites... I love the word, and REALLY appreciate the use of it I find in these circles... love the challenge - just hope I get a grip and feel confident enough as far as understanding the depths/possibilities/threats etc of what is happeningbefore the rocket leaves

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00035833 = 9.0478 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: shush you libertarian. if you made it it doesn't belong to you, it belongs TO EVERYONE!11!!1 - and what that means is... yeah you've guessed it. ☟︎

thestringpuller: ^- someone's in a good mood today

mircea_popescu: !gettrust kalki

assbot: kalki is not registered in WoT.

mircea_popescu: kalki you should prolly register.

kalki: mircea_pepescu Yes I need to. Will do soon!

decimation: asciilifeform: I have a model m on order, should arrive soon

decimation: do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod? ☟︎

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00037008 = 18.9851 BTC [+] {2}

davout: punkman: there's two sides to the nlocktime thing

davout: the one that's always been there and the 'improved' version

punkman: the "improved" is not yet in, is it?

mircea_popescu: iirc it made it in with 0.10

mircea_popescu: which was going to be "major version" but then some sense got slapped into the derp rangers.

decimation: !up diana_coman

decimation: !up asciilifeform

decimation: !up ascii_modem

ascii_modem: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC

assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FFxrta )

decimation: !up PFate

ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156192 << mega-kolhoz l0l ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:30:10; mircea_popescu: shush you libertarian. if you made it it doesn't belong to you, it belongs TO EVERYONE!11!!1 - and what that means is... yeah you've guessed it.

decimation: herr stoppler is a 'pirate party' member

decimation: http://stoppe-gp.de/

assbot: Martin M. Stoppler ... ( http://bit.ly/1FFxANf )

mircea_popescu: ascii_modem it's stunning to me this. the cattle seriously wish to behave as if in fact the kolhoz is the reality and what, we've missed the memo or something ?

mircea_popescu: nuts.

ascii_modem: it is the only reality they cab conceive of

mircea_popescu: bitcoin belongs to everyone like my sperm belongs to every woman : if she's on her knees and i feel like it.

ascii_modem: logically - because in other realities, they are biodiesel.

ascii_modem: 'anthropic principle' of a kind

ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156199 << -if- you know how. otherwise it's a waste of precious and entirely nonrenewable resource (model m) ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 18:34:45; decimation: do you think it is worth the time to 'preemptively' install bolt mod?

decimation: ascii_modem: there's no equality like everyone swimming in the same fermenter

ascii_modem: there are no reasonable substitutes...

decimation: ascii_modem: yeah the mod looks pretty time consuming

ascii_modem: when they run out - that's all.

decimation: none of the guides I saw mention using a torque driver

ascii_modem: hands are an approximate torque wrench

ascii_modem: if they're any good

ascii_modem: bbl

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00035852 = 3.6211 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00035852 = 3.6569 BTC [-]

danielpbarron: !up elgrecoFL

mircea_popescu: .

decimation: !up HostFat

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31238 @ 0.00035852 = 11.1994 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152520 @ 0.00035626 = 54.3368 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13023 @ 0.0003533 = 4.601 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: today i learned there's a .tn

mircea_popescu: "Like many (too many) other features in Wikipedia, the cite templates were created by a handful of enthusiastic editors without a clear analysis of cost/benefits, and posted by them as if they were a "consensus" --- which they most emphatically are *not*. Then many other editors started using them in the mistaken impression that they are somehow good for Wikipedia --- which they most emphatically are *not*. I used to d

mircea_popescu: o that myself until I realized the sheer idiocy of those templates, and what the word "consensus" actually means in the Wikipedia guidelines."

mircea_popescu: funny how pervasive this anti-pattern actually is.

mircea_popescu: funny how the memory hole effect works - people capable of spotting it in a field where they're remotely trained still fall for it in ALL.OTHER.FIELDS.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35038 @ 0.00036571 = 12.8137 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00036252 = 13.232 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00037058 = 11.3768 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101444 @ 0.00036383 = 36.9084 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61179 @ 0.00037068 = 22.6778 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00035423 = 17.5344 BTC [-] {2}

jurov: !rate Birdman 1 help with eulora on win32

assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/de552facbec313eb

jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.Birdman.1:2578d6eb28c39a9dc8019704a0791f65f509d16dedc4869f46b9b3fd5689836f

assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Birdman with note: help with eulora on win32

jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows << to anyone interested: he got it running using these steps

assbot: Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1cE14DE )

mircea_popescu: !gettrust birdman

assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user birdman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=birdman | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/birdman/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00036096 = 11.4244 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100150 @ 0.00037082 = 37.1376 BTC [+] {3}

mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc5mm1rWzl1re0c2uo1_500.gif

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cE1LNh )

mircea_popescu: !rate Birdman 1 Eulorian

assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5d4f1c111acd7bc8

mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Birdman.1:976f7718f13a10006b4dbcb51863678430ef492efc4cfa5f8edd81f76162d7e8

assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for Birdman with note: Eulorian

mircea_popescu: jurov "no comment no trackback" << except i left you one, and it looks kinda weird.

jurov: everything is moderated

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67814 @ 0.00035346 = 23.9695 BTC [-] {4}

mircea_popescu: a k

jurov: it uploads 20kB/s O.o

jurov: now it's picking up

jurov: mircea_popescu: all is uploaded, Eulora-June12015-win32.7z and cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe should be replaced with download links

jurov: what did you do comment (i could not find it) or trackback? ☟︎

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57339 @ 0.00035106 = 20.1294 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26257 @ 0.00037137 = 9.7511 BTC [+]

trinque lights his lantern, descends the stairs to the deedbot- chamber

shinohai follows trinque, imagining himself much like William of Baskerville in *The Name of the Rose*

shinohai: added to pr0nbot: https://i.imgur.com/g94RGlL.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTumhJ )

trinque hands the lantern to shinohai, makes his first incision in deedbot-

trinque: fixing this text encoding derpitude

shinohai: I'm just now getting comfy w/assbot. I was assured that assbot accepts all forms of ass. (x3!)

trinque: has it been stress tested with a wide sampling of asses?

shinohai: no. I am attempting to build a worthy bot. I was inspired by danielpbarron's node project - to use this minaturized wizardry to construct a dedicated pr0n node....

decimation: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/yEwTt < internals of that termtek 635 serial terminal

assbot: tk635 inside - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASEH9y )

decimation: it has an 80188, no fans, apparently EPROM

shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/WHYfqVF.jpg <TEST ASS>

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASEQK1 )

trinque: helicopter covered in sensors of some kind just flew over

trinque: god bless america

shinohai: I feel so safe and free.

trinque: had some kind of (radar? rf sniffing?) proboscis

decimation: the only thing weird about the terminal is the resolution of the display, only certain monitors seem to be able to sync properly

decimation: trinque: if it was just a tube sticking out in front it is probably for mid-air refueling (assuming it is military)

trinque: did appear to be military

shinohai: We would never do anything bad or malicious with our JavaScript, and if you ever run into any problems then feel free to <contact> <<< has anyone ever tested this?

trinque: the guy had equipment of some kind underneath the body of the copter, and something under the nose

trinque: should've taken a pic

decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M4ljh-vliQ < bigass heli refueling (turn off audio!)

assbot: Legacy KC-130 refuels CH-53 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTvXnL )

trinque: nah I've seen that

trinque: pretty cool

trinque: this was some wide panel under the nose, rounded

shinohai: I live near a small airport, so I am used to hearing planes.

decimation: ah. was it a bell jet ranger? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_206#/media/File:LAPD_Bell_206_Jetranger.jpg

assbot: Bell 206 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTw8zf )

decimation: many of the media helicopters from local tv stations have external cameras now

trinque: nah, this was painted all a muted gray, different shape, bulkier

trinque: grayish brown

trinque: media tend to have more prominent markings

decimation: like a eurocopter dolphin https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/USCG_MH-65C_Helicopter_6608_photo_D_Ramey_Logan.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASFPtE )

decimation: ^ note it has "inboard" tail rotor

trinque: there ya go

trinque: pretty much that guy

trinque: bulkier equipment under the nose

trinque: and brown-gray

decimation: interesting. what part of the country are you in?

trinque: portland, or

decimation: well whoever it was they had alot of cash to burn

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00036691 = 22.8218 BTC [-]

decimation: trinque: apparently cbp flies something somewhat similar https://www.flickr.com/photos/mdl_photography/4716744732/

assbot: U.S. Customs & Border Protection Eurocopter AS350 B2 Astar… | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTxzO8 )

trinque: interesting

trinque: there's a state air national guard base nearby

trinque: ^ back shortly

mod6: Update on gentoo build on physical box: so trinque & I worked on trying to get this Grub situtation figured out for quite a while lastnight. Seems that maybe something with grub2 doesn't like my hardware. Grub 0.9x is no longer supported... so I dunno.

cazalla: jurov, i think it's working! (eulora runs on win7)

mod6: I'm gonna try a few other things, might need to get this figured out on another machine. We'll see.

mod6: Will update again as I have them.

mod6: Thanks to trinque for the help.

trinque: np

shinohai: @ mod6 anything interesting on the bitcoind side of things?

mod6: Not of this moment, ... there was a completion of a full sync completed with asciilifeform's OrphanageThermonuke & TX Orphanage Amputation patches applied to v0.5.3.1-RELEASE. Nmon charts can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/

assbot: Index of /test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTyYnO )

mod6: I'm gonna work on trying to get IgProf going here now.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00037088 = 9.3595 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71393 @ 0.0003718 = 26.5439 BTC [+] {3}

shinohai: My sync is complete. My next project is a few mini nodes.

shinohai: It runs beautiful. It speaks to my minimalist heart.

mod6: ah cool :]

mod6: you're gonna get a pogo going? i still need to get a chance to get mine fired up.

mod6: too many different things I gotta get done first. ☟︎

mod6: heheh.

shinohai: Yeah, I'm gonna try the pogo, I got it running *sorta* in sl4a

trinque: I need to re-image my pogo

trinque: I forget what IP it comes up as :p

trinque: rather, which it expects the netcat it connects to at

mod6: sl4a 'eh

shinohai: yeah go ahead an insult me xD

mod6: naw, i think it's interesting. let us know how that ends up.

trinque: >minimalist

trinque: >android

trinque slaps shinohai with a trout

shinohai *shrugs*

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.000372 = 19.437 BTC [+]

trinque chants awaken

trinque: there he is

shinohai: Maybe one day I'll be so hardcore I can run it on a TI

trinque: just giving you shit

trinque: you could give the buildroot instructions a whirl for the pogo

shinohai: I had never even heard of a pogo before.

shinohai: tbh

decimation: asciilifeform: the construction of the terminal is nice, 19 gauge steel

trinque: decimation: what'd that run ya?

decimation: it was like $60 shipped on ebay

decimation: probably could get it cheaper if you could dumpster dive in the right spots

decimation: it appears to be from a point of sale terminal

trinque: cool

nubbins`: got an information-finding task if anyone's up for it

trinque: I might be crazy, but I *think* my dream mobile device is nothing but a terminal emulator that can ssh elsewhere

ben_vulpes: 1500 lines!

nubbins`: inkjet printers have waste ink counters that are incremented when you do a head cleaning

nubbins`: once the counter gets high enough, you can't print anymore until you reset the counter

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.000372 = 14.2104 BTC [+]

shinohai: and?

nubbins`: for newer printers, you generally get a free "wic reset" program and then purchase keys (~$7ea in quantity) that are good for single resets

nubbins`: but i think this is bullshit and i don't want to pay some company $7 every time i want to reset a counter

shinohai: oh so you need a wic reset program ?

nubbins`: no, i have one

nubbins`: well.

shinohai: nice

nubbins`: i need one that doesn't require the purchase of keys ;/

trinque processes the wtf he just heard

nubbins`: epson has a wic reset utility but it doesn't cover newer printers

shinohai doesn't even own a printer.

trinque: seems like we're at the point that you could pick anything to manufacture in the tech sector, and provided you *actually produce the thing named on the box* you'd be the greatest product in that space ☟︎☟︎

trinque: what a sad fucking state

trinque: nubbins`: so this thing is just some arbitrary amount of bytes in flash somewhere that must be reset periodically?

shinohai: I made the phastest btc miner EVAH! https://i.imgur.com/chaUJhn.png

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RTBJFX )

mod6: HEH

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.000372 = 7.7748 BTC [+]

ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti << my life

trinque: mircea_popescu: #4 will deedify at the hour

trinque: I sent it through to reproduce the exception (after re-uploading it to dpaste) and... it worked

trinque: actually strike that, lemme find the original link and I'll see if I can break it again

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28653 @ 0.00037202 = 10.6595 BTC [+] {2}

trinque: mircea_popescu: ah so mpex.ws does not say Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

trinque: in its response

trinque: just text/plain

shinohai: ;;bcstats

trinque: I can probably obviate worrying about that by just trying to decode everything as utf-8 ☟︎

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68900 @ 0.00037226 = 25.6487 BTC [+] {2}

shinohai: welp blockchain.info is back up

nubbins`: <+trinque> nubbins`: so this thing is just some arbitrary amount of bytes in flash somewhere that must be reset periodically? <<< the waste ink sponge eventually will overflow... unless you add an external waste ink tank.

trinque: ah got ya

nubbins`: but mine was at 85%-ish when it stopped printing

trinque: but of course! heh

nubbins`: most consumer-level printers never get close to filling their sponge

trinque: by not giving you an override, they're just saving you from yourself

nubbins`: they either clog up or get broken or sold/trashed before things get to that point

nubbins`: but if you print enormous amounts of heavy-coverage paper

nubbins`: things can get outta hand

nubbins`: oh ALSO

nubbins`: totally would be interested in a service manual for this thing (epson 1430)

nubbins`: if anyone happens to know where to find such things

mod6: ok igprof is built... now to just run it with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE...

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00037241 = 5.6606 BTC [+]

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mod6: ok asciilifeform's igprof_hooks patch applied to v0.5.3.1-RELEASE

mod6: building...

mod6: [ I'm running igprof with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE first as we know with this version the OOM-KILL signal is recieved. Maybe we can get a deeper glimpse to what's going on here. ]

mod6: After a profile with vanilla v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, I'll further profile with the two Orphanage Patches.

mod6: Unless anyone objects in the next 30 minutes or so.

mod6: as as separate note, I will not be running NMON with this full-sync test -- I want to get as clean of a igprof profile as I can. Don't want any thing else to disturb it's collection.

shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38nmxn/nyse_chairman_millennials_trust_bitcoin_more_than/crxbic1

assbot: prisonsuit-rabbitman comments on NYSE Chairman: Millennials Trust Bitcoin More Than Fiat ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jvp8az )

shinohai: so i can draw ponies and get paid btc for ppl to fap to?

trinque: deedbot-: http://mpex.ws/assets/s.bbet-2FB7B452.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvpFt0 )

deedbot-: accepted: 1

trinque: mircea_popescu: ^

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18219 @ 0.00037241 = 6.7849 BTC [+]

mod6: alright, bitcoind build cleanly with the igprof_hooks patch applied.

mod6: now to try to fire this thing up.

shinohai crosses fingers

ben_vulpes: right on, mod6

mod6: ok it's running.

mod6: This is all I see so far: http://dpaste.com/1N346W0.txt

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JvrPcc )

mod6: asciilifeform: check this out, does this look ok so far? ^^

mod6: it was executed like so: `nohup $INSTAREA/bin/igprof -d -mp -z -o igprof.mp.gz ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -daemon -profileheap >& igtest.mp.log &`

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107200 @ 0.00036399 = 39.0197 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00036618 = 5.8223 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33493 @ 0.000359 = 12.024 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86506 @ 0.00036604 = 31.6647 BTC [+] {2}