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mod6: I'm hoping that if I throw in
a bid with my mod6_auction IRC registration for auction #1077, this won't be an issue.
billymg: i see how "each line has its own class" is unclear and could read as "has its own _unique_ class" -- should have said "each line has
a class based on its type"
billymg: diana_coman: ty. re: the line styling, each line has its own class, so can be trivially styled at the theme level to suit any author's preference. i think it should be up to the blog's author to decide how they present their content (and if they do
a horrible job of it, their readership loss is on them too)
billymg: > visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? << this is the main reason, yes, and i thought that i kept that to
a minimum (1px light gray border is all really)
diana_coman: visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? (and I'm truly asking aka if indeed there's
a good reason for it, fine; I just don't currently see the reason)
billymg: so i could remove the 1px gray border and increase the width by about 20px so that it goes right to the edges of my blog's content column, but that would still be
a viewport, no?
billymg:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957590 << ahh, i see what you mean. yes that block was particularly bad in the first version, mostly due to the insane default css tab-width setting. it's also something that i tend not to notice because i don't use the scrollbars themselves for scrolling (trackpad on
a laptop instead)
billymg: hrm, i'm not seeing anything else in the trilema logs css that would fix it. so the space to the right of the pane is completely empty, not
a single line extending past the viewport's edge? is it
a lot of empty space to the right (in terms of pixels, inches, or however)?
billymg: in my version of firefox there is no scroll bar, but lemme take
a look at the css for trilema logs...
billymg: hrm, that's strange. that was my only guess as to what be causing the ghost horizontal scroll bar (those lines needed
a special case handling with `word-wrap:break-word;` to properly wrap)
mircea_popescu: 128MB default memory limit for
a PHP script << this is not factual ; there's no default limit for
a php script, it's set by config file, you can make it any value you wish.
billymg: and whether or not that was similar to what
a "linter" would do (which is closer to the first block, depending on how it's configured)
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "machine-wrapped lines" refers to the machine pissing spurious characters into the text, NOT to how any terminal ~displays~ the text. what's wrong is specifically comma-slash-n,
a syntactucally forbidden construction, \n can only follow
a dot, questionmark, exclanation point etc.
mircea_popescu: now, all this becomes entangled once we apply our
literate coding standards, because suddenly the code-vs-text difference above dissolves, and wtf are you saying, mircea_popescu ?!
mircea_popescu: there's the argument that very long lines are
a symptom of poor writing habits, and if one re-wrote his code such that "fitting code to viewport" is never an issue the code won't thereby suffer (and if this means ditching idiocies like "object oriented" and dead-end wanna-be nonlanguages -- well, it's
a public service).
mircea_popescu: wrt code however, mircea_popescu has no firm oppinion on line length, or what to do about it (apparently he also doesn't have
a firm oppinion on discussing himself in the third person, which strikes the fourth person mp, that being the first person reading itself in the third person, as
a little odd).
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:42:48 jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick
a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957545 << this is
a misunderstanding. wrt code, mircea_popescu is firmly against spaces-as-substitute-tabs, on the theory that duble vowels are stupid and triple-vowels pure linguistic breakdown. there's no fucking reason to keep clucking at the same button over and over like
a maniac ; and besides there's semantic difference between the two, spaces-as-tabs are just fucking
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:39:59 billymg: i think i lean towards displaying code exactly as it is, even if this means some horizontal scrolling _within_
a pane, rather than machine-wrapped lines (which can be disastrous for legibility)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 01:20:54 billymg: btw in
a few i'll be in cr for about
a week. this past week i've been setting up travel iron, archival and transfer procedures, etc. the digital part of the move proving much more complicated than the physical
mircea_popescu: bvt, i did see that, but i took it as
a simple stop-gap non-answer. it's there serving
a political purpose, i don't have cause to take offense for neglect or anything, which i don't ; but it's not ordinarily much of an answer, as there's no proceeding on it.
billymg: it's also on my todo list to eventually create
a reference theme for mp-wp. this should be an opportunity to better support the code "content type" within the context of
a blog
jfw: I'll need to duck out of the discussion for
a day or two though; been falling behind on my own priorities. Wanted to chime in though since I'd been recently dealing with blogging snippets.
jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick
a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
billymg: i think i lean towards displaying code exactly as it is, even if this means some horizontal scrolling _within_
a pane, rather than machine-wrapped lines (which can be disastrous for legibility)
billymg: i think the most involved was the one about styling. it's tricky because the ideal width for
a column of text in an article is not the same as the ideal width for
a pane displaying code
billymg: jfw: thanks for the quick and thorough review. i left
a response to your comments
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:40:14 trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with
a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
jfw: trinque:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957361 - independent of the proposed session cookie change, in theory this is not so: there's
a whitelist for the tags allowed in comments. In practice it seems to work too. It's in the ever so intuitively named wp-includes/kses.php
billymg: btw in
a few i'll be in cr for about
a week. this past week i've been setting up travel iron, archival and transfer procedures, etc. the digital part of the move proving much more complicated than the physical
mircea_popescu: there's
a self-obvious reason socialism existed traditionally as the political mode of
subsistence peasants, and then became an urban matter once industrialization produced of idle and useless vagrants in sufficient quantities.
mircea_popescu: so i really wouldn't be worried about any eventual extermination of socialism. if you don't wash you become filthy, and if you don't think you become
a socialist. these'll survive, being as they are the names for
a lack. lacks are eternal.
billymg: how much longer can socialism even survive in
a post bitcoin world? is the idea to scam as much as possible before it goes away forever? the failed forkcoin looking exactly like the failed state
mircea_popescu: working debate, proceeding usefully towards actionable results' been
a thing for
a while now.
mircea_popescu: " Non-debate theory is my invention. Non-debate, is to gain time to work hard. When you debate, everything becomes more complicated and it wastes time. Nothing can be done. Don’t debate, and just try. Be brave and experiment." what ludicrous, half-literate, anachronistical nonsense. where's the gook dog been living under for the past decade,
a rock in his native chinastan ?
billymg: hanbot_abroad: if you want to take
a look i just published
a draft of the vpatch. i think more can be done in terms of cleanup of the old code but i wanted to get some eyes on it before doing another pass
billymg:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957376 << ah crap, sorry i missed this earlier. they are more like constants (for adjusting e.g. whether you want decimal or roman numeral footnote identifiers) that were stored in the db because the average wordpress luser can't be trusted to edit
a few variables in
a php file and needs checkboxes he can click instead
BingoBoingo: Here's there
a lot of noise now about reforming the 2008 retirement reform that was itself
a "reform" of the 1995 reform.
mircea_popescu: basically the place's been economically in the equivalent of "having just lost
a major war" since 1880
BingoBoingo: At this rate they'll be getting
a "Peso Solidario" in the near future.
mircea_popescu: The peso ley 18.188 replaced the peso moneda nacional at
a rate of 100 to 1 and was itself replaced by the peso argentino at
a rate of 10,000 to 1 (the thing the austral replaced)
mircea_popescu: before that there was also
a "peso ley 18.188", replacing
a "peso moneda nacional" und so weiter
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-15#1956896 << here's some lulz : in 11985, the "austral argentino" replaced the peso argentino at
a rate of 1 austral = 1000 pesos argentinos. in 1992, the "peso convertible" replaced the austral argentino, at
a rate of 1 peso convertible = 10,000 australes. therefore, between the pre 1985 peso and the post 1992 peso there's
a relationship of 1:10^7
dorion: ave1 I hope those above lines didn't make it seem ~more~ overwhleming, but the bottom line I'd like to get across is yeah, there's
a mountain of work and while it's all achievable it has to be sustainable. let's work with urguncy, but not haste and make sure our early decisions are properly weighed.
dorion: trinque further notes that apparently 4.7.4 can be built with
tcc dorion: the summary there is 4.4.7 is what mp mainly uses and 4.7.4 is what Gales Linux uses. 4.7.4 is the last gcc version to not require any
c++ to bootstrap.
dorion: ave1 re gcc being overwhelming, why don't you take
a step back from it for
a bit and we work out
a highlevel strategy first. for one, we're not even sure we want 4.9.4. did you see
this ping ?
ave1: as for the genesis, I have the first steps, but are
a bit overwhelmed with the thing.
mircea_popescu: he couldn't learn
a hundred lines of trivially repetitive multiplication table, but he'll manage subway and bus schedules.
billymg: mircea_popescu: sorry for that, i didn't mean to be so dramatic with the "fine, i'll just work by myself then" -- i think i'm still working out the balance between check in with
a question vs. implement and seek feedback. though on review it seems in this case it was more
a matter of the clarity/information density of the question/communication
billymg: understood. i think i'm also adapting to the async nature of IRC (you may not hear
a response for
a few hours, possibly days, so your communication should be clear enough to not require short-loop back-and-forth)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with
a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:36:22 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on
a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn't be misrepresented as an optio
mircea_popescu: reading which, i daresay to dorion that "No one yet owns GCC, primarily because I've been waiting to see if ave1 will resurface" is pretty lulzy
a cocnept.
mircea_popescu: trinque, your blog is such
a pain to navigate, dear god. so i want to see your previous article. well... there's no recent articles on the sidebar so i can't just ~see the title~ therefore eschew the need to click things. but let's see the archives... oh oops... this month's archive is entirely identical to you know, your latest article, for the first mile.
mircea_popescu: let the servants work for
a living, what the fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: could be interesting for
a lol. if you're using it for your basis you're way the fuck outta here.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with
a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
mircea_popescu: 3. users logging in get the cookie passed and
a new record in sessions on the basis of the pw thei provided hash-matching the one in users ; logged in users get recognized on the basis of ip, user agent and session cookie identity (all three).
mircea_popescu: 2. there should be
a sessions table, where logged in users time of log-in, ip, user-agent, session cookie are stored. sessions older than 24h should be deleted server-side. the session cookie should be
a hash of at least the ip, the user agent and server date-microtime.
mircea_popescu: 1. there should be
a users table, wherein existent users passwords are stored hashed.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:40:14 trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with
a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
mircea_popescu: this also means the code's
a preliminary, mock-up. as the user uses, the "options" become resolved into actual correct functioning, and the option-enabling portions get rewritten.
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on
a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn't be misrepresented as an option anymore,
a mircea_popescu: so yeah, i'd very much prefer anyone doing anything for me treat
a "suspension" for any term and for any reason as ===
a lifetime ban of the alleged "provider"/scammer.
mircea_popescu: the natural counterbalance of
a hallucinated right to "suspend" is the very real freedom to treat the hallucinator as
a common scammer, which is PRECISELY what they are.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 16:22:00 lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957332 << long story short I went to do
a 'dry run' install of everything on the shinjiru server and uncovered
a host of snags that I'm currently ironing out (such as ports being blocked, them 'suspending' the service in error for
a day, and my general derpage with basic sysadmin)
dorion: ave1 I left you
a comment though it didn't specifically say it went to moderation. I have it saved so let me know if you had any issue getting it.
billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with
a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with
a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957253 - I was due for
a re-read on ye olde crime of being an american, huh. Reflecting on when the article first found me, probably 2015ish, my reaction was to continue the path of distancing myself from the mob, but also to keep
a distance from this perceived cthulhu pointing the gun at me for the happenstance of birth. The hospital analogy makes
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:49:03 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is
a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn't mean they're not afflicted.
lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957332 << long story short I went to do
a 'dry run' install of everything on the shinjiru server and uncovered
a host of snags that I'm currently ironing out (such as ports being blocked, them 'suspending' the service in error for
a day, and my general derpage with basic sysadmin)
hanbot_abroad: yeah, i was talking to nicoleci about her "etymology" series, and didn't notice i was typing into #trilema rather'n #trilema-hanbot until she higlighted me there. it was...
a confusing second and
a half, lol
mircea_popescu: i've muted it for now. get back to me asap, once it's fucking fixed, and what the fuck bright idea was this to replace
a working "bad" bot with
a "better" one that
a) dun fucking work and b) isn't even maintained.
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-22 lobbes: mircea_popescu: this was
a bit of regression after rewriting bot from lobbesbot to auctionbot; I neglected to re-code in the "check if spoken previously before announcing" piece. I will put this on my list to fix