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mircea_popescu: rade, as part of being independent liberated woman etc -- as
a colt she wished something or the other re "oualelor de paste" which is an impossible construction derived off romanian ou ie egg by someone who doesn't understand how difficult genitives form. so she was celebrated for an april in song and lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was the daughter of just such
a wonder, the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate the game on the radio while you're looking). the chick was only famous for once on tv -- because hey, she followed the famlby t
mircea_popescu: the only problem is the very lulzy soviet-style gerontocracy involved. i mean, they've nobody but 90yos left to "leadership" them, and if they need somebody to star in
a tv production it's gonna be
a dude born in the 50s ?! still, today as in 1970, as in 1980, as in forever, the heroes of socialist labour are the same exact physical items ?
jfw:
a productive evening then!
mircea_popescu: yes, but this situation was arrived at with
a lot of posturing and labeling and such nonsense.
tecuane: welp my time is up and i didnt really learn anything i already knew apart from mircea_popescu likes using the synonym feature of microsoft word
a bit too much and the dislike of translations is actually just not liking other languages as opposed to "there might be bugs"
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what's house md, but you've such
a terrible record answering these.
tecuane: it feels like you watched House MD one too many times and thought "lmao thats
a really good personality trait"
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care if you put
a "you're beautiful today" motd in your libc. but i also can't use such
a libc, so i'll have to fork it if i want to use it. which is the whole point here.
mircea_popescu: did you ever do any work in an actually secure environment ? because there's
a difference of perspective, you realise, between hipster doofuses trying to impress imaginary girlfriends with their code-inclusiveness, and people who write systems that do not lose other people's money.
mircea_popescu: you'll look up "foutez" and "camp" and decide what, "fuck me the field" is
a french idiom ?
mircea_popescu: tecuane, your notion of what words mean is inadequate. you can't "look up
a word" in this sense, because natural languages do not admit strict equivalency.
mircea_popescu:
a polyglot is someone who speaks multiple languages. this state doesn't take the "expert" tag.
tecuane: even if they were in
a different language
tecuane: imagine if you could use
a service to look up
a word
jfw: I at least haven't written
a class except as required for Python exceptions in years
mircea_popescu: i suspect you might have been somewhat isolated for
a few years, but i have no way to answer your "in what universe" q, for lack of an indexing mechanism. in not-yours ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I was trying to not shock tecuane with this notion that it being
a public chan there are actually *other* people reading and talking and generally participating.
mircea_popescu: it was
a worse fucking idea than "object oriented", and it's high time it got marked as such and put in the dustbin where it belongs.
tecuane: "not how it works" is
a weird descriptor for something that has worked just fine for kinda
a long time imo
mircea_popescu: having an open ended alphabet is like having
a square wheel. not how it works.
tecuane: jfw: it seems like
a weird thing to be concerned about 2bh
tecuane: are you
a sovereign citizen mircea_popescu
tecuane: its not fair to bring The Riddler to
a conversation
jfw: tecuane: I have no problem at all with what languages people represent on their computer, the more the merrier; I very much have
a problem with extra code (+ potential bugs) being added to my computer to support it in core system utilities
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 15:58:41 ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole
musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is
a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
tecuane: apart from using "considered harmful" which is unilaterally considered the most dumbass way to get
a point across
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole
musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is
a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:08:08 mircea_popescu: i get it, you're
a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, s
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:57 mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage to be ? two weeks hence mod6 shows up with
a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery that happens to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on
a worldview he doesn't share ?
dorion:
a reason I read the logs w/o talking was that very "try and figure out how to conduct myself such that the others don't puke." as I had puked myself reading the various douchebags.
dorion: it seems like if it is
a great place it ought to have
a stiff learning curve.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the best model to inform this issue'd be the western cowbody brought to boston, or any other such savage-in-london rapturous moments. well... do you suppose heaven has
a stiff learning curve ? how to conduct yourself such as all the others there don't throw up ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:38 mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in
a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion:
a step back and asked
a question.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's
a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from
a previous version but that's still an added line to (
a previous version of) the manifest file.
mircea_popescu: r instance by speciffically calling them for it point blank. for some reason he didn't do that though he self-evidently could have, maybe there's
a reason for that other than his being shy, such as perhaps that he doesn't wanna force march it, for which call there might in turn also be reasons and so on."
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're
a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage to be ? two weeks hence mod6 shows up with
a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery that happens to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on
a worldview he doesn't share ?
mircea_popescu: another reason is that this throwing darts work allocation method's never been observed to work in practice. the correct way to allocate work, as actually observable in the damned logs you've supposedly read and re-read, actually works on
a very hit-and-miss basis in the first place (owing to itemized an' specifically described failures an' assorted head cockroaches of the ~worthless white anglophone young male)
mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in
a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: jfw is
expecting to finish the offline side of Gales Bitcoin Wallet this week, so his development plate will be clearing
a bit. He has an unpublished patch to trb to simplify the build system on Gales, so checking/working with mod6 and getting his patch published could be his next priority. Among other simplifications
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's
a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from
a previous version but that's still an added line to (
a previous version of) the manifest file.
diana_coman: bvt: why does your
vpatch cancel
a line from the manifest? To my mind this doesn't quite make sense - if you want to revert to
a previous point, that means simply branching the tree from
a previous node so using *that* manifest, doesn't it?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: in other bot news I
ditched that last host and found
a new one on Friday; they claim 48 hours to deliver so I'm expecting it'll be ready for me to start setting it up by probably Wed. This new host is in Brasil btw
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958115 << the toilet vps lobbesbot is on is down again. Will see what they say. (honestly atm lobbesbot has ~only two used commands: !Qlater-tell and !Qcalc ; instead of finding
a new home for lobbesbot I'd rather just make another bot do those and retire the thing. But I've got other botworks in the queue)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-15 22:52:40 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell spyked you know i got
a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell spyked you know i got
a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: !!later tell spyked you know i got
a comment in your queue since like fri
mp_en_viaje: i just temporarily lost the services of
a laptop through the cord sparking in the exact same way. fucktards.
whaack: mircea_popescu: noted. what I gather is I tried to use
a style I dun understand and created something amusing in the “laugh at” rather than “laugh with” sense. When you say the various “similarly looking” articles substantially aren’t at all similar - did you mean that the trilema articles are not similar to each other or that they’re not similar to what I produced?
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for the part where wuhan was never within western world tolerances for pollutants this millenium, nor since the mid 80s/early 90s, and this includes everything, not just so2. these are the people building coal power plants by the hundred
A DAY, after all.
mircea_popescu: which, you know, ~technically~ could be the result of burning corpses. you know, like because so many people died from the latest "bird flu" nonsense that there's
a cloud of sulphur dioxide
mircea_popescu: the reason we want better tools is for to manage the interlocking system of options, as per von moltke's doctrine (yes, fellow's not coincidentally mentioned ; but indeed has been for
a long time among the greatest influences of manly sanity available), not to actually ~do~ anything forthwith.
mircea_popescu: everything that exists is easily gone. rome sits on karstic hills,
a guatemala-style sinkhole could have opened up and swallowed it 600 cubits underearth at any point. it didn't, which is besides the point in this discussion.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:39:30 mircea_popescu: there's
a lenghty pile of disadvantages to the current mechanism we use, not least of these being that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
mircea_popescu: and obviously odoacer had that major effect, of ruining the roman forum's schelling point quality. something which it had, perdurantly, for centuries, was lost one summer, like things are lost, like all lido gets
a sandbar eventually.
mircea_popescu: to gather, they must gather somewhere. if the lordship fails to produce
a schelling point, they will not gather.
mircea_popescu: pretty much certain it's what got ceausescu shot, in the end,
a hundred thousand people with
a thousand memories each of "my friend Q, place W, year R ; my friend T, place Y, year U" and so on.
mircea_popescu: but by now, "the west" is exactly in that fucking position, "oh, this is the pizzeria, you can't have some pizza, oh that was the steakhouse where i was gonna take my friend as he was leaving, well... there was
a queue so we ended up not going, that'll be our memory of our parting in year Z, how we were gonna but didn't because the regime is
a piece of shit"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well, only earlier this morning it dawned on me that yesterday's idiot would have been quite at place at
a party meeting so yeah.
mircea_popescu: it couldn't be, in 1985 cluj,
a case of "come meet me
at X for Y". it always had to be "[unless they're out]" as
a coda. unless theyre's
a [too long] queue, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: in short, my trivializing, oral style's built out of
a whole lotta scholarship, not out of
a whole lotta triviality.
mircea_popescu: the problem with irc is that if you've actually got
a dedicated moron, there's no good way to keep your log from filling with crap otherwise.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's
a good point, so I'll do just that, thank you.
trinque: you're
a cunt's dumpster, woof.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:11:06 mod6: I fully agree, mailman is
a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 19:52:30 mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had
a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, that's for sure one of them. however, there was
a more recent, not directly bitcoin related, egregious example which literally claimed ONE year.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know that absolute or relative bigness is
a necessity for exhausting Italians.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, this'd be
a good theory, except of course ethiopia is very small by african standards. about the same population as the region of lazio at the time, like 10mn.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the only winning strategy for Africa. Throw bodies at the problem, keep taking losses which are actually
a win until the other side exhausts. Solve two problems.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, in practice they kinda got defeated in all engagements, just wore down the flimsy italians through sheer numbers. very unlike the boer fucking up the brits right and proper
a half century prior.
BingoBoingo: Socialists had
a coup. The depose 80 year old had health problems as folks his age tend to. Still too much of
a perceived threat to their more equal Africa and...
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: Some cult formed around
a cardboard cutout of him. They smoke weed and listen to Bob Marley.