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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one of those already
asciilifeform: or did they add a zero to the wage while i wasn't looking
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk << Seriously try Home Depot
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, re: retooling to ada; I think my overall thought was, get v054 complete, in its classic form. Then move along to ada perhaps. But then there's still the question surrounding your suggested changes. Should be done in cpp ala classic? Or full re-write including your changes?
asciilifeform: i mostly just mutter incantations, prayers against drought, evil eye
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/.
ben_vulpes: mod6: custom work is all i do.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i do not envy you your wurk. it sounds like it includes a serious dose of hyoomaninteraction even.
ben_vulpes: you think /i/ need help shitting out some tags?
ben_vulpes: how would i know, why would i care
mod6: the main thing is; i've gotta get the makefiles in proper order, and basically, iirc, they already are real close.. but the thing I gotta work out is making a vpatch to add them to the source tree.
mod6: so in other news... yeah, tomorrow will work for me. i know trinque has been doing good work on deedbot etc lately, so I'll try hard not to bug him on the shit i gotta do.
asciilifeform: but i do not have it.
asciilifeform: i admire ben_vulpes's talent for herding animals
ben_vulpes: last i heard you were estimating algorthmic complexity of impossible cpp hairballs
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes knew what i do there!
asciilifeform: i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk
ben_vulpes: i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit.
mod6: im not sure which is more depressing actually, shitshoveling in a jerva shitstack all day, or walmart. make me want to pitch a tent in Mr. P.'s garden instead and work on math machine, even if futile. would be more rewarding than the shit i do on an avg. work day
asciilifeform: l0l i had no idea they sold anything to civs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i met a few of'em in the flesh even, they came over
ben_vulpes: i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment
mod6: i can't imagine it is at all.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: every time i dial the videophone into your favourite portland small usgtronics co., i think of you.
mod6: once, i quit doing computer shit
ben_vulpes: i have yet to find anything /less/ painful for webwork.
asciilifeform: l0l i did nit even know about the arity thing!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suppose if you don't need error handling..
asciilifeform: not entirely unrelatedly, i got my first ever cobol recruiter pitch today.
mircea_popescu: i thought clojure was $goodlang
ben_vulpes: i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try.
mod6: otherwise, i'm good if we wanna discuss someshit now for like 30 mins.
danielpbarron: i also hate those sites
ben_vulpes: i have an 0800 PST train
mod6: i agree, a bit of a plan would be good. hold me to something i think.
mircea_popescu: is tomorro workable ? i'm mostly around all teh time so no biggy for me. or better later in week ? fri ? sun ?
mod6: yeah, i've been a bit mia because of all this shit-shoveling i've had to do lately.
mod6: after the 15th, i need to contex switch, saddle up, lock and load on the makefile thing and see if we can finally get this stuff wrapped up.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << oh probably whatever work I get done in the vein of trinque's makefiles. ☝︎
mod6: i just did a `mkdir foo ; cd foo ; wget -r http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/`
mod6: i did a recursive wget on this files.bitcoin-assets.com and alf has his own dir. lol
mod6: although, i wanna do stuff all by hand, if that makes sense.
mod6: shinohai: ah, i've breezed through it rather quick, yes.
shinohai: mod6: I suppose you have read http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, it';s necessarily generalizable ; i linked a generalisation for convenience.
mod6: i've been doing some reading about this lately on what I can find.
mike_c: but does that work with 1-6 instead of binary? I mean, you could build up the numbers binarily, but that seems like an even bigger pain than buying fancy dice
mod6: yeah, i can't seem to determine if they should be whitened if good rolling techniques are used. meaning, high friction surface, bounce off wall, shake in round & covered cup, etc.
mod6: i'll report back on 'em.
mike_c: degaussing no, I took it as the nuemann thing for unreliable number smoothing
mike_c: mod6: I am not an expert and haven't tested anything. simply word-on-the-street level info
mircea_popescu: mike_c the idea is you know what i mean by degaussing ?
mike_c: personally if doing something like that I'd setup a read slave
mike_c: readonly access from someone trusted enough not to grab locks on everything? I guess
mike_c: ;;later tell trinque and yes, i <3 postgres
mircea_popescu: comparing the workrate differential, i'm starting to think the sane thing to do is spin it off to someone who actually wants to do it and move on.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, something obscure that's been taking him 6 fucking months. it's beyond scandalous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently << i'd be happy if i saw the damned phuctor already.
shinohai: Sure, I still read the older stuff
mod6: i think the logs contain the most relevant and interesting conversations of our times.
mircea_popescu: i also think he was sartaskik
mircea_popescu: i think the only one i ever missed was in march
mod6: i feel like a book of them would be good to re-read though
mod6: i haven't missed a single day
shinohai: Thos #b-a logs are so large every day I can't read them all now.
mircea_popescu: (for current month, i mean)\
shinohai: Last absinnthe night I had ended with me in a room with 3 girls. I'll say it went dandy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sorry, that didn't take as long as I thought it would.
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
shinohai: I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze.
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently
phf: i'm useful
asciilifeform: much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << i've been wondering same. ☝︎
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
phf: in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0)))
diana_coman: I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
diana_coman: hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think?
diana_coman: I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points
asciilifeform: diana_coman: at what school, i wonder, is any of that ~actually~ happening
asciilifeform: also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11'
asciilifeform: i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case.
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly.
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
asciilifeform: then i could shove it under some office doorz.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to do this ;/
mircea_popescu: well why i put the log in notes.
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
mircea_popescu: i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not mega-seekrit, if i turn on a radio or tv set, 9 in 10 chance i hear precisely this wail.