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a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 05:07 mircea_popescu: and following
this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant
therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit
to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
mod6: i really need
to wrap my head around some of
this stuff; no excuses.
mod6: ahh. part of
the whole
thing is, even after all
this
time, im still pretty non-clued on
the whole portage usage. i guess, one-adventure-at-a-time, im learning more.
mod6: ah, crud, must have missed
that
mod6: ah. if you built
the rockchips with
that, i bet it would
then, ya. yesterday, i was wondering which old one you must hvae used.
mod6: soon
the only bridge will be
the 6->5->4 ben_vulpes dance. (until cuntoo)
mod6: ty. it basically is pure luck
the old one worked. it won't work forever either.
mod6: Now, just gotta do
this again with
the 2nd box.
mod6: I did get one of
the boxes installed so far with 4.9.4 GCC from an old stage3. Interestingly
the stage3 from 2015 was
too old (was complaining about EAPI
things), but my other old stage3 from 20170316 was still ok.
mircea_popescu: and following
this logic -- because pot is relatively unimportant
therefore it'll never be securitized. sure, it'll exist, like saltpeter exists, but nobody will give enough of a shit
to learn by heart arbitrary names for geological deposits like "brent" or "texas sweet crude".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the "robustness" principle is, properly speaking,
the "computers are unimportant" principle.
mircea_popescu: the refinery isn't "liberal in what it accepts" -- on
the fucking contrary, everything around it changes
to provide it with
the ~exact~ expected item.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in
the general : much like
to say
that
there was a limit where
the flaunting of
their foul acts and opinions before
the world must stop" is exactly like saying "the emperor got his crown from
the pope -- not
the other way around" ie, "pantsuit is
the sovereign", just EXACTLY so saying "be liberal in what you accept" is exactly saying "you're not worth
two shits".
ben_vulpes: i will
take
this rebuke and mull it over with my kindleberger
a111: Logged on 2018-03-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: JUST SO,
the bank ~sold~ people bills
to itself. if you pay
the bank $5, you get in exchange... a bill for $5,
that you can give
to
the bank, as if
the bank had sat in your restaurant and ate $5 worth.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misunderstand, but when i
think "securitized" i
think "brent" and
the forsakeofargument "bvulpes reserve-grade distillate", which anyone can produce from flower if
their heads are screwed on with more
than 2
threads
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, if shit only fucking worked and idiots kept
their mouth shut and
their gefingerpokers in
their buttholes heh-heh-heh"
mircea_popescu: this is
the other end of
this same rifle barrel, you understand. we're indignant "shitgnomes, shitgnomes EVERYWHERE!!!", but meanwhile people in industry have
to jump
through flaming fucking hoops
to keep
the supply lines in working order. and
they do. and
they get good at it, and are slightly amused at
the entitled neckbeards.
mircea_popescu: and
that reason is...
that
the supply was made secure.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 21:57 mod6: We need exactly
that, but something
that yields an actual working box. I was unaware
that since apparently last year,
the wreckers junked us.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:37 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you
think m3 ~screw~ is impossible
to find in shops here --
try a ~tap~. one
time asciilifeform broke a m3
tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot
tried
to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
ben_vulpes: pot at least has yet
to achieve full starbuxxification; and
that industrial value-extractor-from-american-moocows will want standardized, homogeneous psychoactive product
to spray atop its flavor-of-the-week flower imitation
ben_vulpes: how
theoretically wouldja securitize cryptography
mircea_popescu: cryptography is not securitizable for
the same exact reason - before we came along NOT A SINGLE ANYTHING CARED.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: characteristics of arbitrarium, hydrocarbon refinement byproducts of no more
than your mom) are coming
to further smear
the soi-disant independent
thinkers into precisely
the same paste
the megastate produces everywhere
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, it's a single level of biorefinement, but it's a 'lithium' for
the folks who refuse
to
take
their ballas-prescribed sedatives, preferring for whatever reason,
the "natural stuff". i'm not saying it's not a pink-sheet securitizable, but
that standards for
the commoditized (and inevitably, securitized) product (thus and such cbd,
that and so
thc, viscosities of whatever, optical
mircea_popescu: not likely gonna happen, it doesn't occur
to anyone
to "make sugar illegal"
to bring back dat cookie jar feelin'
hanbot waits for
the "illegalize it" wall scrawls
mircea_popescu: turns out
that if it's not illegal, it's not really all
that demanded, either.
BingoBoingo: And
the Uruguayos hate being reminded
that
the Dictatorship gave
them
their legal weed. Frente Amplia keeps
trying
to spam
that it was
their idea.
BingoBoingo: Despite wed having been legal in Uruguay since
the Dictatorship legalized consumption in 1973,
the Uruguayos still import from Paraguay
mircea_popescu: they suck at everything equally, if
they manage
to actually inhale 10% i count it a good month.
hanbot: er, half
the bud it smoked.
hanbot: mircea_popescu half
the bud all of san francisco lost might not be half
the bud san francisco (bought and
then) misplaced
this month...
mircea_popescu: an acre of land can produce either ONE pig belly or else about half
the bud all of san francisco smoked
this month.
mircea_popescu: understand
the difference between pork bellies and pot : pork bellies are a)
the most closely guarded part of pigs which b) are animals
that eat
the most closely guarded part of corn which c) leaves exist
to produce.
there's
three degrees of biomass reduction at work here, pork bellies are like
tuna, not like fucking zooplankton. which is why prime
tuna costs $$$ and pressed nori sheets are in
the discount bin at
the cheap st
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just because some rasta brains
thought "cowrie shells are like, cool! and shit... man" dun mean jack.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i can't follow your logic. how do you explain eg cowrie shells not being a "securitizable asset" by
this same logic ?
BingoBoingo: Well,
trinque
They might be able
to smoke it all day as price goes in
the direction it does for robust agricultural commodities
ben_vulpes: it'll
take a decade but
there will be a securitizable asset here, just like pork bellies. only nobody stateside even wants
to contemplate
the notion because it runs so contrary
to
their self delusions and delusions of special "girl scout cookie" product burn away
trinque: this being
the reason anyone ever dealt weed:
to have a
ton of weed around
trinque: the bluehairs
thought legal weed meant
they were going
to get
to smoke weed all day.
ben_vulpes: and so
the bankers will call on margin again and again as
the marktomarket value descends.
ben_vulpes: it's entirely saleable as an input
to industrial processes in precisely
the same manner as nicotine is sprayed on cigarettes
mircea_popescu: outside of
the imperial racket supporting it, ganja is worth exactly
the same as usg's "intellectual property" or usg's "real estate" : ~0.
BingoBoingo: I imagine if you are in Oregon
the winning move is
to export
mircea_popescu: and
then what, base
the currency on
the piles of
thc ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, borrowing against
the future dun work. what,
then get
the usg
to "stockpile" it like sugar/corn ?
ben_vulpes: and yeah farmers get rekt and bankers book it; story of
the ages.
ben_vulpes: anyways
this is a solvable problem and it's being solved by
the people i
told how
to solve it by refining
the otherwise excess product into shelf-stable distillates and offering lines of credit securitized by
the refined product at market prices just like any other asset
☟︎ BingoBoingo: It's an agricultural product. Business seems
to draw
the "money while you sleep" crowd
mircea_popescu: governments,
the bigest draw on consumers since
the invention of consuming.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: From
that link: "Jo Ann Hardesty Says She’s
the Angry Black Woman Portland City Council Needs. We Agree."
mircea_popescu: anyone srsly
thought anything but
the usg is keeping
the prices high ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 21:59
trinque: you know,
the one with
the chewy ssh keys.
mod6: I
thought
the second way would work, and in fact `gcc-config -l` does report : x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 ; however, it seems like none of
the ebuilds would work with a stage3
that old.
mod6: (all
the details are in #pizarro)
mod6: The second way, I just
tried was with a stage3 from 2015: stage3-amd64-nomultilib-20150716.tar.bz2
mod6: Well, I've gotten stuck 2 different
times.
The first way was with a stage3 from yesterday, which,
the install worked, but left me with GCC-6.4.0.
ben_vulpes: girthy spittoon, i still don't understand how
the overlays of
trinque's musl overlay work properly; not even really which knobs
to pull
ben_vulpes: granted
the 5 is built with a ken
thompson'd 6, and
the 4 built with a
thompson'd 5.
mod6: if so, will keep
track of
the steps for a possible new doc.
mod6: alright, im gonna see if I can get ben_vulpes' downgrade dance
to do
the
trick.
trinque: you know,
the one with
the chewy ssh keys.
☟︎ trinque: obviously
there are other problems. if you want musl, you need ebuilds with musl patches. as it stands on stock gentoo,
this means using "layman" which for
the musl overlay, eats directly from shithub
trinque: mmmhm.
they specifically called out gcc-4.x as excluded from glorious future.
mod6: Yeah, so our own OS, even if we don't know what we're quite doing yet, is more worthwhile
than what gentoo has
to offer.
mod6: We need exactly
that, but something
that yields an actual working box. I was unaware
that since apparently last year,
the wreckers junked us.
☟︎ trinque: sure. and next
time you blink
they'll require clang
mod6: Once opon a
time,
the docs we put
together for
trb users
to build a gentoo worked. Much better, and much more clear
than
the gentoo garbage docs.
trinque: if you were
to build a gentoo using
their standard instructions, nothing in
that would block you from replacing with a cuntoo userland later.
trinque: mod6: it's very much in
the works.
mod6: yeah, our own
thing is 100% required at
this point.
trinque: mod6's experience will repeat until we own
the portage
tree
trinque: I'd rather get a v-tree of our own portage going
than continue
to flail at
the empire's ceaseless breakage.
mod6: I'm
trying
to build up
two machines so I can do some
trb
testing with rawtx, et. al. Kinda hung until I can get an OS installed.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-14 03:13
trinque: diana_coman: regarding your cuntoo build problem, net-tools upstream has apparently broken build on default gcc-4.9.4. If I pass -std=gnu99,
the definer of IFNAMSIZ is included and
the
thing builds.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I'm awaiting
the new V before I re-release
that. I'll update
the article if you like.
mod6: Whatever docs
TMSR~ has
to install a gentoo are out of date. New ones are required.
mod6: I'm having a reaaaaaly hard
time installing gentoo with a gcc4 now.