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mod6: Now what is a waste of time, for me, is this lisp/sexp shit. For instance, lastnight it cost us 2 man hours. 1 for me, 1 for ben who had to take me through the entire rockchip lisp thing that he created.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'waste' may be wrong word. but quite hard to see why it is a blocker for the more urgent puzzler of 'where to get customers'
mod6: Now do I think he's wasting time? No. I'm sure he hasn't spent much time on it at all since I even created it, but he would have to say for himself.
mod6: So. I created this database back in March to help track inventory, payments, customer accounts, etc. This all to help ben_vulpes save time when doing reporting. Which, as I understand is taking him a lot of time each month.
mircea_popescu: you've been "managing" the thing for months, haven't yet hired a single salesman. what are you managing over there, the transition into bureaucracy ?
mircea_popescu: you find yourself in the unique position of a start-up running out of runway that doesn't have AS MUCH AS A LANDING PAGE. suppose i wanted to send people over ; where the everloving fuck do i even send them ?
mircea_popescu: well, why not kick him while he's down. so, ben_vulpes , do you understand the meaning of "They know how to work those" in http://trilema.com/2013/attention-cunt/#selection-37.37-37.64 ? ☟︎
ave1: hmm, I've got to go now, but will check in later
asciilifeform: unless it wants a nonstandard var name ? ( what does it want? there are 0 docs ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in env it's -j32 , and no effect from this either
ave1: will be picked up from env, not in config.sh, the tarball script will make it's own config.sh in build/build-bootstrap (in general in build/build-<platform-name>)
asciilifeform: ( and yes i set the -jxxxx in the configs )
asciilifeform: 1 prelim result : the parallelism dunwork
asciilifeform set up test of above, lessee if worx
asciilifeform: i must confess that i agree with mircea_popescu : the postgres db thing is neither here nor there, and in fact harmful, i would like to be able to run ben_vulpes's calculations as before , using his lisp proggies, without having to fuck with a db snapshot, wtf srsly
ben_vulpes: i don't think it useless nothing as it will snip significant time off report generation. the pressure from the board is to forge forward with the rockchips, but if there's change to be eked from the shared hosting i should capture that as well, so thanks for the prodding.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 18:15 ben_vulpes: not required but it is the next item on my conveyor after the april report
mircea_popescu: are you burning time on any random useless nothing you can think of, just as long as it's not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808145 ? ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
ben_vulpes: mk, makin some progress on the pizarro accounting/assettracking db
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/gay-bullshit-matador-laberinto-de-pasiones-ley-del-deseo/ << Trilema - Gay Bullshit : Matador, Laberinto de pasiones & Ley del deseo
mircea_popescu: aand in today's olde trilema lulz, http://trilema.com/2011/exercitiu-practic-de-dileme-morale/
asciilifeform: sorta the appeal, from my pov. countermodernity pr0n.
mircea_popescu: subtle my fucking foot. the ~point~ is that art can not create new forms. which is why the fuck they even did the constant copying of masters to learn arts.
mircea_popescu: "For devils have no power at all save by a certain subtle art. But an art cannot permanently produce a true form." aka "Item Dæmones non operantur nisi per artem. Sed ais non potest dare ver am formam."
asciilifeform: http://krotov.info/acts/15/3/molot00.html << pretty good stalin-era translation.
mircea_popescu: now where the FUCK did they say the bit about the stars ?
mircea_popescu: (latin) Prætereà, omnis alteratio corporalis, puta circa infirmitates aut sanitates protreandas, reducitur in motum localem, patet ex 7.phys. Quovumcanque est motus c li. Sed Dæinones motu c ll variare non possunt, Dionysius in epis. ad Polycarpum. Quia hocsolius Dei est. Ergo videtur, quòd nusla mitrasmutationem ad minus veram, in corporib. causare possunt, quòd necesse sit homini transmut ationes in aliquã causam occ
asciilifeform: ( the ru translation is pretty much 1:1, and prolly likewise the ro, and the contemporary de transl ditto )
asciilifeform: oh throw out the eng translation, lol
mircea_popescu: herefore it is evident the demons cannot actually effect any permanent transformation in human bodies; that is to say, no real metamorphosis. And so we must refer the appearance of any such change to some dark and occult cause.
mircea_popescu: (english) Moreover, every alteration that takes place in a human body - for example, a state of health or a state of sickness - can be brought down to a question of natural causes, as Aristotle has shown in his 7th book of Physics. And the greatest of these is the influence of the stars. But the devils cannot interfere with the stars. This is the opinion of Dionysius in his epistle to S. Polycarp. For this alone God can do. T
mircea_popescu: anyway, the english translation is terrible. consider :
asciilifeform thoroughly enjoyed the read
asciilifeform: pretty advanced, conceptually, text, working from clearly specified priors, a+++
asciilifeform: 'if they could once, they could rm -rf / '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: repeatedly makes the point, yes
mircea_popescu: actually it even has a "zero one infinity" statement. "if demons could alter the world then what'd stop them at all"
mircea_popescu: very refreshingly medieval perspective. what's all this "i'm a producer" bs.
mircea_popescu: thieves ~are~ thieves, there's no point in "re-education" jail etc.
mircea_popescu: well, it generally rejects the possibility of change. very platonic.
asciilifeform: tho i read it as in application to 'they turn men into birds, and birds into men' etc
asciilifeform: exactly the 'more odd claims' i meant
mircea_popescu: approximately, "whosoever believes in self-improvement is worse than a pagan"
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i wanted to quote : "Qui credit, posse fieri aliquam creaturam, aut in melius deteriúsve transmutari, aut in aliam speciem vel similitudinem transformari, quàm abipso omnium Creatore, pagano et infideli deterior est."
asciilifeform: ( it is pretty great b00k, all around, and quite 'liberal' even, contrary to what the derps in amerischool 'teach' about it -- forbade trials by ordeal, imposed procedure , proclaimed heretical some of the moar odd claims popular at the time re subj )
asciilifeform: and i half-expected to find mircea_popescu quoting from sprenger's latin original
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the external site is a bag o'lulz, belongs to iirc some radical feminist types
asciilifeform at one time lived in a house with an aquarium; on several occasion the fish -- jumped out. perhaps this is it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mit is the owner of ~nothing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile moving on : the malleus item linked has a "The source version of this text, with notes and additional material, can be found at MalleusMaleficarum.org [External Site]." except the "external site" doth not include such an item.
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's observations re the aquarium. what, exactly, is aquarium fish to do, if he doesn't like the owner ?
mircea_popescu: no relation between these items.
asciilifeform: ditto the nice folx who remove unplugged zeks from the grocery etc. when it bounces there.
asciilifeform: the armed evicters who show up when the rent check bounces, do exist, i've seen'em at work
asciilifeform: i think i get it, mircea_popescu is a zhukov-style 'mine field, what mine field, cowards, you have feet, nao move'em why dontcha' sort of commander.
mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit o' the clap's the best thing for ye.
mircea_popescu: cancer also tends to strike typically healthy people, did you observe that ?
mircea_popescu: "typically tallest", "typically loneliest", typically whatever. sure, observed typicallies.
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to go with "typically", you're going to also say "clouds typically look like dragons"
asciilifeform: lightning is not bad model -- strikes, typically, tallest.
mircea_popescu: pugachev and zhukov, exactly same : RANDOMLY. and yes, any other one could have, these could not have, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: it's like thinking you were "targetted" for a street mugging. yes, you were, guess by what ? you were targetted as one of the schmucks who imagines they can be targetted by street muggings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it is strictly my position ; the clouds don't fucking aim ; nor does, nor ~CAN~ socialism aim.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, same thing fucked yehzov as the ligthning fucked tree. what, you think the clouds aim ?!
asciilifeform: this is a pretty odd, to put it softly, position, that , say, pugachev was dragged in a cage to the chopping block 'randomly' and 'anybody could have' ?
mircea_popescu: same is true for all the great heroes of socialism, whether they died in bed or in prison.
mircea_popescu: that minsky had or had not "his" "bank account" zeroed is ENTIRELY not related to minsky.
mircea_popescu: any zek can be fucked at any time ; you know this going in. attempting to ascribe fucking to activity, and especially to discrete activity items, is folly.
mircea_popescu: what do you propose killed the recently discussed yehzov, his "incorrect actions at mit" ?
asciilifeform: hows that
mircea_popescu: except they're not problems in the way you describe them.
asciilifeform: for people who aren't mircea_popescu -- these are very real problem.
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're mircea_popescu , you can describe the problem of folx for whom bank acct being zeroed, blacklisting from employment, declared outlaw, as 'imaginary'.
mircea_popescu: and existence is predicated on intelligence, and mit never had one. it's just a humongous pile of printed dollars, the us-style equivalent of the chinese "sovereign funds". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ~existing~ things don't go away ; imaginary nuisances -- do go away.
asciilifeform: not all nuisances go away when you close eyes and pretend they aren't there.
mircea_popescu: you don't put an anti-prng in the fg. why should any of the ai people put an anti-mit or a f(mit) however defined in their behaviour ?
mircea_popescu: doing "the opposite" or "moving to garage", or anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER that in any way is biased by the mit is no go. ☟︎
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, this is a 'here's a tank grenade, take some with you' argument. and perfectly valid.
mircea_popescu: and so on. how long do i need to extend this before it catches ? ~~~NOTHING~~~ the monkeys say is interpreted. at all, in any way, to any degree, never.
mircea_popescu: they then decided sussman isn't welcome either ; eventually they had to make a new "lab", to alleviate both the problem of their pretense to sovereignity, and of the people not caring what they say
mircea_popescu: for random reasons mit decides minsky is no longer allowed in the building ; sussman gave him his key card.
asciilifeform: different when actual money on the table.
mircea_popescu: mit says minksy must use the color green. minsky ignored. mit spent 500 politruk-hours to discern whether he even did what they said or not ; came up with either of these. minsky still ignored. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( every so often, you see zeks who 'i'ma build anyway'; recall recent case, john carmack, and his ocular thing. built company , popular gadget, then the patent trolls show up; now they own it. )
mircea_popescu: other than what we've been fucking doing ? sure, why the hell not. the people involved build the thing ; when mit said some things, they ignored them altogether. give me some examples of thins mit said and i could just ignore for your edification ?
asciilifeform: for my edification, plz sketch this out ?
mircea_popescu: nope. they could have simply ignored anything to do with the mit itself ; and then let the mit-tards figure out ON THEIR OWN TIME what's going on.
asciilifeform: my argument is that 'underground, out of old tires', yes you can build borz that way, but no not lispm.
asciilifeform: i suppose they could have ran off to su and tried to persuade brezhnev to build a lispm ?
asciilifeform: these folx were playing by the 'free world'(tm)(r) rules, with the patent and copyright etc claptrap. so naturally 'by mit rules'
mircea_popescu: do you eat bananas like a fucking orc, in "certain ways" that are "spiritual" according to the imaginary bananashamans ?
mircea_popescu: do you ask the banana how it wants to be eaten ?
mircea_popescu: out of mit's gear. NOT on mit's terms. use, you understand me ? use. like a thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the objection is the other half.
mircea_popescu: that is not the objection.
mircea_popescu: ignoring is ignoring, you understand, when you "retreat to garage" you aren't ignoring, you're alternatively validating.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 22:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good thread, and notes, but the central q is still unresolved in my head -- argument is that 'they should have left mit and built the machine, in a garage, in zimbabwe ( so as to avoid paying license fee )' ? or 'should have built it without having ever been at mit' ? or which
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813338 << neither of these. should have simply built, ignored the pantsuit wrangling altogether. ☝︎