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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is fine for you neh, talk to rc suppliers, qwho are all in china, until one wants to sell 96 pcs on wire. this way you know who to talk to about ~other~ pieces also later on, as i fucking doubt anyone only sells rc on amazon yes ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: it does. doesn't do anything for wires tho. and i looked in the docs, word 'wire' is only mentioned in re third-party sellers on lulazon being able to accept them ( on own power ) as payment
mircea_popescu: lobbes, were you looking to buy some btc btw ?
mircea_popescu: the more one tends his garden, the more one has shit to rely on later.
mircea_popescu: for that matter -- specializing a few localbitcoinists, if this is at all possible, has the advantage of you know -- adding people.
mircea_popescu: solutions abound ; but yes they don't fall in the eager open mouths, have to be actually applied to work.
asciilifeform: ( on top of mircea_popescu prolly being right that it can be made to eat wires, if coaxed )
asciilifeform: the other thing, i doubt that lulazon is sole source for anything. merely fast/convenient in asciilifeform's locale. but e.g. the rc board ~is~ available elsewhere
mircea_popescu: you think amazon doesn't have exactly the same problems as pizarro ?
mircea_popescu: usa bank card is what, 40% of the market.
mircea_popescu: not that i use it much.
mircea_popescu: when the hell did that happen ? im pretty sure i ever only paid it via wire
asciilifeform: it doesn't, however, it wires tho. would need a specialized 'localbitcoinist' afaik .
mircea_popescu: so how did a.1 turn into b.1 while a.2 is entirely aside ? no working classifier, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: how did dc bank account morph into "BingoBoingo's piggy" and why can't you have the same process for, eg, ordering shit off amazon.
mircea_popescu: this is so bizarre. it's like talking to the insane.
asciilifeform: ( tho i'ma prolly still need a hand with those, from other l1 folx with lulazon accts )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ideally can supply BingoBoingo's piggy this way, and free up asciilifeform's usd for rockchip etc physical plant construction and delivery
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located". << That's the deal. People doing wires do wires. Just gotta route around USistan
mircea_popescu: to add to that pile : looked at "adclerks.com" recently ; advertising item that claims to take bitcoin. discovered that actually the largest sites listed are tiny, and it's altogether dubious the sum of the top dozen or w/e actually adds up to trilema.
mircea_popescu: anyway, by no means isolated effort. continuing through eg http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044 or http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-april-2018-statement/#selection-1091.0-1091.47 or etcetera.
asciilifeform: ( the 2013 item )
a111: Logged on 2013-09-06 20:10 kakobrekla: we debunked primeasic on the second day
asciilifeform: smickles ? i was tuned in but not speaking iirc
mircea_popescu: or too early.
mircea_popescu: predated kako's run to hungary to examine w/e "miner" maker. you recall that btw ?
mircea_popescu: and if it does that, you got an item. remember the first actually deeded item, smickles' report re i don't recall which scamfest ?
asciilifeform: the worst it can do, afaik, is to silently swallow the test probe
mircea_popescu: odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located".
asciilifeform: worth a test
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt that.
mircea_popescu: sure, you know the bank acct.
asciilifeform: or am i misconfiging the search box
mircea_popescu: talk to whatever, belgium. denmark. dutchlands. any and all countries work, you want a ~wire~.
asciilifeform: https://localbitcoins.com/instant-bitcoins/?action=sell&country_code=UY&amount=&currency=UYU&place_country=UY&online_provider=ALL_ONLINE&find-offers=Search does seem to report ~something~
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering how little your needs are (what was it, a few k's worth of monthly wire ?), if indeed the whole of localbitcoins can't provide against hard currency, THAT is a qntra lulz item right fucking there.
mircea_popescu: most people kinda discover this when kids reach school age -- while no such thing as perfect school... nevertheless, gotta send them somewhere!
asciilifeform: right, this item gotta be solved
mircea_popescu: because this situartion whereby "nothing, because something's flawer" is really a 2nd approximation of death.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- something is better than nothing ; i'm not insisting on the specific someting, merely provided by means of example. as long as there's something.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was a) a quote and b) re buying btc, not selling it.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-28 07:42 mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
asciilifeform: iirc last anybody tried localbitcoins, it showed no signs of life
mircea_popescu: but in general, you can't leave this as a dangling pointer. it's a significant threat, gotta be defended in depth.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:12 mircea_popescu: aite, let's get back to this.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ahdGa/?raw=true Thank you
jurov: spyked, iirc we used 4 accounts and it took about a month? surely it's in the log ☟︎
diana_coman: so I started ave1's script on a pc and hopefully I'll have a fresh gnat in the morning
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:55 diana_coman: aha, why I chose the other one; but I can try the native one anyway too, sure
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813816 <- rounding this up: tried it and yes, as expected, arm indeed but can't really use it since no musl ☝︎
mircea_popescu: at the very least the attempt will inform the "build a compiler" work.
asciilifeform: and then say where the 1 dangling pointer is.
asciilifeform: try it some time.
asciilifeform: it is not possible to say this except when you've never tried to disasm a multiMB turd, what can i say.
mircea_popescu: size and difficulty are not considerations ; the only thing that makes items unattractive is the scent of "other rats" to borrow an eden metaphore.
mircea_popescu: attractive problems are always and without exception those where all muck has been cleared and the naked wall of reality is expoised.
mircea_popescu: looky : a) eventually you will have a binary to cut the boostrap knot ; b) that'll have to be audited ; c) the golden standard of auditing is and remains "check the bricks" rather than "verify the bricking process". hence things like the radioactive brick in cement.
diana_coman quit once a "workplace" with the exact: your idiotic problems won't be my problems anymore
asciilifeform: if even 1 bit differs -- then, inquest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the correct way to expose thompsonism, is to implement the compiler, and THEN to diff the bins.
diana_coman: it might be my weird optimism but I'd say people are so starved of interesting problems that not-being-idiotic is already a huge reward
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: medieval serfs who built '400 year' cathedrals, were at least able to see the stones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in my experience ( and to asciilifeform personally ) problems which provide zero incremental reward ( not even to speak of massive penalties for failure ) are not attractive.
asciilifeform: (and observe that napoleonic ordnance is still sometimes found. not even to speak of ww2.)
asciilifeform: whereas a compiler bug can be a constellation of 9,999 conditions that must occur just-so.
asciilifeform: it is much harder problem , than, say, to clear ALL of the unexploded ordnance from ww2. a mine, whatever else can be said of it, is at least a physical object.
mircea_popescu: and "drink the ocean" is an eminently attractive problem. in fact, i know of no more attractive class.
mircea_popescu: you meet idiots by having dumb problems. that's what jail fucking is, even : forced dating club for the sort of idiots dumb enough to be petty criminals.
asciilifeform: 'write new ada from the spect' is an attractive problem. 'drink the ocean' , not so much.
asciilifeform: point being, it is actually considerably easier to write a new ada. ( in lisp or in whatever. )
asciilifeform: 'come and drink the ocean with me' ?
mircea_popescu: and how do you propose TO MEET THEM ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'nothing weighs too much', unfortunately this is not so, there are maybe a dozen people who can play, alive, and i actually dun know any of the other 19 , and even a 64kB binturd can be month's work, and problem is not O(n) even.
asciilifeform: ( this is the kind of thing that uncovers thompsonism, say )
mircea_popescu: a lot of peripheral, deeply useful work for the intelligent tuned in.
asciilifeform: and ideally 'gold' binary, to be built with ~that~
asciilifeform: incidentally 1 other interesting auxiliary project , would be to determine what is the oldest gnat that will build ave1's generator
mircea_popescu: the only impossible task is the undefined task. once we pinned it down in the "this and naught else" format, it's doable.
mircea_popescu: and nothing weighs too much. human weight on planet earth is half a trn tons.
mircea_popescu: distributing ~just these~ is by far the elegant cut.\
asciilifeform: ( the thing weighs far too much for anyone to ever audit in the sense contemplated with e.g. ffa )
mircea_popescu: there is no way to ~not~ distribute binaries, ever, at all, because of the bootstrap problem.
asciilifeform: this is fine, so long as it is understood that it is not necessarily 'cleaner' than adacore's
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I really get that but onth if I have to get a bin I'd much, much rather get one from you than from adacore
asciilifeform: then -- can tentatively say 'official binaries'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:45 asciilifeform: ( we will find and kill wherever it is gcc's back-end pisses time/date/whatever-unique turds into the output elf )
asciilifeform: once we get http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813778 , and determine that the thing builds itself , and result builds itself, .... , n-deep ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we prolly want to hold the complete set as a sort of standard somewhere anyway.
diana_coman: aha, why I chose the other one; but I can try the native one anyway too, sure ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( a build on dulap took ~5 hrs )
asciilifeform: can try also the pc version, on pc ; or later rebuild and get all 4 proper ones once eggog fixed
asciilifeform: can try the 'native' ( it prolly won't run, iirc it needs a musltronic linux )
diana_coman: kind of what testing is for, at any rate
asciilifeform: prolly typo in his script.
asciilifeform: his aarch64-native is trooly arm64;
diana_coman: hm, let me try again then
asciilifeform: i think you may have unpacked wrong ball