log☇︎
97500+ entries in 0.053s
asciilifeform: apparently not, if they aren't openly in the wot and standing up to lordship ?
mircea_popescu: this is not so, the first thieves usg sent actually went bitcoin native.
asciilifeform: granted in theory ~eventually~ it will settle into some ground state, perhaps in mircea_popescu's pocket , but this doesn't fix the problem of fiatola interface, necessarily.
asciilifeform: in re 'silk road' food chain, the coin can in fact be stolen from usg agents, in turn by usg.thieves, in turn by usg agents again, in turn by miami-dreaming latvians, and again by usg, and so forth, infinitely many times. none of these get visibly 'corrupted' , they continue to dream of miami afaik.
mircea_popescu: classical london, the model the us briefly seemed to manage immitating, was the place where all sorts of orcs (such as you know, lenin) went into "exile", because unlike their originating goatfuckistan, london did not give a shit about "politics" and "ideologies". because it had a better one.
asciilifeform: nao granted this is in post-2001 usa, vs 'vhs'
asciilifeform: whereas in reality, osama et al can attend oxbridge, fuck 9000 choice aboriginals, and come back to goatfuckistan to make peroxide of acetone in cave
mircea_popescu: this ~actually happened~, which is why all sorts of ideological products centered on flower-power (mostly made by kids who were 12ish during woodstock and not admitted, so they got bitter and dreamed up their woodstock in heavens) contain more or less exact, direct depictions.
mircea_popescu: sure. yet, for illustration : suppose camelfucker (as esltard imagines it) were sent to bomb vhs-america (as orc imagines it). the result ? after weeks of silence, "hey man, why do you want to harm these ppl, they're cool. i put in my greencard application and found a local gf, don't call her a whore she just likes to give head in bathrooms, it's all good"
asciilifeform: the mega-problem is, that it remains to be seen... whether bitcoin actually works. ( consider, in principle, errybody, from the dc folx, to the cheese sellers at the sunday market, ought to be cutting one another's throats for a chance to get some of that sweet coin sent their way. BUT in actuality, they do not! why not ? )
mircea_popescu: this is how the republic corrupts, in that once it's on the table, every man is now compelled to make a choice, and the other choice is incompatible with intelligence.
mircea_popescu: no. not the certain point. every day, every agent opf the empire is confronted with the http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-967.295-971.2 problem. it is why they send people to steal the bitcoin from that "silkworm" tard, then sent more people to steal it from the people they sent to steal if and ended up stealing it ~for thems
asciilifeform: ( i.e. at certain point, all of the working brains in the enemy camp, 'sell out to bitcoin', and what remains is buncha weirdos shouting orders impotently like the old man ceausescu )
mircea_popescu: well, do you then see how this is the only available blade of "fiat corrupts" for the empire ? dull and small as it is, it's their mangy goat, one and only. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i think so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you understand how the "bitcoin corrupts" portion of republican ideology works ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:05 mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something.
asciilifeform: now that we reviewed the usg-plankton-thieves triangle , possibly mircea_popescu grasps why asciilifeform disagrees with the moral angle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816611 : yes , it is problem to accept 'dirty' fiatola, but not from ethical angle, but because we don't have the tank divisions and orbital thermonuke droppers to properly counter a fully-rousted enemy anthill, yet ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ("but mp, you don't do drugs ; what's more, you despise the junkie lifestyle -- shouldn't you despise burroughs ?!" "riight, because i'm you and http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/#selection-373.681-373.811 applies to me, narf.")
mircea_popescu: now, he didn't figure out that his notion of "right wingers" exactly maps to "clinton democrats", but otherwise, the problems of integration still drive the democratic world.
asciilifeform: there was ample warning, starting from the orig american prohibitionists.
mircea_popescu: transparently, the reason the old man even did the film, and what they tgold him to be in it etc, is because he wanted to put the following phrase out there where i could reach it : "that in a few years, the right wingers will use the narcotics pretext to create an international police state".
mircea_popescu recently re-watched http://trilema.com/2011/drugstore-cowboy/ ; it is notable because pretty much the last extant footage of w s burroughs. ☟︎
asciilifeform: to a man, they never 'checked out mentally' from usg reich, they still dream, in the end somehow, of miami.
mircea_popescu: moreover it's remarkable how well the averages are attracted. for anyone with functional analysis practice the underlying equality is evident.
asciilifeform: this also calls to mind the several previous threads re 'why do carders/smugglers/etc still use paypalade and convert bitcoin to usd whenever they get any' etc.
asciilifeform: so it follows that it must be balanced.
asciilifeform: i must agree, because if the system is disequilibriated somewhere, it is to small enuff amount that i cannot see , with naked eye, where.
mircea_popescu: which is why their per-sweadrop returns vary and are so precisely alligned.
mircea_popescu: and the cost ~to the system~ (because no, NOBODY who speaks english as a primary language PRODUCES anything, nor has, nor will while this lasts) of either kind is very finely equal
asciilifeform: ( see in particular today's qntra, incidentally )
asciilifeform: well yes, they play the role of lions and rhinos in a kind of safari park for usg 'threeletters'
mircea_popescu: just, "you can either get three food pellets a day and here's the cage bars, or else two and a half food pellets and we use the special invisible bars for your cage. same cost to us, what's your preference ?"
asciilifeform: the 'i'd rather make 50k as a free man in sunlight, even if running from police, than 500k under fluorescent lights writing usg reports'
asciilifeform: they aren't (all) terrible at maths. simply there is a hidden term in this equation.
mircea_popescu: the illusion of improvement is after all the most important mechanism in empire.
asciilifeform: so no, there is not a 'same money', it absolutely is not 'same money' if it has to be earned in a cube and wearing an id badge '9 to 5'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's complicated, for them; all of the examples i've witnessed up close, were simply running from cube hell, and absolutely did not give half a shit at what, exact , cost; and i can't really blame;em
asciilifeform: as for the zooplankton, i have yet to meet one who appears to grasp the implications of no-carding world ( 'and when my money's gone, it's gone, and i can't borrow moar, time to sell daughters ?! holyfuq' ) but watch their faces when shown bitcoin, where this is the order of things
mircea_popescu: no "for the same money" ever issued out of their cubicalized brain.
mircea_popescu: except the people involved aren't good at math, in the sense of compartimentalizing things in their heads.
mircea_popescu: because tghat's the other angle of it : the "enchanted world of carding" is carefully engineered so it works as about 92% of the return-per-work that "legit" drudgery works out to .
asciilifeform: this applies to all 3 points in the triangle. i do not know whether the cc thieves and dope peddlers understand that without usg's maintenance of the upside-down world, they would work just as hard and for just as little, as used tyre sellers and train station pickpockets. ( i suspect that the smarter ones -- do ; but nfi )
mircea_popescu: the http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-119.0-119.99 is as much a part of the shitworld they built for themselves as is "herp derp your words can never touch me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except the modbug inept restatement of the foregoing attempts to enact his sponsor as some kind of aloof superior. whereas in reality it very much isn't, all parties are exactly equal, in their idiocy.
asciilifeform: this was implicit in the 'anarchotyranny' label, which i stole from somebody or other (moldbug?) where it was described how a predator-prey equilibrium is carefully maintained by usg
mircea_popescu: anyway. what ambitious girly with http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.251-133.334 delusions as to "how the world works" meant by "socialism has ruined my country" was, "This nazi Maduro dared make venezuela uninhabitable for stupid cunts like me!!!! CALL MOMMY!!!". nothing else.
asciilifeform: but yes, this makes sense
asciilifeform: the 'they hire somebody to make proper rsa card', it's a 'fried ice' hypothetical, tho. because the cc 'fraud' is a required element of maintaining the konsoomer 'purchasing' circulation the system needs in order to live.
mircea_popescu: hey Mocky , how do you like the power of logs and blogs leveraged to make incredibly fine points incredibly well ? this'd be why http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and ~this~, this and only this, is why i said and i've been saying that only burning the whole thing down is a feasible approach. because of this.
mircea_popescu: all three parties are captive in the system! the devils can't fix, because the mirvniki won't let them and the vory permit them to not fix ; the mirvniki won't fix because the vory won't let them and the devils permit them to not fix. and the vory won't fix because... the devils won't let them and the mirvniki permit them to not fix.
mircea_popescu: by which they mean fo course, "this doesn't take us closer to http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ but further away from it, so we'll drag our feet as much as possibru).
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, to return to your theory : if government somehow decided to hire you to make them a proper card and implemented your design, the other end of the retard empire, "the people themselves" (aka, http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-97.245-97.262 ) woul;d not use it because (and this is a direct quote) "it's too much pressure".
asciilifeform: this case is quite typical tho, the reich prosecutes 'death ray plots' while allah happily snackbars ~biweekly in londonabad/al-paris/etc , not much new there
mircea_popescu: if what maduro is running there is socialism i'm a woman.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 21:17 fettiffany: because socialism is crap, that's what has destroyed my country
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except they DO KNOW he exists. recently present retard dared say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815400 as a proxy for "fuck maduro", rather than being there, naked on hands and knees, begging to be allowed into the system. as per http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-56.1 and http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#selection-167.0-175.137 an ☝︎
asciilifeform: asciilifeform suspects that, according to even 'well-read' plankton , mircea_popescu obviously cannot exist , as the last mircea_popescu was ghaddafi and the latter got bayonet up his starfish, erryoneknows
mircea_popescu: is there anything worth less in the reich than a fucking woman ?!
mircea_popescu: their apparently shared expecation is that they can sit in a bar at a table together and drink the same beer.
mircea_popescu: yes, but think! think! rodrigo bonzalez the javascript expert of a shitty apt with not even a working lock in madrid perceived pighead the hard timer as... ALSO!!!! a javascript expert.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-04 13:42 mircea_popescu: and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.
mircea_popescu: socialism has created a broken world. which takes us right back to the rock'n'roll / soviet state thing from yest : the 1988 problem ~wasn't~ aesthetic. it was that the "responses" provided by "the system" were strictly speaking http://trilema.com/2018/printul/#selection-39.91-39.107
asciilifeform: i suspect that the reality of the matter , in re the above , is beyond the squirrel brains of the gurlz, they are not equipped to process it and reject as ufology
mircea_popescu: when THE FUCK was this not the case, but even contemplatable as the case ?!
mircea_popescu: do you realise ~every single fucktarded sub 25 yo girly on fetlife~ thinks "her relationship is great" and "my guy gives me everything i want, which you couldn't" ?
asciilifeform doesn't pretend to have a tight grip on the problem, relying as he does on 'astronomical' observations through a thick fog of crapola
mircea_popescu: your theory, only covers one portion of the problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the tripartite system : fearless peons (except will sign any confession if asked by hitler) - indolent thieves - clueless bureaucrats.
asciilifeform: there is also the variant where they knew the # , but not yet settled in agreement on precisely how to cook the books
mircea_popescu: don't you expect the lowest most basic requirement of any issuance to be able to produce count(issued) ?
mircea_popescu: they give them fucking id cards, are you kidding me ?
asciilifeform: why should they count pigs? i suppose the thought was, let washington/nato count'em, they bought'em
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if this guy meets your definition of "budget model" then i am at a loss for words. how would the putative mob set the hiring standards higher ?
mircea_popescu: and the devils, well, they don't fucking know which side their head faces. i mean, nevermind the "oh, we're the legal system of cluelessness". dja realise i personally humiliated the european union delegation at bucharest (calling tiself "romanian government" for 0 rerasons) because ~they did not know how many heads of pigs lived on the land at given date~ ?
asciilifeform: i mean, we do have these in usa, can call'em 'budget model' criminals, they have money for the toy pistol with which to hold up bank, but not for the getaway car; for the 'carding' dataset but not for the ticket to iran; etc
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the vory, they're so fucking indolent as described.
mircea_popescu: so this is the tripartite system -- the mirvniki, iiincredibly fuycking insane. they dare all sorts of inconceivable out-of-line behaviour, because they really think they're protected by the lcd screen. got used to do this, eventually their brain rots, tyhey think they're safe. except of course if the reich comes asking for them to sign "confession". THEN they're affraid ; of that, yes. they push over like butter, as if the f
asciilifeform: i was waiting for the curtain call part of the story, with 'and what he did to the stoolie'
mircea_popescu: if i was doing this and someone did that, i'd fucking gut them, saw their children where their guts used to be and dumped them in assemblage in the sewage plant. but the ~most dangerous romanian criminal~, established the press, dun feel the need to bother.
mircea_popescu: and this idiot beyond what epithets can mark, this idiot kept losing girls. and he somehow explained this to himself as normal. if my engine loses oil i fucking have it checked by experts, this moron kept losing girls and thinking nothing of it.
mircea_popescu: some dumbass spanish redditard, yes, becuause who buys fucktickets from inept pigheads, some dumbass 45yo stackexchanger, expert sexchanger, some fucktard "computer engineer" DARED, not merely to steal the woman of a convicted murderer running a prostitution ring, but then not even go into hiding in fuckbumstan. no, he went with her ~to the fucking police~.
mircea_popescu: let me put this in words, if words will allow it.
asciilifeform: ... they picked him up for wrong colour of staples in passport, searched house, found gurl ?
mircea_popescu: n, not two, N! i don't even know HOW HIGH ABOVE A DOZEN!!! girls were... i'm not sure anyone is ready for this... they were rescued by customers.
mircea_popescu: this guy did not permit the girls to talk to one another. do you understand, to any degree, the sort of psychosis wilful people develop in prison ? he ran that operation as tight as fuck, not like he advertised for help on tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: now, tell me this : how was he convicted ?
mircea_popescu: because eurozone amirite, what are they for.
mircea_popescu: which is how he ended up with my people, i left sleepers to look for legal lulz for my own personal amusement. and it turned out that he ALSO had a large term in italy that neither the spanish nor the romanians even knew about.
mircea_popescu: he was convicted in spain, returned to romania, where also convicted, though it's not exactly clear if of same deeds (except at the getting girls, rather than selling fuck tickets end of it) or other deeds. he applied to court ot have punishments processed together,
mircea_popescu: he spent those 7 years building up a network inside the prison. he then got out, moved to spain, and started what's called "human trafficking". ie, he'd trick idiot girlies into coming over, chained them to a post and soldf fuck tickets.
mircea_popescu: here it is : he was convicted of a murder (the inept rural sort, ie, exactly what you say) many years ago. he got a term which turned to about 7 years.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's orig. argument, summarized : if bank cards used actual nonleaking rsa, and signed individual transactions under direct physical control of user -- there would be no 'carding'. qed. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://uploads.gazetadecluj.ro/gazcluj/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ion-clamparu.jpg << look at this ugly fuck. knowing he is known as "cap de porc" ie "pighead", tell me what he does for a living ?
asciilifeform: it exists to supply one of the pretexts for usg nationalization of banking infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i do not necessarily disagree with your theory. but let me walk you through a practical anecdote, so we understand the world better together, shall we ?
a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 01:00 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now all this withstanding, asciilifeform has a point in the following sense : if you constantly end up with stolen funds, something will ahve to be done about it -- and by you, as a sane fucking person. money transfers don't exist so idle fucktards can sit around on wealth they didn't work for, "oh, i wonder if i should do my homework or read up on carding forums".