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mp_en_viaje: i don't care what those people "want", or think they do -- they can't be part of btc because i say so.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb is more like kalashnikov than television set. i.e. can be made 'user friendly' only to a point.
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje in my case i'm talking about 50-60 years people that want to be part of BTC without messing technically. Like, i go to their premises, attach the ethernet cable and explain how to send/receive/backup and then flee
mp_en_viaje: i think you should put this in your offer / sales materials. proeminently.
asciilifeform: it's a notbad idea. BingoBoingo i think you already have the parts.
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, i was discussing your cut if you sell his.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess nothing like 2 bitcents, it ain't 2014 anymore.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess nothing like 2 bitcents, it ain
mp_en_viaje: a, i guess no treally, if she's already up to 580k
girlattorney: i also plan to sell them, because i have some people that i know irl that want their node but they do not want to wait 20 or 30 days
mp_en_viaje: i recall. but now there's actual demand, lol.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually suggested this, in '17
girlattorney: asciilifeform and for this reason i think that in a couple of years it won't have sense anymore doing a cold start
asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk) ☟︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje is satisfied that the "i'm 0 to a dozen or so blocks behind at all times, varying" is mostly due to scheduling issues related to the visor management of the vps and its resources.
girlattorney: i have a physical box, never said i was hosting. Just saying that if you want to move across the internet a synced node, today is a pain
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje ok, so i declare myself skilled!
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you should be able to self-voice now, btw, after i rated
mp_en_viaje: either you are skilled, or you aren't. if you aren't, buying the glasses i wore or the bed i fucked in won't do much for you.
girlattorney: asciilifeform in 14 i suppose that the blockchain was in the order of 10 GBs, very easy to move even with crappy WAN pipes
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i attempted to bake exactly such in '14 , but the iron wasn't there yet ( we got a large supply of certain arm box, but only 256MB of physical mem, and only ~then~ found that without a total rewrite, trb cannot be sat down in 256M or even 1G )
girlattorney: in a near future i think that it could have sense to have a TRB marketplace, where you can buy your ready-to-deploy box
asciilifeform: i.e. fleet of garbage nodes, set up on the cheap
girlattorney: @asciilifeform thanks for the info, i'll make my backup on tape before that event
asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my flagship trb box, i found that 1T samsung ('standard', rather than 'pro', not yet tested 'pro' series) ssd runs for just short of 2yrs prior to write cycle exhaustion
girlattorney: so i just used 2-3% life of the ssd, not a big issue (i'll only sync once hopefully)
asciilifeform: aa hrm i misread (still waking up), assumed she's on that luscious arm box.
girlattorney: well, i've used a 1TB consumer SSD to sync, rated for 200 TB written before die
asciilifeform: disable swap; i have found that on 2GB+ boxen trb , despite heavy mem fragging, will not overrun 2GB
girlattorney: if i do a df -h on my box i have also 270-280GB occupied, not 8TB ☟︎
girlattorney: asciilifeform i know, indeed is 280 GB, i was saying that the total write process from 0 to 584k is 8TB, i expressed myself badly
girlattorney: asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 11:27 girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes
mp_en_viaje: i c
girlattorney: @mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space ☟︎
girlattorney: i saw the rockchip, it was more expensive and i found these HC1s (a couple) used from a local guy that sold them to me at a price
girlattorney: it's an arm board with a sata slot, so i can attach a 1TB ssd and let TRB running for a couple of years
asciilifeform: (i.e. what you have.)
girlattorney: asciilifeform thanks, i'm going to search on logs if you haven't a direct link. The hc1 is 2gb indeed
asciilifeform: girlattorney: good news, long ago i fixed it so builds 100% clean on arm (32 and 64bit both)
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje i know a little bash, i used to compile bitcoin core until knowing TRB and my project would be to compile TRB for an arm board, to eat less energy than my PC (the ARM board would be an hardkernel Odroid hc1)
mp_en_viaje: top of chain is i ndeed 654.
girlattorney: i can use other source if there is another site more realiable
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also expect. and this is 'teachable moment' :
girlattorney: asciilifeform so: currently from this site https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 i see that the height is 585654. My node is at 585641
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i expect she's just comparing to blockchain.info or w/e other webwallet
girlattorney: I have little coding skills, but definitely is something that i'm willing to do when i learn to write in C
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 10:44 girlattorney: hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks
girlattorney: and last thing that i found a little annoying: no exportprivkey in any form, just dealing with wallet.dat to import/export private keys ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, i'm reading internet "science" : "If there were no Sun (or other external energy source) atmospheric temperature would approach absolute zero. As a result there would be almost no atmospheric pressure on any planet -> PV = nRT."
girlattorney: a very rich life i suppose (not my job, I have to deal with my ex's one)
girlattorney: thanks for the insight, i'm reading the log
mp_en_viaje: sion, demonstrating what the usg thought at the time a viable avenue of attack, that i had to spend an inordinate amt of slave time and assorted resources to bolt shut for them, and so following.)
girlattorney: btw i'm very grateful that still exist a client without segwit and without other useless crap. so glad to be able to almost sync it
girlattorney: tried to read them, but I haven't found a significant keyword to search with this specific topic.
girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: what do you call "a node" ? is it an ip-port combo ? you can trivially set up your own box to be two nodes in this sense ; i have boxes with a whole block c allocated, how would you know what's going on /
girlattorney: ok i'm gonna wait. I'm just interested in what happens with TRB nodes: with a public site that list public nodes (with 8333 port exposed, site is bitnodes dot something), i checked and it says that there are 8 TRB nodes.
mp_en_viaje: you'll need a rating from someone deedbot knows to be able to voice yourself ; it's inconvenient for me to give you one cuz im travelling ; but patience, i suspect someone else might in short order.
girlattorney: btw i noticed that trb only connects and fetch blocks from other trbs, so i don't get what happens with the other core nodes
girlattorney: i don't get why just the latest blocks are soooo slow to fetch
girlattorney: yes i've got that patch
girlattorney: hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks ☟︎
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: lolz; if I didn't get them out at 9, no chance now; neah, they are my sleep-deprivation indicator simply, lol
diana_coman: well, I'm "enjoying" tonsillitis, if that's any help
diana_coman: it sucks; because I suspect the most common questions will be the same and I'd very much prefer to point them to the log
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect ben is at sea or in orbit or somewhere, it took ~week iirc when i asked him to get #a logged also
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 14:19 diana_coman: ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922318 - this doesn't seem to work so I don't know who else - phf, trinque ? ☝︎
diana_coman: so uhm, who do I need to ask to actually get #ossasepia logged?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apol. for the comment spam, i misplaced a decimal point.
diana_coman: true; I'll wait for trinque to comment since it's his genesis
diana_coman: that was my initial expectation really but I suppose it's sheer size or something - the genesis is 4.6M as it is (ebuilds only)
diana_coman: trinque: from what I see though the genesis.vpatch is a snapshot of /cuntoo/portage dir *only* which means that the actual tarballs with the code are not included anyway - so basically it will still fail to find them as soon as whatever URI in the ebuild doesn't host them anymore, what am I missing? ☟︎
trinque: I'm sure it does feel like a bit of gruntwork, and yet, later you will always have that curl, and it will always build.
diana_coman: I don't know; the guys were also not keen on getting rid of garbage as maybe getting a bigger pile of garbage for themselves.
diana_coman: sounds quite close to the "making my own outsourcing comp" type I knew in Bucharest too: not keen as much on getting rid of garbage, as maybe riding it to "money"
diana_coman: the sort of "this is the frozen thing I'm using for lack of anything better" sig rather than "this thing I read and know inside out" sig
diana_coman: well, I just checked and I still have that ebuild on smg test so I'll do the dance with that; I suppose I might just as well sign it afterwards and that's that
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if you need specific tarball, i might have it
diana_coman: so now I suppose I'll have to grab the ebuild from smg test and use that, wtf
diana_coman: in other annoying stuff: apparently the mysql ebuild I forced into use on smg test server meanwhile vanished from gentoo repos to the extent that my shiny new cuntoo just can't find it??
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922408 <-- I was thinking about it along the lines of "I'ma emulate the trackback by manually editing the post". but I can see your point; I'll need to at least change the post structure of my blogotron so that comments and trackbacks go below, as a continuation of what was said inside the post itself. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/tlpimages/images/ << complete tlp article image list (temporary, ima take this down once i'm done, i intend to use better-same illustrations for his articles, what the fuck is this sad stamp)
mp_en_viaje: i guess that's prolly the best way to go.
mp_en_viaje: re tlp, also got the images ("Downloaded: 953 files, 30M in 7.0s (4.35 MB/s)"), and that's ~all im gonna get. dunno what to do with the material yet, maybe i start a tlp site review project.
mp_en_viaje: trackbacks offer you some measure of control over this "being drafted to vouch for others' idiocy" process ; because you can go check ; and if need be say "motherfucker, that's not what i'm saying at fucking all"
spyked: and in other short updates, I'm just back from a trip to maramures. I now have cca 10G of photos to sift through and some documenting/ranting work to do, gotta add it to the list.
spyked: re tlp: at some point /me found a torrent of the tlp archive, only to discover it was a microshit word document. it wasn't really salvageable, so I threw it out the window.
spyked: aite. hm. I guess for now I'ma have to backlink manually by editing the post.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, receiving trackbacks doesn't work yet, I have some scripts for sending them that I run once in a while. the plan is to make it a proper blog with comments and trackbacks, after I'm done stealing the cl www stack
mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-13 15:32 mp_en_viaje: and it's not about money, either, it's about everything. it's my experience (and for that matter all domain experience i know of, eg i bet diana_coman can readily confirm re "crystal space") that this approach is the principal driver of imperial complexityballs.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-13#1922372 - I can indeed confirm, yes. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: And I don't suppose they are getting stud fees from pimping out the cool males
BingoBoingo: I don't see it in their math either. Adding what they report for the meat gets it closer, but still not quite.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, maybe it's because i'm new at this whole math thing, but 246 / kg aka 246k / ton in no combination i can think of yields 1.2 millions out of the qtys described.
BingoBoingo: Here's a local WTF I had not known about https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-caviar-uruguayo-se-valoriza-y-la-industria-local-se-hace-fuerte-2019712194411
mp_en_viaje: and it's not about money, either, it's about everything. it's my experience (and for that matter all domain experience i know of, eg i bet diana_coman can readily confirm re "crystal space") that this approach is the principal driver of imperial complexityballs. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i recall this discussion back in the 2014 days, you were like "oh, still works for obscure error messages". stopped "working" even for that, huh.