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asciilifeform: spyked: this looks like classic gcc5ism
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It appears the crate will be arriving today
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 12 hours and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever get that crate ?
spyked: I'll also give it a shot on a machine with native gcc 4.9 (trying to do this in the weekend), to see if there's something wrong the system headers on the other one (so far this is the only guess I have re the failure)
spyked: hey, ave1! I gave http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ a run and I'm sad to report that it failed. attached a screenlog of the run at http://lmogo.xyz/randomio/gnat-musl-screenlog.0 (notice: file is ~5MB in size). unfortunately my hands are full now, so I've no time to dig further, but I'll provide any further info if you need.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in classic trilema, http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend
Mocky: I can make it post, then it will show on main page, and archive
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-23 05:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817605 << i think he might have stolen it WITHOUT PERMISSION
Mocky: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361703 << you weren't supposed to read that...
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-23 05:16 ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?
mircea_popescu: comparable to how copernicus needn't have been concerned re how the scholastics all agreed with themselves. of course they did, as part and parcel of what their cognitive system evben was, "consensus interpretations of aristotle".
mircea_popescu: except they're not 500 people in the first place, leave aside independent or intelligent. they're not even disjunct, they're just trying to monkey each other.
mircea_popescu: your objection pretends to feed itself from "oh, there are 500 people here, they're all independent, and disjunct, and intelligent, what are the odds NO ONE ELSE found magos edible ?!?!".
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 04:26 esthlos: trinque: I'm a geometer, always searching for higher symmetries, unifying disjoint worldviews
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817453 << it's not so hard to end up the only repository of truth in a consensus-seeking group. the only thing consensus-seeking does predictably and well is error. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 16:11 trinque: "(b) la infracción a los derechos de propiedad intelectual e industrial" << so no seedboxen eh?
mircea_popescu recommends it to hanbot 's eye also.
ben_vulpes: plans" should be, so look at pricing as well. if these rates are attractive to the market and we get out there and flog 'em i think there's some money to be made
ben_vulpes: landing pages and ad copy is not a gadget i know how to work, so let me know what you think. this also has what i think the "
ben_vulpes: lobbes, BingoBoingo (and mod6 and asciilifeform, mircea_popescu if he's inclined) here's a draft of the copy for the shared hosting landing page: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PcA2p/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: also much easier for user to interact with meaningfully, as the only way fs gets used up is by user personally putting something there ; whereas ram is eaten by 3rd party requests.
mircea_popescu: much easier to enforce.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-18 01:51 mircea_popescu: be sure to make a point of pointing out this is true allocated fs space, as most everyone sells a number but delivers a best effort
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is ram different from fs in the context of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-18#358183
mircea_popescu: it's the only amount of useful that makes sense. think about it : the whole point of the box is to pool resources. if you have 100 users and each can at all times use 1/100 of the ram you get much worse results than if there's 100 users and they can use whatever ram's available ; and if it gets too tight you start politely inviting the larger consumers to move up ion the world.
mircea_popescu: it basically makes sure you can always talk to the box, even if apache maxes out, you won't be locked out of using say ssh.
ben_vulpes: curious about how tractable, workable, and useful setting user-level memory limits on the shared hosting is.
mircea_popescu: or what are you trying to achieve here ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: check my understanding of a thing please: if apache runs its own php pool, then user-level cgroups won't affect how much ram apache eats while serving a user's php, right?
douchebag: Ahh I see, saw an article earlier and I've had a taste for wine ever since
ben_vulpes: on a scale of useless bullshit to practical for republican shared hosting, how useless are cgroups?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817605 << i think he might have stolen it WITHOUT PERMISSION ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not really ; i mostly keep up with the girls.
ben_vulpes: Mocky: why's that ada article not on the homepage of yer blog?
mod6: I gotta catch some zzz's, but I'll talk to you all in the AM. Night!
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:16 mircea_popescu: "so what's wrong with following social convention ? it has its uses, such as you know, the rote possibility of meaning in language" "sure. there's nothing wrong with following social convention. but there's plenty wrong with attempting to enforce it on unwilling participants. maybe they have good reasons they're not following it ~in that case~."
ben_vulpes: dooooon't care, just stoppit. spend more time watching and listening and learning the cultural norms and if you're going to deliberately not follow them then i'm interested in your good reason per http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361418
douchebag: Yeah, I'll definitely start using p.bvulpes.com more. It's just a bad habit because I use discord a lot where I can post multi-line messages & screenshots are automatically displayed to people.
ben_vulpes: which i can't even fathom dude because wtf you're willing to clutter up the logs with line after line of key noise and then otoh...screenshots
ben_vulpes: douchebag: yeah i'll drop the neg but you gotta work on picking up how shit works around here. the list of annoying crap you do is unenumerable but the two things that drive me personally up a wall are eg http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-23#361197 and then also posting screenshots of text
danielpbarron: that you care about your bad reputation goes a long way for me, but i can't say there is anything in particular you can do to remedy. if you don't do anything else annoying i'll prolly switch it to positive the next time i go through my ratings.
ben_vulpes: i read the logs, saw your ping.
ben_vulpes: not hassle me while i chew through my whiteboard
douchebag: ben_vulpes: Is there anything I can do to resolve my negrate?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am enjoying this pace!
ben_vulpes: mod6: belay that, read this http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uh7Xt/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: should prolly change the topic to "if you'd like to help see $X, if you'd like to sleep you're fucked."
mircea_popescu: except of course novels are "jim opened the door" not "fuck you and here's 5 centuries' worth of accumulated reference in an endless maze HAAHHA"
ben_vulpes: well he wasn't pimping, they were chained
mircea_popescu: 15k words since last night, are4 you fucking kidding me, everyone current is reading two novels / week. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for instance : given "he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard" the implicit read is "(he wondered why (the girlies (walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard)))" not "(he wondered why (the girlies walked to the station) and (didn't shoot the redditard))"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yer riddles are nphard, lol, require stepping through all possible mappings!111
ben_vulpes: i'm planning to die on stage soon, this is good practice.
mircea_popescu: ok sorry about that, took me a while.
ben_vulpes: the ho's are the pennies, the broker the redditard, mircea_popescu the pighead
mircea_popescu: ok, but how are the "rescued" hos figure into this ? why'd they shoot the random dweeb trying to convert them from honest workers into dependopopotami ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-22 19:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://uploads.gazetadecluj.ro/gazcluj/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ion-clamparu.jpg << look at this ugly fuck. knowing he is known as "cap de porc" ie "pighead", tell me what he does for a living ?
asciilifeform: i think he's bringing up the fella who failed to shoot aha
ben_vulpes: he wondered why the girlies walked to the station and didn't shoot the redditard
ben_vulpes: not just wonder why the pennies are walking to the station?!
mircea_popescu: being shaved a half penny by dishonest riding broker is not anywhere in "will arbitrage work or not work" risk table either ; but so help me i'llfucking shoot the one that tries.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738849 << i had entirely forgotten this, ty mircea_popescu ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fertile ground tho, no telling where the conversation might go.
asciilifeform: while i agree in re 'penny saved is penny earned', wr and wu fee diff does not rank 1st, or even 20th, in the expenses table
ben_vulpes: trinque: this, i press. and for reason.
trinque: the reluctance to have cash in pocket might abate with proper human lodgings
mircea_popescu: surety based on the fact that i now and again send girlies around the world various $nothings.
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure there's a bunch of wu/store credit cards for bitcoin outfits that actually work
ben_vulpes: i don't have notes on this, he may contradict, but that is my memory.
mircea_popescu: you asked them ?!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: objected to walking two grand usd over the the dc; shit was busy at the time and i didn't press.
mircea_popescu: wasn';t it a "$5 if up to 50 bux, $20 if up to 100 bux, $75 if up to 1k which is max" or somesuch ?
ben_vulpes: there's your 15 bucks of overhead for interacting with the fiat banking system.
ben_vulpes: no clawbacks on the wu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i thought wu was extortionate.
asciilifeform: here in this monkeystan, a wire costs fiddybux.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess a 5k ish wire is actually an "optimal" in the sense of "lowest worth actually wiring" amt.
asciilifeform: prices are published, how else, esp if selling, as we evidently must ( tho i muchly wish it werent so ) to heathendom
ben_vulpes: albeit one to western union for reasons of tax bracket.
ben_vulpes: yes they are possible, and to date have been firing in tandem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah i see whjat you mean now, i thought you meant you hate the idea hitler can see pizarro-set price and ride.
ben_vulpes: now now, i dislike the extra wire fees and coordination overhead trinque .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun like that it's tied to goxes, not the fact that it's public
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the wu
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and then dc pays bingo his food allotment in cash from the extra?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you wire to the dc acct neh ?
asciilifeform: and trades on it
mircea_popescu: buit sure, you can limit the visibility to arbitrary set, say l1, and ask thjem to nda, if you must.
ben_vulpes: iirc the stumbling block to a single transaction is that we want to avoid pushing BingoBoingo's local account over the minimum tax line. with i think the local equiv. of an llc BingoBoingo can receive money and it won't count as his income until it hits his account.
asciilifeform: he sets it openly. just , today he knows tomorrow's rate
mircea_popescu: " hitler gets to set the exch rate"
mircea_popescu: you understand, there's a list of impossible economic objects, yes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there is no possibility of secret pricing.
ben_vulpes: needs a wire and a WU-gram; and speaking of, BingoBoingo anything to report on the .uy corp formation front? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: trinque: it's about 5kusd/mo, will go up somewhat in the near future
asciilifeform: but otoh the time for stalin's ruble peg prolly hasnt come quite yet.
asciilifeform: it irritates asciilifeform that hitler gets to set the exch rate, by way of goxes, and ride the waves
mircea_popescu: though i'm guessing pizarro might actually prefer monthly rather than weekly fixings
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 11:26 mircea_popescu: every fixing day (arbitrary day of week we choose), tmsr.isp lists the TOTAL it has to pay, and makes a bitcoin/usd offer. it can be arbitrarily anything, but in practice it'll be the output of !~ticker --market all Volume-weighted last average: bit (which is fucking ridiculous already, we're tracking bitfinex who the fuck came up with this) or else whatever rate whatever exchange the isp uses.