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mircea_popescu: "i've never observed these things show up regularly on a monthly schedule befoar"

mircea_popescu: ~like "hey, my electricity bill came thursday, i had no idea monday this might occur"

mircea_popescu: i dunno what he was paying, something steam or whatever

asciilifeform: i dun even play, and i cringe.

asciilifeform: they, what, search google for 'i'm out of gamez, i need a game' ?

mircea_popescu: the one time when "has Latin", that, specifically, not "can write" or other junk would have served as you wish it to serve, was cca 500 ad. and at that time it served like "knowing idish" served you in the new york harbor cca early 1900s. plenty of people were there because specifically "Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenti

asciilifeform: i recall a very recent post re some derp who had to be formally drummed out on account of persistent idiocy

asciilifeform: i have not been tuned in.. mircea_popescu, how is the experiment in driving all-comers to pgp coming along ?

a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:48 diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess

mircea_popescu: even then i'd still have had to ask "but do you know voltaire" and gut them if not.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473670 << this is a fallacy of the first order. it could be presumed to come from some sort of cleric, who could be presumed to be some sort of transposition of that horror which today i call a nigger. i see no benefit accruing to me on this score for going back to 1850 or 1650. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ << check it out, i found it.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 00:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.

asciilifeform: relatedly, i can see ( re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473848 ) the argument. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473666 << eh you kidding, i'm the nicest guy there is. ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha, every literate man's skull i think

asciilifeform: i'd idly like to know if anyone is using the laser separator.

mircea_popescu: india i have nfi, possibly brits gave them.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:42 asciilifeform: i wish this were not so

asciilifeform: they had working nukes when i was a boy.

asciilifeform: as a boy i always imagined that chinese parade includes blokes carrying little stools from which they will - together, and seismically calamitously - jump !

mircea_popescu: nope. they actually (from what i hear) make pools and pick which to run

asciilifeform: i bet the chinese don't even have to drive the same rocket around a corner 10 times.

asciilifeform: in related nyooz i saw what passes for an american military parade today

mircea_popescu: when healthy i'm in more of a scholarly form i guess.

mircea_popescu: i have nfi dude, i've never been this sick in my life.

asciilifeform: i can tell he is throwing things.

mircea_popescu: there'd better be tits bouncing there i'm in a mood foul as hell

shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1464656413624.webm

mircea_popescu: i am not convinced there's twenty people alive who know what a number is altogether, prime or not.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not going to import as much as a nail's dirt worth of old crap, even for all the vases in the world, be they made of glass bead or kidney stone.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473835 << i'ma have to reread the original mircea_popescu-vs-locklin thing aren't i. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473834 << eh hey i get it, sure, mircea_popescu is odoacer, and doesn't give half a rat's arse if anybody ever builds another aqueduct or blows a glass vase, esp not if it's a stinking dickless city-dwellin' pedo, etc. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473623 <<< i guess ima have to translate that caragiale piece, it's very much apropos. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473619 << i think you have a very naive view on the matter driven perhaps by the narrow point of the samizdat experience. this was never the case, to this date most apocrypha problems are not in fact solved. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: oops i mean diana_coman

mircea_popescu: cue mp saying there's no bitcoin price signal i guess.

mircea_popescu: curious if i manage to get two idiots to delete their blogs the same day.

asciilifeform: i do have the keys to a place with a rack, but it has own problems (no cooling in the summer on weekends and roof has been known to leak...)

asciilifeform: phf: i live in tiny overpriced house thing.

asciilifeform: i haven't the provisions for cooling or noise isolation.

asciilifeform: i would already have built 10 if i had where to put.

asciilifeform dun look at me, i have nuffin'!111

mircea_popescu: (and yes i do think you people are ~idiots for keeping chattels there, exactly for the reasons and exactly to the degree i think jews moving around berlin in the 30s with golden whatevers on their person, such as teeth, idiots.)

mircea_popescu: phf i'm not entirely sure i wish to risk that much in property behind enemy lines, but i guess if one musts...

asciilifeform: i don't expect to find a massively improved commercial server anywhere, for the reasons mircea_popescu described.

mircea_popescu: even more alternatively, if you're just about ready to move out of nato and place a rack in your own basement i'm definitely just about ready to ship you the server in question. have been for a while nao.

asciilifeform: i have nfi, for instance, what - if anything - was removed from, or added to, db

asciilifeform: it is the principle of the matter, i have nfi who did what to the disk while it was off.

mircea_popescu: anyway - since i recall you itching to do it throughout the YEAR LONG outage, which in my best business judgement is not fucking acceptable, suppose you find a server, and once (and only once) you're satisfied it entirely meets your specs we move over ?

asciilifeform: i recall.

asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi

mircea_popescu: i judge the move to have been preeeetty boneheaded the last time around.

mircea_popescu: ah. lol. so i guess i write to host warning that if this happens again they lose the contract,

asciilifeform: i only got 1

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i forget which one is dulap ?

phf: i just remember it being outrageous

phf: apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago ☟︎

asciilifeform: my neighbour owns a boat that, i think, has not felt the sea water in decades.

asciilifeform: i wonder why they even bother putting in the text

phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read ☟︎

asciilifeform: and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away ☟︎

asciilifeform: (i have both types here)

asciilifeform: lulzily, i was quite disappointed with the switches.

asciilifeform: but against the jwzs, the 'i just wanted to's, the amulet-peddlers.

phf: the way i understood that old books thread is that there's no focus on building libraries, i.e. old books as an accumulation of artifacts, but where you get your own knowledge is up to you. so if ascii is keeping a collection of scanz and gives me a copy, it's both purely between us and also about ~my~ education as a cause of ascii's action

asciilifeform: (i will not dignify american school, where i went, with word 'education'. it is more of a kind of prison. where, yes, you can perhaps find the time to read books. but it is not why you are in the prison)

asciilifeform: i.e. what my brother went to.

diana_coman: I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;

asciilifeform: diana_coman: mircea_popescu and i had this wild thread where he actually pissed on the old books directly

diana_coman: I think rats will also find it increasingly hard economically to do much on the net

diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess ☟︎

diana_coman: like any sane person I suppose

asciilifeform: and i have similar barbed wire in my head.

diana_coman: uhm, I found tons of shit on old pages too, maybe I just read too much through my grand parents' old books or something

asciilifeform: to clarify, i am not 'in love with paper' so much as with 'paper whose untampered age i can smell with my nose'

asciilifeform: i wish this were not so ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats

diana_coman: I mean: if I choose to write on paper because I like it or whatever I'm in love with paper, fine; but if I do it because of rats than all is lost already

diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats ☟︎

diana_coman: well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such

diana_coman: in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay

asciilifeform: but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture ☟︎☟︎

diana_coman: to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that

asciilifeform: long ago i wrote an article re the undisputably higher quality of hardware products vs software, on account of the impossibility of patching hardware

diana_coman: well, that's already going into the reason why books are dead, so in any case you accept then that yes, books certainly ARE dead and that was the original point of the article as I read it really

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am most sympathetic to precisely the 'anyone-can-print killed the book' argument.

diana_coman: I think I took it also very literally at that time (and myeah, I was *very* fond of books)

diana_coman: hm, don't know; fwiw I was (I think it's still there even) arguing against the original article in Romanian along your current lines really

diana_coman: hm, I think the point was that *content* of books worth saving is saved through inclusion/discussion on blogs

asciilifeform: clearly i do not properly apprehend this particular greek yet.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 10:58 mircea_popescu: somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473550 << i'ma fix this in next rev. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not one to normate the pleasures of others. if you're happy with her, who cares she died a while ago.

mircea_popescu: i suppose you just favour peculiar brands of necrophillia

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose we have differing notions of alive?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473558 << i just now finished reading this and did not find the books-are-dead thing inside! i am disappoint!111 ☝︎

BingoBoingo: Selection https://i.imgur.com/czUw8iF.jpg