asciilifeform: and also not very useful without a secret (uci!11) net of proxies

asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho it is tricky: you can't simply 'curl' or 'wget', gotta somehow render crapolade if caching heathen sites

asciilifeform: bullet.

asciilifeform: it is a little bit like saying 'if nsa finds algo that breaks 70% of ecdsa keyspace, the remainder is still ok and 30% of bitcoin addrs will remain safe, bitcoin lives on'

asciilifeform: but this is dubious imho.

asciilifeform: the traditional notion is 'ecdsa breaks ? folx who have hash-only outputs can simply use them as lamport signatures'

asciilifeform: just not with same end of the dildo

asciilifeform: ftr i disagree, it'll fuck everyone who is sitting on bitcoin

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the traditional explanation is, 'ecdsa break fucks people with known pubkeys, but not those for whom only hash is known'

asciilifeform: *maimed

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: see also everett...

asciilifeform: in reality, you're either mained/killed , or not.

asciilifeform: what i mean is, 'risk' is an item just like, e.g., negative integers

asciilifeform: if bee could 'hamsterize' like a human coward, would think same thought

asciilifeform: the risk taken by soldier is just as imaginary an object.

asciilifeform: embrasure-plugger ~= bee

asciilifeform: people ain't entirely not-bees, noose at eleven.

asciilifeform: aah

asciilifeform: not the risk-taking.

asciilifeform: problem is the modern 'everybody's a winner' nonsense.

asciilifeform: that ain't a problem. it's how the poison cherries get tasted, oceans -- explored, embrasures -- plugged

asciilifeform: naggum had interesting piece re subj, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html

asciilifeform: and collegues'wifefucking

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: Framedragger: feynman was a ~theorist~

asciilifeform: if you cannot see this -- i cannot help. willful blindness.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: the entire purpose of that paper is to pour cement over phuctor.

asciilifeform: or the xray-from-scotchtape thing. (minor find, but exemplary of 'ru untermenschen can be safely stolen from')

asciilifeform: i had nfi that this was a deep and difficult hurdle for anybody here.

asciilifeform: no data -- not research.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: unless you are in academia racket yourself, and get paid to participate in the idiot kakubi where 'i'll pretend your crapola has relation to reality, you -- pretend that mine does' -- you can safely ignore such 'research', yes

asciilifeform: or suppose asciilifeform threw his priv p,q to the crowd at his hanging. then henninger goes to another town , where they have nfi, and 'hey folx!! i broke this evildoer's rsa key!!! with new! algo'

asciilifeform: period.

asciilifeform: not replicable --> hokum.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is why we fight.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: yes!!

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: as in, replicability.

asciilifeform: it is in terms of fucking ~publication of data~

asciilifeform: Framedragger: are you familiar with what henninger et al claim to have done vs what they actually made public ?

asciilifeform: if you don't maintain the chain.

asciilifeform: thing very quickly degenerates into gaggle of charlatans each of whom goes to look for who will believe him that 'i! i! invented the integral calculus!!!'

asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's old piece, 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are' ☟︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: and enabling, is not despicable?

asciilifeform: Framedragger: the next act of the opera ( which we've already watched a few times ) is the chorus of seekoority bloggers etc going on and on re the 'discovery'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is more than one way to steal.

asciilifeform suspects that it'll end the same way as all of the other cases

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd include the 'why'

asciilifeform: boeck aha

asciilifeform: i in fact did 'write to their ml', review what came of it.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: do you recall the seclist thread ?

asciilifeform: years of this nonsense.

asciilifeform: and various media folx ( the risky.biz people, i wrote to several times also , for instance. 0 reply. )

asciilifeform: this defense is simply not available, Framedragger , 'we didn't know'.

asciilifeform: they ~know~

asciilifeform: and to others.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i wrote to, e.g., bernstein, more than once.

asciilifeform: long keyid.

asciilifeform: so nope, nice try.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: tall order, it gets crawled every 3 sec. and is ~top hit for, e.g., ~every pgp keyid on the planet.

asciilifeform: the 'nothing to see here, move along, it was all this one d00d with broken key gen' aspect is also lulzy.

asciilifeform: in https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/pdf/anomalous-tor-keys.pdf .

asciilifeform: 'Related Work'

asciilifeform: Section 3 , Framedragger

asciilifeform: studiously ignoring the years in between. because they contain -- solely -- phuctor.

asciilifeform: to another similar derp in 2016

asciilifeform: goes straight from heninger, who, while a hot chick, never published the actual data !

asciilifeform: Framedragger: section 3 in entirety

asciilifeform: ~euclid~ originated 'the idea'

asciilifeform: two separate frauds here

asciilifeform: ignoring 5 yrs of prior art will get you nailed in patent court, but in 'academia' it is apparently quite all right, so log as it is 'terrorist' prior art

asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read the quoted bit ?

asciilifeform: 'let no one else's work evade! your eyes!!11'

asciilifeform sings tom lehrer's 'Plagiarize!'

asciilifeform: ( goes straight from heninger etc 'Most recently, in 2016, Hastings et al. [3] revisited the problem of weak keys and investigated how many such keys were still on the Internet four years after the initial studies. ' )

asciilifeform: ( in unrelated lulz, https://nymity.ch/anomalous-tor-keys/ << guess who not cited!111 )

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: afaik.

asciilifeform: i can only describe the known cuts here. it's this, or live with no-sane-index and geometric-grinds-to-a-halt.

asciilifeform: tru!!

asciilifeform: even though shitoshi, through having been dropped as a child, theoretically permitted it.

asciilifeform: i propose a declaration of 'tx replacement is an attack against sane bitcoin and whoever does it, is the forker, and not us, who thereafter ban it in trb and subsequent proggies.'

asciilifeform: shitoshi's tx format still uses only txid.

asciilifeform: see the difference though ?

asciilifeform: for ~internal~ index

asciilifeform: tx replacement , and the mere contemplation of 'pruning', are a carefully crafted enemy rot weapon.

asciilifeform: thing is, there is NO sane (i.e. o(1)) way to index without demanding unique global txid. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( per http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=wires_rev1#0968 , and last thread re same )

asciilifeform: it worx internally (in e.g., nqb) but the mere fact of tx replacement idiocy being supported in shitoshi's turd, means that a tx is not, in principle, self-contained, can mean entirely different movement if meanwhile its txid got recycled

asciilifeform still brainmelting over the 'txid is not unique' horrors

asciilifeform: not outside block header, nope

asciilifeform: this is not equivalent to 'you need a block hash to form a tx'. in point of fact you do not .

asciilifeform: or goats.jpg's hash

asciilifeform: but how does this 'need genesis block' ? yes it's a miner puzzle that uses genesis block as key. it could have just as easily used bible as key.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aah i was looking at output, you have he input , yes

asciilifeform: linked last mo rather

asciilifeform: iirc that was from the tardstalk thread last month

asciilifeform: the scripttron offers no such knob as 'gimme a block hash', not in satoshi's thing