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mircea_popescu: looky, the question is a) entirely unrelated to the discussion and b) not substantially different from "what should the senior washington official stabbed to death have done".
asciilifeform: but you gotta remember that fella is old enough that it was not yet a mousetrap when he made the commitment.
mircea_popescu: the word doesn't exist in english, but it's a "filosofie a ratarii", a fuckup's mindset.
mircea_popescu: and consequently, it becomes less a matter of "how my cryustals grow" and more a mattrer of "let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things for humanatee".
mircea_popescu: they all without exception stem from inflated vanity, which is to say a contradiction between the individual's own sense of worth and the apparent or discerned valuation by "society", somehow defined.
mircea_popescu: there's more to that "adolescent business fantasy" than just that, money. there's also an "imaginary womenz and sexings" thing ; there's also a "great ideas in my great idea binder" etc.
asciilifeform: ... perhaps ~some~ idea, see the adelberger thread, he wanted a formal capitulation from the enemy, and knew that he would never get it
asciilifeform: climber also has to not be a quadriplegic.
asciilifeform: schwartz had a very plausible recipe for room-temperature supercon, for instance.
mircea_popescu: i admit to being a very short physicist, theoretical or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: eventually this stair that was "accidentally made" by "rocks falling" will show a step that's you know, higher than 6 inches tall.
mircea_popescu: (of all the perverse reasons to consider the whole adventure is a set-up, such as, look how convenient that it so happens water is a) universal solvent ; b) very high caloric capacity - life'd be not quite possible without either, nor is there good reason for them to match up, not anymore than for the euler equation at any rate : the science progression is one of the best
mircea_popescu: in point of fact we're flat against a tall stair, and so i don't expect much either way.
asciilifeform: over as pretty much anything but a money sink.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even the first to observe this, by a good century.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may - physics as a romantic endeavour is, and has been over.
asciilifeform: didn't we just have a thread re this phenomenon ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. dunno that the us is a significant actor in physics, or in general any science these days. they withdrew to "engineering" in the 70s, and then moved on to wtf they do now, "Social sciences", gave the engineering to the azns.
asciilifeform: a theorist's productive life is ~over at 40.
trinque: which is why politics in the broadest sense is a more fundamental human problem than "physics"
asciilifeform: or show me the fella who built a 'ligo' with own billion.
mircea_popescu: so then it IS a parochial argument to ignorance, "but mp, i can't see my spleen!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bacon was born rich. no good ? de broglie was actually a duke. etc.
trinque: right. entirely separate consideration from whether a physicist needs fuel to do his physics
asciilifeform: fwiw i personally have never met anyone worth talking to who inherited anything bigger than a library. but then again i prolly dun count as 'person' in mircea_popescu's radar.
mircea_popescu: you sex through finding a warm, wet hole to stick penis into. no, penis on its own not sufficient. no, hole by itself dun work. etc.
asciilifeform: you also dun just person because your father left behind a bag of dubloons for you to drink through.
mircea_popescu: want to be a person, get teh monyz first. then YOUR SON can be a person in your stead.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure for every machiavelli that did find ink and paper, a hundred didn't. this has very little to do with anything.
asciilifeform: adelberger: 'you ain't doing physics unless i give you a few hours on this here machine. and i ain't gonna.'
asciilifeform: space vehicles were a comparatively harmless waste
mircea_popescu: there is no option here. the eu has a budget, which it has taxed. it has to be spent. if it's not spent, recession, and much like a car that has been accelerated to the point where it either continues, or crashes horribly, they have to keep going. if recession, the whole "modern democracy" nonsense comes unglued.
asciilifeform: except that, post-sov-collapse, there is never a WHOLLY DIFFERENT set of people to verify the first.
mircea_popescu: well also quite not so cogent a consideration.
mircea_popescu: understandably, it cost a little more than what a us state is worth.
mircea_popescu: but we're not discussing here some sort of novel or unknown item. it's a cyclotron, like 1000s of others extant, only as large as a us state.
mircea_popescu: it's a cyclotron dude. so much a technical item as your toaster.
asciilifeform: it is not land, but a statue of idiot emperor, with little wings.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental property of ... property, as a construct, is that it is ALWAYS separable from the real estate.
mircea_popescu: such is life, but the berylium bed is STILL required if you're gonna use a reflector.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure people had to sign all sorts of spurious crap in order to give themselves a nice tan in the berylium bed.
mircea_popescu: is your entire objection to be reduced to "for shame the eu billions went to a comission, they should have just given the moneyt directly as personal gifts to science heros"?
mircea_popescu: "i need someone ELSE to GIVE me a million" is the very definition of a kid.
mircea_popescu: mno. the wet dream of every kid with a superman delusion that was recast into "science genius" rather than shed is that hey, he shall FIGHT CRIME ^H^H^H i mean DISCOVER SCIENCE.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being that it didn't cost a million in his day.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501221 << the fundamental reason being, that the forest has been hunted bare, then cut down. this idealistic "i shall make physics discovery without refined tools" yields exactly sovietisms a la "aggregated water" and "Lysenko's hardy winter crops" ☝︎
asciilifeform: (getting away with USING it against a holy slum bunny is another matter)
phf: asciilifeform: there's a wide range of socially clued people from mircea_popescu to asciilifeform. you don't have to go all maxint to assume that something will fly
mircea_popescu: oh, recall the case of the saudi that "fell" on a naked 17yo girl whose friend was spending the night ?
asciilifeform: much less taking him to a court.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his point, that you may well obtain a courtesy earldom from minor german prince and have france court respect this stands.
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there are options. i know security guys that have concealed caries in DC, you have to demonstrate that you've been repeatedly assaulted (or i assume if you're going through agency) that you're in immediate danger of assault, etc. a random mall derp's not going to get it, but a freelance security can
mircea_popescu: this is kinda too subtle a point.
asciilifeform: for a whole generation.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't see a problem with people doing it that way. that solution came up when i was trying to figure out how to get a concealed cary in DC. but i suspect your problem is going to be not just finding everyone on the books in various smalltowns, TX, but also discovering their real current home address
mircea_popescu: lemay, since mentioned, fully understood this. iirc he made a comment that if the us lost the war, he'd have fully expected being hanged for war crimes.
mircea_popescu: hitchens was also a derp, from day 0. what now.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:48 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501267 << nominally who-is-a-deputy is public record, neh? could make a list of these, like mats made of faux judges ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501203 << actually, he got a nobel prize for ENDING that ; also came up with the "gender war" quote. ☝︎
asciilifeform: how much a senator costs
mircea_popescu: whence am i a senator ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is like asking 'how much for a senator'
mircea_popescu: phf not a bad plan.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 15:09 mircea_popescu: for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he, like we, lived in a zombie wave time. you also "left more broken code than you found". so now you're a code criminal ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:05 asciilifeform: and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?
asciilifeform: the popular portrayal of war crime is perverse: it is not cruel to ~the dead~, killing folx ain't such a cruel thing to do ~to them~, vs some of the alternatives. it is atrocity against the ~surviving~
mircea_popescu: the khmer blacks/green/whatever i dun have a problem with.
mircea_popescu: for instance, my objection to the khmer rouge was their being commies, not their butchering a billion idiots per se.
asciilifeform: y'know, in every army in the world, fella who is a liability to whatever he touches, quietly catches bullet from own side
mircea_popescu: shirt matters a whole lot and not much matters besides.
asciilifeform: does it matter what shirt a habitual setter of forest fires wears ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kissinger is in my (very extended) wot. bahamas is a libertard.
asciilifeform: the ants took a vote. it was decided that it shall be eaten by ants.
asciilifeform: in the forest, there once died a caterpillar;
a111: Logged on 2014-07-27 19:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
asciilifeform: which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate ☟︎
asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'But what Louis Wolfson will always be remembered for is bribing the only Supreme Court Justice ever forced to resign in disgrace, “Dishonest Abe” Fortas. Fortas began taking bribes from Wolfson, in 1969, at a time when Wolfson had already been convicted of securities manipulation.' << lulzy
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. k, true that. and what with my home country being a usg bitch, i recall my high school's history teacher (who also was its director) being basically in love with kissinger, quoting him left and right and openly admiring him - incl. his person, i think. wonder if he still does the same. ah, good times..
asciilifeform: so ^ new 'diebold', just like there is no longer a 'blackwater' but some ??? (i have nfi what the latest name is.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, 'More than 600,000 of the 1.8 million votes in last week’s New York Democratic primary were cast and counted on voting machines belonging to an “election services” company with a long criminal history and a rap sheet an arm long. Today it’s called Dominion Voting Systems. In last week’s primary in New York, Dominion controlled one-third of all votes cast in the state ... The company controls roughly the same perc
asciilifeform: and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all i see is hilary duff, with a smattering of hilary hahn, whatever that is. my google ain't heard of clinton.
asciilifeform: if foot bridge - takes a little effort
asciilifeform: if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is sorta like asking 'how hard is it to build a bridge'
asciilifeform: my boss and cellmate, at godforsaken rupturefarms, was a licensed priest with something called 'universal life church'
mircea_popescu: "only a rapist if he's poor"
asciilifeform: ^ 'Ban Ki-moon publicly acknowledged Thursday that he removed the Saudi-led coalition currently bombing Yemen from a blacklist of child killers — 72 hours after it was published — due to a financial threat to defund United Nations programs.' << lel
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The League of Nations, The United Nations, and the myth of collective security. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/11/the-league-of-nations-the-united-nations-and-the-myth-of-collective-security/
asciilifeform: it isn't a case of 'nobody'd dare' but of 'can't swat every fly'
asciilifeform: there was a queue of 1,001 of them.
mircea_popescu: whether this is a drawback or not remains undecided.
mircea_popescu: and judging by the mussolini-cuccia exchange, it's not a unique experience either.