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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854224 << i don't think it is. ☝︎☟︎
diana_coman: isn't this something more for next step at data analysis? (i.e. minus the two logs and highlight missing stuff)
asciilifeform: afaik if it doesn't show up in a sec or so, it's gone
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you set it display the ones that ~didn't~ make it
asciilifeform: btw i'd like to share an old asciilifeform algo; not sure if directly applicable to diana_coman's proggy, but may come in handy: for synchronous packetron. to determine when to resend a packet, you wait time T; T is initially a pessimistic value, e.g. 800 msec; but once you start getting responses, you set it at all times to the ~minimal~ response delay observed thus far. and if reply wait exceeds T, you resend & restart the clock.
diana_coman: mod6, as far as I can tell they got lost in transit but I don't know *how close* to the machine itself (this UK machine is behind a router, I've set up port forwarding for it); basically atm the UK->UY vs UY->UK is pretty much client->server vs server-> client communication
mod6: the missing ones didn't hit the interface either? i.e. they were lost in transit, not once they hit your interface?
diana_coman: logically speaking, one wouldn't expect them to be, no; the foggiest part atm for me is that interval from ~512 up to ~1500
diana_coman: the last column in the receiver log is now a count of payload octets that are different from what is expected - if any such octets are observed, the receiver will log now their actual position + value in a different log file; so far I haven't seen any error of this type
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 09:06 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and no, most boxes speak 1mn:1 more to the net than to me. and if this weren't the case, i wouldn't keep 'em.
mircea_popescu: i... don't do that.
verisimilitude: I'm having issues on my Thinkpad with it. I didn't have all of the software installed here.
verisimilitude: If I don't get it before I run out of time again, I'll just do it later.
verisimilitude: Well, it probably wouldn't be this long if I really had to give it that much thought.
verisimilitude: I'll try, but I can't make any promises.
asciilifeform: ( don't lose the key )
verisimilitude: Oh; I don't have PGP on the Yeeloong; oh well.
verisimilitude: Freenode would really be fine with me, if it didn't block Tor.
asciilifeform: i recommend to reg key, won't repeat again.
verisimilitude: I take it ``unbuilt'' isn't code for ``broken''.
verisimilitude: I didn't even pay $400 for it.
asciilifeform: so, you won't be running emacs on it, no.
mircea_popescu: is your idea drivers won't link against 2 line kernel ?
mircea_popescu: i don't want losing rk, wut.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be opposed to at least attempting to backport 3.x driverola to 2.6
verisimilitude: I wasn't familiar with that, no, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
verisimilitude: That's just to make certain I don't start out confused.
verisimilitude: I haven't done that yet, though.
verisimilitude: I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even object to cementing a 3.x, supposing i had a working one for rk
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 20:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise it is discarded. B.T may be pruned (according to arbitrary address list, for instance). Rate limiting in TRB.N may be constructed to observe N.B items that fail to propagate to B.B and ban the originating peers.
mircea_popescu: infuriatingly enough, i can't find it now. but the discussion was exactly along the same lines, "add user-configurable penalty for communicating shitblocks (any block that isn't the one you were looking for) and any other misbehaviour ; and used-configurable bonus for communicating useful things ; then user-configurable knob for lowest-tolerable-score and ban peers who fall under"
mircea_popescu: but in order for it to work -- yes very much need nodes that don't misbehave.
mircea_popescu: no, recall, was an economic solution, "if node doesn't pay its way it's kicked"
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the other half -- need to bake trb nodes that won't get insta-banned by wot-trb on sight because they spew garbage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.. the amazing thing isn't that 'x,y,z are broken' but that any part still worx..
mircea_popescu: well, this has been a productive discussion, hasn't it.
mircea_popescu: i really didn't think it through, wtf is this 28355, 52181, 2600, 7269, 16286, 47627, 36352, 53247, 24192, 63568 bullshit, no one with any sort of networking experience would expect this to go.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:50 diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't fathom why kernelism would want a 4.9 specifically
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's some % who actually endrivered various new iron. e.g. dulap kernel built for arm64 won't actually boot on rk, needs the little bit of chinesium ( i have it laid out, fwiw , mostly, specifically for when we pour cement )
mircea_popescu: can't help but like the soviet peons more than the usgistani zeks.
mircea_popescu: and the punishment for "what if i don't" is... "they will".
mircea_popescu: if you don't control your women, you're stuck making public laughingstocks of them. there's no "third way".
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. "oh, my fambly business is my own" "sure, it is. until it suddenly isn't."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing' << They don't want buying. See they only want to do the SELLING part.
BingoBoingo: Well, the Argentines also didn't acknowledge their poverty
Mocky: ahh, yes I've seen but didn't know who emits
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still << I don't expect the locals did anything at all Saturday/Sunday. No phone calls have been recieved yet. We still have more waiting time before panic time.
asciilifeform: according to the man pg, sento() block unless one were to set MSG_DONTWAIT ( and we didn't )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, but if one sends a burst of 4 packets , they can overflow that buffer and get dropped, don't they?
diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say that you're required/expected to actually go into some sort of "sponsor" relationship with a local fucktard.org. make-your-own sponsor, why not.
trinque: what I don't have a model for yet is the perma-stuck state
BingoBoingo: Makes the 20 years look easier doesn't it
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem of freebased i-cant-believe-hes-not-republican, or in asciilifeform 's parlance "partizans" : they have some complicated nonsense about "justifiable use of force" bla bla bla, can't simply bash in heads who "did nothing to you" etc.
mircea_popescu: somewhere someone (lafond maybe ?) explains the problem of "conservative" or "republican" or w/e, johnny cash style pantsuit fucktard, whereby he's "lawyering up" in his mind, and can't curbstomp nigger at first sign of potential disobedience. "oh, he just asked me the time FOR DIFFERENT REASONS ALTOGETHER, this isn't LEGITIMATE REASON to bas his skull in"
BingoBoingo: That's too be expected. At this point consider looking at what will be lucrative to bring, and try to find what simply isn't available there
Mocky: i guess you don't need to stack them
Mocky: don't get me wrong, i loved mine back in the day
Mocky: i haven't done trinitron in like 12 years.
BingoBoingo: What, after packing the courts and other appointables through 2019 old clown man isn't going to hammer the re-election?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who'd seriously claim fucking teen's offensive ; but i can certainly see the schadenfreunde.
asciilifeform: ( quite likely even what got him nominated for woodchipper, i can't picture anybody on either side giving half a shit re umpteenth micro-cnc )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean as in the guy took acting classes, Hollywood didn't call back, decided to do the irony schtick for a buck. Only sligtly less human view.
asciilifeform: the fundamental lul is that it is impossible to explain to such patient exactly why money printer spilled forth tonnes of luscious green for his predecessor but doesn't want to for him
mircea_popescu: "but teach, this is so unfair, those other guys didn't even do this much!" sorta complaints.
mircea_popescu: meh can't fucking find it. some pantsuit-in-alt-colors prop derping about how unfair it is that his followers don't follow, and how much he spent having a security detail to eat sushi
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "alt right" dorks have no genuine driver for community. the pedos gotta trade the pics, there's no way out of this, they'll commune. the "nazis" don't have the driver, which is why they don't manage to amount to much, and hence plaintive lulz all around.
mircea_popescu: speaking of monstrosities like http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#999165 -- i suppose the deep driver of their unhappiness is precisely this, "1990s pedos made wikipedia seem like it's a big deal, and 2000s pedos made reddit seem like it's a big deal. why can't we 2010s pedos make lesswrong/whatever pedo trading post seem like it's a big deal ?!!? god only knows we're the gays of a century ago, god-gifted with the only creativ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 19:31 phf: ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 20:53 mircea_popescu: also meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2009/il-stiti-pe-merkley/ : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018
mircea_popescu: somehow instagram doesn't feel obligated to always prefix anything they do or say with "you know, we're the shitty merkley??? clone" though.
mircea_popescu: also meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2009/il-stiti-pe-merkley/ : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018 ☟︎
phf: ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no, junkie is definitionally... actually, there's a great film, in which al pacino is "about to quit, he's jsut chippin' anyway" and his brother tells his gf he ain't chippin, he's a user.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta ask, how didja know they weren't fat accountants
mircea_popescu: a few retirees on evidently fixed incomes. i can't imagine who the fuck would let them in, they want to nurse a beer while some hottie holds their thigh, it looks WAY too much like retirement home services for comfort.
asciilifeform: i take it this wasn't in the anglo-greenzone, either ( why would mircea_popescu go there )
mircea_popescu: then, at the brothel, a hundred or so chicks you wouldn't fuck, on parade. "why is everyone here speaking english ?!"
mircea_popescu: more disinterested girls you never saw, even at starbucks ; eventually the pit boss had to send a couple of the perfunctory shitheads to sit at our table, whom i waved off to their great excitement (how wonderful! now we can just say we checked the tickbox and don't have to do anything! there's nothing anyone can do, we tried!).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only guess, the patients haven't bought that dinnerplate-sized ipnoje yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi. but if the problem isn't that the site's just broken, and cuts off subjects as a token of "great web ux", but rather they're just universally TOO FUCKING STUPID TO FLIP THEIR PHONES....
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fetlulz, i neartly fell out of my chair, because after roughly 5k complaints "i can't read the subject line", in came one saying "oh, wait, i flipped my phone over now i see it"
mircea_popescu: that's the amusing part of the human body : if you can tickle her, she's not aroused, same pathway serves both and it'd be blocked. lots and lots and LOTS of this multi-use, switched single wiring in the human body. as a for instance, the "not all that tingles" signal for "don't end up with a loser" and "not all that tingles" signal for "downregulate libido in general" is the same pathway in womenz.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:02 mircea_popescu: and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia)
mircea_popescu: and while this can be had in both moscow and cairo, it can't be fucking had in orcland. though she'll confusingly not call this, the only true subhumanity, "subhuman", more like "they're fuckingstupid, like children"
mircea_popescu: well... i dunno. she wants a tall blond white guy (arabs are short olive darkhaired) who can jump on a fleeing horse and drink with her (arabs can't drink) and gets fucking furious on a dime (arabs are much mellower, they get fucking enraged, but it takes them more than 800ms).
mircea_popescu: so no, i don't expect she'd easily manage a moscow-cairo resettlement on her own steam.
mircea_popescu: the former is how erudition without girlfriends is managed by the sort of people who "i spent 30 years in china still don't have local whores ready to be turned out for love".
mircea_popescu: is whether one does it to "it turns out i was right" or whether the one does it to "well, little wonder i lost myself, there wasn't much there to lose in the first place".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform her arabic is poor. they're not subhuman, they just don't know what she knows./
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the ovine set (because yes, every harem stratified, not "all womenz alike" http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852907 bs exists in there), so there IS a portion that can't think but breastfeed ok had 0 problem doing it right in front of me, evne though as much as walking into the girls' subway cart was a major big fucking deal. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: are stuck either b) joining a herd of similarly cunted followers of a great man or else c) convincingly telling themselves they don't have sexual parts.
mircea_popescu: foregoing leaving me with the conclusion that chicks who don't want to lindsey kuper / http://trilema.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/ (ie, be the house mother of a bunch of tards, either cockless males online or else dubious junkies offline)
mircea_popescu: and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They don't fire them anywhere near me. Further north and east recently they have gotten into at least one firefight according to the local papers, but hard tell what the police fired