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mircea_popescu: their lot is abstract nonsense, let them pass judgement on the pressing matter of how many angles fit on
a pinhead and such.
mircea_popescu: they do have
a point, euros can stand as no basis for resource allocation ; and the euro legal system has absolutely no business intervening in this sort of dispute.
shinohai: tardstalk looks like Filipinos came in and took
a giant sig-spam shit everywhere.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 19:22 asciilifeform: 'In
a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 17:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not
a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
Apocalyptic: for the lulz, the Angell guy that signed up sent me, I kid you not,
a copy/pasted code of
a public github repo which consisted of
a SAT-solver that doesn't even build
Apocalyptic: maybe it could be done for
a heavily round-reduced sha2
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: actually reading the satcoin link you provided I don't think it's
a worthy endeavour to explore anymore
Apocalyptic: and i'm comparing to
a single iteration of sha256()... so less moving parts
trinque: ben_vulpes: you'll be happy to know the thing both writes messages to
a table and reads messages to send from an outbound table
Apocalyptic: from the satcoin pape: "The implementation of the above program generates
a large CNF formula with about 250'000 variables and 850'000 clauses." I wonder how much lower these numbers would be for
a single iteration of sha256
jurov: but that is easy. producing
a code to correctly convert that to cnf is the problem
Apocalyptic: if you have
a prog to build the cnf for md5, you can build it for any similarly based hash function
jurov: i'm wondering how this is ever
a $100 project, too
trinque: old anyway, I'll let ya know when, and it'll be in the form of
a signed vpatch
ben_vulpes has
a fuzzy memory, is on the road though and not disposed to dig it up
trinque: asciilifeform: neat, have
a particular project you're going to mill?
mircea_popescu: it makes the shipwright
a shipwright rather than
a strange sort of shaman.
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just
a form.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger honestly, that it supports tor seems to me
a counter argument to using anything.
Framedragger: ah, actually freenode blocks connection eventually anyway since tor node in dnsbl and whatnot, so that's not
a good argument anyway i guess
trinque: mp's gnupg made it through, was
a couple megs
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 02:11 mod6: trinque: is there
a max length for deeds? (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large)
tb0t: <%
a|%add> <project> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
mod6: To me, this seems to satisfy the requirements we've been kicking around for
a while.
mircea_popescu: this is
a point - script should prolly check for local cache first
mod6: So i feel like it's one or the other. People need
a way to press one button and build -- not everyone is clued.
mod6: I tend to agree with you -- but i believe that the entire thing reduces to
a "downloader script" outside of V if I remove the mirrors part.
mod6: Yes, you believe that one should read and verify these vpatches on their own, place them in by what they say, and who wrote them. Instead of getting
a big ball of wax automatically.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 02:09 mod6:
a person wants to build, presumably with the makefiles, but could be
a build script... they pass the builder
a flag that says "get these deps for me automatically", at which time, it'll go and fetch the deed(s) and verify them, decode them, and place them in the correct place and continue building.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 02:06 mircea_popescu: (i'm not saying you're making
a mess, i'm just saying - we're stuck with all this grandfathered in bullshit, such as boost, openssh, who the fuck knows what else even. qt ffs.)
mod6: The thing is, they /are/ really
a part of trb itself.
mod6: this really leaves one last question that has to be thought through before we move on; Do we place the makefiles into trb's tree, or do we place them in their own tree? I've thought about this quite
a bit. And there are tradeoffs to both.
mod6: let's fast-forward for
a minute and pretend that your solution is implemented.
mod6: which isn't
a bad thing; i'd rather do it slow & careful, than fast and reckless.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> at least this'd allow some basis for proper management of this mess, rather than current adhocness << the nice part about the makefiles and your preposed solution is that we would finally have
a solution in place for all of this.
mod6: trinque: is there
a max length for deeds? (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large)
☟︎ mod6:
a person wants to build, presumably with the makefiles, but could be
a build script... they pass the builder
a flag that says "get these deps for me automatically", at which time, it'll go and fetch the deed(s) and verify them, decode them, and place them in the correct place and continue building.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (i'm not saying you're making
a mess, i'm just saying - we're stuck with all this grandfathered in bullshit, such as boost, openssh, who the fuck knows what else even. qt ffs.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: could have
a standard disclaimer up top, have it ignore #s or w/e.
mircea_popescu: what i'm thinking is : the binary/payload in question, base64'd, deedbotted, and the build script modified to take an optional parameter to "allow deedbot import from known signatures" and then it can have
a $ifdef for "buildoot"="deedbot.soandso"
mod6: So,
a clearsigned manifest that holds the URL and the SHA512 that I attest is correct then, deedbotted?
mod6: So was thinking
a clearsigned manifest could do the trick there.
mod6: I'm
a bit hesitant to "sign"
a file outright that I don't have carnal knowledge of -- say openssl - at least without
a disclaimer that says "I am only confirming the SHA512 of this artifact is ABCDEF1234... This does not mean that I have read that code and it ``fits in head''."
mod6: I could create
a clearsigned manifest that could reside on deedbot.org that could be also pulled down, verified and used.
mod6: If anyone wants to test this along with us, let me know. Will provide you
a link. Want to ensure that it works well before we deedbot the new build script.
mod6: so last week buildroot's site was down (for about
a day) and currently the dang sourceforge site doesn't seem to be allowing curl to grab the boost lib.
mod6: shinohai: hey thanks for giving that
a try!
BingoBoingo: I find it disturbing how many "people" out in the wild have no idea that natural gas piping is
a subset of plumbing
a111: Logged on 2016-07-14 00:24 mircea_popescu: if they had half
a brain they'd give up the pretense and go learn how to do plumbing or something useful more alligned with their intellectual capabilities.
mircea_popescu: teh lady doth protest too much, when the fuck did the "modern democracies" bloc turn into such
a fucking lapdog ?
mircea_popescu: sure, sure, and then microsoft can buy it for
a trillion and then etcetera.
mircea_popescu: if they had half
a brain they'd give up the pretense and go learn how to do plumbing or something useful more alligned with their intellectual capabilities.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's relatively few addresses actually in use, you can crack their hash in
a minute or two.
mircea_popescu: it's not even worth dignifying with
a mixing campaign.