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thestringpuller: what additional patches do i need to add?
mod6: i would try building with the latest and see.
thestringpuller: i built with stator ☟︎
thestringpuller: how can I output my current tree with v.pl?
thestringpuller: i'm not but it ~was~ working
mod6: thestringpuller: so, one thing i can tell for sure from your dpaste is that you're not running the latest trb tree.
shinohai: i just mean to me it makes no sense to include href as wordcount
mircea_popescu: i just mean, blue underlined text should be maybe 2-3-4 words not 20+
mircea_popescu: i thought wget was supposed to be FOR THIS.
mircea_popescu: i just noticed it doesn't grab files. wtf ?
mircea_popescu: oops. i mean... wget -mp is the correct format! who knew :p
asciilifeform: anyway i got a copy. for whoever needs later.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think that's a new record for time to qntra post being linked by another qntra post.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is anyone qntraing the guccifer thing ? speak now else i'm gonna << I'm going to sleep. If you qntra it I'll publish upon waking
mircea_popescu: is anyone qntraing the guccifer thing ? speak now else i'm gonna
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing this is good for fiat ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 01:28 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475432 << i've used it, and the wukix people are responsive to feature requests. i think the source is a fork of one of kyoto common lisp derivatives, probably akcl. fwiw it's the same lineage as gcl and ecl, so ascii's "why not compile ecl" is entirely reasonable
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i've been delinquent in my obligations, therefore i don't have them"
mircea_popescu: i guess the other point here is that no, the f-whatever ain't ever gonna fly.
mircea_popescu: btw, i think this is actually rather qntrable, if you feel like it.
ben_vulpes: i ain't even mad anymore, just amused, and pleased at how easily the whole thing should melt apart.
mircea_popescu: i guess the only way the tits are going over time is down.
mircea_popescu: i was discussing the sewage drains.
mircea_popescu: i doubt any of them was ever heard from again. but hey, sikrits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's dead so now they can convict him, i guess.
phf: i'm massaging them, i should be done within a month or so
mircea_popescu: shinohai the socialists (partido justicialista, kirschner's people) had been i npower for decades. the change to other group of thieves (the us-soviets, macri & co) was full of animosity as you'd expect, and now that they're in power the looting proceeds at a feverish pace.
asciilifeform: i remember when the ~whole www looked like this.
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "I manage 2nd level escalations for a call center. I've trained my team to identify this type of person, and intentionally give them an inconsequential fight before agreeing. It actually leads to faster time to resolution and something like a 10% reduction in overall handle time."
asciilifeform: i dun see the man as having even vague chance
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/EyHBLo.jpg
mircea_popescu: fuck i searched for the wrong thing o.O
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 17:27 mircea_popescu: "She does stink and she should quit. But I don't want it to be because of me. It should be the traditional route; years of rejections and failures till she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry."
asciilifeform: i can picture the letter, 'dear mr mcafee, would you rather be bound and gagged on next plane for orcland, or be TECH CEO!1111111111111'
BingoBoingo: I need to accomplish X. Tool Y weights Z and offers A mass of utility B and C mass of utility D.
BingoBoingo: That's kinda how I evaluate tools
Framedragger: unrelated, allele set usage in eulora? damn, looks like i *may* have to give that gay game a try
asciilifeform: (at which point i will set it to, what, 3h.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: incidentally how's the backlog of phuctor? i expect it's rather busy as it is..
Framedragger: "And we shall have our pound of flesh, of thy fair flesh, from closest to thy heart." << hah i like casual quotes of mr william
mircea_popescu: inspired by their "report to fbi" thing i just registered #offended
BingoBoingo: Victimhood jostling: "if you’re straight i really appreciate you uh, making posts about this and trying to raise awareness and give your 2 cents but please….. don’t? this isn’t about you or what you think and it’s making me really uncomfortable lmao please let us raise our voices, please share our posts instead of making your own. today isn’t a day for you to be reaching for ally points"
BingoBoingo: This is a serious bug in the Internet. I fixes oral history as printed text too soon.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno if the original was intended to be fiction, but this incremental rewriting is how the oral history passes
shinohai: kk, in retrospect i feel that BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: what if i do live in it and happily ?
mircea_popescu: i calculated digits of pi to be 3.879345839845
Framedragger: i don't know, but either (1) do not distinguish, or (2) use asciilifeform criterion, which i don't think to be circular, i.e. it's probably sound?
Framedragger: (ahahaha re bassett disaster.. yeah i would view 'cache' as an inevitable result of *constraints* (finite c).. i think it was a confusion of terms (spec / things that emerge from constraints), and i suppose the point of confusion itself is possibly an interesting object to discuss, etc)
asciilifeform: 'When I worked in South Baltimore I had to check the aerosol whip before I touched it. Down there those fends would unzip the seal and blast all of the gas up their nose right there in the aisle, resulting in nose bleeds. Most nights that I worked at the Fort Avenue store I had at least one canister on the dairy shelf with blood and other nasal secretions dripping down the side.' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: "I once worked with a crew who all huffed the Airwick room freshener and then sat back against the pallet stack and giggled and said “Wow man” for an hour. " << check out the theorematicians.
asciilifeform: normally a quick stomp suffices, i haven't the patience or time to pull the wings off.
mircea_popescu: aww i was hoping for a thorougher trashing of the imbecile redditard and his "hey guise let me tell you what alt universe my unchallenged 15 yo mind dreamed up"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah but i dunno how good it is with serving parallel requests; think it will be fine for this though, yeah
Framedragger: oh uh, it's a shitty python web server there, i should provide something better huh
Framedragger: this is what i say sometimes when i'm happy
Framedragger: (i used one vps at a time (switched due to abuse complaints and so that i'd be sure there's no filtering / results are not biased) for the "which IPs out of all IPv4 are alive behind :22" scan, and i then used 13 cheap VPSes for the actual ssh key extraction out of the 20.8M alive candidates. if curious re cost: will get the bill for the 13 VPSes later, but it was basically 11 hours of scanning, 2.99eur / mo. per VPS, hourly billing, so
Framedragger: this is what i've been able to extract (timeout for ssh server to provide ssh keys: 7.0 seconds), but now that i better understand the nuances of this particular undertaking, re-scanning / re-extraction would be much easier. in particular, doable in 36 hours for under 2 euros of cost (and doable in shorter amount of time for more euros and more concentrated work). which means that costs are absolutely negligible, unless you want to keep
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to interrupt this joyful occasion of copulation of you two by noting that ssh-rsa keys of all of ipv4 are now ready for phuctoring and further analysis; they are in the format of e,N,ipaddress. there's 10.6M of them, out of 20.8M something-listening-on-port-22 hosts. rejoice!
mircea_popescu: sadly i was otherwise involved at the time and didn't think to shoot it up.
asciilifeform: see, i was expecting worse, some orcish atrocity with 'spare' rails.
mircea_popescu: will produce next i run into.
mircea_popescu: i've seen actual track laid that way.
mircea_popescu: i don';t think they care.
asciilifeform: i ask because apparently british units survive in afghan.
asciilifeform: i don't WANT a screw as motherfucking 'art object'.
asciilifeform: i actually own some of the trees the killed.
asciilifeform: (i.e. individual telephone sets, but not 'the phone grid')
asciilifeform: i didn't say 'time can't be specified' !!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 13:18 mircea_popescu: there's some problems with the concept of "specification" also that i don't have clear in my mind
mircea_popescu: irl i drove wrong way and here i am also.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> unambiguous description of how inputs and outputs relate. << is what i have.
asciilifeform: ~i~ ought to be able to summon dragon likewise.
mircea_popescu: o god almighty he was playing it straight. listen asciilifeform you'll say the exact same thing about your bovaric contraption down the road. "the program is fine the world failed it". need i quote brecht to you ?
mircea_popescu: i hope this was deliberate joke yes ?
asciilifeform: since i did not mention timings or analogue characteristics, the two will be equal per the spec.
asciilifeform: absolutely. i can build machine to match my spec above out of GaAs transistors, or MOSFETs on Si or whatever.
asciilifeform: i gave definition earlier.
mircea_popescu: i was looking for a definition not for an example.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i must say this has been by far the most serious, deep and far reaching argument tmsr yet produced, i sit and marvel at the wonder, all my resources tapped taut and for the first time in many years insufficient to peer through the gloom.
mircea_popescu: there's some problems with the concept of "specification" also that i don't have clear in my mind ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i posit that no matter how good a job you do of it, and i believe you capable of an exceptionally good job, will never be perfect, because it can't be for fundamental reasons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect this may be a case where your conscientious intelligence is moreover harmful in the very limited and passagery sense that it took you far enough down a blind alley to make digging out the proper route seem expensive and painful.
asciilifeform: i'm with mircea_popescu on this one ^ .
mircea_popescu: i do not wish my os to contain as much as a fucking variable declared i don't use. not one.
asciilifeform: i - pre-cut.
asciilifeform: a fella who won't set foot on airplane has the luxury of 'i won't fly unless i built the thing'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fundamental problem with the "library" thing is that you are asked to guess what i might wish to do in the future. this is wrong, and unfixable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't use it in my creations without reading it. i may run it on a box on the basis of wot though.
asciilifeform: i agree...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482521 << incidentally, i think this discussion unearthed another sacred idol of computing stupidity, deeply buried. allow me to go into some detail : ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482510 << whether you can be said to have "written" it, in the manner of genre fiction, is even a separate matter from "having written it" in the manner of code, which means you control it, which is a superset of you understand it completely, which has really little to do with "here's a string i dreamed up now publish it and clal it a book". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i hadn't realised*
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 05:18 phf: but i haven't seen those problems yet in the bitcoin codebase, the problem that i did see is a certain deliberate apartness of tinyscheme related code, that subtly violate my assumptions in a nagging way that i described above.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482503 << it violates mine outright, so much so that on the first pass i ~ignored it. i hadn't at the time it's meant seriously, hard to tell what is a minor point and what a major point until discussion actually ends up on them. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "because i can". it's a misnomer : "because it can be done" is proper, the i has no business in there. it'd like to, but that's neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482493 << word. really, "labour division" is harmful in the same manner jwzism is harmful, if practiced in the manner jwzism is practiced. the criteria for cleavage MUST BE "can these things be cleaved" ; it CAN NOT BE "would i like these things apart". it is and has to remain about the things, not about the people. and in this sense "engineering serves mankind" in the same way "the sun is u ☝︎
shinohai: Morning, #trilema http://i.imgur.com/NVvBtHE.jpg
trinque: fascinating; I have a condensation of the whole conversation now
trinque: I should name a specific symbol import and have the code for that import and all deps slurped into the very spot I named it