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mircea_popescu: trinque i think he got voice a whole back and deedbot forgot about it.
Framedragger: it's lisp's fault, i knew it
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah k, i mean, i may disagree re. dunbar's number being directly applicable here, maybe i'm some l33t package maintainer, but fair enough, won't argue further here
Valfor: not really something I can take for myself :P
Valfor: I presume I was given it?
Framedragger: jurov: but probably nvm actually 'cause your tool i expect does not generate things like self-sigs out of nowhere, etc. (need by current instance of phuctor). would still like to take a look if it's around tho!
Framedragger: jurov: i heard you have a converter from tmsr format (e,N,comment) to openpgp, if that's true can you link to it perchance please? would save time / redundancy :)
Framedragger: ^ i'll re-think and converse better next time, bed time
Framedragger: otherwise doesn't scale at all, if 1000 people wanted to trust my subkey. i guess *you* could argue that fuck scale and fuck "lots of people", etc.
Framedragger: one practical consideration re you signing my subkeys: what if you really trusted my main key but then i later decided to move that key to offline storage for security, and derive a subkey - one may argue that gpg provides just this kind of means of streamlining the process - i sign my new subkey or whatever, and there's that, no need for you to meet me in person again. otherwise doesn't scale at all, if 1000 people wanted to trust my su
mircea_popescu: so in a sense i made a design decision post-implementation, because these cojoined twins had to be cut somehow. this is improper, sure, but unavoidable.
Framedragger: yeah i agree here, i do see that point
mircea_popescu: and if you want a subkey, I do the signing, not you.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : i don't want to outsource the management of my trust chains. if i trust you, i trust one key, not all keys in all derivations you may one day come up with. ☟︎
Framedragger: i suppose that's what i wanted to state originally, yeah. i know it's not a strong case; but it's not utter bullshit, either.
Framedragger: maybe i'm jumping too much. apologies - sleepy; and i get the point.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it's interesting and what it shows exhaustively.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it can ever be said "x phenomena shows only y abstraction".
Framedragger: i.e. they show only that.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i don't see much merit in the whole scheme. gpg does something stupid and then maybe salvages some edge of it. mmkay.
Framedragger: i agree. but what if there was some trust path from you to hpa's parent key; and there were no paths at all to the diddled child key. surely that's something, even if not enough for you to mark hpa's key (any key) as "trusted"
mircea_popescu: i don't know hpa. any item purporting to be hpa's key is fake, and this can not be fixed by hpa or anyone on his behalf through technological means of any sort. ☟︎
Framedragger: i agree that it's a property of relations. a signature establishes a relation
Framedragger: i.e., the "fake subkey" case *can* be handled correctly.
gernika: Something I built that may be of interest to Z80 fans: http://www.exusiae.com/blog/thortron.html ☟︎
asciilifeform: i remember them costing their weight in silver.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the crapple currently in business is a sad thing. i have a brand-new $3k box here, for instance, that periodically forgets it has wifi.
phf: i'm just so rarely exposed to agitprop that this was a fascinating experience. it's like watching men in suits get on all fours and earnestly eat shit from the floor.
phf: you guys, i really enjoyed the main guy, because he was like a steve jobs zombie, down to a gaunt cancer look. he existed in this uncanny valley with all the manerisms and presentation ticks.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483611 << this does not make sense to me. granted, maybe i need to be elucidated. but gpg clients correctly handle hpa's key mess, viz. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561091 (link to particular comment about this particular case of diddling) ☝︎
phf: "execu-super-mommy" i believe is that term she used, right before trying to get boomer audience to sing along to the sugarhill gang
phf: i liked the black chick that was doing the whole blackface shtick
trinque: I do not recall a worse keynote ever given by "apple"
BingoBoingo: iOS Beetus edition https://i.sli.mg/Zx7lGt.png
mircea_popescu: but i've yet to meet muslim married woman that'd even conceive such outrage.
mircea_popescu: i cant quote verse.
trinque: phf: I'll get you postgresql user/pass this evening
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how someone who waits for you to go to sleep, pours gasoline and lights up could possibly escape the hanging. it is about as cowardly premeditated as it gets, no need to encourage this sort of behaviour.
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/JU24fH.png
mircea_popescu: the fact remains : unless i have your key from you, it's fake. no amount of holy water sprkinling on the key in question can alleviate this.
mircea_popescu: "i took mercury and it brought the syphilis to a halt". mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: "i don't personally know her, she's therefore not a woman but meat".
asciilifeform: incidentally i devised a way to make the thing grow ~100x faster, but still not implemented.
Framedragger: btw i'd choose self-sigs over "trust sks keyservers not to include fake subkeys" any time of the year. obvs the point is to disassemble this false dichotomy. but short-term, self-sigs are not useless at all.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i know.
Framedragger: yeah i'm not certain how representative that figure is of whatever, honestly. with all metaphor removed, it literally is "the number of ipv4 hosts which respond to a TCP SYN to port 22 with TCP ACK [packet with ACK flag set]". i'm fairly confident that i haven't missed many hosts of this kind, but too should be replicated and tested.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect if you were my hammam master you'd steel mesh the freckles off the girls. possibly most of the smaller clits nad nipples too.
asciilifeform: mains plug is standard where i live.
asciilifeform: incidentally, because self-sig exists, i could turn these into their correct versions if i had to.
phf: i've almost rewritten the irc bot. i'm not going to festival for couple of weeks, so it's going to get done
phf: it's hosted on digitalocean fwiw, maybe i should try moving it to our friend's cockli server, see how well romanian diesel modems work
mircea_popescu: sorta half-way i dunno.
mircea_popescu: yeah i;ve been thinking on the correct spec for it.
mircea_popescu: i see it ?
asciilifeform: i was speaking of LARGE FACTOR collisions
asciilifeform: this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, in cs. i mean, at all. fucking baker's notions of the world.
mircea_popescu: doh if i may say so myself.
mircea_popescu: make wallet.dat and pending_transactions.dat. so if i want to flush pending txn i just delete that.
asciilifeform: the tx in wallet thing is monumentally annoying but afaik no one has invented a practical alternative to the O(N) 'how much coin do i have'
asciilifeform: fundamentally this is good idea. but i can work either on this or on other things.
mircea_popescu: i do not have use for as much as a rotten end of a thread from usg. you follow this concept ?
asciilifeform: did i ever say the pgp format shouldn't burn ?
mircea_popescu: i am not importing "tinyscheme" or "rfc" or anything else.
asciilifeform: understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg. ☟︎
asciilifeform: where am i to get these ?
asciilifeform: it will go ~slightly~ faster if i dump'em in, in bulk, but understand - i do not have the time presently to write any serious adjunct to phuctor
Framedragger: yeh i'll be patient and will meanwhile muck around with what i've collected
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you think it's a sensible idea to try and convert ssh public keys into rfc4880, and then submit them to phuctor (possibly in bulk)? or is that something i should leave to you?
asciilifeform: 'I know what militant leftist political correctness actually does in reality. It’s got nothing to do with SJW’s sobbing over transgender rights and everything to do with having your door kicked in with KGB jackboots at four in the morning.'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i have his complete worx here.
mircea_popescu: no wonder he's being promoted. by now, the moment i see lamestream going "X is a Y" the ~only thing i think about is that if Y = bitcoin, they'd be saying x=gavin.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: gotcha. i have thing which converts ssh pubkey format to e,N,IP. i'll probably have a thing which generates rfc4880 (inserting ip address as comment field, say) from e,N,IP. thanks!
mircea_popescu: i just did looking at it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be. but i never finished my cl rewrite of phuctor.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah wait lol: i'd be parsing ssh rsa keys, not pgp keys - different format - though also base64 etc. i'll check!
asciilifeform: also i left some of the pieces used by phuctor in, in case whoever wants to experiment.
Framedragger: i guess right now i'm more curious to see general statistics / trends, e.g. distribution of ssh server versions per given geo region / AS etc., not that it may be too useful, but just genuinely curious
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah not the worst idea, i too think there may be not much of a market there though, but who knows.. good to know, if i ever come to consider b2b plans more seriously
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's also nothing wrong with trying to package it for b2b and beat in the marketplace those derps mentioned in the log days ago. i don't personally think there's a market there, but maybe i'm missing a crease. teh republic'd support you in any case.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is not, currently, but i can clean up and post a script later. for the time being you can easily get the hash by submitting key to phuctor.
Framedragger: the latter would be quite useful - i may spin up some simple analysis thingie which shows info for those ssh keys, and it'd be nice to be able to link to corresponding phuctor entries
Framedragger: for example say i have some public key available. is there a way for me to derive phuctor's permalink for that key (acknowledging that the permalink may not be active yet, i.e. phuctor does not even know of the pubkey etc) ?
thestringpuller: i preserved the chain, and the bitcoind that built it. so what i'll do is get another disk, try to start from scratch with that build, and see if it wedges at the same place.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 02:17 thestringpuller: i built with stator
asciilifeform: i suppose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but for the grace of god there goes i" or how did that quote go.
phf: which i always thought is a pretty poor rhetoric tactic ever since i encountered it in like 6th grade
phf: i stopped following the other side, because it was a daily dose of "if you want to suck mp cock you know where to find it"
phf: oh i see
asciilifeform: <gribble> mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mike_c> I was like "are all the ratings hosed??"
phf: there used to be that sql dump, and then i think trinque started giving out sql logins to his wot postgresql server, is how wot data access progressed?
shinohai: i can haz lasers ?
thestringpuller: i'ma be so angry
thestringpuller: i better not have to resync
thestringpuller: i had an updated one for a while
thestringpuller: i wonder what broke....
thestringpuller: okay i'll add the new patch sets
thestringpuller: okay nvm i see it's manually been applied
thestringpuller: how can I check what pathces have been applied?