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trinque: I started from an item that was 900mb and that was just the ebuild tree.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923536 << yes, and "cuntoo" would've contained it if I took the wad-of-shit-in-genesis approach. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (i.e. gets eaten by htaccessism ? )
mp_en_viaje: in fact, it might be the one thing on the web i most use.
mp_en_viaje: and i use this ~extensively~
mp_en_viaje: i mean obviously one could modify apache to be less fucked in the head, but ...
asciilifeform: the proposed format aint mathematically ambiguous, i can write it as regexp say. but whothefuckknows what the programmatic liquishit getting in the way might be.
asciilifeform: i thought footnotes were html anchors
asciilifeform: i haven't yet found browser that doesn't render text colour when asked
asciilifeform: see, i fuckinhate js
mp_en_viaje: i honestly like this better.
asciilifeform: coupla ln of jshit , i expect
mp_en_viaje: i guess that's not so lengthy
asciilifeform: i'ma defo do mine, if this is baked
mp_en_viaje: what if i want to select the third duck in duckduckduck ?
asciilifeform: when i was sawing the thing apart , thought 'why not make selector search for start/end chars until finds unique, then sel displayer ditto' but did not get to trying this
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck am i going to do
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 23:20 asciilifeform: grr i was gonna add that famous lathe meat-wind pic to this thread, but cannot nao find.
mp_en_viaje: i guess so.
asciilifeform: ( i dun think the particulars were ever detailed , but evidently salt mine that dun leave much juice left when whistle blows in evening )
mp_en_viaje: well, the reason i don't really know what's going on would be that... never said.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923618 << if i recall, they're sitting in same common grave / salt mine in tx somewhere, atm ☝︎
asciilifeform: i usually end up searching for what the folx who were 'at home' had said in $thread .
mp_en_viaje: wtf am i gonna do here ;/
mp_en_viaje: this extensive travel is going to make finding shit in a few years SO fucking painful. "i wonder, did i say mircea_popescu ? mp_en_viaje ?"...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: frustratingly, i have the 'trbfs'. but grrrr gnat bugola
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:34 asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923602 << yes yes. i wasn't contemplating an indictment, i mearly meant, we, sometime cca 2015, discovered that any heavy lifting re trb gotta wait, for some terraforming work. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i found one as a boy , had nfi what it was
asciilifeform: at one time i made regular visits to tobacconist, even tho do not myself cigar. to buy : boxes.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha, i have a bunch of them ~same reason
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/js-selector-wtf.jpg >> what i see
asciilifeform: ( complete with 'danish butt', laugh if you will. i no longer eat'em, but gotta keep the screws, 74xxx, rejected FG components, ..., ..., somewhere! )
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:05 trinque: diana_coman: I'm going to have to leave. my final point is that this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way to never go anywhere
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923572 << dood, nevermind the "yesterday" and dramatis persona generally. last i saw stuff from you it was A DIFFERENT YEAR. what yesterday ? ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: good for them ; but i don't.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 12:25 asciilifeform: the incident where i glued together rk pilot plant, to only ~then~ find out that nobody knows when the fuck proper gnat will actually build arm binaries w/ working threading, was instructive.
asciilifeform: fast-fwd to nao, when asciilifeform goes into what formerly 'obvious nuttery', i.e. 'let's genesis a whole machine arch' ☝︎
asciilifeform: at the time i dun think there was even thought yet of 'must confiscate gcc' etc
asciilifeform: which , i fear , gave folx unrealistic expectation
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:57 mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
mp_en_viaje: that, incidentally, is the worst stone to swallow, for me. say what i might about "oh, symbolics/whatever people were idiots", sure, why not. but these guys, they FUCKING TRIED getting math torch passed. and i know of no way it could've been done better.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i recall finding that comba died right when was writing comba's algo.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, part of the problem of this is that until we see it we haven't seen it.
asciilifeform: if accept '100MB genesis' , then most of 'portage' is actually redundant, and as i understand whole thing can be replaced with a slightly mechanized vtron
mp_en_viaje: i might be wrong, but as far as i can see portage will work just fine on a pressed pile of code.
mp_en_viaje: i recall.
asciilifeform: at one pt i thought same re asciilifeform vs. trb . ( then mp_en_viaje unwedged me , he had bdb notes , '14 )
mp_en_viaje: whatever its merits from a religious pov, it's fucking insanely inconvenient. what am i supposed to say here, "oh, now that we have v, let's not use it, and instead work on everything outside of v" ? and what... let's design... u, for preparatory work for v ? and what, make it different from v /
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 14:13 diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923610 << i admit even considered possibility that the orig gentoo is heavy enuff and fulla stones and trinque broke teeth trying to eat. but cannot say definitively . ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: i can see his pov too, the only problem is that he picks some utterly terrible approaches.
asciilifeform sees trinque's pov, many times was wedged on a problem where 'i have 95% of solution but for the remaining 5 -- ugliest turd ever seen' . but must agree with mp_en_viaje -- you can't get orig text from a hash, and can't vpatch if you aint got orig
mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:45 mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j
mp_en_viaje: you're aware of this flow, are you ? i allocated him to you so that he becomes more like you, not so that you become more like him.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923543 << aside from the apparent divergence as to what means what / what is implied by what / etcetera, you seem to be developing a more biting divergence in thsi signalling thing. i let pass http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922463 in silence, but apparently it wasnt such a wise course. what do you mean, exactly, "i told you what work" ? it's not apparent that's a priviledged function for some reason, you can't ☝︎☝︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923535 << well, i dunno, be specific as to where ? there's whole discussions as to how "make diff keys if you must", for instance. ☝︎
diana_coman: fwiw, taking the above view, I can fully see his despair at "but why don't you have the sources in there?" ; the only puzzler is how exactly does he see the above as more practical and pragmatic than the plain "this wad of shit is what cuntoo is atm, worms and mud and all"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only" ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:52 trinque: we agree the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree that gb genesis is the move
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923538 << trinque if you have an alternative algo that avoids giga-genesis, i'd really like to hear about it asap, before we start genesising 100MB of kernelade complete with autoconfisms etc ☝︎
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : hey mod6 , did 'who-gave' ever make it into flagship vtree ? ( i dun see it there ... ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << not sure i'd even include self in this number, of yet. ported kernel to 'machine' that never before existed ( the 'cpu' is mips1, but the 'periphs' naturally correspond to no physically existing irons, of yet.. ) and this was entirely new puzzler to asciilifeform ; but not yet ported trinque's userland, and of yet nfi where to begin there ☝︎
asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and prolly i missed a few by other folx (e.g. mod6 had at least 1 in recent 2y)
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:50 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world
asciilifeform: trinque: sure. but you can't have vpatch w/out a genesis that actually puts the original on the machine, or what am i missing
trinque: asciilifeform: I really don't care what the perfectly preserved historic curl was, so long as the revised item passed through a single human head in my wot
trinque: I mean, if it's what's wanted, somebody else step up, and I'll trash the item I made.
asciilifeform: i also haven't any better idea atm.
diana_coman: as I get it, you want genesis to be only something-perfectly-understood; that is the perfection that is not possible and that nobody is asking for
trinque: diana_coman: I'm going to have to leave. my final point is that this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way to never go anywhere ☟︎
trinque: so as I said, if you can now vpatch in an ~understood~ curl, do it, and make portage build it, and show me how
diana_coman: trinque: I suppose I don't *understand* the incrementalism you see there; because there isn't something I can follow "from this genesis he did this vpatch cutting that out etc"
trinque: if you can graft in an understood curl somewhere ~and~ get portage to use that src I'll applaud
diana_coman: you know, I went into this+curl because you said oh noez, nobody is doing ebuilds etc
diana_coman: I want however A genesis from where to be able to start
diana_coman: I don't want curl in the genesis, lolz
diana_coman: trinque: not cleaned no, not swearing either; hence mp_en_viaje 's earlier observation that I'm not vpatching but genesising and those are different precisely because genesis is a place to start (be it a wad of shit) not "this thing I can swear to "
diana_coman: trinque: my experience is that portage will happily build sources that are locally in /cuntoo/distribution (iirc.); so I don't understand re "won't build"
trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world ☟︎
trinque: I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread. ☟︎
diana_coman: so how do you suggest to start? because even if I have this ebuild, I can't patch it because effectively, no sources so what am I patching exactly, just the ebuild script? how does that help?
trinque: moreover it would've been great to have someone raise this objection when I was posting alphas of the thing for months
trinque: we agree the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree that gb genesis is the move ☟︎
girlattorney: i saw also he was here on irc a couple of years ago
diana_coman: I mean ofc mp-wp there.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923475 << aha, i recall this part of the orig. discussions ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:10 asciilifeform: even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff to read 100MB of cpp.
mp_en_viaje: When version 5.6 is removed, I will have to pack up and leave. By imposing these changes, you will have lost a customer of 12 years. And probably not only one." says exactly the same thing.
mp_en_viaje: IF one does not want gb sized ~genesis~, then ONE MUST NOT USE THE ITEM. yes, usage against this is tolerated against. but the day will come when it's "sorry, your X can not interop with republic, either get rid of it or get lost yourself". and i fucking mean that, too, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow, but it will fucking happen.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923461 << gb size PATCH yes, and is forbidden. GB sized GENESIS not the same thing at all. plox to not confuse vpatch and genesis! patch says, "this is a change i'm making to an item, plox judge ~the change~. not the item. the item is taken for granted". gensis says, "this is an item i'm proposing ; please judge it". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:08 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: eg -- some "self-serve" items will do table service for me, some will come over to tell me i gotta go to them, and run into the "you already walked here, now take out your pen". 100% DO NOT take out the pen, because if the precious cuntlet's dumb enough to actually march over to whine at me about her incronssequential worldview failing in practice, she's sure as fuck not about to drop it. she's
mp_en_viaje: this is rather why i don't really deal with entities unwilling to go outside of their standard flow, it's like an initial test. because if they don't, i know what they are, and well...