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a111: Logged on 2016-07-23 15:43 mircea_popescu: the actual legal standing is not established. it's one of those things that are
a huge pile of nonsense
a judge will have to cut through.
mircea_popescu: hey, better
a delusional "entrepreneur" than
a common wino. housewife dun got so many options.
phf: "My husband is my best friend. When I take off all of these “hats”, my most important job is being
a mom. We have three kids who are terrific people."
interviewee: my boys with Bitcoin Uncensored just did
a podcast with some VC guy who was remarkably honest in saying he doesnt know what
a Blockchain is and just shills them b/c investors were told to buy them.
shinohai: thanks! same here, consider bringing
a gpg key to deedbot
shinohai: I was curious what legal perspective in US was, thought it might end up as
a Qntra
shinohai: but i thank you for stopping in, this is
a very interesting study
interviewee: Kimmy is selling cars at
a lexus dealer now.
mircea_popescu: what
a crazy world, where idiots have billions to give to scammers.
interviewee: again, divorce can be
a cheap one day affair or an attenuated mess
interviewee: we're on day 4 of evidentiary hearings on
a motion to dissolve
interviewee: if you have
a party fighting (like one i am involved with atm) then its
a mess
interviewee: so the speed in whcih you can liquidate varies based on
a number of factors
shinohai: all without the benefit of flaming tires in
a shitpit.
mircea_popescu: anyway - since crypto governance interests you : bitbet was
a reasonably productive bitcoin crop that split up over disputes inside management, was declared insolvent, had syndic appointed, was liquidated and the whole process was closed. it was
a) an ad-hoc process and b) done within 6 weeks.
interviewee: hey! i'm
a lawyer who used to be tech. go easy on me.
mircea_popescu: oh, right, there's also
a whole pile of claims re insider trading, manipulation etc over the "price" of "ethereum" at kraken and poloniex.
☟︎ interviewee: that would show that ETH is run by
a cabal
interviewee: and presented
a draft academic paper on it
interviewee: so, i gave
a talk about this at NYU 3 days before the exploiter did his/her/their thing
interviewee:
a serious claim by
a serious party with actual rights and i'm 100000000% down
mircea_popescu: but this is not
a restaurant. if you decide to break into the democratic convention while sitting in nixon's white house, guess what.
interviewee: if you sign
a contract for delivery of 50 tons of charcoal while sitting at the restaurant and the other party breaches 2 years later, you think you have
a claim against the restaurant?
mircea_popescu: not going to. the factual matter will have to be established somehow. you allege they did, they allege they didn't. so it's
a dispute.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no way mit senior counsel ever allows this anywhere near
a trial ; which is why it's fine settle fodder if you're looking to feed yourself.
interviewee: respectfully you get to the jury at the end and there's
a lot to do before the end.
interviewee: you have to remember the gatekeeper here is likely to be
a +60yr old conservative christian white male
mircea_popescu: and if mit doesn't distance itself from it post haste, it's definitely open to
a tort, which... you know, judge awards
a billion, of which 0.1% mit's responsibility. so they have TO PAY THRE WHOLE BILLION
mircea_popescu: ~anyone holding as much as
a farthing "worth" of ethereum presently has overhead the possible claim here discussed, with its treble damages and whatnot.
interviewee: so yes, i think there's
a credible arguement that the exploiter just lost rights.
interviewee: the collateral damage tot he platform caused by
a public suit would be breathtaking
interviewee: from my analysis of the toolbox available to lawyers, it is much easier to get
a judgment and levy on conventional assets than to try to compel actors to change code.
mircea_popescu: ie, even if the judge orders "to reverse the fork" the only practical implementation is
a liquidation in cash.
mircea_popescu: interviewee you can't be this naive. "
a blockchain" ? you sue mit, the hedge fund.
interviewee: how do you coerce
a blockchain with
a court order?
interviewee: getting service and past
a motion to dismiss is what i'm talkign about
mircea_popescu: do consider making
a pgp key and registering it with deedbot
interviewee: US Judges do
a really good job considering the system they have to deal with
mircea_popescu: interviewee the question to you is still, concretely, which lawyer are you ? otherwise the situation here is indistinguishable from "bored redditor clicked
a webirc link"
interviewee:
a judge will probably infer some contractual relationships
mircea_popescu: the actual legal standing is not established. it's one of those things that are
a huge pile of nonsense
a judge will have to cut through.
☟︎ interviewee: complicating this of course is the fact that an investor/DaoT holder could actually buy in without seeing any of those disclaimers b/c the buy in was actually just
a ETH transaction
interviewee: whcih of course was ambigiuous as to its ownership for
a while- so it was unclear what "disclaimers" actually came from "TheDao"
interviewee: 4. if we accept the law is code premise, then is what the exploiter did actually
a violation of any others' rights?
interviewee: when determining whether any party has the ability to invoke the power of the legal system to determine
a dispute, you must first determine the party's respective legal rights
shinohai: kk ... so ... the dao. You believe the "dao attacker' has
a legal claim here?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508816 << only now it dawns on me you prolly meant the fingretrapped chick ? how the fuck are you going to judge her performance without the cock stuffing ? it's like proposing to buy
a car in
a closed bag wtf. you do go for drive tests neh ? same thing here, the fucking point is that random derp can't fingertrap worth
a shit.
☝︎ mod6: i've got
a few irons in the fire currently... but let's revisit this in
a week or two after I get some more work done with the build stuff.
mod6: maybe i'll make
a new one?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 23:38 BingoBoingo: theft of course referring to the forking which was
a theft from legitimate DAO contract DAO'er
BingoBoingo: theft of course referring to the forking which was
a theft from legitimate DAO contract DAO'er
☟︎ mircea_popescu: think of the consumer like it were
a woman - you don't just go plug her, right ?
mircea_popescu: ftr, there's
a tv franchise called "sit down, shut up". it never caught on.
Sinclair6: just in the process of booting up my systems after
a thunder and lighting storm
mircea_popescu: but all this aside, the "reality tv" put
a half dozen 20yos in
a house and film the drama bs made
a billion easy.
mircea_popescu: showing off is more of
a skill than being
a feminism professor. it takes more work, and it is
a more respectable accomplishment.
mircea_popescu: people who have contact with
a lot of them break through the "o, she's an idiot, how endearing" phase of single-mating-male and become deeply irritated by even
a faint hint of the well described idiocies. think of it much like how immune cascade/anaphilactic shock works.
mircea_popescu: then it got mainstreamized into "reality tv" or someshit,
a whole franchise.
mircea_popescu: they don't want
a world with us in it just like we don't want
a world with them in it.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they did prior. but if not this - not
a cable company. sorry.