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mircea_popescu: well i wasn't about to teach you how to cat, curl and sed was i.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am quite familiar with this strategy, given as it was the u.s. army's unofficial doctrine for chemical warfare (eat butyrylcholinesterase 'bioscavenger' antidote, then release sarin)
asciilifeform: ah hm now i recall mircea_popescu had a piece about spamming derps to death
shinohai: I dunno what mp's answer is, but FOR THE LULZ!
asciilifeform: i meant the cockz
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, was he hearing a rape case ?
shinohai: I wonder what happened to his "blockchain sekoority" venture.
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, i don't always care. i like nano when it's a simple matter of "i know what i'm looking for, but approximately, so it's easier to ctrl-w and look at context than to grep string"
mircea_popescu: doing some research in the bowels of trilema i fell upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-internet-race-gap/ "So to sum up : the average number of black people on the Internet is, on average, about 15% lower than the average numer of black people on the Internet as far as we can see - and it's probably even worse as far as we can't see."
shinohai: I dislike nano because I like having line #'s displayed
mircea_popescu: and sometimes i actually edit files straight from bash.
mircea_popescu: i also use vi!
thestringpuller: i always figured you'd use emacs.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: Which one are you drinking? I see like 7 types of Havana club for sale.
shinohai: Don't drive either, I use taxis :D
shinohai: thestringpuller: I don't have a job other than trb/Qntra
thestringpuller: also shinohai how can you stand driving in your area? I was there during rush hour last night and think I had a minor stroke.
shinohai: I need to go out to store before all the 4th-of-July derps clog up the roads.
trinque: I'll put that in
trinque: I'm over here pulling at his guts
trinque: there aren't any feed commands; I just put them in the db
trinque: I'll make sure that one goes through, and $deed will work in a few min
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 13:22 mircea_popescu: shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with a good name maybe.
asciilifeform: incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493235 - i suggest 'church of integrity' - loosely from hanbot's 'shall be delivered' ☝︎
BingoBoingo: * adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw! << Or he wants a baseline adlai without lsd...
phf: it up - oh and the seat is leather - very classy so i want to pick it up - anyway, maybe you should think about it - nah i want to pick it up - well give it a day or something - ... ok i'll pick it up tomorrow" haven't heard anything from the guy.
phf: my first attempted motorcycle purchase went exactly like this. i show up, and the bike's fucking spiffy, a honda cafe racer conversion. i saw it on craigslist, research all the things, etc. etc. the conversation went something like "check out this thing that i did to this bike – ooh yeah it's cool, so i want to pick it up – yeah i replaced the pipe from this one to this other one - yeah i saw the original this is much better, so i want to pick
asciilifeform: i had 3620 because poorfag
asciilifeform: btw if i had phf 's xl, i wouldn't sell
mats: work was not fun, i think virtually everyone with 365 was unable to send or receive external mail
phf: mircea_popescu: that's what i figured
asciilifeform: i have both old and new-type kbd.
adlai: they don't have to visit your house, but i never said maryland
phf: i'm not even laughing, i'm mostly pissed
asciilifeform: basically the exercise isn't worth my time for what i am likely to expend in time and what can realistically sell for.
phf: adlai: i don't actually need it, i have an xl1201, which i bought after i realized asciilifeform is not going to sell his one. but i know at least 3 people that will pay recent ebay prices for it
adlai: ie, you keep it, not for sale, and i pay rent
phf: asciilifeform: last time we talked about i basically got an impression that you don't want to sell it, which has been reconfirmed by this conversation, which is unfortunate since there are people who would actually put it to good use.
adlai: i don't think you sell a lispm door-to-door
adlai: last i checked, tmsr has an ex-salesman? or at least a blogger who blogs a lot about how to sell ☟︎
asciilifeform: adlai: i dun keep one on retainer, sadly
asciilifeform: thing is still in my because i have 0 interest in working for min wage.
phf: asciilifeform: if you're serious about selling it, i can make it happen. only reason i've not been pursuing this line, is because you're preemptively sabotaging the whole thing
phf: for example i bought an xl1201, it's been sitting at a friend's place in seattle for 8 months now, because it's waiting for me to go there in person and pick it up myself
asciilifeform: but i ain't stuffing it in a box with the usual moneyback
asciilifeform: a fellow i know bought one
asciilifeform: incidentally, i should like to learn what became of, e.g., racal norsk's lispm. or the french one, whose name escapes me
mircea_popescu: the correct model i think is sex. sex is free, to the asker ; it goes for a song. but it depends which asker and what song.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-01 00:15 trinque: I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:59 phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
phf: adlai: i think that bit is just typo, the '# switch, since that's essentially dead code for all practical purposes
adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw!
adlai: because he thinks i should never touch any drug ever. i didn't ask about coffee or glucose but myeah.
adlai: mircea_popescu: amazingly, the last doctor i saw told me that i have two choices: take the meds, or don't... but tell people you're off them
phf: and it will fail earlier then it has to touch walk.lisp (i'm pretty sure)
asciilifeform: i bet there are stinking allegroisms in there
asciilifeform: perhaps i have the last clean copy..
asciilifeform: last i tried, decade or so ago, it built...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:33 phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis)
mircea_popescu: i already put the u switch in the fucking name
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu at least makes coffee from hatred of enemies!11
asciilifeform: and since mircea_popescu is sleeping, i will have to barf in his place:
asciilifeform: trinque: unlike cpu etc, i have nfi what solution to your bit would even look like.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not going to be a proxy gabriel!
trinque: I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer ☟︎
trinque: I could see myself sharing technology with someone if I see that it benefits me in some way, or at large if it has some strategic benefit to me, and not otherwise in service to a philosophical code
phf: if naggum wrote his emacs, or at the very least started one, then i wouldn't be necessarily stuck without a text editor i could trust or work with (hemlock being a particularly bad implementation, and emacs corrupted beyond redemption, etc)
phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach ☟︎
adlai: local-time:timestamp-to-unix and its vice-versa give you this. i guess my use of local-time has been primarily to display timestamps readably
trinque: makes me feel better that so far I've stuck with int representations of time in my CL programs
phf: i got exposed to library as part of my attempt to revive cl-ledger, that actually doesn't need time component at all. as an accounting tool it almost entirely deals with dates (except in its timetracking functionality)
phf: well, there was a bunch of things, so i'm just going to hand waive it, but one major issue is that it doesn't actually have a date, time, datetime separation
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493744 << i think of these projects in the same terms i think of "knowledge" in general. same way as there's no abstract scientific knowledge that's somehow "accessible" to "society", there isn't universal good value to naggum's emacs, but there would've been value in naggum's ~to me~ as a kind of abstract node in what i'm hoping is a graph of sane people. same way as "scientific knowledge" is only a kind of comm ☝︎
phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:31 asciilifeform: e.g., 'fuck you i ain't running no PROGRAMS embedded in no stinkin' music file'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 15:38 asciilifeform: trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493768 << kinda slow neh ? but yes, i'm in agreement that glyps have no business being involved in programming, it's a display matter not more. ☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g., 'fuck you i ain't running no PROGRAMS embedded in no stinkin' music file' ☟︎
asciilifeform: (the correct way to include the decompressor is via v linkage. that is to say, a signed hash thereof, i.e. an index into a wotronic cryptographic global namespace.)
asciilifeform: i will give another example!
asciilifeform: sorta what mircea_popescu was getting at, i suspect, when he mentioned svg.
mircea_popescu: i think he has it. no basis.
asciilifeform: (what means 'wasted blood' ? see http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project for what i mean here. )
asciilifeform: i.e., that their blood will go to waste.
asciilifeform: if they aren't on character level, what, i can't search, sort, etc. them ??
phf: like i'm not convinced that cyrillic, greek etc. should be implemented on cl's character level, as opposed to something like ccl's concept of Rune
asciilifeform: i have 3 different dpi in my array
asciilifeform: phf: i could live with this.
phf: i think that clim would benefit from removing all decorations and rolling it back to genera style thin and thick lines to at the very least get the baseline speed in place
asciilifeform: likewise certain www sites i can't even load normally because they turn to soup given my screen geometry (i use strictly tall vertical displays)
asciilifeform: whereas on my battlestation, i use ratpoison and a wall of lcd, and anything that spawns windows will look like shit
phf: that sounds like TK problem. like out of the box tk is dog ugly and unpleasant to use, but you can get a designer (an actual one, not like "designer") play with geometries, color and fonts to make it look quite good. i think athena would've benefited from somebody who's not an autist looking at it
asciilifeform: it is about how if i am cooking in a kitchen, there should be NO human shit in the sink
phf: i'm pretty sure athena in mcclim is not even real athena, but rather a simulation, because that was gui state of the art when mcclim started
phf: so i was curious if that allegro thing might be better in that respect, but i suspect it's one of those 20% rewrite, 80% patching projects
phf: i think nobody's ever tried making mcclim performant, and on top of that all this work was put into dodgy projects (like ttf and general prettification, not to mention that beach spent long time trying to make it render to html (!!!))
phf: and clozure for their experimental product, which i'm not sure if that ended up getting delivered. that was like a separate ticketing system for some canadian airline
phf: yeah, i'm surprised they weren't involved in, say, ITA
gabriel_laddel: I met the franz doods irl once. Cannot understand *why* they do what they do at all.