92600+ entries in 0.055s
mircea_popescu: it's not even dumb, it's like a pcb with a large hole in
the middle.
mircea_popescu: well looky, i'm not
trying
to ruin your fun here, but if yo uwant me
to
try an follow along ima
try as best i can. so far, it's not
taking me far.
mircea_popescu: so... i can't imagine
the problem you're
trying
tro approach even exists, which is why i can't come up with a way
to solve it.
mircea_popescu: whereas if he knows about you, it seems altogether unlikely he'd even consider
talking
to google about it, and for
the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
that if
the one is looking
to eat out of his work, he'll likely not even know you exist. because
the sort of people dumb enough
to depend on
their daily labour for
their sustenance while at
the same
time smart enough
to reverse engineer are a very narrowly defined set. one is guaranteedly pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: well,
to me
this seems a much larger risk
than
the possible insolvency of alf.
mircea_popescu: you may have no need, but putative player has no way
to control wtf will hapen in a month.
mircea_popescu: yes, but
the key
to communication, which is what you do when you
try
to engage others, is
that you step outside of what you have need for, and speak of something ~they~ can relate
to.
mircea_popescu: and you imagine complicated injustice is better
than just a shrug and a pat on
the ass ?
mircea_popescu: it's perfectly possible google just fixed it on
their own. and now you want phf
to decide
this somehow ? fucking how ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, your design is dysfunctional in
that (even allowing for it modelling somewhat close
to reality, which i have no faith it does) suppose
today someone gives you a working pill, and june 27th google patches
the hole. and
the someone says "dood, i have nfi, i honestly didn't
tell anyone anything".
mircea_popescu: well, say
they were 500 heh ? SINCE IT WAS YOUR NUMBER
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:02 asciilifeform: it isn't even wholly about
the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like
to see
the enemy bleed some, hear
the laments , see
the mules driven before him, etc
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the value here is "lol @google", not "oh, ima sell 500 laptops for 0.01 btc profit per".
mircea_popescu: but back
to it : i see
the value in
taking a magic marker
to
the outside
track of google's "drm". i do not see
the value in your hairebrained scheme
to make a business out of it.
mircea_popescu: kim kardashian also routinely changes hands for price of ~lawnmower ; doesn't mean she's any good.
they just like having
their picture
taken with her.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile
the same money put in bitcoin went from $2
to whatever
the fuck.
mircea_popescu: i
think you conflate economics and coolness. for one
thing, an original
trinitron bought
the year sony came out with
them was like 5k ? or some shit like
that. for
the other
thing, 1k from 1988 is like 10-15k
today. so... i don't see
the $100k price
tag
that'd merely cover inflation.
mircea_popescu: well like it or not, it's old crap.
the
thinkpad sitting sadly on a chair is...like 2gb ram and a fucking pentium
mircea_popescu: i bet you i could, if i wanted
to.
there's plenty of old crap here.
mircea_popescu: i
think i have one right here. from ~period. it's a workhorse, sure, and it paid for itself many
times over, but...
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: i'm up for a job of contest arbiter, i don't
think
that what you're proposing is arbitration. i
thought
that you're going
to give goals, and it's up
to me
to evaluate if
the goals have been achieved. but you want me
to merely verify your procedure.
that's fine, but
that doesn't make me an arbitrator.
mircea_popescu: in general. but converting
the general
to practically actionable bits is usually
the challenge.
mircea_popescu: by now
they cost more in storage
than
they cost
to acquire, even
though patriotic republicans' have been eating
the cost for us.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:30 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation,
the very point of having arbiter is so as
to avoid exam
taking ;
the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here
the "opposable instrument"
thread with
trinque, etc) is
to permit exam
taking.
these are contrary design constraints.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824502 << right. it's also not a good idea for an arbiter
to sign someone else's exam, as if it's anything but. i've offered
to run
the proposed experiments without arbitrating, but
that's not what ascii wants.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 asciilifeform: after $time , phf goes and buys, from amazon, a c101pa , and administers
the pill. if it is cured just
the same as his current one,
the other half of prize is
to be awarded.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 23:39 asciilifeform: phf: you will
test using your c101pa. and so you will need
the debug snake, i will need
to put
the output of sysinfo , ver , brd , etc cr50 console commands into
the statement.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:16 asciilifeform: i'm not about
to ask mircea_popescu
to buy us 500 boxes prior
to discovery of pill.
mircea_popescu: so far it's not altogether clear what specifically other dood's
to do.
mircea_popescu: gotta pick what you pick ; and as per
the common sense notion, if your job isn't a good fit for any
tool, your job's not a well defined job.
mircea_popescu: note however
that practice is alligned : when you protested (essentially)
that
the
tits
thing is being exam-took, i ignored it, specifically because... it was specified!
mircea_popescu: but i'm not doing it, am i ? i dunno how i'd do it ; i'm also not against exercising
the doing it muscle, but commetary is part and parcel of
the exercising.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 phf: yes, but if you are going
to establish a procedure why do you need an arbitrator, or in other words, i don't see a point of separate arbitrator if
the process is your own
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation,
the very point of having arbiter is so as
to avoid exam
taking ;
the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here
the "opposable instrument"
thread with
trinque, etc) is
to permit exam
taking.
these are contrary design constraints.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fwi, "No word from oil insiders on interest in
the shambling cryptographic provenance solutions still in search of a problem
to solve and customers
to buy it; but
this has not deterred
Team Cockchain ("Smokin' it!" ™®) from announcing eleventeen different projects
to disrupt
this massive industry from its mother's basement." makes 0 sense
to me.
mircea_popescu: "oh it dun do anything, it's just oxigen" "sure. until
the day it does something,
then you'll really see a show"
☟︎