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asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy ☟︎
asciilifeform: which is why i follow the subj.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what any of the terms mean as used, for the record. we're in plebeconfusionland.
asciilifeform: i am interested in his ostrichcamel.
mircea_popescu: best i can discern from the unexpected in this latest convo, he's trying to do something that makes no sense for the market, a sort of ostrich-camel of epic proportions.
mircea_popescu: i also never attempted to live in my shoes, or judge shoes by how "livable in" they are.
mircea_popescu: i also sailed proper sailboats ; which have no plumbing. under discussion here, both from the introduction of the article you quote, and from his "live in boat" general outlook, are pointedly NOT sailboats.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think it may rather be a matter of agwe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about his nonsense. every (admittedly, large, expensive) boat i've been in had detachable pannels. you first take the shit OFF, then fuck with the pipes gauges etc in the normal manner. yes it takes 3x as long as if you were doing house plumbing, but that's about it.
asciilifeform: i.e., the item above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and yet they gave the nobles caftans, ie, "here's this holy piece of clothing, worth so much more than the fabric and cut to you because i'm giving it"
shinohai: Logged 7-19-2016 08:39 +thestringpuller shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble. <<<only teh American exchanges I see
mircea_popescu: i bet he did.
asciilifeform: i bet he saw it as little different from modern bloke throwing out his pack of cigs 'tryin' to quit'
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, since i apparently fell in a barrel of reading old history, fellow describing "the cruelty" of mehmed 2 : "for some books stolen from his secretary he punished an entire village to be moved to asia ; for a stolen watermelon he took the life of a suspected janissary, and he did not back down from killing with his own hand the most adored being in the harem, who had shackled him with her exceptional beauty to the p
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ah i cv
thestringpuller: shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble.
mircea_popescu: something that may appear as a subcase but i believe is not (not that the dispute is all that relevant) and in any case is more numerous is the jwz : the fellow that "just wants to" keep right on being lazy.
thestringpuller: "I've noticed a trend with these guys. They're too dumb to even know they are clowns. Well I guess they're focused on the present and not the future. Money counts for these guys. He's nothing but a banker selling btc." and has reply >> "Dunning–Kruger effect" It's odd reading comments like that on reddit.
Framedragger: jurov: elinks loads it fine on ssd but search doesn't work (~works, but notrly). i think i used lynx when looking up stuff on phuctor tho. oh well. :/
Framedragger: (i mean that's what it is right?)
asciilifeform: i meant this kind,
Framedragger: yeah i have this stupid nostalgia for things of that kind even though i haven't experienced them myself >.<
Framedragger: i'll be sure to use mongodb, at scale
mircea_popescu: you could see images via gopher ; i have.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505268 << realistically i'll prolly end up waiting to see what you come up with, to steal good ideas off of you :) ; meanwhile i'll be scripting something more generic, vaporware-y, and less productive (something something federated e2e encrypted forum thing) ☝︎
asciilifeform: it was really killed by 'i want graphical snatch'
Framedragger: so i hear, hm. including bulletin boards full of phreakers from australia and all that, i suppose
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << (i was prolly too young to ever properly try it in the wild but fwiw it rang a bell to me multiple times when looking at tmsr discussions, yeah. not that it's time to revive it or anything i guess) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:18 asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
asciilifeform: was sorta stuck with it, because the rfc4880 parser was a python lib, and i did not have time to write one from scratch.
asciilifeform: aha, i used it
Framedragger: trinque: no but i agree and won't argue the opposite!
shinohai: I love how hispanics here say "Meeeeecrosoft"
asciilifeform: i was specifically speaking of schema design.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm smoking drives :D
asciilifeform: the more i think about it, the more the static thing seems like the correct pill.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle i could get a bank of 4 ssd's in a raid which should make it faster-than-ram
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seeking. but really i'd rather optimize the proggy than add to the (already gigantic) recurring cost.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ssd would help much on that machine i'd suspect, if it's really i/o bound, as simplistic as it sounds
Framedragger: but i, too, am interested in taking a stab at a sane implementation, fwiw!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 17:49 asciilifeform: phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504976 << you know i can prolly arrange something for this... what part of i/o ? seeking or what ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise lisp is practically useful.
trinque: relatedly I'm about to drop a vpatch for cmdbot
mircea_popescu: trinque i was more thinking lynx but yea
trinque: I confess to having already written parts of the thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque basically, it should be conceptualized not as a "this is a sheet i printed this and that on" but more like "what'd you like in your plate here ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will note that this was theoretically the promise of ~every 'framework' ever published, but each and every single one cancerously deviated from it
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, i suspect the entire website model is dumb as presented. currently, under pressure from ustards/business majors/other unwelcome masses, a website is a collection of webpages that is very similar to how a tv show is a collection of tv frames. MAYBE they'll let the user have a tivo, but that's at the most.
trinque: yeah I can take a crack at it. sounds like something that has a list of SQL views, list of kinds of output. you pair those up, allow filtering on fields (particularly time)
mircea_popescu: shit, among all this actual productive work i nearly missed the lulz explosion on qntra.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i was thinking just pick one, clean it and repackage it.
trinque: I have need for the reporting thing myself anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've not yet succeeded in setting up a 100% de-drepperized openbsd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced of this
trinque: plenty of lisp tools there too; I've used hunchentoot plenty
mircea_popescu: myeah. but it's modular anyway, so. until such a time, we just need a hm. either php or lisp i guess. or maybe hammer the extant python-whatcha call it into shape.
asciilifeform: but i'm not averse to doing the chore when it comes time.
asciilifeform: well i've no reasonable os to plant it in, that would justify it
mircea_popescu: anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better ; and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ya well. anyway, this is kind-of the direction i was dreaming for the wp thing.
asciilifeform: i doubt that apache will fare any differently.
asciilifeform: so far every rock i turn over has 10,000,001 worms under it.
mircea_popescu: this only partially solves the www problem though. servers have to be lovingly helped to stay up over ddos etc crapolade ; why the fuck does apache not work properly etc etc. but these we can abstract for now i hope.
mircea_popescu: for instance, it'd evident we want : a) csv, for to grep ; b) tmsr-html, which is NOT html, and not just because it does not allow js ; c) tmsr-svg, which i'm going to pretend is svg, because gnarly. somewhere inbetween b and c a latex fits in as previously discussed in logs.
asciilifeform: i dun like state.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sorry, were you saying "i am a flaming retard right now, so what i'm proposing is moving gb of crud around for no other purpose than to communicate a kb of information" ? i interpreted it to mean "what if i actually have 1 gb of information, can i pass that ?"
asciilifeform: i would say that in the case of phuctor, they are not.
mircea_popescu: i guess some work poured into a semblance of unified dissemination interface is unavoidable, hence the shinohai wp project.
mircea_popescu: i'm thinking the way this will end up is to separate the data processing ; data acquisition ; and data dissemination. evidently people good at any of these aren't good at the others, and have incredibly elaborate excuses for maintaining the situation that likely aren't worth cutting through.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504906 << i see http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/154d6211-de43-4d97-bc53-8eef366b1d5c/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 16:17 asciilifeform: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes | grep -c -i "framedragger"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504809 << just fyi the new 1.82M ssh key diff won't have that keyword in there, as i've shortened the comment string, as per various grumblings re this. ☝︎
Framedragger: logging in and resetting boxes via cracked *client* ssh keys could be a thing, though! keys are already retrieved i take it :) http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485892 ☝︎
Framedragger: (hm, i'll go thru the ip clustering discussion again tomorrow or thereabouts, interesting stuff and interesting speculation how this came to be. need to find time to do some actual anal-sis and graphing....)
Framedragger: ah it's a separate thing, right right. sorry i'm rambling without knowing / forgetting internals
asciilifeform: i need the memory for the gcd.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505059 << are you using postgres? if so, advice from someone who has run a (hopefully) decent www+db thing with > 100 GiB of data in postgres: follow https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server or equivalent for your db (but i'll swear behind postgres any day). this is normal practice, mind you, not "hax0ring for nosql immigrants" ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like. ☟︎
trinque: I was sharing the lulz; db makes sense
Framedragger: eh i may be back, shit's too interesting :D
Framedragger: i meant that i supplied them to you as one key in one file. but yeah kk
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 18:08 asciilifeform: i know of no file system that would not choke.
asciilifeform: jurov: it does if i want a zero chance of corruption.
asciilifeform: nor am i interested in waiting for months for the conversion.
asciilifeform: i know of no file system that would not choke. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: well i ain't appending to anything
trinque: but if that'll be nightly, I expect there'll be big farts of RSS at phuctor-o'clock
jurov: asciilifeform: i did not say you have to abandon db!
trinque: I don't mind either way
Framedragger: understood. well, so it is. i do recall being able to full text search decently once it loaded. but, okay, browsers suck
asciilifeform: at a certain point i'ma have to make it a batch thing
jurov: i saved sadmods.html to *my* hdd
Framedragger: jurov: oh you mean it as counterargument, it reading from hdd on phuctor. i thought, from local hdd
Framedragger: some time ago. could have been elinks. and yeah i recall it being slow
asciilifeform: trinque: the only one i know of that runs continuously without blackhole or other hiccup.
asciilifeform: phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o. ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well you wouldnt be you if it were otherwise i suppose!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah i dunno if it can be mirrored. won't rush anyway..