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trinque: aha, once
there's a manifest, all's fine.
trinque: yes,
they have
to reference it
to bring it into
the flow
trinque: how's
the patch look,
that adds
the new file?
trinque: cannot add a new, standalone file, without editing something
that existed previously
mircea_popescu: ed patch is now also well ordered, "caught in
the patchchain" as it were) and b) we can and very likely will re-organize
the portion between genesis and
the manifest patch later anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's not being proposed as a retoactive fix.
the idea is, ~after~
the patch
that puts in a manifest, ~subsequent~ patches will be well ordered. and
the fact
that
the earlier ones aren't exactly well ordered is a) resolved in any practical sense by
the fact
that you won't have patch imports across
the barrier more
than 1 deep (ie, once a patch after
the manifest patch references a patch before
the manifest patch,
THAT refernec
trinque: no, because
the dependency graph is denoted
through files, and not concepts
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:26
trinque: ben_vulpes: because
the manifest has no antecedent, and you're gonna have
to go graffiti other files like an idiot
mircea_popescu: not much of a
technical problem, perhaps, but
there really is no rush with
that particular
thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque as i recall mod6 had had enough of maintaining his ; but
this doesn't mean his work
to date vanished, any noob/other person at any point hindered by
the lisp v can pick up mod6's and maintain it
trinque: the luxury of specified items,
that
there can be several
mircea_popescu: the "multiple implementation"
thing hasn't changed, just because
there's a candidate reference one
tbh.
trinque: if
the question was why I linked
that one, aside personal preferences, I recall
there being some bug in
the perl one, which wasn't in
the lisp one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd still do
the "ablation of 2011-2017" later
tbh.
ben_vulpes: well now i have
to look into
this and figure out what drives
the memory of getting stuck. very foggy memories suggest it was
the pruning of spent outputs i was unsure of.
mircea_popescu: much better
than having
to resolve
the "is it same
trb" problem. what's
the drawback ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:13
trinque: so if
there's a hero around
that wants
to
take
that on, we can start getting
trb patches out
the door again.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
this is different from "i got mired in finding unspent outputs" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 05:03 ben_vulpes: on an eeeentiiiiirely different
topic, it
took months but i recently got
the part of my output indexer
that excises spent outputs from
the index map
to compile, which i believe brings
the indexer part of
this foray
to completion. i invite any who'd like
to read and comment
to download
the (unsigned!) vpatch from here cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/export_outputs.vpatch
mircea_popescu: i don't recall exactly figures etc, but
the 0.1% republican
tax is rather inspired by
the mongol approach
to government
mircea_popescu: though, amusingly,
tamerlane did
tax ~the same amt as
these guys do.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:02 ben_vulpes: heh, last
time i
took a crack at *that* i got mired in finding unspent outputs with
trb
mircea_popescu: just
think,
there's in excess of 200mn cunts
that desperately want and utterly need
http://trilema.com/2017/mom/ ; who's gonna do it
to
them,
the fiddy arab youths a day ? have you seen any of
these malnourished shitheads in your life ? a hearthy sneeze might blow 'em down.
mircea_popescu: but yes,
this objection is quite as strong as
the "why
trhe fuck did
they need 60+ eyars
to do it". i fully expect
the "rape and slaughter of europe"
to disappoint
the eager victims. more of a fart
than a raging hard-on, in any sense.
mircea_popescu: hey, chicks been slipping
themselves mickeys in bars for decades. if it dun get up you get on your knees and suck on it, what can you do ?
mircea_popescu: aaand brecht can go hang out with
the
tulpas and just want
to
there in peace. win-win.
mircea_popescu: the german democratic republic is getting itself a new people,
the old one disappointed.
BingoBoingo: Eh, don't worry for
the museum. Let it get some history of its own.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 04:08 asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get
to see how
the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb)
mircea_popescu: so
there you go, everyone ends up sucking up
to hitler,
the intellectual giant of
the 20th century.
mircea_popescu: if he lived in
the city rather
than in
the barn he maybe would. or maybe wouldn't, which is why he doesn't get
to live in
the city.
mircea_popescu: at some point
the people LIVING
THERE notice
this, you know ? even if dung-in-toes sheepboy orlov (laughing at
the moreso-dung-in-toes other sheeboys, ha-ha!) doesn't notice
this.
mircea_popescu: maybe half of what
the nazi built has some inkling of merit. but
the rest, every public building built in eurpe
the past century, belongs
torn down.
mircea_popescu: tell me
truly : do you perceive any cultural damage in islamist "colonists" in
their own mind blowing up
the brutalist "buildings" erected by
the last gasps of
the european socialist governments ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or for
that matter, euro-tolerast welfare pie was as sweet in 1990s as
today. why no boats of eager eaters in '90s ? << Khaddafi
BingoBoingo: Similarly "re-newing" vows
tends
to kill
the marriage
mircea_popescu: because people were pretending
to be angry with each other back
then
mircea_popescu: exactly as described in 1984 : convincing pretense
to conflict.
mircea_popescu: and
they're doing exactly
that, and it's reasonable as it ever was, and i really dun see wtf
the orlov's all about. "here's what i don't understand about astronomy" "ook ?"
mircea_popescu: there's really no point of
the curent bs continuing. it's lived out its last,
time
to re-cluny
the continent.
mircea_popescu: anyway --
to
the folks playing host, it is interesting like a soviet food ratios stamp.
mircea_popescu: yes,
the women are getting raped.
that's what
they're for.
their "ideals" don't enter into
this,
thyey wanted ideals
they shoulda been born with an ideals between
the legs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the inhabitants have 0 say in
the process.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't seem
to work out
to a better alternative ; a happenstance
this current know-nothing party seems
to be as blisfully unaware as
the previous.
mircea_popescu: you can't ruin cunt by fucking, it's not made of soap ; and
that's what europe is,
the globe's cunt.
mircea_popescu: experimentally, barbarian invasion does not kill europe. not when
the barbaric romans ruined
the etruscan and greek vases, not when barbaric germans ruined
the roman vases (you know iberia is originally a place in fucking azerbaijan, yes ?) not when etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 16:25 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept,
https://archive.li/IAUet >> orlol,'Barbarians Rampage
through Europe's Cemetery'
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829629 <<
this constant worry at
the margins and in
the colonies as
to "europe suicide". yes, obviously, if ~russia~ let a bunch of rando foreigners in, ~russia~ would disappear. but
this is because russia isn't anything, let alone very much. europe is old, and
throughout
this oldness it "suicided" exactly in
the manner described.
☝︎ ben_vulpes: it's either
there or regrind back
to
the genesis
trinque: ben_vulpes: got it; yeah, I'd say if it gets bolted on, inside
the makefiles patch is a sensible place
trinque: I agree, promisetronic without
the vtron getting angry at you over mismatched name
trinque: phf:
thought I had
there was
that if you have only a manifest in hand, perhaps
the name is useful in some dht lookup for
the patches later
mod6: hmm. maybe not required in a
technical sense. but i'd like it all
to hang
together, and be proper. for posterity.
trinque: could say we want
trb
to be exemplar of "how
to V", in which case yeah, regrind it all
☟︎ phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in
the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by
tooling. i didn't want
to go
that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name,
than perhaps V ought
to check
the manifest against
the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph
tooling, can presumably press according
to manifest's chain.
☟︎ trinque: could decide
that we're fine with
that historical fact. world won't implode
trinque: what it means is
that before
that point,
there isn't a manifest-enforced press order
mod6: because if so,
then we need a new
trb genesis. which doesn't effect v in anyway, just another pita for
trb.
mod6: ah,
then nothing i can
think of. don't know what i was on about
there.
mod6: it's just a flat file
that resides in
the project, ya?
trinque: mod6: what do you imagine needs
to change in a vtron
to support
the manifest?