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pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-26#581551 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-26#581552 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-26#581554 << go figure that the logs have covered most every situation imaginable, to which i'd like to ask mircea_popescu specifically about znort987 : how much trust is he (she?) worth ? ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: ( since gabriel_laddel thread i can never again be certain, whether typo is typo or deep barb of some sort )
danielpbarron: trinque, I don't think there is any mention of bigfoot in The Bible
danielpbarron: I can see why the levianthan would be particularly hard to accept, seeing as how the thing is supposed to currently be alive in the ocean, whereas many of the other far-fetched sounding things in The Bible are supposed to have only existed long ago
asciilifeform: eh i suppose it is no worse than the rest of it.
asciilifeform: this may be subjective thing wholly. maybe trinque can learn to like living in anthill, without cheese or chix with visible tits. i have nfi.
asciilifeform: but i will say that there ~is~, to me.
asciilifeform: i was recently reading about 'oilite', a type of self-lubricating bronze, that is still made in usa. the factory where it was originally produced, owned by chrysler corp., lived in the '30s. today it is a ruin, rats live in it. oilite is still made, in usa, but for how long - i have nfi, at some point it will become difficult to find people who will follow the ritual (yes, to savages, industry is ritual) and it will sail off to china ☟︎
asciilifeform: i recently acquired ~60 years of 'scientific american'. worth every penny.
trinque: I wonder if it's truly that the USA was *that* wealthy that it had this far to fall, that there is not yet starvation. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i know this. but am interested presently in where it interfaces with physical reality. ☟︎
asciilifeform: not much of a spoiler if i say that the devaluations did not work! tyres and other seemingly mundane 'shop' goods still had to be allocated in gnarly and entirely nonmarkety ways.
asciilifeform: you walked into a shop, and, if i had x - you bought x, with paper cash.
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand.
asciilifeform: nor do i expect to find out, unless mircea_popescu reveals tidbits.
asciilifeform: i know a few things re (1) - e.g., cash confiscations.
asciilifeform: i am quite interested in the mechanisms whereby 1) goldmansachs usd are prevented from transmuting into turkey usd 2) plebes wielding turkey usd are restrained from putting unendurable pressure on supplies of limited resources, of the sort which lead to shortages and visible collapse. ☟︎
asciilifeform: nor do i have any notion of what ultimately controls the rate of such leakage.
asciilifeform: i and anyone else can point to a few obvious 'financial memory leaks' - e.g., folks borrowing against 'their' house , buying btc, and rocketing off to mars.
asciilifeform: i.e. i am satisfied that there ~is~ one, but have nfi re particulars (hormesis, say, is a thing.)
asciilifeform: but usually it ends with 'and then i drank myself to sleep in front of tv.'
asciilifeform: the story never seems to end with 'i filed suit # .... and then four dudes in black van came and told me to withdraw or there will be problems'
mircea_popescu: tru. which is why i didn't quote that part.
asciilifeform: re quoted bit, the 'they stopped giving out form' is as questionable as 'nsa bugged my house, but i have no photo'
asciilifeform: 'So she returned to the state disability office and told them this. Their response was, "Oh, I guess that's new. Okay, no problem, we'll assign you a different ID number." My cousin's kid was like "WTF?" and asked them why they would reassign her a number rather than reassign, or better yet freeze, the SSN thief's account. Their response was that they don't get involved in those legal issues, their job is just to provide the benefit
asciilifeform: somehow it is different when done in tailored, vs walmart suit ? i have nfi.
asciilifeform: and i met folks cashing fat usg contract cheques who laughed at 'welfare niggerz' etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any of, e.g., the notation threads. or the dope thread. or any ' mircea_popescu: this is worthless crapola used by posers to appear relevant . asciilifeform: no, i saw it used, and perhaps used personally, to palpable effect. mircea_popescu: bullshit, i can do same thing with shoestring and power of my mind. asciilifeform: ...'
mircea_popescu: i suspect this may be a case of "you may not use that tool here" being taken for "i don't like that tool". it was a domain problem most likely, but do link ?
mircea_popescu: when exactly was i allergic to it ; and for that matter i've been preaching blogging to people for years.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i suspect, was originally allergic to the 'roman numerals' observation for approx same reason as in dope thread
asciilifeform: finally this sinks in, i see.
asciilifeform: because, i suspect, he realized that he was banging head on wall.
mircea_popescu: having a blog* i mean
asciilifeform: largely why i dug in.
asciilifeform: of the 'i want MY WAY, solely because MY shit dun stink, MOVE OVER old system'
mircea_popescu: "I think Free Software and Open Source addicts will get down from their current high and become tremendously frustrated when the obvious problem of having millions of pieces of source code available and they actually can't move in any direction because the ability to make modifications that they have so lauded in the past turn into a very serious problem when much bigger problems require modifications to much larger systems t
asciilifeform: normally. but from the words i began to suspect that we had been to the same mine fields.
asciilifeform: fwiw, i found myself having to examine what n. did, to fully grasp what he said and why.
mircea_popescu: i thought he retreated to cave and wrote own ? oh ?
mircea_popescu: i don't care about the consumer.
mircea_popescu: it is a problem BECAUSE I AM THE BOSS OF YOU ; NOT YOU THE BOSS OF ME.
mircea_popescu: "|I don't see why anyone would insist on a way to do things that does not solves the real problem, but rather solve an ancilliary problem that is a problem only because someone is very stubborn." << the political ineptidude of these people.
asciilifeform: ( a practice i suggest to refer to as 'shremming')
asciilifeform: i have nfi what deal idiot made with which preet to preserve the remaining empty skin husk of his arse.
asciilifeform: i have nfi where it originated.
mircea_popescu: plox to put this on your blog. i gotta hear it
asciilifeform: re: metallurgy, and 'design for manufacturability', i once heard a vintage, scratchy-record recording of old american engineering, if you will, folk song, where some quasiliterate rube is ruthlessly mocked, and chorus was something like 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!'
mircea_popescu: so then there's the two and only two available strategies. the psychopath (the more i lose, the more i send, fuck you) ; and the woman (the more i lose, the less i send, may my children cover the earth).
mircea_popescu: yes i have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will note that there exists no life of the spirit outside of exactly this "i will pick high level abstracrtion and proceed to allign realia to it"
asciilifeform: because everybody 'i'm a genius and will pick the tower back up and insert hard ground under it because i am better than everyone who lived prior' etc.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the 'i will pick high-level abstractions and then, much later, find a low-level set that supports them well' is doomed. and leads to, e.g., urbit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the incomprehensible mists were him, not you. who the hell knows what's in the box of a guy who does such contradictory things as alf pointed out. i wouldn't risk much on the theory we share any mythology, and it's not even directly evident gabriel_laddel actually lives meaningfully related to the human condition.
mircea_popescu: phf this "you already know all knowledge, just, you know, wash" is ridiculous enough, but nowhere the ridiculousness is in starker evidence than in the harem. "so i washed, can i bellydance yet ?" "no, wash more."
asciilifeform: i will even come & eat there.
mircea_popescu: i recall this cca 2014 heh.
phf: mircea_popescu: that point is consistently being driven home. in fact i got to talk lisp to a bunch of random people and had a very visceral experience of the gap. hathayogapradipika says to keep your yoga secret, i.e. don't be a incomprehensible myst. but sometimes i still get carried away. ~some~ people grok me though, even when i start speaking internal experiences.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: we've already discussed this. I'm going to be selling masamune computers + related until the leap can be made from the cee machine to... something else
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I live in silly-con valley. If I - just - wanted to make money I'd be out doing it.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't take it all the way to the cave, i believe that one can tap into shared mythic space which has more to do with human condition than it does with humanless abstract. but for how often i'm misunderstood, i suspect that socratic method is much more effective.
asciilifeform: so i must infer that gabriel_laddel did not 'just want some moneyz' or he would be there, already, shovel in hand.
asciilifeform: presumably you know the address, i do not need to point.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm actually more of jungian
asciilifeform: and i can see them buggers through 10 metres of steel.
asciilifeform: a kitchen with roaches, and kitchen with-roaches but at given instance in time they are behind closed cabinets and i cannot see them, are not the same item, even if 'functionally' the same from particular camera angle.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that it is shared between all designers, it's just that newbs have a very adhoc design space vision, it's better formed with experience
asciilifeform: what i see in his approach is a distinctly 15th c., hygiene-via-parfumery approach.
gabriel_laddel: phf: I just want the fking thing to work and make me some money.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think asciilifeform and gabriel_laddel goals are very similar, combined together they'll produce an easy low complexity (but perhaps less glamorous) design space traversal path. gabriel_laddel doesn't see it, because he thinks that a certain stop on his path is "dirty" or somesuch, so he wants to avoid it altogether
mircea_popescu: phf the fundamental problem here is that you misuse words. "to resolve on the basis of" requires a basis, which is to say, something shared. whether right or wrong - i can resolve quantum physics disputes on the basis of coran suras if need be. yet your thing is "this is cool so should be basis". how cool it is has no bearing on how shared it is, you know ?
asciilifeform: from my brief sojourn with thickasthieves in airplanes, for instance, i learned that he is a fella of considerably lower pressure, it appeared, than his wife.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519202 << it's kind of a pun, i think of systems design as landscape traversal. i think there are frequently paths, as is the case here, that hit multiple design goals and have lower overall complexity, better than a seemingly direct path, that has a hidden high complexity. abstract discussions about ideological goals, that don't take into account design space traversal can be resolved by actual taking ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is a concept, ad-hoc, i refer to as 'pressure', but there is quite likely a better and more specific name for it. e.g., mircea_popescu , walks into a village, and the menfolk line up in one column and the wimminfolk in another, the men - pick up rifles, and wait for order, the chix - get on knees, ready to pleez, etc.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what can i say, if knife won't cut, get new knife, or cut something softer..
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I can assure you that the problem here is not me. 'dated' (for some value of that word) a 35 yr chinese woman who had zero hangups
mircea_popescu: i suspect the subtext there is "you're poor". i've known irani chicks, not exhibited such problems. perhaps their daddy being petrified of me a large factor.
mircea_popescu: i confess not my notion of cowardice.
asciilifeform: and gabriel_laddel if i 'cannot girlfriend because too much work' but the 'work' does not pay even enough to have flea-ridden flat, or post address, i would consider another work...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, he ~is~ doing clim in win95, best as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: trinque> you'll actually get more useful work done if you take time to fix your life. << i support the notion. life's not a sprint but a marathon, and attempting to build anything serious on the very rotten shifty bases here described is not unlike trying to do clim in windows 95.
danielpbarron: unless i lost auth, lemme see
danielpbarron: seems I can't $up someone in private
trinque: gabriel_laddel: y'know I used to do this "fuck everything but work" thing, trying to get somewhere.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519312 << I found one in this channel, here is the logged line preceeding it: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-16#1453037 ☝︎☝︎
gabriel_laddel: I had a girlfriend. was staying at her place when parents were out of town etc
gabriel_laddel: were I fundraising for clim, yes, it would not be via 'crowdfunding' and yes, the numbers would be in the 10ks
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: also, I'm not taking thousands in donations. jackdaniel is being paid several k to work on CLIM ☟︎
asciilifeform: but plox find yer key gabriel_laddel , esp. if you want the old lenovo thing, i'ma only ship to signed post addr.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I authed many times in 2015
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have 3 closed bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, i specifically do not wish for anyone to be able to redefine anything ever.
asciilifeform: i did say 'grow'
asciilifeform: betcha i could find bacterium that only grows in yer shitter, in your kitchen sink.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i chose not to redefine sink as toilet. is that my sink CAN NOT BE so redefined.
asciilifeform: note, i can do it using two or moar x86 boxes.
mircea_popescu: you've just said "i build escherian trestlework around it"
asciilifeform: i pick c !
asciilifeform: unless i let it.
mircea_popescu: for the record, if a system had this sort of "semantic indirection" built in where any fuckwad could "redefine OPEN()" i'd burn it and piss on the ashes.