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BingoBoingo: This isn't the US, latinos travel.
ben_vulpes: amusing, because they handle the intermediation themselves now
BingoBoingo: Amazon only recently came to have an official though limited presence in Argentina
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: can you buy amazon gift cards for cash in uruguay? << I can look. Since people tend to do Amazon through intermediaries here I don't suspect there's much of a market for the gift cards.
Mocky: Lumber? those things must have been shat out of a wood chipper >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829882 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: possibly stupid notion i had last night i'd like to float for your cfo-ly advice: with the exchange rate in the shitter, and the clear and present demand for fiat-denominated assets, how bad of an idea would it be to sell usd-denominated bonds? mod6 and asciilifeform thoughts also pls
mod6 does the head drop
mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!" ☟︎
trinque: she probably twitched away to some red dot, had to go get the food pellet
trinque: thing's meant to train neuroses into the user, and amplifies them. neurotic brain's output is pretty damned annoying.
mircea_popescu: besides, i betcha she's on some droid thing, rather than apple specifically. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but how can they be this good at that ?
hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely. how the fuck is this possible, if they worked at winning a war they'd lose, but when they don't work at sticking in my craw they manage.
asciilifeform: pleeb net pipes are optimized , if for anyffing, for burst throughput , not uptime
mircea_popescu: how is this outcome even possible.
mircea_popescu: ten thousand people managed to coordinate to produce something that's 40% blue and 85% interesting and 62% warm and 92% square and 100.00% FUCKING ANNOYING.
asciilifeform: hey if it were 1994 they'd be logging in from aol and getting modem hangup and betcha similar picture.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but my question is, HOW ? the iphone is not as watertight, not as long-lived, not as bright, colorful, not as ANYTHING as it is fucking annoying.
asciilifeform: it's rather unfortunate, possibly, that the www gate even works on ipnoje
mircea_popescu: somehow some idiots produced "smartphones" for which some other idiots "wrote software" which other idiots are using, and the end delivery is THIS
asciilifeform: logging in from ipnoje ~guarantees this
mircea_popescu: how, just HOW did this entire tower of chair work out to the maximal annoyance point ? absolutely NOTHING the esltards do is nearly this good at any purpose they ever declare.
mircea_popescu: ~at which point~ the whole flood starts. not earlier, or anything.
mircea_popescu: so this is going pretty good so far, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so here's some wonderment for today : random fetlife slut follows a webirc link (doh, what, irc exists ?!?!?!) and ends up here, at 14:58. sits here quietly, and patiently, until at 15:05 i say something. that's SEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. this alone, you know ? and then, puts another FOUR solid minutes in wtfing this thing, so that at 15:09 she can <kiyleeslut> Found it :).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we'll also need a little bit of code to handle it and i guess a special dolly yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like spiffy idea. ( all we'd need, is to restock, currently we're all sold )
mircea_popescu: something like that interesting to nsa ?
mircea_popescu: s.mg would be amenable to a deal whereby s.nsa puts a custom built npc in eulora and handles exchanges of euloran microchips for its own products (atm, fg)
mircea_popescu: kiyleeslut rittle led tab on the right of this one
asciilifeform: i'm partial to the cut where the signing device only needs a few kb of storage. ( no. 1 in mircea_popescu's taxonomy )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "how to cut" piece is the controlling element here, because i don't even recall if we came up wioth a definitive answer.
mircea_popescu: but my point is -- by the time this iron actually signs, this iron actually also manages signatures, and therefore this iron actually is a rsatron.
asciilifeform: ( the latter is quite useless heathen bauble )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 20:27 mircea_popescu: come to think of it, why am i even having "a wallet", as opposed to say a rsa'd privkey list.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829932 << was contemplating 'wallet' in the sense of 'iron which actually signs', rather than mere bottle for keyz that get copied elsewhere to be arithmetized over ☝︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, cheers! and updated with floating image because that screenshot was lousy beyond belief
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm for the historically minded.
asciilifeform: there's no rsa in trb
mircea_popescu: reheheheally ?! look at that damned thing sometime. it's encrypted like i'm gay.
asciilifeform: well, trad bitcoin dun rsa
mircea_popescu: "but mp, that's what you told them to make the wallet, and they did, back in 2012 or w/e"
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, why am i even having "a wallet", as opposed to say a rsa'd privkey list. ☟︎
asciilifeform: '0 opensores legacycrapola in the mix' and so forth.
asciilifeform: errybody already suffers the pile of briefcases. what i'd like is one that does walleting well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but what it needs dun matter; thing is... what do you need ?
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i need is a pile of briefcases, each painted red, and labeled. "this one -- does hashing."
asciilifeform: the only reason is that wallet dun need the same horsepower as 'general' comp, can be 8bit cpu etc
asciilifeform: nothing of any import will ever be 'credit card' form factor, go an audit the whatever-nm chip
mircea_popescu: fg is large enough to make this "hardware wallet" not a credit card.
mircea_popescu: if using proper terminal why is it not rsatron ?
mircea_popescu: am i going to have rng ? how small can it then be ? if not small, and rng, why is it not using a proper terminal ?
mircea_popescu: am i going to have no rng in this wallet ? how make change address then ?
mircea_popescu: problem is my thinking moved away from "hardware wallet" because, honestly, what's needed is a hardware computer.
asciilifeform: i regularly return , on chalkboard, to the subj, but on last visit to it realized that i'm something like a nonviolinist designing violin
mircea_popescu: you know what, thios might've been private discussions in nsa boardroom during early cardano mockups etc ?
mircea_popescu: from ~the same period. but yes, there was some discussion, hm
asciilifeform: that was the closest item i found yea
mircea_popescu: i recall a very early item, i don't expect much value buried there but lessee
asciilifeform: all i found were threads re various sad heathen wallets
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: almost entirely unrelatedly, didja ever have a 'iron wallets spec' article ? asciilifeform had a notion that there was one, and dug in the l0gz, found ~0
asciilifeform: 'note: this pistol is in firing-backwards mode'
asciilifeform: ( iirc! asciilifeform prolly oughta reread his orig coad, actually been wrong before re the mechanisms ! )
asciilifeform: arguably this kind of thing doesn't belong at all in a production vtron, it is uncomfortably close to the proverbial 'null cipher flag'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( why? because asciilifeform doesn't like to crypto in any form, even as toy, on boxes without rng, and some of his trb dev machines at the time had none )
asciilifeform: it was possible even in orig v, asciilifeform's orig v99 even had a sadmode flag to trigger it
mircea_popescu: point being, "blind" v could exist that just puts in the patches as seen in manifest, checks no sigs.
asciilifeform: not really analogues, afaik in the contemplated new v you still need the history, to press
mircea_popescu: or w/e they called the pseudonodes, i forget.
mircea_popescu: basically, we just introduced the possibility of "light nodes" :D
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 trinque: could say we want trb to be exemplar of "how to V", in which case yeah, regrind it all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829715 << nah, trb is the bulkiest and most dangerous item on the table, it utterly can't be the exemplar at this early stage. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 17:45 phf: trinque: one reason i didn't include patch name in the manifest is because patch name becomes a promise, unless you enforce it by tooling. i didn't want to go that way, but since current standard manifest does include patch name, than perhaps V ought to check the manifest against the patchset. relatedly fully manifest-based v doesn't even need graph tooling, can presumably press according to manifest's chain.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829714 << this is a significant gain, in that it reduces the need for elaborate toposorting. first, check the manifest chain. ☝︎
diana_coman: ahaha, that doesn't even sound *that* bad
asciilifeform: it oughta ask player for a magic # , and detonate after 5 unsuccessful tries
diana_coman: aha, I guess now I have to post a screenshot with alf-dedication :P
mircea_popescu: not even kidding (and only took like 3+years to find)
mircea_popescu: in other events : a new resource type just got discovered in eulora
trinque: I brought up the graffiti because that'd be (and has historically been, before manifest) the way to attach the graph
trinque: wont be able to press a "makefiles" + manifest until that subsequent patch, but I don't really see a problem with that
mircea_popescu: and gives a cheap "experimental tree" device.
ben_vulpes: add a new file for the manifest, create a vpatch, any subsequent vpatches that don't also edit manifest must be reground into mainline.
mircea_popescu: through usage, basically. you see a problem with that ?
trinque: I was discussing how the manifest gets welded on, if welding on
trinque: anyhow, if we're talking about how to use the manifest, got it.
ben_vulpes: right that
trinque: what's it look like in the patch file
ben_vulpes: reference the manifest file in a later patch.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's answer , was , 'if the N is big enuff to be problem, yer civilization is due for a reformat' )
asciilifeform: aha, recall the 'omfg flow graph is O(N^2)' thread
mircea_popescu: trinque which is why the regrind mechanism even exists
asciilifeform: this worx; and when in 500yrs the republic schisms into west rome and east derpinople , they can have parallel manifests, etc, lol
trinque: eh that accretion of patch material means patch size/readability is inversely proportional to modularity of the code
mircea_popescu: this is the core of V, yes ?
mircea_popescu: but if you do not include it, it's not there.
mircea_popescu: if you find the manifest patrch is useful (as you do), YOU INCLUDE IT.
mircea_popescu: 2. you sign another new patch, later on, "fixing-bugzappers.patch". this patch references manifest patch and ircbot-multichan-etc.
mircea_popescu: 1. you sign a new patch, manifest.patch. at this juncture, phf's viewer will show it to the side, unconnected to the tree.